Nintendo is apparently working on a successor to the NES Classic Mini, if reports from Eurogamer are to be believed.
Speaking to sources close to Nintendo, Eurogamer is reporting that Nintendo is already hard at work on the "Nintendo Classic Mini: Super Nintendo Entertainment System", which is expected to launch this Christmas.
If the reports are true, it could give an insight into why Nintendo decided to discontinue the incredibly popular NES Classic Mini, despite the fact that demand had far outstripped supply since launch.
What games would you like to see on the SNES Classic Mini, assuming this rumour is indeed true? The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, Super Mario World, F-Zero and Donkey Kong Country should be fairly safe bets; let us know which ones you'd like personally.
Mini SNES ?!
Better place your $500 pre-order on eBay now.
I hope Nintendo have learned from their mistakes with the NES Classic Mini.
Eurogamer also said GameCube games are coming to Switch VC. Why would they discontinue NES mini for SNES mini. It's not the same to phase out NES due to Super NES in the 90s.
And they will still screw up with not enough stock
Huge if true.
...but how to pick 30 games to represent the vastness of the system? That will be the real conundrum.
While I would/will buy this, it's more the collector than the gamer in me that want it. The fact is that the SNES games are emulated quite well on the Virtual Console, while the NES games were not.
If true, that would be super Nintendo!
The SNES mini would live by its abbreviation if Nintendo don't want another Nes Classic fiasco.
For the super low price of £500!
I'm totally expecting more stock issues nonsense, maybe even worse than with the NES Mini.
It wouldn't make any sense coming for Christmas. It wouldn't make any sense coming at all. Would be great tho
How is Eurogamer not blacklisted to hell and back for all these leaks?
Nintendo is proud to announce the SNES mini, soon available in stor... and it sold out. No worry, more are being ma...ops, we are closing production, better luck next time with the N64 mini ^o^/
I would definitely take this with a huge grain of salt. Nintendo marketing's focus this holiday is going to be all Switch, all the time. Switch needs to have a solid holiday season. I can't see Nintendo muddying their message with this product.
I can't wait to not be able to buy it!
Let's see what games that will be on Mini SNES...
1. Final Fantasy IV
2. Final Fantasy V
3. Final Fantasy VI
4. Street Fighter II
5. Super Mario World
6. Super Punch Out
7. Street Fighter Alpha 2
8. Super Mario Kart
Odd choice if true. Why eat into their Switch market?
@Shiryu that is my thought too!! How to choose ONLY 30 games from this console library masterpiece...
@Sinton Have you ever played the NES Classic? I haven't, so I can't comment for sure, but everything I've read states it emulated them very well. My guess would be the focused on getting the specific games included emulated very well, making whatever tweaks necessary. I would assume they would do the same here.
As for the SNES classic, I think we all saw this coming eventually. Why else create the "Classic" brand in the first place. Though I will be angry if we don't see a second run of the NES Classic. The collector in me died a little when they announced no more would be produced this year. It's the first and only retail Nintendo console (Including all major hardware revisions) I haven't been able to get my hands on going back to the Game & Watch. But there's no way I'm paying more than $100 (Or $300) for one.
@mjharper I think their marketing focus this holiday is going to be mixed between multiple things. I mean like you'd expect E3 to be completely focused on Switch but they're showing off more 3DS games there.
So I think the holiday push will be between Switch (mostly Super Mario Odyssey), 3DS (some new games we don't know about yet) and the SNES Mini.
@Flugen I guess they could like throw 50 in there...or even 100! Its all about storage and licensing... and of course retail price.
Here in Norway there wasn't even a single NES Classic Mini delivered!
So I don't hold up my hopes for the SNES Classic Mini to show up here either.
Nintendo has really lost it. No idea what is going on there. They could be swimming in piles of money by making more Amiibo's and NES Classic consoles, but instead do the complete opposite.
Goes against any business logic. /shrug
Does no one remember that Nintendo trademarked the SNES and Super Famicom controllers? They did the same thing with the NES/Famicom controller before the NES Mini was announced.
May as well start visiting Eurogamer more often, as they seem to be the source of most NL stories.
Regarding the SNES Mini, if true, it'll still be a hard to find item. Demand will always outstrip supply when scalpers are involved and Nintendo is too scared of producing too much stock.
I'd love this more than my NES Mini, but just the thought of the stock issues for this is already strssing me out.
Great- maybe they can actually keep them on the shelves this time 🙄
I wouldn't put too much stock in this.
Reason #1: Nintendo discontinued the NES Mini before even attempting to let everyone have a fair go at getting one at MSRP.
Reason #2: Last year Nintendo didn't have a home console to push for the Holidays, and now they do.
Reason #3: Eurogamer has been wrong before...
@Grumblevolcano well, I cannot agree more about the switch and the 3ds, but I have a doubt about the snes mini if it's ever going to be a thing this year or even at all
I'd love to see Disney's Aladdin on there, also Sensible world of Soccer and maybe Turtles in time but I know due to Licencing issues they would never happen.
All the other "Nintendo" games I'd be interested I probably already own them on the virtual console anyway so as great as it sounds on paper when it boils down to it, it probably wouldn't be a worth while purchase
Even if it is real - I doubt I'll ever see one, so it may as well not be!
I don't think these eat into the switch market at all. Here's how I look at it:
Scenario 1: Hardcore Nintendo fans/collectors. They will buy all of these classic consoles either way. They will also likely buy switch versions of their favorite games to play. You've now made $60 per classic console (Let's be real, we would buy the NES, SNES, and N64 if they released them) and likely still some VC revenue.
Scenario 2: Lapsed gamers making an impulse buy based on nostalgia for games from 20-30 years ago. These people aren't going to buy a switch anyway to play the oddball NES/SNES game.
Of course there is some middle ground. But even then, if someone pays $60 to get 30 games on the NES, then another $60 for the SNES... what are the odds that they would have purchased $60-$120 worth of individual VC titles anyway? I know that I wouldn't. I purchase the occasional VC title (Probably less than $120 lifetime, honestly) but I would drop $200 in a heartbeat to have one of each NES, SNES, and N64 classic editions. And then I would still end up buying my favorites on Switch (Or whatever Nintendo console is most recent at the time). I just don't see how this cuts into sales at all, and would most likely drastically increase revenue.
@roadrunner343 Not sure if you understood me, so I'll elaborate / re-word: The SNES games on the Wii and Wii U Virtual Console were well emulated, hence I have no (gaming) need for a SNES Mini. The NES games on the Wii and Wii U Virtual Console were not well done, however, thus the need for the NES Mini.
Guys the Switch and Mini Snes are two totally different products, why would they compete with each other? They don't even remotely come close to each other. From the moment the Mini Nes got discontinued I expected this to happen, they are problaby relocating their resources.
@Sinton Ah, that makes sense. Pardon the misunderstanding =) Like you, I have no gaming need for this... and yet, I would definitely try (And fail) to get my hands on one if it does come to market.
Not making same mistake, will preorder ASAP and at least 2 controllers.
Please Nintendo, just do another run of the NES controllers!
If Final Fantasy VI comes to the SNES Mini, I really hope they'll use Tom Retranslattery's translation of the game and remove the censorship!
It is probably going to disappear faster than the NES mini and I will have to deal with this kind of stuff again.
Super Metroid, Secret of Mana, Smash TV, Link to the Past, Yoshi's Island.
@roadrunner343 No problem 😊
@FX102A Unfortunately, I was sitting there refreshing multiple pages when pre-orders went live, and I still wasn't able to nab one... so let's hope Nintendo doesn't make the same mistake and they at least manufacture enough to supply the hardcore crowd...
I hope they will have learnt from their mistakes, but I think I'll pass on this one. The reason is simple: I own a NES, but have just a handful of games and aside from the Marios the other ones aren't must-have. The NES Mini was a reasonably cheap solution for me.
In the SNES case, my collection is not much bigger, but I already own most of the must-haves, so I would consider the SNES mini only if it comes with very important third party titles that at the same time are not typical to own, so... I don't think it'll happen, and definitely won't spend 60 € for 3 or 4 RPGs my collection lacks.
lol at the ones having faith they will produce enough....oh you guys!
Just for collectors. My Nintendo Switch is enough for me.
While I don't believe they'll release it this year, hopefully when they do release it, it will include Starwing and Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. Square games and licensed games would also be awesome (Turtles in Time, Super Star Wars, Magical Quest starring Mickey Mouse).
