The Nintendo Switch has now been out in the wild for over a month, and overall it's fair to say that it's picked up solid momentum. Sales and demand have been high, retailers and analysts have talked positively about its prospects, and a mix of interesting download titles along with (arguably) one of the greatest games of recent times at retail have done little harm. Negative publicity wasn't completely absent, with the left Joy-Con connectivity problems being one of the more valid and consistent bugbears, but Nintendo's new system hasn't flopped in its first month - in fact it's had a strong start.
Of course what comes next will be important, especially as Nintendo seeks to turn a reasonable start into a successful first year. It's also fair to say that at present the system is a basic gaming machine - it plays games, and some of them are rather good, but it lacks a number of features that Nintendo gamers want, and also some apps and services that general consumers expect from an entertainment gadget.
There's lots Nintendo can do to take its system to the next level, and not many of them will be too hard to implement. Now that the mission to get launch sales into the books for the last financial year has been achieved, Nintendo should add some cherries to the Switch icing.
We think five key areas stand out, so let's list 'em, shall we?
A Pre-E3 Showcase and Promotion of the Near-Term Line-Up
In past years Nintendo has timed a relatively substantial Nintendo Direct for April / May, essentially to reveal and cover anything that isn't being held back for E3. Hopefully something like that is in the works, and it'd likely have a bit of 3DS thrown in too; there's plenty for Nintendo to cover.
First of all, the next month or so should fit the timing to reveal a lot more information on ARMS and Splatoon 2, and let's not forget that neither of them actually have release dates as yet. The Splatoon 2 Global Testfire gave a fun warm-up, but much of the colourful shooter is a mystery. We've seen plenty of screens for stages, weapons and clothes, but online modes and the single player campaign have stayed off the table. This is a game that could easily have its own dedicated mini Direct.
A broader info drop, whether through a Direct or a bombardment of trailers and social media announcements, would be welcome. Nintendo could take the opportunity to promote interesting April and May releases that aren't Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, including third-party efforts like Ultra Street Fighter II: The Final Challengers and Disgaea 5 Complete. A broadcast focused on these sorts of games, with some Nindie gems thrown in for good measure, could provide a timely reminder that from late April onwards the Switch will have a relatively busy and enticing line-up.
Virtual Console
Outside of the quirky premise that subscribers to the Nintendo Online Service will get monthly access to a NES or SNES game (with 'newly-added online play') from Autumn / Fall, we've heard very little from Nintendo on the Virtual Console beyond nudges and winks. Considering the consistent role of the VC since the Wii days it's a little odd that Nintendo hasn't said a darned thing about it in real terms.
The now-ageing rumours, of course, suggest that GameCube will be a tentpole platform to join the range, but outside of that not much is clear. Will Nintendo rethink and shake up its pricing approach to these retro games? Will there be an intuitive and easily-claimed 'upgrade price' for those of us that have bought Super Mario Bros. 3 on three separate occasions? Will My Nintendo have some neat VC incentives? Will the emulation actually be good?
It's a little strange that Nintendo has said so little about the Virtual Console, but we wait nonetheless.
Extra Doses of Nintendo Charm
This is a subjective one, perhaps, and when we say this we're referring to the user interface and how 'Nintendo' it is. We think there's quite a lot to like about the quiet home screen and the quirky whistles, beeps and boops when navigating around menus, but there's also the sense that it was another area pushed out in functional but unremarkable form. It would be nice, certainly, if there were optional additions to make our systems feel that bit more Nintendo-esque, especially as they would help appease some of the smaller complaints some have about the Switch.
HOME Themes could be a fun start - these have been a charming part of the 3DS for quite some time, and it's obvious that they're planned for the Switch; every system has a choice of default light and dark themes right out of the box. Another thing some want to have is ambient music, for the HOME screen and the eShop; it wouldn't do any harm, and Nintendo could implement a simple Music On / Off button to give users a choice.
As for the eShop, perhaps it could also be a tad more interesting and take a lead from the Wii U equivalent. In terms of raw functionality the Switch eShop is Nintendo's best yet by quite a distance, simply because it's really fast and efficient, and doesn't do that odd Wii U trick of taking an age to process a purchase. The functionality is there, but it's a bit charmless, with neither the varying music of the Wii U or the happy shopping bag of the 3DS. It's clear and easy to use, but it has all the excitement and flair of a banana sandwich - spice it up a bit, Nintendo!
