Well, E3 has gone for another year, and it was very much a continuation of the norm. The various press conferences and presentations were the usual mix of exciting games, impressive showcases and some PR bluster. I thought there were some solid efforts from third-parties, with Ubisoft being particularly pleasing for those that lean towards Nintendo, though no-one seemed to 'win' or truly hit their marks. EA was its usual self, frankly, Bethesda was limited in what it could show, Xbox 'won' on social media with the shiny new Xbox One X but was also accused of an unconvincing pitch for the hardware, and Sony did little wrong but struggled to blow anyone's socks off. There was a lot of competence on show, with relatively few hair-raising moments (from my perspective, at least).
I think that judgement applies to Nintendo, too, though I am pleased to see that a large proportion of Nintendo Life's voting community appreciated the big N's efforts. I think by most standards Nintendo had a reasonably strong show, as it showcased big hits for this year (in particular Super Mario Odyssey) while throwing in surprises of various sizes. It sums up E3 nicely that a highlight, and one of Nintendo's best performers on social media, was Metroid Prime 4. We only had a logo, but it was a rare instance of Nintendo playing the same game that rivals have for years - tap into fan demand, and if you have a distant project they want to know about then make the announcement even if there's nothing real to show. It was a moment that certainly gave me goosebumps, as it had been top of my Switch wishlist since the system was announced; hopefully the game will be shown off and playable at next year's show if not before.
Focusing on the positives, Nintendo found a decent balance between promoting the planned big-hitters of the Switch - with the Spotlight being the main vehicle for that - while also unveiling quite a lot of content for the 3DS. The Treehouse team, as always, showed terrific enthusiasm and knowledge, and it felt like a reward for diehard Nintendo E3 followers when Metroid: Samus Returns was unveiled by the localisation team. The 3DS certainly came out of E3 in a much healthier place, with that 2D Metroid along with Pokémon (which was announced before E3) and others set to give it some high profile arrivals as 2017 progresses.
It was a good call, too, to push hard with Super Mario Odyssey, and the live demonstrations stayed relatively fresh in the first two days before demo areas started to loop a little on day three. That stylish Spotlight trailer, the booth design and the focus on that game worked well for the big N, with major non-specialist news outlets (or 'mainstream media' for fans of such terms) happily taking the Mario angle and running with it. Nintendo is leveraging the brand pretty effectively right now, and most importantly the game looks fabulous. I'll be interested to see how well the experience 'flows' in the full release, but conceptually and creatively it does look like top-notch Mario fare.
There were plenty of games shown, of course, with our first extended looks at titles like Xenoblade Chronicles 2, while Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle couldn't have hoped for a better reception, helped by the evident quality and creativity that Ubisoft's teams have brought together. Then we had Invitational events, all focused on three games that Nintendo is pitching as multiplayer / social competitive summer hits. Splatoon 2 arguably had the best event courtesy of the fact there were four high-class teams competing.
I felt the events for Pokkén Tournament DX and ARMS weren't particularly strong showcases, mainly because the standard of play wasn't good enough. What lures viewers to eSports, it seems to me, is seeing skilful players stretch games to their limits, playing in ways to which others can aspire. Both Pokkén and ARMS relied on a mix of YouTube / Twitch streamers, 'pro' gamers that had no idea how to play the game in question (with the ARMS event) and some members of the public. Watching players stumble around isn't particularly fun, and both those events only sparked into life when a few of the better players met or when the game producers took on the winners to show them how it's really done. That would be my key point for Nintendo with these events - follow the Splatoon 2 formula and bring together the strongest players to compete, as that shows the games at their very best.
There are lots of positives there, but I do think Nintendo had a few mis-steps. For starters day two had both the ARMS and Pokkén Invitationals, which took up large chunks of time with questionable quality. Day three was then mostly repeated demos that then ended a couple of hours earlier than normal, with the nice bonus of ARMS update information softening the blow. Day one seemed like it hit most of its marks and was downright thrilling at times, but day two lost a little steam before we had a slightly underwhelming last day.
Nintendo also left a lot of threads dangling, with follow-up interviews by the likes of Reggie Fils-Aime giving few reassuring answers. A number of Switch topics are still on the table - Virtual Console, the online service, details on the voice chat / lobby app expected with Splatoon 2, streaming apps such as Netflix etc, HOME Themes, UI updates; all were posted missing. Not all of those were ever likely to be covered, but Nintendo could have thrown more enthusiastic and devoted followers a bone or two in these areas.
That said, that's likely all deliberate in terms of Nintendo's strategy. E3 was used to push a few core messages at the wider public through social media and conventional media buzz - Mario, Metroid, major Switch games, the 3DS is still alive. Those smaller issues that matter to the likes of me can be covered later through Nintendo Directs and info drops. There's already the expectation of a pre-Splatoon 2 Direct, which could cover a couple of key areas, and Nintendo will now doubt have a number of online streams and events over the rest of 2017. So even accounting for disappointment at the relatively narrow focus of E3, there's the consolation that Nintendo communicates in various other ways, too.