@chardir Switch and NES/SNES Mini aren't competing markets dude. No one is buying a Mini instead of a Switch.
Hey retailers, ONE PER HOUSEHOLD!!!
Very cool but i don't want one i don't think, i own loads is SNES games on the Wii, WiiU and my actual SNES... Unless it comes with every game it not worth it
hmm this makes me think IF it is true that maybe this is the way Nintendo want to go with releasing there retro stuff which could mean other than the Free game a month we are getting on the online service maybe they aren't doing a Virtual Console service after all? it would seem very odd releasing this when they surely want to get everyone buying a switch
Super Mario rpg
Link to the past
The faces of evil
Super Mario kart
The list goes on and on...
Great news if true but it'll be so rare even Triforce Johnson will struggle to get one.
No. This cannot be real. If it was I hope they actually do US preorders this time to actually sell what they can sell. If real 20 games at $100:
1. Super Mario World
2. Super Mario World 2
3. Super Mario Kart
4. Super Mario RPG
5. Star Fox
6. Super Metroid
7. A Link to the Past
9. Street Fighter II
10. Contra III
11. Castlevania IV
14. Megaman X
15. Final Fantasy VI
16. Super Punchout!!
17. Donkey Kong Country
18. Donkey Kong Country 2
19. Donkey Kong Country 3
20. Kirby Superstar
10 more if they actually go the full 30:
21. Yoshi's Cookie
22. Secret of Mana
23. Chrono Trigger
24. Final Fantasy V
25. Killer Instinct
26. NBA Jam
27. Mortal Kombat II
28. Castlevania Dracula X
29. Kirby's Dreamland 3
30. Final Fight 2
It's going to be a bloodbath.
Even though the SNES Classic would be a cool thing, I feel that considering one of the Switch's biggest parts of this year is going to be the holidays, and if you give consumers two options, a SNES mini probably around 60-80, and a Switch at around 300, what do you think they will choose? The SNES probably since it's cheaper and they can play old games easily on it. Even though the SNES classic mini would be neat, all it would do would probably be hurt Switch sales.
And with how Nintendo treated the release of the NES Mini, I will skip this if true. I much rather spend the money for a ever drive, and have all the jp games I have translated.
Well, if that's really true, here's my thoughts on the matter: http://www.inceptional.com/2016/07/23/heres-what-i-want-from-a-snes-classic-edition/
This could mean no virtual console for switch 😡
I'd like to see Secret of Mana and Terranigma. Others are more likely such as Star Wing, DK Country 2.
After the roller coaster of hype and disappointment and INTENSE disgruntlement amongst Nintendo fans around the NES Mini, I think I'll just try to ignore this completely.
I have to say I don't find it all that likely, though. This holiday season is going to be all about Mario Odyssey, fancy Switch bundles (totally expecting a Splatoon or Mario Special Edition Switch around that time) and hopefully Xenoblade Chronicles 2. The NES Mini made sense as a holiday offering last year, when they had very few new things to offer. Doing the same thing this year would not make nearly as much sense. Then again, this IS Nintendo, so who knows?
If true, have to wonder the following:
1) Did Nintendo stop NES Mini production because it was getting ready to surpass Switch sales?
2) Have Switch sales hit a saturation point and Nintendo feels the SNES Mini will give them an actual thing to sell this holiday?
3) Now that Nintendo saw NES Mini can sell for $200 online, will they make the starting price for the SNES Mini at $250+
4) Will Nintendo even bother to make like 10,000 SNES Minis, or just release a few dozen each week just to sit back and enjoy the outrage?
5) What first party games will Nintendo leave off the SNES Mini and the reason will be some lazy excuse?
@chardir Exactly. Can we get that virtual console already?
After the mad chase for both the NES Classic and Switch I think I'm done and burned out. Not to mention trying to find certain Amiibo that was sprinkled in there.
I lick my own giblets if this turns out to be true. Unless the cost is a lot more than the NES Classic as they were not making much money on the device and they are going to go guns blazing on the Switch and probably try and squeeze the last remaining bits out of the 3DS. Why would they muddy these waters with the SNES Classic?
Nintendo just has to make sure to at least fix the few totally justified issues people had with the NES Classic Edition, like the stupidly short controller cord and the lack of a simple shortcut for returning to the main menu (like pressing Start and Select together).
But whatever the SNES Classic Edition ultimately turns out to be like, I think this is going to be huge and even more successful than the NES Classic Edition. It's also going to be a whole crap load more fun imo; the SNES is basically pinnacle of 2D gaming as far as I'm concerned, and getting say 30-50 games in a small package like this NES mini is nigh-on a perfect realization of that classic experience in a brilliant form factor and setup that basically anyone can pick up and play and fully enjoy immediately.
I'll probably actually buy this; as long as it's still £50 and the game selection is great (which is nigh-on a certainty, even just with Nitendo's first part SNES games alone).
I still own my NES with Robbie I bought in 86....so no need for me for the mini.....I'll get other games VC switch...
If this is true, I definitely think it should not be released until the Mini NES comes back in stock.
I'd be excited about this if not for the disaster that was the NES Classic Edition. From a business perspective, it'd be good and bad. Good because people would buy it (provided Nintendo actually tries to meet demand this time) but on the other hand with a new console on the market there's potential this could overshadow that. Nintendo's focus this year should be 100% on the Switch, hold off on SNES until the 30th anniversary of the console in 2021. That's enough time past the debacle of the NES Classic and the Switch's place in the market will obviously already be decided.
If it does happen, though, these are the games I definitely want to see. Super Mario World, The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, Secret of Mana, Street Fighter II Turbo, Pilotwings, F-Zero, Star Fox, Super Mario Kart, Super Castlevania IV, Super Punch-Out!! and Super Metroid.
Im not sure I see a christmas release for this, it would be at odds with the Switch in many ways..
@Mogster The market would overlap considerably. People don't have infinite time and money. People might easily buy a mini this year and wait on Switch, which Nintendo don't want. They would have to split their holiday marketing message across three consoles. And Virtual Console would absolutely be a direct competitor.
At least we know Nintendo's virtual console strategy....actual consoles
On a slightly different topic part of me wonders what would happen if Nintendo just re-released a mini snes, controllers, scope etc and started making games for it again, I reckon it would actually do pretty well for a while
@Anti-Matter Yeah, all the games most of us have already purchased through virtual console.
I still don't see why people have been complaining about the limited supply of the NES mini... Nintendo had been referring to it as a collectible item from the start, which implies that it would only have a limited availability... making more only lowered it's value as a collectible.
If you wanted to play the games you could get them on the virtual console, so the only real reason you'd have for getting the NES mini instead of the VC games would be to have it as a collectible.
@Kayfios (and others)
1. They likely killed the NES Mini production in order to make space for new lines. A SNES Mini would be the most likely thing to fill that space. I don't think the limited run of the NES Mini changes anything.
2. I don't think these consoles and the VC are at all targeting the same audience. The Mini consoles are relatively low cost collectors items and stocking fillers. The VC is more about giving you more content to play on the console you already brought. One is about low volumes and maintaining a shelf presence, the other is about an invisible product with high volumes and high margins.
3. Two things. First that image is from a patent which Nintendo did file. Secondly Eurogamer were pretty much spot on about everything in regards to the Switch. They were talking about detachable controllers on a portable device with NVidia Tegra processor in it for months. If any site has credibility with leaks and rumours regarding Nintendo? It's Eurogamer.
Make sure if it comes out, get those pre-orders ready!
Can't wait till next year when we could get a N64 Mini.
Stating the obvious...
If this is true they should put some of their rarest and expensive games on it. Like Hagame and Rendering Ranger. That would make it a must have.
Aren't these minis just marketing projects? Release highly sought after product in low quality, not for profit so much as to reinforce Nintendo's brand in terms of being the most well-established and acclaimed developer of gaming hardware and software out there. The shortages get attention and spread the vibe that Nintendo is hot property.
Refuse to get hopes up given the NES mini debacle. A shame.
here's a possible list of 30 games, depending if Nintendo can get 3rd party support.
super mario world
super mario all stars
super mario kart
donky kong country trilogy
street fighter 2 world warriors, turbo, & super
kirbys dream course
mega man 7
mega man x, x2, x 3
super castlevania 4
super ghosts and goblins
final fight trilogy
legend of zelda
Here's a list of games I would like to see included, but will probably never happen.