Data Management Improvements
The Switch wouldn't be a typical Nintendo system if it didn't have a few head-scratching aspects at launch, and it has a couple of beauties related to storage and how we manage our data. They lack any semblance of logic from an end user perspective, and highlight the fact that Nintendo is still unwilling to completely cede control - if Nintendo made shoes they'd probably all be Velcro, as the company wouldn't trust us to tie our own laces.
Let's start with save data and the madness of how that works at present. The only thing you can manage properly are Screenshots - you can choose where they're saved, manage images, and easily pop out a MicroSD and move them onto a PC; it's easy peasy. Save data? All you can do is delete it. You can't make any backups, and save data is put on the system memory by default - so if your Switch dies or gets stolen you're reliant on Nintendo having the means to retrieve that data for you; make sure you note the serial number on the bottom of your Switch, by the way, in case it does get nicked. In summary you can't create or manage any kind of backups (either on memory or the cloud), nor can you opt to keep save data on your external storage. It is 2017.
It's not much better with software. On Wii U you could move files around between the system and an external hard drive, you had the choice. The moment you put a microSD in your Switch games install by default to that memory and you have very little control. You can 'Archive Software' - which means the game is deleted but the system will keep the save data and HOME Menu icon - Delete Software, or 'Check for Corrupt Data'.
This is all a bit odd and unnecessary from Nintendo, and is easily fixed. When quizzed about cloud services, for example, Nintendo of America's Reggie Fils-Aime said "wouldn't that be wonderful" and then the usual "nothing to announce today". We hope these quirks in data management are the result of the system rolling out before full testing on proper solutions was possible. Time will tell.
Streaming Apps
In this day and age devices like the Switch should have a decent suite of video streaming apps - heck, the Wii U and 3DS had a decent collection between them, with the home console boasting the likes of Netflix, YouTube, Amazon Prime / Instant Video and Crunchyroll. The Switch in particularly well suited to this because, whether you like it or not, the console is a tablet. As a result it's great not only for watching video on TV but as a portable, and we've been impressed with how good videos look on the device based upon eShop trailers and the Breath of the Wild series that was uploaded into the 'News' section.
This is likely to happen at some point, and if sales momentum stays strong you can also bet that companies will accelerate their efforts to work with Nintendo. For its part the big N has said it's talking to and working with video providers, so hopefully it's just a matter of time.
Those are key areas we'd like to see improved in the coming weeks and months. Let us know what you want to see on the Switch down in the comments.
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I love my SWITCH!
Its cost needs to come down too, both the console and accessories. You also left out 3rd party AAA support(probably because it doesn't really have any). "Some Nindie gems thrown in for good measure" isn't going to cut it. It needs a browser too as part of its Apps.
It's about time we get some GameCube games on the Virtual Console. I'm sure as heck I'm not paying $70 for Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance. Oh, and cloud storage would be nice as well.
Just give me VC already! I wanna play N64 and SNES games on the go!
Also, customized home menu backgrounds would be nice, too.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I agree, the accessories are expensive, but the cost is really good for what you get out of the box. I'm happy enough to not feel bad for purchasing it with what little money I had.
I've been taking screenshots like a fox but actually using them is a minor pain. Posting to social media only allows for one picture at a time, whereas both current options allow 4 or more. And if one was to remove the microSD card so they could post these pictures themselves and tell a story with them, the system has to be fully powered off.
I would like USB-C storage support in the handheld mode to get around this. Plug in a flash drive with the USB-C connector into the charging jack and transfer screenshots that way. If they're committing to using this standard, they ought to get the most out of it.
Also, I have a hunch that the lack of background music is part of what makes the interface so fast to load. Less data to keep in memory and all. I do miss the quirky eShop music, but it's a small price to pay for even easier and quicker accessibility to it.
I think the cost of the system is spot on. You get so much tech in the box I can't conceive how they could make it much cheaper. Plus I have vast amount of disposable income so I spend most days disposing of it as quickly as possible. I've got my eye on a £200 Dualit toaster. Imagine how good the toast will be coming out of that thing!
Sky go 🙏
Just more games coming will be a great start
1) Home menu themes
2) Virtual Console (GB, GBA, NES, SNES, etc.)
3) Cheaper accessory pricing/Alternative accessories with less gimmicky tech (I don't need IR sensors, HD rumble, and NFC sensors in my controller)
4) Pre-E3 Nintendo Direct
5) A bunch of new games announced at E3, and release dates given for the rest of their 2017 releases
I would love to see Home themes as an incentive to purchase digital games as opposed to physical. Physical gets you the game, and a nice box to display, digital gets you the game and a cool theme, maybe an exclusive, maybe not. I would also like to see them sold separately of course.