Overall, then, I think a potential grade for Nintendo at E3 could be a B or B+. It built hype for Mario and some other Switch / 3DS games out this year, while also causing a stir with announcements for the more distant future (such as Pokémon, Yoshi, Kirby and Metroid Prime 4 on Switch). As a Switch and 3DS gamer I came out of the week feeling pretty pleased about what's to come, especially with the ongoing temptation of some key 3DS titles (I expect a solid Switch line-up this early in its life, frankly). Yet even accounting for Nintendo's desire to preserve a number of details and reveals for Directs, I still felt it stretched its content a little too thin when one or two more areas of interest would have made the week even better.
All told, though, Nintendo delivered a solid E3. That was arguably the minimum of what was expected due to how young the Switch is in the market, though Nintendo gave welcome life to the 3DS too. Besides, all of those missing details should hopefully mean that there are more Directs and enjoyable online occasions to come in the next six months.
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Yeah. It wasn't perfect. But you know what, I like the fact that Nintendo doesn't hedge all its bets on one time of the year. I'm sure there are some other biggies they are choosing to reveal at other times and for me, at least, its nice to have surprises here and there throughout the year rather than June. E3 is still a decent follow. But its also a bit outdated in its approach.
By the way (and I apologize if it were already addressed here ), we've seem to have gotten our answer about Hey Pikmin! and Pikmin 4. Straight from the horses mouth, no less.
My only complaint from the Nintendo conference (or the main event and not the Treehouse) is that it could've been longer, probably 5 or 10 more minutes for one more surprise or more third party games would've been appreciated, but other than that, Nintendo at E3 this year is the equivalent of Nintendo at E3 2010: it's high quality stuff
I find it funny how people were whining for Metroid and Pokemon on the Switch, and now some people are whining that the games were announced without any footage of the games themselves. People are impossible to please.
I thought it was a great E3 overall. I personally would have liked to see Animal Crossing, but I assume we'll get an announcement for that later when they announce their Animal Crossing mobile game.
It was the first time watching a little bit of the e3. I only watched the pre e3 stuff but it was still good and worth it. Will definitely do it again next year.
Still id like to see live stuff from nintendo in the openings. That miyamoto and Yves moment was pretty cool and awkward. The live presentations just had a much better feel to them. It was kinda big and epic. I mean nintendo had enough stuff to show.
I'd score Nintendo's E3 a C-, possibly a D as it was just about passable.
They mostly showed off stuff we already knew about. 2 of the Switch games announced are years away and had no footage. Mario + Rabbids Battle Kingdom was good as was Yoshi but that was pretty much it I think as far as Switch is concerned. Nintendo are once again screwed where 3rd party support is concerned. Oh ya, it's also getting a 2 year old port of Rocket League that the developers can't be bothered to get running at 1080p when docked.
We're still none the wiser about Virtual Console, apps, a browser, firmware updates, etc.
After last year's dismal E3. Not just Ninty, but everyone, i decided to not even bother this year.
To me, it was Nintendo wins by doing absolutely nothing.
An average E3 presentation with Metroid gives it a slight edge over all the other decidedly average E3 presentations.
Overall, I'd honestly say E3 2017 was pretty ho-hum. Nobody had any real major announcements and while the main conferences all showed lots of footage, few games were new or particularly impressive looking.
I'd say Nintendo's picking up steam at the point where MS and Sony are getting over the mid-life hump.
@Proust Fixed it for ya.
I've always found the concept of someone 'winning' E3 bizarre, it's all so subjective that anyone and everyone can win and lose depending who you ask. Why does someone have to 'win' it anyway? Do they get a prize?
I thoroughly enjoyed Nintendo's showing this year. Mario+Rabbids looks great, the new Yoshi game looks more amazing the more I watch it, all the Metroid coverage tickled my itch (especially with Samus Returns coming in Sept), and Mario Odyssey looks way better than I ever could have imagined. And that theme tune on the trailer.... I can't get it out of my head!
Ubisoft won E3, but I think all the publishers had something to offer. Skyrim VR and DooM VR should do OK, mario rabbids will sell very well I think.. MH world's, what a great announcement, the more i look at it the better it gets. I could go on and on but yeah, Game of E3 was MH World's and Ubisoft publisher of E3 2017
I thought it was alright. If Nintendo hadn't revealed so many Switch games in January, had a small bit of gameplay for Metroid Prime 4, and had Superstar Saga 3DS release this week, their E3 could have been great. However, most of their reveals are coming out next year, so I'm worried about if they'll have any surprises during late 2017 / early 2018 Directs.
Yeah there weren't any new announcements that tickled my fancy, but I can't deny that they showed some great games and the footage from treehouse really gave me a sense of what the games are about, something that can't usually be done in a short trailer. So a solid E3; could be better, but it almost always can.
But man everytime I see Prime 4 I just see Pikmin 4!
@GravyThief Everyone seems to forget about the new Kirby game because of Yoshi... They both look superb in my opinion.
For me, B is about right given the things that are missing. But, I do have more confidence that those things will be coming down the line than I had before. It just feels like there's more momentum, more understanding and fewer mediocre offerings.
I don't count extensive third party AAA support in the above. Not in the near future, at any rate. I think there's appropriate content coming - Rocket League, Fifa, but Overwatch etc doesn't seem realistic, however much I try to make it so. Perhaps down the line, never say never, just not right now.