Mortal kombat trilogy
tmnt tournament fighters
NBA jam tournament edition
micro machines 1 & 2
super mario world 2
stunt race fx
tmnt turtles in time
super smash tv
super off road
I will definitely try and get this if it's true, even though I suspect most of the games will be the usual VC re-releases, maybe with a couple of nice surprises.
I'm very content with my Super Famicom / SD2SNES / RGB CRT Monitor, but I can't resist these mini consoles and being able to play on the main LCD TV via HDMI is definitely convenient.
There are soooo many great games for Super Nintendo I don't know where to start , Killer Instinct would be great , Super Metroid obviously, Contra , all the Donkey Kong Country, Mario Kart and some Star Fox
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONIES!!!
Seriously though, while I do have an RGB modded Super Famicom Jr, something that has an HDMI output would be very welcome, especially if it's ahem, "moddable" to play all the games they'll never get the licence for, like StarFox, Turtles in Time, Tiny Toons, etc.
It would have to be the Super Famicom version too for 100% childhood nostalgia authenticity.
I don't want a Mini console - just want it to look like a full size Super Nintendo. Also I don't understand why they dont have a virtual console with these machines - maybe release it with 20 nintendo games built in and then have 3rd parties come on board with titles for £4.99 or whatever.
People say to protect against hacking but the vast majority of buyers are casual and have no interest in hacking the machine or going outside legal means of obtaining the games.
Nintendo can't chew gum and walk at the same time. So .
@SLIGEACH_EIRE obviously they haven't or they wouldn't have discontinued it
Lol yeah good luck w that.
It'd be a better idea to just re-release the SNES. Then sell carts with a couple of games on them for a reasonable price.
Wish in one hand, spit in the other, and see what comes first.
@Sinton Sound emulation was terrible on the Wii VC for SNES games. Many had gaps of missing sound (not silence, but just imagine an instrument randomly disappearing from a band for a few seconds).
@Kayfios That was a real patent submitted by Nintendo, so how was EG wrong in reporting on it exactly?
@skywake You beat me to it
Star Fox and Super Star Wars plz.
Lol. If it's true, it will either be the best news of the year, or the worst.
Eh. If this is true, I'll pass. It's my favorite console, but I'm not going through the NES Classic situation again, a system that I never owned, never saw, etc. I refused to pay $100+ for the NES, and I will refuse to pay that much for an snes. I do wish the scalpers the best of luck, though.
I want this way more than I wanted NES mini, I sure hope they don't mess up the supply as bad. If they'd at least allow for pre-orders early then they'd get a better idea and maybe some of us could actually get one this time around. Also they had better fix the controller length issue lol.
@Tingle_The_Great ...surely you don't mean Link: The Faces of Evil?
And all 300 units will be individually hand made and signed by Miyamoto.
@Shiryu Well, Mother 1, Mother 2, Mother 3............
What I'd really love to see are wireless snes controllers that can be synced with the Switch, Wii U, and perhaps even the Wii for VC purposes. Of course, there would need to be a way to charge it, or otherwise use batteries.
This will be a great product to never find.
But man...Eurogamer is usually a pretty solid source. Just give us FF3 on it.
Oh yes! I think someday it will happen asap I hope! This time I will pre-order to avoid all the problems I had getting one NES MINI for retail price. What games should come with it?
Secret of Mana
Super Mario World
and so on...
It doesn't make any sense, unless Nintendo is bargaining on having the Switch selling at 300 bucks (still) and the SNES at 80 or less, as a stock filler. I can see that, but I hope it doesn't distract people form the Switch and the Switch VC, which should be in place by then (hopefully).
I really don't care for this idea. It's too soon after the bitter taste the NES Classic fiasco left in people's mouths. Plus, I think it cannibalizes the fact that Nintendo wants people to buy the Switch this Christmas. I don't think VC and the Super NES Classic particularly target the same audience, but I also don't think Nintendo needs to have two hardware items on sale at the same time during the Switch's first Christmas.
I'm going to order 5 and keep them unboxed in my loft until I die
One word: ACTRAISER.
If Nintendo cant deliver on the NES classic, why slap their fans in the face with the promise of a SNES classic. This is an insult! I can buy a Switch cheaper than a NES Classic right now and would have better luck walking into any retail store and picking one up. Only people getting the SNES classic are the scalpers and Id rather eat my shoes then buy one from them.
Awesome but c'mon this thing is not even out yet, why discontinued the NES Classic Edition when this product wasn't ready? They can still sent shipment of the NES Classic Edition while also research and developed the SNES Classic Edition.
I believe it when it gets announced.
If we get Switch VC in the meantime then I think it's just a rumour.
For the inevitable N64 classic:
1. Super Mario 64
2. LoZ Ocarina of Time
3. LoZ Majora's Mask
4. Pilotwings 64
5. Waverace 64
6. Mariokart 64
7. Mario Party
8. Mario Party 2
9. Mario Party 3
10. Paper Mario
11. Kirby's Air Ride
12. Kirby Crystal Shards
13. Star Fox 64
14. Diddy Kong Racing
15. Harvest Moon 64
16. Super Smash Bros
17. Pokemon Snap
18. F-Zero X
19. Mario Tennis
20. Mario Golf
Full licensed 30 dreams:
21. 007 Goldeneye
22. Perfect Dark
23. Killer Instinct Gold
24. Jet Force Gemini
25. Banjo Kazooie
26. Banjo Tooie
27. Cruisn USA
28. Cruisn World
29. Cruisn Exotica
30. Star Wars Rogue Squadron
Awesome. I love the SNES.
I never had a Nes when I was a child so I literally hunt for months a Mini to no success. So yeah Nintendo screw you.
@BakaKnight pretty much how it will be.
This is gonna be a blood bath. The NES classic mini was just impossible to get. The SNES could be even worse. Scalpers are rejoicing and fans are cringing.
@danielman9 When they announced paid online, they mentioned a VC subscription whereby subscribers would have access to one free NES/SNES game per month. VC is coming, though the details are few. However, we do know that there will be some kind of online for VC. Really ought to have more details by now. I was expecting something in the Direct. I suppose they're just not ready to announce it yet.
How can anyone get excited about this? You will NEVER be able to buy it. They will do the same bait-and-switch, minimum run to spike VC sales on the Switch and 3DS and pretend that they simply cannot keep up with the demand. Fool me once...
I can't see this. They canceled the nes mini so it would not compete with the switch so I can't see them doing this.
Illusion of time and the chaos engine would keep me happy.
Zero interest in this. I had actually wanted to purchase the NES Mini, and never saw it anywhere. If the SNES rumor is true, it will be the same situation in terms of stock as NES Mini, Amiibos, and now the Switch. Nintendo's disorganization and miscommunication will screw them at some point.
I really hope they send out enough to fulfill demand. I'm still pissed about the whole NES Classic debacle. Hopefully they do the smart thing and actually open up pre-orders this time.
@hendie001 : I agree 100%. This Christmas is going to be all about the Switch and Super Mario Odyssey. Nintendo knows this holiday season will be make or break for the Switch. Why on earth would they give consumers a reason to take their eyes off the ball? Maybe some time next Spring . . . if at all.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I'd say no since they stopped the nes mini even though its still high in demand
@bluedogrulez Because Nintendo fans have money. Nintendo knows that. You can see that, in how they price the switch peripherals . They know that if you have the money to buy switch you can buy the Snes mini too
@skywake @Damo Okay, you got me there, but what have you to say about this report they did?
Too late. I already built a Pi box and loaded it up. Cost about the same, didn't have to get disappointed when websites crash.
Why not, a Gameboy Classic:
1. Super Mario Land
2. Super Mario Land 2
4. Kirby's Dreamland
5. Kirby's Dreamland 2
6. Metroid II
7. LoZ Link's Awakening
8. Pokemon red/blue
10. Kirby's Pinball
Demand 10 more? Okay:
11. LoZ Oracle of Ages
12. LoZ Oracle of Seasons
13. Donkey Kong Land
14. Donkey Kong Land 2
15. Donkey Kong Land 3
16. Harvest Moon
17. Pokemon Gold/Silver
18. Wario Land
19. Dr. Mario
20. Megaman V
@impurekind A couple of niggles with that idea:
1. Form factor
3. Licensing costs
Nintendo wants their minis to actually LOOK like the original product, not like some black piece of non-descript plastic that also happens to have a cartridge slot for original games.