"The Switch in particularly well suited to this because, whether you like it or not, the console is a tablet."
Hey @NEStalgia how's it going.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE But dat third party on the Switch tho!
I'd like to see virtual console with NES, SNES, Sega mega drive games. Other platforms from the Wii service also welcome.
Home themes. Not just game related but different colours. They could have a neon red and blue theme.
I strongly agree with data management. Being able to back up all types of data to other SD cards.
Proper hours played!
Virtual console and a new Direct would be nice.
I agree with everything here. With key emphasis on fixing the issue with Save Data (having choice of where to back it up I mean) and the start of the Virtual Console and how purchases of games from the 3DS and Wii U VCs will be potentially carried over.
I just need games personally. Love the hardware and the utility of it but just have nothing interesting to play on it. Haven't touched mine in a week since beating Zelda and probably won't again until mk8. VC would be awesome to relive some childhood memories with my kids now. Other minor things like media apps and transferring save files would be welcome too but all about more games for me.
@BigBadJohn Get a girlfriend John, they're fantastic at disposing income!
Well done!! This list sums up everything I want to see Nintendo do with the Switch. Also it wouldn't kill to have an achivement system.
All I want is more games!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE why does the console cost need to come down?
you can't judge it's price by systems that have been on the market for 5+ years because it's a brand new system
if anything you should judge it by the PS4 and XB1 LAUNCH price and in that regard it's cheaper than both systems were when they launched, the XB1 was over £450 when it launched and it wasn't even capable of being used as a mobile system either
1) Games
2) Better Battery
3) Lower Price
4) Activity Log
5) Games
Achievements, achievements, achievements please!!!
Without a doubt they need streaming apps. While it may seem silly to say that because every device has these apps it is just extra convenient to go from one thing to another on the same device and with how snappy the Switch's UI is this would work out great.
On top of that the fact the Switch is a portable console makes these apps more helpful because instead of at home there being a dozen devices with the capability of streaming on the go the only other option is a person's phone.
A Direct is badly needed. We need to see more of upcoming Switch games, get actual release dates for Indies announced, and see 3rd party support coming. It would be super idiotic to wait until June and E3. VC and cloud saving seem like they need to be available ASAP in particular.
3DS also needs a Direct - where is Pikmin and Ever Oasis? Other than FE Echoes, there is nothing at all coming to 3DS this year I plan on buying so far
@XCWarrior A activity log is something I was shocked was not on the Switch. Also the first thing one of my friends asked me when I showed them the Switch was can you check the activity log so I can see how much you played Zelda. It is such an odd feature to take out after everyone I know loved the 3ds' log and despite the wiiu's not being as great they still enjoyed that (everybody being everybody who owned those said consoles).
Yeah, I had that realization last week. This is a tablet that just so happens to have physical controls. Give me an email app and a browser. Good 3rd party ones. ...other apps that would rock the house would be Youtube, Twitch, Kindle Reader, etc.
Give people more reasons to pick up their system and you'll sell more.
The eshop needs help. Did you notice, at least in the US, I am Setsuna doesn't even show anymore, unless you search it by name?
There's no list to find it in, so unless you specifically search for that game, it is nowhere to be found on the eshop. Considering how few games there are, it should be shown along with the others. How many other games are hidden like that?
@cmk8 I want this so damn bad. Achievements keep me playing a game that I'm otherwise done with
I would like them to address the issues of the left joy-con, the scratching of the system when it's docked, and the newly-found bending of it.
1: Want more depth to the online functions
2: Want custom themes like the 3ds had
3: Streaming Apps
4: Internet Browser
Background music for the eshop. Be able to send messages to people on my friends list. Be able to turn the power to the system off via remote/pro controller. And let's get Double Dash and Metroid Prime up there on the VC.
Being able to toggle Wi-Fi on and off with the quick menu would be nice.
A lot of good suggestions already. Here's one I want improved: a less godawful range for WiFi connectivity. I can't play in the TV I want because of it (docked).
While I do appreciate the sleek minimalist interface on the Switch, after the Wii, Wii U and 3DS, the Switch home menu just seems so unsettlingly quiet by comparison. And the eshop is just plain awful. Dumping all the games onto one screen without any categories makes browsing for new titles really dull. I'm hoping this gets sorted out as more titles are added.
Funny. None of these things bother me. The software is coming, vc is only an addon I don't care about, I love the interface, I really don't need apps that much...
The only thing I can agree with is the data management. It's decent though, we can archive and it'll work. I want the cloud saves and all that though...
The lack of Netflix and Spotify is insulting.