@KirbyTheVampire Imagine actually wanting to see footage of Metroid Prime 4 and the Pokemon RPG(though personally I couldn't care less)? Why, why would we possibly want to see them at a games show?
Quality over quantity was a good way to go. We got two Metroid announcements, a release date for Super Mario Odyssey, and more info on Xenoblade 2. Plus an announcement of more games in development, which will get some imaginations swirling (but hopefully not too crazy). All in all it was a good E3.
@NintySnesMan In terms of new games shown, ya probably Monster Hunter Worlds. But overall game, Super Mario Odyssey has something to say about that.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Hey, if you have read my posts before, you will know I can't stand platformers, so for me mario hasn't anything to say, that's not to say it won't sell loads because it will. For me personally the mario Kirby and Yoshi games could go jump of a cliff with a bunch of lemmings, xeno and mario rabbids were the best of Ninty and that last one is OK cause I like strategy games, just a shame it has mario in it
I really thought people would wet their pants. I was always reading how everyone wanted a Metroid, and we'll get 2 Metroids..
Well, I think Nintendo gave people what they wanted. I couldn't expect more..
I find the title "Nintnedo Went it's Own Way" a bit funny b/c Ntineod seemed to me to do the same thing the other big companies do - mostly show games that will be out in 2018 or beyond. (Yes, that's a feeble attempt at a BG&E2 pun.) Kirby, Yoshi, MP4 and Pokemon on Switch are all 2018 if not later. I'm pretty sure the Pokemon game guy said "a year or more".
Ubi showed a new game - Mario + Rabbids - that is out in 2 months, a game scheduled for next year in that toy spaceship game, and BG&E2, which we first saw in 2008, so who knows what's up with that. Variety, a little of everything. And a Wii and Wii U game. How many Wii U games did Ntineod show? A lot of us are still playing on our Wii U as Nitneod attempts to sell us $19.99 Expansion Passes for Zelda BotW.
So how many more E3 articles before we get to move on? I've decided Ntinedo had a good enough E3 w/ Splatoon 2, ARMS, Pokken, Mario and XC2 that games aren't the issue, stock is. Some people are probably still looking for NES Mini b/c they dont' read game blogs and don't know it was a holiday item only. Nice of Nintneod to tell us that 5 months after the fact. Switch is not really in stock out there anywhere. They have done a very good job marketing it, but not a very good job making it. If they dont' have enough on store shelves when Mario releases - and that might be difficult w/ people buying them for Spaltoon 2 - maybe people just buy a cheaper PS4 Slim or Xbox 1S instead, both of them will probably be $199 BF, $100 cheaper than Switch, as Sony and MS try to move PS4 Pro and Xbox 1 X.
So Nitneod has the games, the mojo and the marketing, but do they have the stock? Parents can't wait until Christmas Eve to buy their kids a gift, so if they can't find a Switch, they can't buy a Switch. Who knows, maybe an iPad instead.
E3's over, time for Nintendo to get their product on the shelves before people start remembering all of those wasted hours looking for an NES Mini and give up the hunt early. Forward.
What a time to be alive...
... even without "F-Zero", but still...
I'd say a B is a good overall score for MS, Sony, and Nintendo combined. A few surprises, a few disappointments, and a few things we were expecting. Solid all around.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I'm gonna stand up for Rocket League devs on this one, because the game certainly does not maintain a solid framerate at 1080 on PS4 or Xbox, so the fact that they got it running on what would be considered PS3/360 console tech is good enough for me to see they've put some effort into it.
I felt that Nintendo had a strong E3, though I can't really comment on the esport exhibitions since I haven't watched them. I keep meaning to catch up on the Pokken Tournament coverage, but I have little interest in the Splatoon 2 and ARMS showcases.
I was quite impressed with the Nintendo Spotlight, and the Treehouse coverage that I've watched was, overall, quite solid.
I thought it was good. I enjoyed everything, especially the Pokken tourney (though I wish they had more people who played the game before enter). I know some people are upset they didn't show Prime 4 or Pokemon, but if I remember correctly Reggie said that the only reason they revealed Prime 4 was because the fanbase was waiting for it. And I think Pokemon was only revealed due to the fact people were upset at the direct from the week before cause I'm pretty sure if they were ready to show it then it would've been in the direct.
Not much left for the 3ds that I'm interested in, but at least I got a reason to get a switch soon.
Nintendo crushed E3 and it saddens me that a few dopey nintendo youtubers bashed them for a few extra clicks.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE yeah your right. They should spend e3 talking about Netflix Hulu and games from the 80's 🙃
What I learned from E3 is that the Switch will have very little third party support. I was really expecting to hear about some amazing third party titles instead of just ports and one collaboration. I do think the Switch will be more successful than the Wii U by far still. Although it is hilarious since it appears to be the Wii U all over again, but with better first party games and portability. I guess that was the lacking ingredients for the Wii U to be successful.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE They didn't show the games because there's no footage to be shown. It's better they let everyone know that the games exist to set people's minds at ease, and then show footage when the games are actually ready to be shown.
It was a solid presentation, but the third day of the Treehouse should have been focused on Nindies and the third parties games - FIFA, Skyrim, etc. - to shown that while Nintendo's first party is on point, they are also working on fixing relationship with the third parties. It was bit disappointing in that way.