The biggest niggle is quality. I don't know why you keep bringing up the AtGames consoles as a "good" example of how it could be done, because almost everybody knows that the AtGames consoles are total and utter crap, both the handheld and the home console versions. Tinny sound quality, bad emulation, cheap plastics, games roster filled out with BS homebrew titles that have nothing to do with the original console etc. etc. whereas Nintendo comes up with a product that might not have as many titles, but which simply oozes quality, from the menu, to the options to the quality of the emulation, and even though it still isn't completely perfect, it's still a MUCH better option than the AtGames consoles.
And the list of games on a SNES Mini should not be expected to go beyond the 30 on the NES Mini. The licensing costs would be too high, especially on what will most likely once again be a "grab em while you can" product, so that's simply not going to happen. And not to mention that SNES games cost more than NES games to begin with, so licensing fees will be higher as well. Or they'd have to fill the roster with first party titles only, but that probably won't go down too well, and I don't think that's going to happen either, provided there actually IS going to be a SNES Mini...
And I'd think the more advanced the Mini, the less games we'll get, so if the SNES Mini comes with 30 games, that will be great, but I wouldn't even be surprised if it's going to be less. And if they ever decide to make a N64 Mini or a GameCube Mini, then the number of games on these will possibly be even smaller. It'll be either that or the price of the device will simply be higher, starting with that SNES Mini.
Also because of the more complicated/advanced controllers, which will obviously be factored into the price. Just look at what Wii-compatible SNES controllers cost as a standalone product, and now they'll have to add one to the SNES Mini, if it actually gets made.
But as long as they fix the cord length and add a mains power adapter, I'm good...
(and arguably that "back to menu" shortcut you mentioned, although to me personally, I think having to physically go to the console to press the reset button does add to the realism of it supposing to be a retro system)
@Kayfios How do you know that's still not going to happen?
I wouldn't be so confident on that report, since the sole objective of the Nes Mini existence was to pad out a holiday season that originally looked drier than a desert.
With the Switch, one would think they would put all efforts in promoting it this holiday.
With that said, considering I'm from the end of the N64 gen, I would try to get a SNES mini to play all those classics I've never played. The only big absence I expect is Star Fox, due to that famous FX chip. No one knows who the rights belong to nowadays.
What would I like to see? Stock.
Remember: stock issues have been a constant since the Wii. Nintendo has never repented of it since so don't go thinking that they surely HAVE to do better this time.
It's their market position me thinks. If they weren't perceived as last place they could pump out all the stock they could. For now it's speed bagging the marketplace with limited run products in order to sell enough plastic.
And of course Nintendo would be secretive about reissuing a decades old console lol
If it has the Super FX chip games then count me in! Also, Donkey Kong Country trilogy!
I don't wanna hear anything involving Mini and Classic from Nintendo anytime soon, unless they're re releasing the NES Mini with good stock.
They and their scalper pals can shove their NES and SNES mini where the sun don't shine! I'm sure it's small enough.
@Damo That article is over a year old. Why would Nintendo hold back a VC game for over a year?
Which is why you report it as rumour. There are a lot of reasons why something rumoured might end up not happening. A misunderstanding, something lost in translation or even changing plans. And yes sometimes the whole thing is made up entirely. But given how accurate Eurogamer was on the Switch? I think it's a bit short sighted to be discounting it entirely.
Especially given how plausible the idea of a SNES Mini is......
If they're releasing this, it must mean that they're still not confident that the Switch will sell. Releasing it at the holiday is going to eat up a lot of Mario-induced Switch sales.
If it even makes it to store shelves, of course.
Anyway, I'm not particularly excited about it. The only SNES game that will end up on here that really captures my attention is Pilotwings and I have that on the VC.
However, many many other people will want this and if they don't make up the stock this time, it will absolutely be ten times as bad as the NES Mini (if the average price of a SNES cart compared to an NES cart is any comparison).
@ElekidDude wondered if anyone would notice. 😉
I have little confidence that Nintendo would handle such a thing well. I've said in the past that I didn't expect them to do a SNES mini for the Switch's first holiday season. We'll see how it turns out. As beloved as the SNES is by many, I think it's tougher to come up with the 30 or so games because of how many third-party and licensed games are among people's favorites. For example, Turtles in Time would be tricky due to licensing.
Lol, hey you. Are you going to reply to me every time I say something about this? You seem to be developing a bad habit. I didn't even say anything controversial this time.
Gamecube mini give it a decade
1. Luigi's Mansion
2. Super Mario Sunshine
3. Mario Kart Double Dash
4. LoZ Wind Waker
5. LoZ Twilight Princess
6. Metroid Prime
7. Metroid Prime 2
8. Super Smash Bros Melee
9. F-Zero GX
10. Fire Emblem
11. Mario Party 4
12. Mario Party 5
13. Mario Party 6
14. Mario Party 7
15. Harvest Moon a Wonderful Life
17. Pikmin 2
18. Animal Crossing
19. Waverace Blue Storm
20. Paper Mario Thousand Year Door
I wish I was a scalper so I could get one.
I hope they produce enough units to satisfy demand this time.
Of course, knowing Nintendo, I won't hold my breath.
@Mogster You wouldn't buy one, so of course no one else would either. Great logic. Except you know, it isn't.
@Kayfios Let's wait and see what happens with the Switch VC, shall we? Would hardly make sense to publish on the Wii U VC, given that the console is effectively dead now.
I could have bought an NES Mini like 3 times. But I never did because I just don't care. I did get one for my dad though.
I'll be sure to get this if it's true though.
@skywake It's not like I don't want it to happen, but I also don't want to get my hopes up; I did that for Mother 3 prior to E3, and my Wii U still only has 2/3 of the trilogy.
All I want on it is Super Mario World, Super Street Fighter, and Donkey Kong. Anything else is gravy
if it's going to be like it was with the NES Classic Edition, I'm not even going to bother trying to get it.
@Damo I'd be happy to see any news about Switch VC, let alone Mother 3. I'll be hyped for Mother 3 if it's actually announced, but the initial rumor that it was to come out in Summer 2016 has made it harder for me to believe that it's coming out at all. Fool me once, you know?
@Alikan if they put Secret of Mana on it, I hope they provide a way to use a 3rd controller on the SNES Mini so we can maximize that game. Really good childhood memories with SNES playing Secret of Mana with my brother and my best bud.
Although it won't really matter much if they localize Secret of Mana (and the rest of the series!) on the Switch. I'll just play it again on that!
@Sakura seriously that's a deal breaker for some people
Donkey Kong Country 1, 2, 3
Super Mario World
Super Castlevania IV
Those are the only games I really love on SNES. I find the system terribly overrated. I grew up playing it and have a lot of nostalgia but I just don't think the games have aged that well.
Would be nice if you could actually play old SNES carts tbh...
I would be way more interested in a SNES Mini than I ever was in the NES Mini; my aunt's SNES received a lot of use on the afternoons she would babysit me (and once my homework was done).
LOL at those that think this will hurt Switch sales. Nobody will ever be able to find one to buy it, so it's not even a factor.
Also these won't really hurt VC because this is a set library of games. Also, if it's has Link to the Past (a given) some justification could still be made to buy the game on Switch VC to have it on the go since you can't carry a Mini with you.
If anything, the 3DS VC would be the biggest competition for Switch VC for the games you already bought on 3DS. But then again, you can't find a N3DS anyways so I guess Switch SNES VC is safe.
@Menchi187 Never experienced that, but that, eh, sounds bad.
Squaresoft RPGs please!
Maybe they'll make 100 of these this time!
foroget 30 games. impossible on this system.
100 games for $100. I'm in. best system ever.
Still have my SNES but i'd be interested.
They'd better offer online downloading for added games. I know a few who love a game such as Aerobiz Supersonic, which will never make the 1st cut. Bring on a mini SNES eshop!
@Agent721 totally agreed. plus then they can download "stability" updates.
And we can never use too many of those!
@Sinton It obviously varies by game on how much it is affected but a large number of titles suffer from it. More games on the VC have the issue than ones that don't, since it's the emulator issue.
I still say re-release the SNES console and then release a couple of cartridges with 30 games each on them.