@FullbringIchigo No you shouldn't judge it by those prices at launch. What people care about is what does it cost now.
@Skunkfish I've got a wife buddy, they're even better 😉
Dear god please no ambient home screen music. I hated that music on the Wii U, I cringed every time I heard it, always raced to turn it down. Same for the PS4 menu music — not as bad as Wii U but still annoying. If I wanted to hear ambient music I would play some from my own much better music collection, not the lame elevator ambience they choose for home screens. I like my XBoxOne and Switch menus as they are — quiet.
What they do need to add is a "power off" option from the sleep menu.
Yeah, I can agree with all of those.
In the near-mid future I'd also like to see a price drop too (ideally down to £200 in the UK, but even £50 less would be great), a much improved battery life, the inevitable Joy-Con colour variations and other limited editions (including the gorgeous semi-transparent coloured ones like the N64 had once upon a time*), a decent internet browser, and obviously much more AAA third party support.
But that Virtual Console: Christ, do I want Nintendo to finally deliver the fully realised Virtual Console we've all been dreaming of since E3 2005.
I'll repeat what I've said many times now: The Switch has the POTENTIAL to be one of Nintendo's all-round most satisfying console experiences ever. . . .
*http://www.inceptional.com/2016/03/02/i-love-me-some-semi-transparent-systems/
@cmk8 GTFOH!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE At this point, the system is staying pretty much sold out. No company would lower the price on an item that they're having a hard time keeping stocked. The price drop will come when the system cost less to manufacture and sales start falling behind target. As for right now, the price is right where it should be.
I'll get a microSD if they let me have the VUDU app, and I can download my favorite movies to watch anywhere. My iPad does that, but not everybody has an iPad Pro. Also, I'd rather take my Nintendo to a friends house or my mom's at this point.
More games, more games, and more games.
There wasnt a direct April/May 2016 though was there?!?!
Oh, minor warning, everyone. This morning i took my Switch out of the dock, but it wasn't seeing the right Joy Con. Ij fact, pressing any button on the right joy con didn't get any of the lights to turn on. I had it charging overnight too.
Luckily, this has a simple fix: press the sync button on the right joy con in its detached state and wait a few seconds. It came back on and worked fine ever since.
@ThomasBW84 @rjejr
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"The Switch in particularly well suited to this because, whether you like it or not, the console is a tablet."
Hey @NEStalgia how's it going. "
It's a tablet FORM factor, Tom, not a tablet. It doesn't do 80% of what a tablet does and does the 20% much better.
Don't make me get medieval on you
I'm honestly surprised there was no option to use an in-game screen capture for Home Screens to tide us over until official Home Screen layouts are released.
Oh wait, nm, this is Nintendo, nothing should surprise me at this point.
Major injustice in this article, @ThomasBW84...
...there's not many things on this earth that excite me more than a banana sandwich!
Erm, something something more official info, something save management.
I just want a way to back up saves, themes, streaming apps (YT and Twitch especially), and a nice VC line up. Most if not all of these things will happen eventually most likely.
@ballistic90 I thought I was the only one and ignored it, I discovered the fix within a minute. I also discovered that the joycon wasn't put in the console all the way the night before, it pulled right out.(but that shouldn't have anything to do with the issue)
@BigBadJohn Wanna play Bomberman with me? Just send me the funds for the game, a pro controller and the Switch itself, from your disposable funds.
Pretty please?!
Home themes, GC VC support, and the announcement of other joycon style accessories that can lock in would be fantastic. VR support is something they finally need to explain, 720p will not work for VR and I think we may have another 400-500 dollar VR accessory (looking at you my lovely wallet defying PSVR),albeit with its own screen and power supply. Also take that weird supplemental computing patent from forever ago and it may have its own hardware to boost the switch, we don't know.
Something must really be wrong with some console owners these days. Your console needs a Web browser? So, you don't have a phone sitting right by you? A tablet? Another console? A PC? The Switch is the ONLY system you have? That's horrible. Anyway, I have had all the consoles and have yet to use a Web browser. I have a tablet, a phone, and a PC for that.
Still can't find any. Gonna go on a couple hour search soon.
@JudgeMethos I used the Wii U web browser often but only because I could stream from plex, once I stopped using plex media server I never really used a console web browser again (minus the here and there testing to see if I could watch dragonball super on my ps4)
1. More games
2. Glass screen
3. Trophy System
4. Pro version?!
5. Phantasy Star Online 2
@Amsterdamsters Right 90%. Not when they release so few units (2 MM, really?). Also, there is not an online merchant in the US that has it, just scalpers. How many of these units were sold to scalpers? There is a guy in eBay selling it for 450, and claims that has 10+ units and has sold more than 90 units!!