Plus, the lack of announcements for VC and updates for the OS, along the lack of definitive release dates for the Fall-Winter games makes me think "Great, but not amazing". This E3 was a bit underwhelming on all fronts.
@NintySnesMan seems to be a Nintendo fan except, ya know, their mascot and biggest character if Mario "jumped off a cliff", as you say, there goes Nintendo with it since that's their biggest cash cow. Also, denying something as the biggest announcement of the show... you know that statement implies what objectively pleases the most people as opposed to what you subjectively are most excited for. You may not like Mario but that doesn't change whether it was one of the top reveals of the show this year.
It wasn't a perfect show, but I feel they did a pretty good job. They built anticipation for the releases we already know about while showing off a couple new ones, and dropping hints about major games to come in the future. Looking at the Switch's library for the rest of the year, it's reassuring to see that Nintendo is publishing at least one major game every month. That's pretty impressive, especially when you consider how tremendously and horribly sparse the release schedule was for the Wii U in its first year. As long as they can keep the games coming, the system will continue to sell, which in turn will lend itself to more games. We're already off to a pretty good start and light years ahead of last generation.
@rjejr is the Switch really that hard to find around there? They're quite easy to find on shelves here now, didn't realize I could buy them up and make a goldmine...
Overall I honestly felt Nintendo's E3 was a bit disappointing despite having low expectations, but it seems few agreed with me. I mean I feel there's definitely a lot of good games coming but it mostly felt like just trying to hype already known games over announcing new ones. MP4 was an exception but between it being just a title screen and that being about it... I mean yeah, we got Yoshi but I meh, it's not bad it's just not a big deal, nothing revolutionary there, and we already knew some Kirby game was coming from a previous direct. More so I feel Switch needs more "features" announced - video streaming services may not sound exciting for E3 but that was a big seller for Wii, and having it on a hybrid platform could be huge for the public. Virtual Console and a bit more meat for the eShop (it's simple but already needs more browsing options) are both in need of announcements. More details on the smartphone app for online gaming would've been nice, more ways to customize the system (themes, new avatars, etc)... yes these seem like trivial things for E3 but they could've announced such things in a few minutes, wouldn't have really stretched the presentation. And a few trailers for some big surprise games would've really been something, like at the end of the presentation just one last surprise announcement trailer that makes the crowd go wild, it makes me assume that we know all the big games coming within the next year or so and not one of them is a surprise. Last year's E3 was alright but it's main flaw was that their big draw was a previously announced game and they just repeated that with Odyssey. Overall... I suppose it wasn't a BAD E3 but it wasn't great and Switch needs great if they want the momentum to continue. :-/
Which trailer was #1 on trending for three days of E3 this week?
So ya, I'd say Nintendo did a good job.
E3 for Sony/Microsoft/EA=Anthem will be a good game in 1-2 years! 😄
Nintendo=Look at these games that will be coming within 6 months! Also, here's a sneak peak at 2018! 😎
Nintendo has the high quality games. Everyone else has the title you sell every year to buy # whatever of the new year because "all your friends are playing it".
Best e3 in years. I don't care what anyone says.
Super Mario Odyssey, Metroid Prime 4, Metroid Samus Returns, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Pokémon on console (people been wanting that as long as Pokémon has been a thing, and I will finally commit to playing one through), Monster Hunter Worlds and a Shadow of the Colossus remake... ya. That's what you call a dope e3. And let's not forget Skyrim in VR (it's also rad that it's going to be portable on Switch).
And gosh dang, that Mario Kingdom Battle looks insane! Even Xbox gamers at my work were asking me about it. Which is crazy, cause I would never have expected that game to catch the attention of non-Nintendo gamers. In fact, the guy finally said "I may have to get a Switch" once I told him Pokémon was coming too. Oh, and another coworker is buying one now because of Rocket League. Told me to let him know if/when Rocket League was announced, and he'd buy one. Well.... I told him. And he was like yup, I'm getting one this year. Probably in the fall before the game releases.
I enjoyed it myself mainly because of the excellent footage of Super Mario Odyssey. That game was the highlight of the direct because even though Prime 4 was announced I can't get excited about a game that is likely years away from release. Samus Returns is much more exciting to me because I will actually be playing it this year, and it even comes out a day before my Birthday! Overall it was a solid showing and I feel like Mario and Rabbids Kingdom Battle is going to be a bit of a sleeper hit, that game looks like pure fun.
@JaxonH Yeah E3 as a whole was excellent this year as there are SO many games worth getting excited about! I am not too big into the Assassin's Creed series but even I can't help but be amazed by the potential of Origins, it just looks great. Between Nintendo's and Microsoft's E3 events it is clear that I will have far more quality games than I could ever hope to play this year. This E3 was a big win for gamers.
I like how Nintendo focuses on what's coming now instead of 2 years away. I don't like feeling like waiting forever for a game. Yes, I want a metroid. I'm happier about 3ds metroid over prime 4. I do not care to see any more about prime 4 until it's ready to play. With my PS4, there were games at last year e3 that still are not out. And same for games this year vs next. It here is Nintendo with a full slate of games for both consoles over next couple months. And my PS4 will be pretty dusty by the time any of the games I want come out for it.