@ThanosReXXX Strange . . . most of your points were not really valid considering what I wrote in the linked article:
I specifically addressed the quality of the Sega examples and stated that obviously we'd expect Nintendo to do a better job. It's not the quality of the Sega system I want from Nintendo; it's the overall idea--more games, potentially wireless controllers (but with option to play wired also in my version), ability to use actual old carts, the power supply in the box . . .
Sure, the hardware could look exactly like the original consoles, but there's no good reason Nintendo couldn't release a system that totally made it clear it was still a SNES but just much smaller and a little bit re-designed to make it make sense in its new iteration. If Nintendo can make a SNES Jr.--at that's still recognizable as a SNES--then it can do what I'm saying. And, if it did decide to let you play old carts on it then it simply couldn't go with just shriking the exact original design, since the carts would no longer fit in the slot--hence my suggestion for a slightly different design, because I'd actually like to see Nintendo let us use our old carts too.
Licensing costs is what Nintendo is here to figure out. I personally think it could do what I suggest. You don't. I say we're both speculating based on nothing but assumption, but I'd rather suggest Nintendo at least try go down that route than just accept less without ever really challenging Nintendo to give us a little more. All the third parties are now fully aware of just how popular the SNES Classic Edition is likely to be, and it takes pretty much zero effort to simply put emulated versions of their old games on the system, so I'd be seriously negotiating a deal with all of them if I were Nintendo. Ultimately, it's in everyone's interests to make even more easy money, regardless of it maybe being a little less than some other random method, which would still totally be additionally available to every company involved anyway.
The only potentially valid point you have would be the price: I'd like to get what I want for £50 but maybe it might cost a little more. Still, I'm asking for it at £50 because, just like the last point, I don't work for or own shares in Nintendo, so I'm asking for what would be ideal to me as a consumer and gamer, not what might be the cheapest and most profitable option for Nintendo.
As I always seem to have to repeat on this site: If we, the gamers and paying customers, don't ask for and expect more of Nintendo, we're obviously never gonna get it. Why would any company give us more when it knows we are all ready to happily accept less for the same price or maybe even more expensive--which what people in here seem to advocate constantly. The best we can do is actually ask for more and see what happens.
So, I'm telling Nintendo what I want and what seems actually relatively reasonable and just right to me.
If this is true, It baffles me to understand why Nintendo doesn't or wouldn't be able to market both mini units?
I'm actually good with the SNES games I downloaded on Wii and Wii U. If this rumor turns out to be true then I hope it stays in stores for good while so people can get it for those who want it.
Hard to be excited about this. I'd rather get the Raspberry Pi with the Tinytendo casing.
Will it ever be in a shop?
Rumor: SNES Classic is coming. Rumor: Nintendo has already ceased production. (I can't take credit for that.)
I hope its backwards compatible and comes with everything that was on the NES Classic Mini.
I'm sure scalpers like this news. Otherwise Nintendo should just give up on this after the NES mini debacle
Unless thy intend to make the Clasic line a collector's thing. I can't wrap my head around the idea of a SNES mini when they just discontinued the NES mini after a couple of months. What's the point of this line?
Preorder it this time if you want it so bad. I got two NES Classics with no issues whatsoever, one to play and one to keep in box.
Can't wait to not be able to find one until it is discontinued in April 2018.
Another product I would like to have but won't be in stock. We'll see. Not excited yet.
What about a Mini Game Boy with backlight and color schemes and ALL the GB gameboy/GBC ever released on it?
@TenEighty what is so hard about going to the store and preordering when it's announced? Don't do it online.
A SNES Mini would be cool at some point, but I can't see them releasing it during the Switch's first holiday season. Plus maybe they could sort the NES Mini situation out first before thinking about a SNES Mini.
Honestly? I doubt it. That "rumor" seems more like wishful thinking.
1 request Nintendo. You can put whatever you want on it if you follow through on this request.
Double the production of the NES Mini.
Discontinue it 6 months later if you want, just make enough for everyone to get one and scalpers lose out big time.
It can be done. You sorted the amiibo situation when they first came out, you can sort this too.
@impurekind I read the entire article (and some others too, because I actually like your writing style) but what I said still stands, so none of them are invalid, because I was talking in general.
Maybe I should have made that more clear, but I figured you smart enough to get what I meant. More people than just you are regularly using these lousy AtGames systems as examples or proof of what Nintendo could and "should" do, but it's nearly all BS.
I can understand where you're coming from too, with all of your suggestions, and I can see some of them being welcomed by quite a few people: more games (wouldn't go so far as to demand a 100, that's truly unrealistic), the compatibility with real cartridges, the wireless controllers, etc. etc. but we both know that Nintendo isn't going to do that.
They'll just do whatever the hell they want, and it's their hardware so if people don't like it, I'd suggest they refrain from buying it. Might have given a lot of us that actually DID want to have a NES Mini a better chance of acquiring one in the first place.
And I wouldn't bet on those licensing costs being such a non-issue as you seem to think: as some people already correctly mentioned, there will probably not even be any FX-chip games due to licensing, so it could play quite a big role in the selection of games. And the same goes for third party games: the effort of Nintendo "going after" that, also costs time and thus money, so yet another reason to keep expectations on that front in check. Some parties might want to cooperate, but some will probably just not care.
The NES Mini more than likely didn't make Nintendo that much money, also due to being a limited edition product, so there isn't a hell of a whole lot of profit to be made for third parties either, so all these third parties probably won't be jumping for joy to hand over their games if they get next to nothing in return.
Spawn Wave made a very good video about the discontinuation of the NES Mini in which he also addresses that misconception and he makes a really well-argumented case for how things like these really work instead of what a lot of people seem to think.
The rest of what you said is, obviously, based upon personal wishes which is fair enough and perfectly fine, but we all have those and Nintendo (or any other company for that matter) can't cater to all of us. Regardless of what people seem to think or believe, companies don't listen to us, and no amount of voice raising or clamoring in web forums will change that, for better or for worse. They may sometimes pretend to listen, to fool the customer, but in actuality they never are.
Totally agreed with the adapter in the box, though. But I already said so in the previous comment. That and longer cables...
i actually would want this too...
Great, CeX can sell it for £500 when it gets discontinued, I would buy loads then off-load them when price goes into orbit, just like NES Mini
@SLIGEACH_EIRE They have learned/confirmed once again that if they create artificial scarcity, that in itself will build up lots of hype and that people will defend the artificial scarcity and even beg for another Classic system even though they know the same thing will happen.
It'd look good next to my NES mini
Nintendo messed up with the nes mini. I will pick up an sdsnes everdrive, and continue collecting carts.
@SomeWriter13 Secret of Mana is one of the best games ever made. I hope we get it localized for Switch so I can play it wherever I am. Two other faves are from Enix which Squaresoft devoured after the SNES days: Illusion of Gaia and EVO Search for Eden. They both have excellent stories, gameplay, and an action RPG system.
@marnelljm pre-orders weren't allowed in North America for the NES classic. I really hope we're allowed to pre-order this one. Luckily got my NES by standing outside my local target for an hour before they opened on launch day.
I don't care what games are on it, or at least, I'm not waiting to find out. The second they're up for sale, I'm grabbing 2-3 for myself and two friends, because Nintendo is certainly never going to re-stock.
I rolled a successful perception check and disbelieve. Somewhere along the way, Nintendo drank their own Kool-Aid and now they produce all their products like rare Pokemon. It's up to us customers to 'catch 'em all'.
Here we go again...
Unlike the NES Mini, I would definitely get this new model, as the SNES is one of the best consoles ever.
BUT I don´t think it´s going to happen this year... With the Switch recently released, it´d be a bit stupid from Nintendo to create direct competence in its first christmas.
First let the Switch be succesful (thing that shouldn´t be hard, seeing how it´s selling with only one worthy game), and then you can try to get extra money. But they should take care of the Switch first. And remember this christmas also the Scorpio is coming; another piece of hardware right now would be foolish.
@Alikan false. At Gamestop you could preorder.
Yes, they can't have TWO awesomely selling standalones on top of their popular new system and stalwart portable?
If they learn from their mistakes with the NES Classic then it could be a smash hit. It needs to actually meet demand and limited to one pre order per person. Also it needs a longer cord.
If they hire every factory in China to start making them right now, they might just be able to fulfill the preorders.