A way to communicate with your friends list would be good. 3ds had that.
I still quite like it that you get to watch the features slowly be added, it means more that way watching your Switch develop.
@maceng Possibly as Bomberman hasn't had much love from me (profile says I've played it for a few minutes). I tell you what I'll think about it and get back to you.
Great suggestions, totally agree with the VC points. Hoping they do pixel perfect emulation, especially on NES titles. They look horrific on the Wii U.
It's not a problem yet, but I think the e-shop will need to be adjusted soon, otherwise it will be impossible to find anything when the switchs library has expanded
I'm curious if they will do anything like the Nintendo World Championships this year for E3
Wouldn't mind more Home menu themes - though these are obviously coming. But I'd really appreciate having more games to play. Right now. I understand taking a different approach to Wii U, but this isn't the first time I've bought a console immediately and had to wait out an early drought. And while I'm normally fine with it - japan got Disgaea 5 day one - along with a couple of other titles to keep them happy. What did we get? Literally two games. What the heck?
As much as I'd like to see it, if Nintendo were serious about GCN VC they would have included 'analogue' triggers on Switch - why they dumped them in the first place starting with the original Wii 'pro' controller I don't know - probably save 0.01p per console in manufacture.
The only way Nintendo are going to offer GCN VC is if demand for the Switch collapses and they need the rest of their old faithful back on board.
Anyways GCN VC is readily available on Wii U, with support for all controller brands, progressive scan, wide-screen patches and much, much more. I fully enjoy my whole GCN collection on the Wii U console which is great.
As for streaming apps we've seen all Switch owners on here decry the need for them. So Nintendo should stick to their guns and refuse streaming!!! 😁 😁 😁
I need a browser that runs Youtube well. Netflix and Twitch and that's it for streaming. About 10-15 more big AAA 1st and 3rd party game announcements. I'm sure the UI will get an update, they always do. Joycons that don't desync and I'm golden. Tempered glass screen protectors are only $8 or $9 so that should be a given to the scratched screeners out there. Pro controller price drop to $50 and I'm golden.
3rd party games and streaming apps
yes bring back the nintendo charm..the eshop music...please
Just more games!
Animal crossing Switch!
Kid icarus Uprising 2!
Pilot wings!
(Oh.... and metroid....that would be nice...)
@JudgeMethos
I have all them things and still want a web browser and media apps on Switch. More functionality is good. Functionality sells. If you don't want that functionality, don't use it, but there's no need for it to be withheld.
I'd like to actually see the system in stores. It's looking to be another Wii problem, you only see one in a store that is already sold to someone and you don't see another again for about 2 months.
My own list of 5 Nintendo "must haves" for the Switch going forward:
1. Games. (and not junkware)
2. Games! (and a web browser)
3. Games!! (and Nintendo VC content)
4. Games!!! (and a music player)
5. Games!!!! (and apps)
Thank you
Amen, amen, amen.
1. Save data backup to micro sd
2. Cheaper accessories
3. Hulu, netflix, even some comic book apps (marvel, idw)
4. more games (i want some current gen fighters)
5. VC- Gamecube (soul calibur w/ link, star wars, double dash, ect)
5 Things for Switch improvement:
1. Price cut. Both machine & accesories.
2. Color variation. Japanese love White console (Japanese got White Wii U 32 GB while USA/PAL didn't) so why don't put White color or Blue or New color added.
3. Virtual Consoles: Gamecube, Wii and older Nintendo games.
4. Folder to organize game Apps icon. Also with more color Background variation, not just only Black and White.
5. More port games from PS4 Indies like Shiness: The Lightning Kingdom, Earthlock: Festival of Magic, etc. Better released also in physical form by any chance.
Improvements?
Here are a few suggestions
Make Wi-Fi more stable, loses connection
A decent Virtual Console
Like Nintendo life suggests better memory/data management system.
My Switch refuses to connect to wifi unless I'm a metre or two away from my router. If that doesn't get fixed, I can't really enjoy Splatoon or any streaming apps so I hope something can be done about it.
Does the eShop have a shopping cart at least?
I love my switch but it has quite a few issue that need to be resolved.
JUST WENT TO WALMART AND THERE WAS LIKE 8 SWITCHES THERE ALL GRAY!!! FINALLY HAVE SWITCH AND 1-2 SWITCH!