@Donutman
It's always a rotation. I don't play much of anything anymore aside from Switch, but PS4 is still a console you gotta own for those rare gems it gets from time to time. Like Persona 5. And the next one will be Monster Hunter World and Shadow of the Colossus. 3DS doesn't get much play anymore, but it's still something you gotta own cause, well, just look at Metroid Samus Returns.
Basically, my other consoles aren't used a whole lot, but they're there for when I need em. And I'm most definitely gonna be needing 3DS for Metroid and PS4/X1 for Monster Hunter.
@Dpishere
Ya, I forgot Ori and the Will of the Wisps. The first one was a masterpiece, and I already know this new one will be every bit as good. Wasn't much else that stood out for me from MS, but I will be upgrading my X1 to an X1X this year. I'm not expecting games to run much better than the Pro just cause they probably won't wanna put in the extra effort (MS will, 3rd parties are doubtful), but that's ok. It'll still be the platform to own for multiplat titles.
@ShadJV
It may have been a top reveal for most Ninty fans but not this one, having said that the only game I like with the mario brand is Mario Kart, that's it. Ninty have other games I prefer like xeno, zelda, Pikmin, luigi mansion, Advance wars and a few more. I don't think for one minute if Ninty stopped making games with mario it would be the end of fthem, they have many great franchises, also mario might be a Ninty mascot but he certainly isn't my mascot. I ain't denying it wasn't a good reveal only it ain't for me, also it wasn't a new reveal, it was old news and like I said in a comment earlier MH world's won the show for me personally, many ppl will have had their fave game of the show and mario was probably one of them, depending on the ppl I guess there was many winners but most of all the gamers were the true winners especially those that own multiple hardware, I myself have a Sony+Ninty Combo
My comments about E3 2017:
Nintendo => YAY.... !!! B+
Sony => Blah... F
Microsoft => xbox one x ?! Yawn.... E
It seems a lot of fans are just impossible to satisfy. Nintendo had a pretty good e3, they deserve at theveryleast a b- or b.
I thought it was a pretty good time. Kirby and Yoshi look great, getting pumped for Xenoblade 2 and Fire Emblem Warriors, and Mario Odyssey is looking amazing. I'm not into Metroid in the slightest but I'm glad Nintendo is finally catering to that fanbase. My only disappointment was that there wasn't any surprise release after the show.
@faint Did I say that? No. But they could have mentioned it at some point over the 3 days.
@Alikan Did you not see the MP4 announcement? That's at least 2 years away. The same is probably true of the Pokemon RPG. Both games had no footage whatsoever.
@JohnBlackstar What 3rd party game were you hoping for that would not count as a port?
@SLIGEACH_EIRE this may be so, but Splatoon 2, Sonic Mania, Super Mario Odyssey, Sonic Forces, and Stardew Valley are all coming to Switch this year. That's a year to look forward to to me.
Ah yes, two Metroid games and it's just a minimal E3.
Never change, guys.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE you mentioned apps and vc in the comment I addressed so ya you did
My only thing with Nintendos' E3 was that I expected a 3rd party sizzle reel of games coming to the system, yes I include call of duty in that. It may just be my own perception of how Nintendo marketed the system. I would like to make it clear I've wanted this selfishly every E3 since the Gamecube days, so I totally accept that this is me and not Nintendos' fault because to fair they always deliver with first party content. After nearly 10 years of waiting for a true installment of the metroid series they have delivered and I am thankful for that. I just wish Nintendo would rule the roost like they did with snes, again that's fanciful thinking and I love Nintendo till the end
@Embassy Anything along the lines of Persona, Nioh, Yakuza, Nier Automata, or Cuphead. I'm not even saying I want those games on Switch, but for a studio to care enough about Switch to provide an exclusive experience on Switch with an established or new IP and not just ports and collaborations. All the third parties seem to be scared of the Nintendo curse where only Nintendo makes money on their consoles (except for Monster Hunter and Pokemon).
@Captain_Gonru
Yeah, I'm trying to get a Switch myself. And I bet that only a small number actually end up directly in the hands of consumers, most end up in the hands of filthy SCALPERS who re-sell them for hundreds, perhaps even thousands, of dollars!
@Captain_Gonru no, they are scalper prices, the goldmine comment was a joke, I'd never actually do that, it's taking advantage of people pretty badly. I preordered two before it came out because I was worried my preorder would be canceled (happened to me with Wii) and when they didn't I found someone to sell it to... for retail price. Figured if I canceled my preorder a scalper would likely just get a hold of it and it wasn't much work to resell it for... crap, how much after tax? $270? Been a few months, but it was sold to a friend's fiancé, actually even had a waiting list because multiple people responded to my FB post. Point is, I'm not about scalping, though idk if I really have the resources to buy the units in my local stores for people, I just figured since I see them in the stores here all the time that they supply already caught up to demand. :-/
@rjejr The NES Classic being discontinued was covered on practically every major news outlet (at least here in the states). You'd have to be living under a rock to not know Its discontinued
It was a good E3 for me, I would be more upset if they spent time talking about apps like Netflix on Switch than games for the console. They can save announcements like that for PR releases on a random Tuesday for all I care. Yeah, some of the games they announced (and showed) are a ways out, but Switch is new. If you're expecting everything year one, I don't know what to tell you because that is not the goal for any console on the market (and it shouldn't be).