@marnelljm except for bundles that were available for order after the system came out, my own experience with Gamestop, Best Buy, WalMart, Amazon, and Target reps allows me to recall otherwise. But I also remember calling a certain group of childrens books Berensteen Bears so I am willing to accept I was misled by my local service reps and yes, I did bug them on a daily basis. The Gamestop rep told me they did take preorders, then had to cancel them all and go to a first come first serve policy at launch as directed by their corporate hq.
Stores WANT more stock. It's Nintendo who has to produce more. With the crazy high demand for the NES mini and Switch, my guess is that they will.
@Alikan Fair enough. I know the guys at my local Gamestop so perhaps they just honored it for me. Either way they should do preorders this time so they can see the massive demand for it.
Problem is they're going to be even more sought after than the NES now. A lot of people would have waited to buy it in the shops but now we know you'll have to pre-order or miss out. So pre-orders will be hard to place.
@marnelljm Not all stores offered preorders. I was surprised when I heard others online were able to preorder. I would have if I had the option.
@Tempestryke I think you're trying to be clever, but I'm afraid it didn't really work out for you this time pal. Switch and SNES Mini aren't in the same market. They aren't competing. Not sure what you're trying to get at. Maybe try and learn some things about the industry before commenting? One is a toy and the other is a modern gaming console. They aren't competing.
Is it really, tho?
Better get those pre-orders in, kiddos...
Gonna throw in my own fantasy list, and this assumes a full 30 games on top of avoiding complete series' just to fill it out. Also trying to shoot for a varied lineup.
1. Super Mario All-Stars + Super Mario World
2. Super Metroid
3. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
4. Star Fox
6. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
7. Super Mario Kart
8. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (or any of em)
9. Tetris Attack
11. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
12. Super Punch-Out!!
13. Kirby Super Star
14. Sim City
16. Kirby's Dream Course
17. Super Bomberman
18. Harvest Moon
19. Mega Man X
20. Final Fantasy III (VI)
21. Super Castlevania IV
22. Secret of Mana
23. Chrono Trigger
24. Street Fighter II Turbo or Super Street Fighter II
25. Contra III: The Alien Wars
26. Gradius III
27. Legend of the Mystical Ninja
28. Demon's Crest
29. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time (or Final Fight 2 if you can't get the rights to it...)
I am already guessing scalper scum are licking their chops at this prospect.
I'm definitely going to preorder one this time around.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE What, you mean to print even less this time?
@marnelljm That's not what my GameStops told me. Your lucky yours did.
It doesn't make any sense to withdraw the NES Classic to make space in the market for a SNES Classic. At $60 most Nintendo collectors and people interested in retro consoles/games would probably go in for both. But if that is their reasoning, then a Christmas launch makes even less sense. Nintendo would be introducing another product just when the Switch would be building up a decent catalog of games for potential buyers to get excited about.
Anyway, whatever. It's all just hypothetical.
@ThanosReXXX If Nintendo doesn't go that extra mile to get both Yoshi's Island and Star Fox on there (two games that use the FX chip) then it might as well not even bother imo--I certainly would not buy the thing out of sheer principle. That would tell me exactly what I'm saying is the real issue here: Not licensing costs but just a company taking the cheapest possible route and knowing it will be able to make easy money off blindly loyal fanboys who don't hold it to any real standards. Those two games were two of the flagship, showcase titles on the SNES; and there is no genuinely acceptable excuse for a company like Nintendo not including them in a SNES Classic--no matter what anyone thinks or says on the matter. There's people in the industry that could and would go the extra mile to get stuff like this done; and Nintendo will be showing it truly doesn't care enough if it's not one of those types in this instance. And that goes to the way I think about many of the points.
"Regardless of what people seem to think or believe, companies don't listen to us, and no amount of voice raising or clamoring in web forums will change that, for better or for worse."
And I don't think that's true in the slightest.
Let's just see if Nintendo makes the SNES Classic Edition controller cord longer for example. . . .
And, if it does, let's not pretend it's because it was going to do that anyway--even though it clearly never thought it was important at all on the NES Classic Edition. What possible reason could it have for making the cord longer this time, when it totally got away with the first time, other than hearing all the complaints across the entire internet; if it's not listening then it would basically have no real awareness that there was an issue. But I'm willing to bet you it is aware and it will make that change (and hopefully give us a shortcut command to get back to the main menu too). And, if it doesn't, you can bet your ass it will hear the complaints the second time around--because "Fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me." And people get real angry when they feel like they've been duped twice.
I will attempt to get this one. Didn't care much for the NES mini but the SNES mini would be right up my alley.
@impurekind But what would third parties get out of it for going that extra mile since there really isn't that much hard profit to be gained? Nintendo might go the extra mile with their own titles and maybe even with those FX chip titles (which I myself certainly wouldn't say no to either), but what with the licensing and all, third parties might not think the same. Nintendo apparently convinced them once with the NES Mini, but if they can do it again after all the world has seen how that has played out, is anyone's guess.
It's not that I don't agree with you that Nintendo should make this effort, it's just that I don't think that they will be doing it. It'll probably just be NES Mini all over again: 30 games, grab em while you can or before those bloody scalpers get their greasy little hands on them, and be satisfied with what you get because it'll just be a promotional product or anniversary gadget of some kind, to keep the Nintendo brand on everyone's lips.
And you can believe (or not believe) anything you want, that's what free will is for after all, but companies do and will lie to the public, and in general, they don't listen to the public. If they would listen to all those wildly varying demands, then products would never even come off of the production lines, because products that cater to ALL of our wishes simply don't exist or would be too frustrating and expensive to manufacture, let alone make any healthy profit off of...
In a broader spectrum, they obviously observe where the market is moving towards, because they need to keep evolving as a business and keep sales figures up, but those are general pointers, which have little if anything to do with catering to the individual customer's every whim.
I've worked for several large companies, both in sales and marketing, and almost 99% of time, the companies dictated (or brainwashed them into, whichever you prefer) what the audience wanted or (thought) they needed, by using decades old and finely honed marketing tricks/schemes, that still work to this day.
Subconsciously, most people actually like being told what's good for them or why they should go for a certain brand. It speaks to their need for convenience and ease of mind, not having to think too much about things that aren't a necessity of life but simply luxury items that bring some added joy to our daily lives.
I see it happen on a daily basis in stores too: a good example is the supermarket. Most people think they aren't being influenced by all they see inside there, but in fact, most people are. Not all to the same extent, but influenced nonetheless...
Licensing aside, NHL '94, baby.
I never even seen a NES mini the wild here in Ireland and the stock shortages didn't help. Hope Nintendo learn from this!
@ThanosReXXX I hear ya, about both main points; but I still think Nintendo should do what it can to go the extra mile this time around. The NES was almost theree; there's no genuinely good excuse for not getting fully there this time with the SNES imo. And, that doesn't mean it has to do everything I want, but it should at the very least fix the controller cord length, add a shortcut command for returning to the main menu, and absolutely make sure it secures flagship first partly classics like Yoshi's Island and Star Fox--at least.
Also, I know people can be very easily manipulated into thinking they want this and that, and are usually happy when they get what they were told they wanted (whether they really wanted it or not); but I also think people can actually be happy when they're given what they would genuinely want too (and doing this isn't always just a pipe dream).
It's like before Apple showed people the iPhone they might not have known they wanted it--and then Apple convinced everyone they needed it either way. But it was still an amazing product that people would have wanted and loved without any manipulation on Apple's part.
When you do something right people know it; and people will always love stuff that's just genuinely great and truly satisfying.
I think Nintendo can achieve pretty much all goals with the SNES Classic Edition, which meet the needs of all parties involved, from shareholders to third parties and end gamers/consumers.
StarFox, though legal issues have kept it from the VC thus far. The standards, of course, but I'd like SimCity, one of the Wii VC SNES titles that never made the jump to Wii U's VC. Same with Chrono Trigger.
if true, im per-ordering the min it get announced.
although, i miss rumors. welcome back Rumors!
What were Nintendo's mistakes with the NES mini?
I think the only nasty move they made was not being up front with how many they were going to (not) make, once it became apparent how attractive people found the system.