@Ballzilla I have to disagree with that, the cost is expensive for what you get out of the box. It's more expensive than a PS4 but weaker in power. It depends on your usage though. Sure it can go mobile, but it's too way expensive if you don't want to go mobile and have no need for that.
@FullbringIchigo Brand new, but less powerful. Don't compare by age, compare by capability. As I said, the people that view it as too expensive want a console, not a handheld. The problem is, Nintendo chose to replace their console line with this rather than their handheld line. So that leaves a group of people with nothing (current) from Nintendo... at all.
I'd like to be able to save my credit card info.. I think it's ridiculous that wasn't a day one patch. I'd also like to be able to preorder games from the eshop
The interface is like a strictly better version of PS4's — screenshots and the store navigation especially — they just need to add more stuff to it and build it out.
VC is the big thing I'm missing atm. Hopefully the emulation is far better this time around.
Also, I'm quite partial to a banana sandwich. 😉
@SLIGEACH_EIRE As long as Nintendo sells the inventory they produce, it would just be bad business sense to lower the price. When sales start to cool off, that's when price cuts are supposed to happen.
Agree with it all. Mostly I want good E3 surprises and to know the VC plan once and for all.
Based on the time gap between Splatoon1 testfire and release, I think splatoon 2 is really really close to being ready, and I honestly expect it to be out sometime this month or next month at the latest.
Side topic, but does anyone remember that the Wii has to be patched for the sd card menu? Because it shows that even Nintendo will make big changes to thing like data management. Why worry about all this stuff today. It's a Zelda machine and if it keeps getting a big 1st party each month and a couple more indies each week, in a year we will be complaining about the back log. It will get most of the mentioned things in the article in due time.
I'm 100% ok with it not getting any apps or a browser because I have my iPhone in my pocket for that stuff. My switch and my Wii U/3ds are gaming consoles 99% of the time. Even my PS4 doesn't get used for Netflix or internet. Waste of memory and programming time, give me games instead.
1. Business partnership with Microsoft
2. Bluetooth headphone support
3. Longer battery
4. VC for all Nintendo boxes plus spectrum 48k and all other gaming machines made since 1972
5. Grilled cheese mode
Honestly the one thing I want is more information toward the future. I don't expect every detail on every game and every application coming but they don't seem to say much since the Switch stream in January.
@KIRO
This! I would love, love, love GameCube, Dreamcast and PlayStation 1,2,3 & 4 to come to the VC. I emulate the speccy on my DS but that'd be awesome too.
I need my VC and fast. Themes would be nice. I would definitely pay money for them. The eShop is currently so bare and disorderly. It's terrible. And I would be satisfied if I never watched a streaming video service on my Switch till the end of its life. About time we had a game console focused on games. I can watch Netflix on 15 other devices in my home.
@ballistic90 I had the same issue yesterday, it did panic me for a minute or two!
@KIRO Business partnership with Microsoft?! Like Sega and the Dreamcast? gulp
I don't mind making the eShop layout a little more whimsical and detailed but against making it "like the Wii U's" cos that thing drags through so much loading. Buying anything more than 1 item is a chore.
Plus we need a cart option to purchase multiple items as I like to see my final cost on screen rather than scribbled out on paper.
@Alshain01 I would argue that if you're looking for power, the Switch is not your best option. In my opinion, the price the consumer pays is fair because you get a home/portable hybrid console with a nice screen, good build quality that doesn't break like an iPhone if dropped, two controllers, a grip and a dock with all necessary cables. The Joy-Cons are packed with features not evident just by playing Zelda.
You must agree that having a basic option for multiplayer right out of the box and being able to use it as a hybrid makes it worth more than a $300 PS4 with a memory option that won't last so long due to the mandatory installs games need nowadays. The Switch might not have PS4 graphics but the Tegra chip has never been used in a better way and the games look good.
I agree with all the points said. We early adopters are all glorified beta testers for this system and get rewarded with being able to play Zelda:BotW on the go. I also enjoyed Snipperclips and Fast Rmx. However, it starts to feel long until the end of April when MK8 hits, and I already played that a ton on the Wii U. However, I will of course pick it up for the new battlemode and on-the-go play.
When I recently contacted customer service here in the UK, I was told that cloud saves wouldn't be a thing until/unless Nintendo can make them secure.
I don't like our chances of ever seeing better data management if that is truly the case. Manipulation of savedata was a major exploit path for 3DS.
More games and Virtual console is something everybody would want but I am sure that we will get it soon, so for me there are only two things I really want to see: the possibility to view (and keep in the internal memory and/or in the SD card) common photos, and an improvement that prevent the console from heating so much when docked because this console becomes really really hot, and not in the good sense of the word, when connected to the tv...