@LegendOfPokemon This is actually not accurate. In fact, Nintendo is scored most highest for actually delivering what they say pretty consistently =. Zelda not withstanding.
I think the "problem" with E3/Nintendo is that Nintendo is sticking to the Program.
Late last year, the Head of NoJ pretty much said very plainly that Nintendo wasn't interested in re-releasing old stuff ala "Virtual Console" and would prefer those games to be remastered with modern features, etc.
Then we see ACA's stuff, pretty much being that thing. People still clamor for the VC. Ok...E3 comes, message not changed.
With a little press prying, the obvious answer is expanded upon - We don't want it to be used against us like it always is (this time) so "we'll see."
Same thing with the much-grief-causing "Voice Chat" - made it clear this was gonna be outlined around Splatoon 2 Launch.
e3 comes - again, not talking about it yet.
A bit of press prying, Reg goes "look...we are doing what we said we would when we did. And HORI is not Nintendo. They are a licensee."
Even the Pokemon and Metroid thing. Nintendo, believe me, would have rather announced that next year...but nooooo
Et Cetera.
Let them run their race. Media Create makes it clear, every week since they released the thing, they are doing something that is working.
Let's see what else they can show us. They already know what they are gonna do
I enjoyed it, though nothing really blew me away or surprised me. It just reinforced my interest in games I've already pre-ordered.
A Virtual Console nod would have gone a long way with me.
@Captain_Gonru I'd have to check if the Switch specifically says it anywhere but I believe most products in the US say "not for resale" which would make scalping them at the very least in a legal gray area (scampers are hard to catch and prosecute though it's like trying to catch every music pirate). You're making money off of someone's product without their permission, it's not the same as retailers the company has agreements with. Though morally it's generally considered bad, people will make an argument to support whatever benefits them. Otherwise, if there's no resale disclaimer... well a quick search says there's no federal law against it but local laws vary, which make it hard to prosecute online sellers.
It saddens me that people think it's okay to take advantage of other people (for example a parent who's young child wants only that thing for Christmas and either the child is let down or the parents pay out the nose for something not intended to cost that much), but I guess it's the world we live in.
@KirbyTheVampire after the way pokemon was announced i think an animal crossing IS already in the works but they won't announce it til early 2018, probably as a late 2018 release. To be honest I am ok with that since unlike pokemon where we had been given reasons to believe one wasn't being worked on, there is no way they won't release ac for switch.
Now I am just going to enjoy the ride; I was surprised to read that people were disspointed in Nintendo's e3 though I admit I didn't watch much of the treehouse stuff.... we basically have one amazing Nintendo Switch title per month for the rest of the year, all of which I can't wait to play. I am interested to see if they can maintain this level of quality into 2018.
My only disappointment was the lack of focus on the actual switch os. I really think they don't appreciate the importance of the os for social elements of gaming. The lack of achievements for so long shows this imho. Hopefully Ninty will see the light one day and put as much love into their os as they do their games.
Edit: after reading more of the comments i think I get why people ar complaining. I ask this, Remember back to 2016 e3? Did we have a clue about mario, splatoon, arms, raving rabbits, pokken switch, hell i don't think the switch was even announced yet! And yet most of these complaints are about us not knowing what will be coming out in over a year! So really the complaints are that Nintendo has been too good with informing about what games will be out this year and thus people want more info about games from next year, even though the devs are still working on it and have nothing to show.
Overall Nintendo's E3 was excellent for me. My only gripe? A distinct lack of Nindies! Sure we got an announcement for Rocket League, but I would have loved to hear Reggie say that Switch will be getting the likes of Inside, Undertale and The Witness, too.
I'm concerned about the lack of third party support. Nintendo's first party games, great though they often are, aren't enough to support an entire platform. (as the Wii U proved)
We got Rabbids from Ubi and... well, that's pretty much it. Nothing from Square, Konami, Activision, EA, Platinum, or Capcom (outside of a port of an old 3DS Monster Hunter game for Japan). It just isn't enough.
Imagine if Capcom had brought their A game, and delivered some new IPs? Something creative and unique, along the lines of Okami, Viewtiful Joe, or Zak and Wiki. Or if Konami had a new Castlevania game, or Square a new Final Fantasy Tactics or Chrono Trigger.
@faint No. You said, "They should spend e3 talking about Netflix Hulu and games from the 80's", as if that's all they should do at E3.
Every year, its the same ole hullabaloo. People believe every little goofy industry rumor that pops up, don't take things with a grain of salt, build gigantic, world breaking expectations-- only to get them horrifically destroyed when E3 roles around.
Nintendo DID surprise me with TWO metroid announcements. I figured Retro was working on "Donkey Kong: White Hot disappointment" or something like that. Because that tends to be what happens when people hear Retro is working with nintendo again... and bam its not Metroid.
That being stated, the rest of it was pretty much how I expected it. Nintendo doesn't have to bring big guns to E3 anymore, they only like to focus on what is coming out within the same year or within x amount of months of e3. Quite frankly-- its a good strategy.