Here's my $40 solution. I'm going to go buy a Wii console and soft mod it. It's incredibly easy to do and now I'll have all the NES, SNES< Genesis and N64 games I want. Nintendo had a chance to beat "free". The Classic Mini could have been like when Jobs launched iTunes to beat downloading music. It worked because the songs were always available and cheap. The Classic Mini has made many people, myself included, frustrated and sad. So what's the alternative? Go back to emulation. The Wii had excellent emulation so I have no problem doing this. It can also play GC games and Wii games. It's win-win for me and lose-lose for Nintendo.
Make it so I can pop old carts into it and I will be interested.
I thought the NES Classic was just to fill the void between Wii U and Switch. Seems pretty dumb to move onto a SNES Classic so soon when they couldn't even meet demand for the NES Classic, and I'm not too sure why they'd want any cheaper new product stealing the limelight from Switch its first x-mas.
Oh goody, another system that I'll never see in stores.
The NES Classic Edition was filler for the Holidays because Nintendo had nothing else new on the market. A SNES Classic Edition is not going to happen if Nintendo has a strong holiday lineup.
@Don 8bit games, despite the heritage have a short-term appeal.
16bit games you could play forever.
Would you really keep Bubble Bobble, Final Fantasy and Mario Bros 3 on shelves when gamers could be playing Mario Kart, Secret of Mana and Super Metroid?
Give me Yoshi's Island or go to hell.
This news is hilarious. Seriously. Beyond my laughter, I have to say I won't be buying one. Not only because I'm sure this will never see the light of day on American store shelves, but because in my frustration of waiting forever for a "replacement" to my still perfectly working SNES, I bought the super cool Hyperkin SupaBoy S last Christmas and with a 3ds XL sized screen, a 10 hour battery, vivid colors and brilliant clarity, I'm happily playing my 50+ SNES games already, anytime and anywhere. Sorry Nintendo. You snooze, you lose. 👌 I've moved on before you even made a move!
I waited in line for an NES mini and missed it by...4 people? I love the idea of it, and the NES mini was sufficiently interesting enough for me to want to line up to buy it, but not attempt to buy it again...lol. I...hope (???) Nintendo does something differently IF they decide to release an SNES mini. I'd love one, and would preorder it if it does happen...although even that can be cumbersome and sloppy these days. The trivial life of a human seeking consumer goods, damn it all!
@Sinton: And SNES games are also well emulated on NES Classic Mini already lol
They'll Just user the same hardware parts as the Mini NES, just with a different casing. Still it's nostalgia that sells. But my rasp Pi does the job already.
2. Killer Instinct (wont happen)
3. Chrono Trigger ( Unlikely)
I would personally rather own all the classic SNES from Nintendo on Switch over a new mini console myself, even though I never owned the system. I just want all my Nintendo games in one place.
I'd love a SNES Mini controller designed like the NES Mini controller and sold separately. That's the best thing (personally) that came out of the NES Mini, and I don't want to spend $50+ for the Club Nintendo controller.
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@impurekind Of course it would be nice if we all got all that, but like I was saying, all of us have different wishes. Some games or functionalities we might agree on, like those FX chip games, but your 30 games list may vary wildly from the ones that somebody else wants, so on paper it sounds great, but in practice it almost sounds like they can't win, because they'll never satisfy everyone.
That longer cord shouldn't be such a stretch for them, so I can see that happening alright...
As for that iPhone: I took a look at it once and thought: "wow, that Samsung Galaxy smart phone looks much, much nicer and way more user friendly" and it was, and so I went with that and never looked at another iPhone again. Apple is never going to sell me anything...
The exact list of games is not the point(although I'm sure most of them would be on most people's lists anyway, other than a few random outliers); it's the overall idea of doing it right rather just doing the bare minimum required to turn and profit and/or making stupid decisions that benefit nobody, like making the controller cable stupidly short or not including an easy and entirely optional way to quickly return to the main menu for those people that want it.
The Samsung Galaxy phone didn't exist when the iPhone originally came out, and that was what I was talking about: When the iPhone first released it was basically a revolution, and very quickly most people realized how special it was. And even the slightly later adopters, of which I was one, still understand what made the whole concept of a simple and elegant smartphone that did pretty much everything in one device, and very well too, something pretty amazing.
@impurekind Well, that profit margin is highly arguable. If they stood to make so much money off of it, then surely they wouldn't have discontinued it, methinks.
So, if and when the SNES Mini will arrive, it'll probably be another limited edition run, or maybe, just maybe they've now seen and taken into account the outrage over the NES Mini, and manufacture a bigger amount of the SNES Mini so that more people can actually get their hands on one this time.
Would be nice, since I missed out on the NES Mini, but I'm not going to expect it by default...
That longer cable keeps being mentioned, but there's no need because we definitely agree on that part.
I'm curious, though: considering the price of the Wii SNES pad from the Stars Catalog, would you be willing to pay more for a SNES Mini, because I'm sure the cost for a more expensive controller will have to be factored in. And if so, how much more would you be willing to pay if the amount of games is going to be the same as on the NES Mini? Or will that depend on what games are on that list? (I'd suspect the most well-known games will be on there anyways, so once again there'll be something for everyone, but still)
As for the whole phone thing: I was still a Nokia fan when the whole iPhone craze started. I had a Nokia X6, great little phone by the way, and only after that one was done, I moved over to Samsung (Galaxy S3), because the iPhone simply didn't appeal to me.
@ThanosReXXX I don't believe for one second Nintendo discontinued the NES Mini due to a low profit margin. I expect the real reason is far more convoluted than that. But none of use will likely ever know the real truth behind it all.
I personally think the SNES Mini should at least come with 30 of the best SNES games, a proper length controller cable, and a power adapter in the box, for £50 in the UK. The shortcut command is just a bit of code, but that should be in there too.
It should cost absolutely nothing more to make a SNES Mini compared to what it cost to make a NES Mini: The tech in the NES Mini was already way more powerful than necessary and enough to pretty much use the same on the SNES Mini too; only the physical casing would change, and there's zero reason a miniature SNES mold should cost more than a miniature NES mold. And there's no extra cost for Nintendo just because it's SNES games rather than NES games either; they're still basically just a bunch of ROMs of decades old games that Nintendo can chuck in there as it sees fit for almost entirely free, other than some third party licenses, which it already did on NES Mini too. The extra length of the controller cord is only going to add pennies, which doesn't need to result in any additional cost on our end. And the power adapter was bundled in other countries, so this was just a case of Nintendo taking the p*ss out of the UK consumers.
So, yeah, I expect to see the SNES Mini for no more cost than than NES Mini, with all the stuff that made the NES Mini great plus the fixes for the couple of things that didn't. And, in an ideal world, I'd like to see Nintendo go one or two steps further this time too; just because it can and because this is the kind of thing consumers actually appreciate and respect, and is the reason they praise a company and its products and maybe encourage other people to try them out too. You can't really trick people into genuinely loving you--although I'm sure the allusion of short term infatuation can be somewhat bought--but it will hardly even be their choice but to love you if you treat them with proper love and respect in the first place. Nintendo can win the minds and hearts of gamers and consumers at almost no extra cost, and even a tiny bit more cost on its end is probably worth it in the end--as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, I was a Nokia guy too when the first iPhone came out--I can't remember what it was the Nokia phone was called but it was the one that was really popular at the time and is iconic now--and it took me a while to finally see what the hype was all about. But once I got my iPhone 4 . . . I understood.
Plz include Star Fox & Yoshi's Island.
@impurekind I see you mentioned that longer cable again, TWICE. You must have missed the part in my previous comment where I suggested we skip that part since I totally agree with you that there should be a longer cable, so I'm not even debating that. Same goes for the power adapter: totally agreed that it should be included.
Furthermore, you talk about the casing and its cost, I was talking about the SNES controller. The one in the Stars Catalog, which was for the Wii or Wii U, was available for 7000 stars, making it one of the most expensive items ever. You could buy one in shops as well, for almost $70, so with that knowledge now firmly planted in your brain, how could you not see that this controller could very well impact the price of the entire device as a whole?
At the very least, it has more parts than the NES controller, so it should be more expensive to manufacture either way, whether or not that is a few euros or more than that.
And you didn't really answer my questions, you just countered that it should cost the same, which is not really an answer to my questions...
As for that profit margin, take a look at this Spawn Wave video: the topic is his expertise because he's in a business that allows him access to such knowledge, so he knows what he's talking about.
The video itself about another NES Mini related topic, but if you skip to 7m00s, then he starts explaining about the profit margin and how it is calculated and what factors are factually involved with it.