I think Nintendo should create new dev teams that are specifically just there to re-release Nintendo games from old consoles. They have such a massive back catalogue I think they need to up their game in this area.
Virtual Console and expanded data management options will obviously come shortly and I am eagerly awaiting both.
Not too bothered about streaming apps and a browser, as that's not what I bought it for, but I can see that they'd be helpful for shifting units to people who want it to be an all-in-one portable games/internet/media device. Never cared about themes and stuff like that as I want to fire a game up as quickly as possible - not bothered what the menu looks like before I do as long as it is easy to navigate.
I would like to see Bluetooth headphone support
@SLIGEACH_EIRE The accessories is what's crazy in my opinion. Considering what you get for the price, I don't think it is too overprice, but I admit $300 is a lot to ask from consumers.
I kind of wish Nintendo never went through with the detachable controller gimmick - just make them permanent, which should be the switch easier and cheaper to manufacture, and maybe even a bit smaller. I don't mind the detachable controllers, but I don't really think it was necessary either. Maybe in the future they'll have a portable only switch (No dock, no joy-con grip) at a lower price.
@Fandabidozi
PS Virtual Console ? LOL
If true, say hello to FF VIII, FF IX, Street Fighter Alpha 3, FF XII, etc inside Switch
QOL changes to the UI and what not are fine and all, but the Switch needs games. It must have the big AAA titles from third parties.
@Fandabidozi what!? How do you do that on the DS? My mind is blown. I've backed the spectrum vega + on indiegogo but , it's been delayed forever.
@Skunkfish heh. Point. No, I'm just trying to figure away to get Goldeneye on the Switch
virtual console very soon please or at least tell us when its coming!!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE well you could do it with the PS4 Pro and it's cheaper than that by about £70
You need a DS (not lite), an R4 card and the emulator is ZXDS, Roms are at World of Spectrum. You'd have to google all that to get it working and genuine R4 card may be difficult to get these days.
Anyway, the emulation is spot on and you can save states, switch between 48 and 128, even program it's awesome!
@Agent721
Just as a heads-up, there is a way to display everything in the shop, as well as filter it into lists. On the search screen, click "Search filters" without entering any keywords into the search box. You can filter the whole catalog by price range and genre.
@Anti-Matter
I almost, almost bought a Vita so I could play Street Fighter Alpha 3 and Final Fantasy Tactics on the go. Hopefully Switch is a runaway success and Sony release a handheld with PSOne games on it. 😎
@Mr_Zurkon
Why must it have them? Everyone has at least one box they can play them games on. Don't get me wrong, they'd be more than welcome, but I don't see any reason the Switch needs to be doing the same thing as three other machines but with worse graphics.
Definitely cloud support for me.
@TrixieSparkle
Nice! Thanks for the tip.
Right now, I just want a Switch. Stores are still selling out all stock same day where I live in the U.S. Don't expect major changes while they're still struggling to meet demand. They'll probably save any big changes or improvements for a period when sales start to lag a little.
@Ballzilla No, I must not agree, and I don't. Being able to use it as a hybrid is worth exactly $0 and multiplayer out of the box is nice, but not worth that much and I'd really just have 2 pro controllers rather than those joycons, so I'm going to be spending more, not less. Also the PS4 comes bundled with games. So if you are trying to compare the two, the switch at a minimum is $340 and that is assuming you DON'T get Zelda, getting only 1-2 Switch. If you opt for Zelda and not 1-2 Switch it's $360. That makes the PS4 $100 cheaper for a much more powerful system.
Ultimately, it's too expensive for what is in the box. If I bought a Switch, it would be permanently docked, never to be removed. It would include at least one pro controller but probably two, and the joycons would go in the trash. So the joycons, the screen, the battery, those are all completely worthless.
@electrolite77 So Switch will be relegated to secondary system status again. That is not a good place to be to ensure its long term success unless Nintendo can somehow pick up the slack themselves; an option they don't have the staff to do.
This is not a universal truth either: "Everyone has at least one box they can play them games on"
@Alshain01 Like I said, it's obvious the Switch isn't for you. You don't like the Joy-Cons and what they offer and you seem to prefer standard controllers. Plus you say you don't like the portability and wouldn't use it.
It's not like you want to buy it because you like what it offers and it's overpriced; you just don't like what it has to offer. I can't blame a launch day PS3 in 2006 for being an overpriced Blu-Ray player just like I can't judge a Switch solely on its use as a typical home console.