So many times, Sony and Microsoft announce something that has no realistic release date, is YEARS away from completion, only to cancel it or-- in the case of Last Guardian, spend waaaay too long finally getting it finished. The very nature of E3 has changed a bit, many companies are choosing to reveal their stuff at other outlets or go the way of Nintendo and have your very own reveals every so many months.
I think one of the best things for gaming culture would be to continue and further ourselves from hype culture, particularly E3 promises and expectation.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE You really can't manage to muster a minimum of objectivity can you? C- or D ? You must be trolling. It was a solid E3 for nintendo, and 3rd party support is coming, the more companies realise they can do well with games like mario+rabbids the more they'll support the Switch. But i fear I'm actually just feeding...
Ironically the best of Nintendo at E3 was Miyamoto showing up at Ubisoft's show.
It was the best E3 for me since the Gamecube era when games like Rogue Squadron and Wave Race were shown. If Metroid Prime 4 wasn't enough, then Metroid Samus Returns was the sealer. It's only 15 years waiting for another 2D game and this is not only out in 3 months, it looks brilliant. While I'd love to have seen an F-Zero shown, or another Rogue Squadron with missions from the recent movies, one can't be selfish.
Nintendo won E3 even before they presented
E3 will continue to get less exciting for a number of reasons. A big one is the fact that it simply isn't as important now. Every developer and publisher can get their info to consumers at just about any time. Imagine every direct since last E3, Twitter update, and YouTube trailer came out at once at E3. Things don't work that way anymore and as dev cycles get longer there will be less chances to show big surprises that aren't so far out as to be irrelevant.
@Captain_Gonru You have a Switch now right? You still looking at stock, just for me, that's so sweet. (I just woke up, we'll I'm half awake, so that may sound unintendedly weirder than I wanted it to, it's just supposed to be funny.)
Now I think I need to go defend myself from ruffians.
I feel that the games that were shown and the flow of the Spotlight would have worked better as a stage event. Open with METROID on 3DS and then close with 'one more thing;' the logo drop for PRIME4. The screams and applause would have added a lot.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE actually I said it as if that was a stupid place to talk about it.
@ShadJV I typed eBay into Google and found this Switch page for ya.
http://www.ebay.com/rpp/nintendo-switch
The problem with eBay is even if they out lawed reselling new products people would just buy them, open them, and sell them as used "like new, never used". No law could stop that.
Top 2 listing on the eBay Switch page are new and used.
https://www.ebay.com/p/Nintendo-Switch-32GB-Gray-Console-with-Gray-Joy-Con/232876898
Expectations are everything. I had low expectations so E3 seemed pretty good.
Nothing wowed me (was always going to get Odyssey) and some of Reggie and Dougs comments irked me but overall I enjoyed the Nintendo offerings.
I think it was a decent e3 not amazing but decent. Definitely above passable lol so yeah a b- is probably fine. I thought Nintendo had some great surprises with metroid 3DS and the reveal that they are making metroid prime and Pokémon for switch. The new Kirby game looks fun and Japan will eat that Yoshi game up too lol. Mario looks absolutely fantastic as expected and it was nice to see rocket league is coming to switch too. The announcement that Nintendo are supporting cross play was actually a biggie for me (annoyed with sony about this) let's hope we see more games on switch that support it!
Sony had some nice games too, like many others I thought shadow of the Colossus looks awesome! But there was a heck of a lot of stuff already announced.
Not gonna lie I haven't watched xbox's stream because they just haven't had any exclusives I actually want for a long time. But if there were any announcements anyone recommends let me know.
The biggest YAY...wut?! Moment for me was beyond good and evil 2. I absolutely adored the first game and literally played the crap out of it. So from what I have seen so far I didn't like at all :/. Let's hope the gameplay is better and less foul mouthed.
But yeah over all the good news is there is going to be LOADS to play this year! (And next too by the looks of it)
@starman292
Cuphead, Anthem, The Last Night and Metro: Exodus.
A B or B+ makes sense for what Nintendo showed off. Mario Odyssey was game of the show without a doubt. Rabbids was right behind it, and was electric. That audience reaction was insane, and the gameplay topped it off. And Nintendo pulled a Sony by showing that Metroid 4 logo. Most consumers fall into that trap of hype and that type of marketing works for them. I thought Sony's presentation blew. Spider Man looked great but that character has been destroyed by the movies and comics that I have zero interest at this point. Microsoft's conference was good, and Metro looked shockingly good. Crackdown 3 looks great as well. And the original xbox backwards compatibility announcement was huge for me.
But with Nintendo, I see big things coming. I think Xenoblade gets pushed into 2018 and Skyrim positioned as their end of year game. I also saw a retailer posting for WWE 2k18. I could see a Direct focused on NBA 2k18 and or WWE 2K18, and eventually Skyrim. Third parties would really love that. And 2K and Bethesda make quality games.
I totally agree with the article.
Day 1 was by far the most exciting, because it had more new material/reveals (especially Mario Odyssey, Metroid 4) and the Splatoon2 tournament was really well organized and executed.
Watching that tournament was definitely the most exciting part of E3 for me.
Meanwhile, I also think it wasn't a good idea to have two tournaments on day 2 (although I didn't watch Pokken DX) and that the ARMS tournament needed more preparation. It says a lot when the director of ARMS easily beats the winner of the tournament.