@ThanosReXXX There's very little difference between a NES controller and a SNES controller in terms of how much it would cost to make and sell either. The price on whatever catalog is being treated like a collectors item, but the actual cost of making a bit of cheap plastic with a few standard buttons is pittance in this day and age. Let's stop pretending there's some kind of hidden costs here that we simply don't know about and that is how we will give Nintendo an excuse for charging us more than it should.
I mean, come on--reality check:
You can make basically an exact replica of the SNES controller and sell it at £2.49 and still turn a profit. Nintendo is just taking the p*ss out of people like you. And you're drinking the Kool-Aid.
And yes, I know the official controller is obviously more polished than the knock-off, but again, stop fooling yourself that this makes a bit of plastic with a few buttons go from a few quid to mass produce and sell to something like 60 quid, or whatever the hell Nintendo is charging.
I mean, Christ, you can buy an entire DVD player with moving disc drive and a remote with way more buttons and stuff than a SNES pad for £19:
This old stuff is very cheap to make now. The only additional cost Nintendo even has is a couple of slightly newer connectors and the licenses.
If you've held a NES Mini in your hands you know fine well this thing cost peanuts to make, regardless of how cool is it. Fisher Price could be selling it for 25 bucks.
Look at the stuff you can get for less than the price of a NES Mini:
Also, I'll keep mentioning the longer cable, shortcut command, and power adapter in the box--not for your benefit but because any chance it might even remotely make someone who works for Nintendo somewhere in the world pay attention to such things is enough reason to keep saying it until it ideally happens. You know my thought process on this well enough: If nothing is said then nothing can be heard, but if something is said then there's a least a chance it could be heard.
If Nintendo charges us more than £50 for a bare-bones SNES Mini it's ripping us off.
@impurekind No my friend, I'm not some gullible, doe-eyed kid that eats everything it gets served, and I'm definitely not drinking any Kool-Aid. I know full well what's going on. You must know by now that I am a sales & marketing professional, have been for more than 2 decades, so I know all about tricks and schemes and real cost of materials.
But that wasn't my point. And no offense, but what I was trying to get through your stubborn head is that the cost is whatever Nintendo decides it is, that is why I offered up the example of the limited edition SNES controller from the Stars Catalog. That price was totally ridiculous to me too, but it is what Nintendo charged for it: 7000 stars, something that almost no one can manage to collect...
And I also CLEARLY stated that it could just be a few dollars/euros more, but it WILL be more expensive. They may or may not factor it into the overall price, but as a precaution, I'm just taking into account that they might, so as not to be too surprised if the SNES Mini will be slightly more expensive: more advanced controller, more advanced games and also the hardware itself is more advanced. It may be old, but it is still leaps and bounds better than the NES, so that might still influence it somewhat.
Note that I say might. In my profession, you simply take note of ALL options, so not just A, B and C but A to Z. You keep the most likely scenarios in your line of sight, but still you always take account of the other possibilities, and in that way, you're always prepared and on your toes for the next move.
I apply the same method to my private life, and it works perfectly, so I don't think that it's very smart to be so dismissive of these other possibilities, because if people don't expect them or at the very least believe them to be possible, then they will be all the more disappointed or angry at Nintendo (or any company for that matter) if they DO happen, because they were blind to the possibility of it happening.
Something like that will hardly ever happen to me. I might still be somewhat disappointed in some things, but at least I saw it coming so I'll never feel any of the outrage or indignation that some people are displaying at times.
As for that example of the DVD player: you're right on some levels, and of course in general, appliances keep getting cheaper once the market is saturated, manufacturing costs can be lowered and production lines can be sped up and so on, but cheaply made stuff cannot and will never compare to quality products.
Sure, I could buy that $20 DVD player, but I should fully expect it to not last more than two years because the build quality is crap, and the playback quality as well, so it doesn't even begin to come close to the quality of DVD drives of well-known brands that have more high quality components built into it, and that also have far more options for playback, audio and expandability.
Fair enough about wanting the message to reach Nintendo's ears about the cable and adapter, but it doesn't have to reach MY ears. I fully agree with you about that, and you mentioning it in a comment to me makes it seem like you want to drive the point home to ME and there's no need for that since we're in agreement. It's actually quite annoying because it makes me feel like you think you need to keep repeating it to me because I'm not hearing you.
Well... I'M HEARING YOU..
Make it a side note to Nintendo then, or whatever...
@ThanosReXXX I'm not saying the same thing over and over again for you; you just happen to be the person giving me a good reason to continue to post comments where I can saying the same thing over and over again in the hope that someone at Nintendo sees it. And I do the same thing in every new article that comes up that allows me to make the same points over and over too. Hopefully a few other people who think and feel similarly are maybe encouraged to do the same. That's how I work in terms of hammering the points home that I think Nintendo should hear: I post them over and over in every single article and thread that gives me an opportunity to do so. You just interpret it as I'm saying the same thing to you over and over as though you don't get it; but I get that you get it--like I don't know you get it already--Nintendo, however, may not quite get it yet.
Also, I get that you believe Nintendo can price it at whatever price it wants, and clearly you're right. My entire point is to argue for what Nintendo should reasonably price it at that's best for us as consumers and gamers, not to keep repeating exactly what Nintendo wants to hear that reinforces its own view of what's best for it only, giving it more belief that whatever it does in its own best interests only is totally fine because everyone like you seems to be perfectly fine with it and accept that's just how it is and pretty much how should be (or at least that what I imagine someone at Nintendo reading your comments would come away thinking). That's what you and people like you keep doing every single time you throw out reasons and excuses as to why Nintendo could justify a higher price or even giving us less this time around or whatever; and I'm simply acting as the counter to that. If people like me don't say what's actually best for us, and what we actually want, then it's left to people like you to only put across your way of seeing things, and you all certainly aren't doing any of us any favors.
As I keep saying over and over, in multiple threads too, I fight for the users.
Side note to Nintendo: Make sure the controller's cord is a practical length this time; add a shortcut command to return the main menu (probably pressing Start and Select together), put the power adapter in the box in the UK; make sure you don't actually put in less games this time around (put in at least thirty again; and don't put in crap ones either just so you can make an easy buck of morons and still sell the actual good ones to us once again via the Virtual Console or whatever), and get this thing out for the same price as the NES Mini--that's what all the people paying their hard-earned money for your products actually ideally want [at least] to be truly satisfied with their purchase and ultimately the overall end user experience. Don't just make the blindly loyal fanboys "happy"; actually try to make the people that are slightly harder to please--the one's that aren't blind fanboys but are still entirely possible to please--happy too. Happy now?
@impurekind I'm almost always happy, but your effort is truly much appreciated, so thanks.
And personally, I agree with almost all of it (even with more games for the same price as the NES Mini, but who wouldn't?), I just don't like negativity or people (and myself) being disappointed, so I always take into account Nintendo plotting their own course and doing what they do, so I have to apply some dose of realism to my expectations to protect myself, lest I get needlessly disappointed because I could have seen it coming...
I think you should fight for you, not for others or at least not for anonymous online members. Considering the amount of discussions you get yourself into on a pretty regular basis, I'd say your fight isn't really appreciated, so why bother?
@ThanosReXXX It's not appreciated by some of the overly loyal and defensive fans in here, who are often their own worst enemies as far as I'm concerned, but I'm confident that many other gamers out there appreciate someone fighting to get them the best possible experience at the best possible cost, whether they're aware of it happening or not, especially those gamers who might have once played and loved Nintendo consoles but just aren't convinced by Nintendo's actions and offerings in the last few generations. If Nintendo basically did what I suggest most of the time then I believe the vast, vast majority of us would be happier Nintendo gamers in general, fanboys and everyone else alike. And I simply want to be a truly happy and satisfied Nintendo gamer again (which I know is entirely possible); so I fight the good fight, definitely for me but also for everyone else just like me. . . .
My prediction is only 20-25 games will be included:
Super Mario World, Yoshi's Island, Zelda LTTP, Super Metroid, Kirby's Adventure 3, Pilot Wings, F-Zero, DK Country, Super Punch Out, Super Mario RPG, Final Fantasy 6, Secret of Mana, Street Fighter 2 Turbo, Final Fight, Super Ghouls'n'Ghosts, Castlevania 4, Contra III, Axelay, Gradius III, Super Adventure Island.
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