Strangely enough, I wasn't that interested in the ARMS tournament as I expected because I knew the game would be released a day later anyway. The main appeal of watching the tournament was to see (high-level) gameplay footage, but in the end I preferred playing it shortly thereafter over watching it.
Apart from some (but not all) 3DS footage, I watched the stream for day 1 completely (though not all of it live). On day 2 I skipped a few parts, but still watched most of it.
But on day 3 I mostly skimmed through the video, there was barely anything new or interesting.
They should've moved one of the tournaments to day 3.
Overall I was quite pleased and think a B/B+ rating is fitting. Though, based on day 1 alone (or if all three days would've been that good), it would definitely be an A.
Also worth mentioning was the confirmation that the Rainway app will be coming to the Switch. I'm really looking forward to that!
"A number of Switch topics are still on the table - Virtual Console, the online service, details on the voice chat / lobby app expected with Splatoon 2, streaming apps such as Netflix etc, HOME Themes, UI updates; all were posted missing."
Yeah also: cloud saves.
But the thing I'm missing the most are streaming apps and a full browser. I really hope they will add these two features ASAP!
It was a great E3! I very much enjoyed it because I'm not a whinning baby.
@invictus4000 +1 so much to look forward to this year for switch
It was a good E3, could be better but very decent E3.
@rjejr law could stop them from selling a product for more than the MSRP - not that such a law exists anywhere as far as I'm aware but that would be the best way to slow down scalpers.
I'm glad that E3 proved that Nintendo was not bound by the "focusing on 2017 games" statements, as all the new Switch games announced were either 2018 games (Kirby, Yoshi, and likely Pokemon) or 2019 games and beyond (Metroid Prime 4).
With all the games released and announced, it just feels like the 90's magic is back!
@Nintendian
Yeah that cuphead game looks great, I will definitely be keeping an eye out for that.
@Captain_Gonru
Well, I DON'T have one.
Not even offering solid concepts on how they are solving the lack of saving our save files in any way is a major problem and really blows my mind. It makes no sense how this isn't a 101 level UI feature
I like how Nintendo looks like a videogame company showcasing and demonstrating games in their presentation.
The others still feel like movie/cinema producers instead of game developers.
Watching pre-rendered cutscenes and videos is just not what got me into gaming, fun-looking gameplay did it for me.
@ShadJV "law could stop them from selling a product for more than the MSRP"
That law would also do away w/ the entire antiques, auction and memorabilia industry. Any old car, book, piece of jewelry you're saying coudln't be sold for more than ti was woth 50 or 100 eyars ago.
You'd have to start getting very nitpicky about laws if you tell people they can't sell things for more than they paid for them. What if you lost the receipt and can't remember how much you paid for something?
Americans are a consumer based society. We're raised from birth to buy whatever we want, whenever we want, then sell it later on eBay when we regret our purchase. It's part of the "better to ask forgiveness than permission" mentality. If you get rid of eBay the'rs Craig's List. Get rid of Craig's list there's newspaper ads. Get rid of those and scalpers will buy Switch and go door - to - door like encyclopedia salesmen in days of yore.
Best way to get rid of scalpers, make enough. Something Ntineod is loathe to do until nobody wants something any more. I imagine Switch will be big on eBay this Christmas.
Oh, something else Americans like and favor, time over money. Some people are willing to spend the extra $50 on eBay not b/c they HAVE to, but b/c it's easier than getting up at 3AM and going to wait on line, or keep refreshing the Amazon website. If people stopped shopping on eBay people would stop selling stuff on eBay. Nobody NEEDS a Nintendo video game console, they just tell themselves they do.
I'm not a fan of making laws just to protect people from their own lack of willpower and laziness.
@Captain_Gonru NES Mini cut out.
Always keep the box and receipt, surely Ntineod would need to repair it as it's less than a year old.
Otherwise, it's just a Raspberry pii in a 3D printed NES shell right? You can probably find a Youtube how-to video to fix it.
My Wii U can't losing the picture every 5 to 15 seconds so I sent it back and they fixed it. I don't think Ntinendo likes HDMI cables, too HD for them.
@SLlGEACH_ElRE to be honest i really can't understand why (if your tv has it, if your computer has it, if your playstaion has it, if even your phone has it) you are so hung up on having netflix on the switch. (Or an internet browser for that matter) WHO CARES??? There isn't a single E3 announcement that i would have gladly replaced for the announcement of netflix on the switch. But you know what, i went to have a look at your profile and you are indeed a troll. I'll just bid you farewell and i'll go enjoy my switch! Arms arrived in the mail today and i'm stoked! Ciao ciao
@Nico85 If by "I'll just bid you farewell" you mean you"ve ignored him, you may have done it unjustly.
Don't get me wrong, Slig is a troll, no doubt about it, he's entitled to his opinion but it's the way he forces it on others is trolling and flame baiting at its finest and quite frankly it staggers me how many people feed him, BUT... Getting back to my point, that isn't Slig.
Unless I'm seeing things, then that name is off slightly. I dunno, I'm very tired and the hayfever is destroying my focus, but I just don't think that's him 🤔
@UmbreonsPapa "You'd have to be living under a rock to not know Its discontinued"
I guess that person I overheard in Target a couple of weeks ago asking for one was living under a rock then.
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