Playing with dual Joy-cons and exploring Hyrule is the bomb and it brings me back to playing Wii all chillaxed with my hands apart. And for some people like me, co-op out of the box is worth it. Controllers after all, are expensive, and not an easy decision for students that don't earn poop. In conclusion, show me the $260 PS4 you found with the pack in game, because that seems insane to me. And don't get me started on the mandatory installs on PS4 and its hidden costs.
*edit: I just realized you mean the original PS4 is $260. No one in their right mind would get an almost 3-year old console that chugs in 2017. Outdated hardware is not using what little money you have in a smart way if you can save for an extra 100-150 and get something that will work without lagging in menus/games.
@Ballzilla The problem, however, is I enjoy Nintendo titles and Nintendo has abandoned the console market. There is nothing on PS4 or XBox that I would buy one for and Nintendo is no longer offering anything for the console market at all.
I want the Nintendo games, I just want them on a console, which Nintendo had decided to abandon entirely. So everyone in that market that has loyal to them has been completely abandoned.
And yes, I meant the original PS4, which is STILL more powerful than the Switch. It may be outdated, but it beats the pants of the Switch. So in terms of pricing, the Switch is excessively overpriced for what it is. You say no one in their right mind would buy a 3 year old console, but if you bought a Switch, you bought at least 6 year old technology, because that's how much power it has compared to other consoles... unless it's a handheld and not a console, as I believe.
@Alshain01 fair enough, now I get what you mean. For people that want a full home console Nintendo experience, the only option is the now discontinued Wii U and that's not an option for you. What happened to the Wii U was Nintendo's fault starting from the confusing name and the developer-unfriendly architecture. It sucks. Had it not had such a rocky start things might have been different, but at least now we have a more focused Nintendo with more experience on HD development and scheduling.
I understand the original PS4 is more powerful than a Switch, but on the other hand the Switch is more portable than a PS4. It is also microscopic as oppose do to the PS4. My point is, the Switch is something entirely different and as a hybrid, very difficult to compare. Again when comparing graphics only, you say Switch tech is 6 years old. It's not. 6 years ago no one had such a thing in the market. Even nVidia Shield doesn't run as well as the Switch. The Switch benefits from being a Nintendo product, like it or not.
On the other hand, a launch PS4 is old hardware that chugs even in the system menu. You don't see that on a Switch. 6 years ago the Joy-Cons were not possible. The closest thing to a mass-produced, affordable and mass-purchased Joy-Con were the Wiimotes with Motion+. And even that didn't work as well as a Joy-Con.
If you want 4K Nintendo games with the latest bells and whistles then you're looking in the wrong place. How long do you think before the market stagnates? The PS4 and Xbox One are already interchangeable apart from some exclusives. What's next? It happened to the iPhone and it will happen to consoles eventually.
Me? I want innovation so I feel the need to upgrade. Otherwise, just get a custom built PC and call it a day.
@Ballzilla I'm not necessarily looking for 4k. I don't mind a weaker device, I just don't want to pay for a 4k device and get a Switch, which is what you do when you buy a Switch. I would be perfectly fine with the Switch if they made a second option, the same guts as the Switch, but in a new package without the screen and battery and no ability to go mobile. The lack of expensive components would mean it would be cheaper but it would play all the same games as the Switch. Then I wouldn't feel like I was overpaying for a console.
It's not the fact that it is weaker that is the issue, it's the combination of being weaker and too expensive at the same time. It's just a matter of value, I don't value the Switch at $300.
@Alshain01 It would be nice if they could cater to all audiences at once with multiple versions of a console but that is a really bad business tactic. It wouldn't be long before richer consumers demanded a more expensive, more powerful version since they can afford it. It's chaotic. My advice is for you to wait until the price goes slightly down and snatch one up. It's incredible.
@Ballzilla Seemed to work well with the 2DS, for those that wanted it anyway.
@Alshain01 Different story. 3D is a gameplay feature. It wasn't a switch (pun intended) from traditional console roles to hybrid thinking. Also it was supposedly bad for kids because their vision was still developing so it was a no-brainer to make a sturdy 2D-only version to entice parents too scared to jump on the 3DS bandwagon.
@Ballzilla It's pretty much the same scenario actually. A feature that some people don't want and a cheaper option. How is that different from the Switch?
@Alshain01 Like I said, one is a gameplay feature, the other is a console type. Multiple versions of a same console, each classified as a different type and a different experience can confuse and alienate consumers. Nintendo and any company worth its salt wants to avoid this at all costs. It also doesn't make sense from a developer standpoint. Some developers may not want to split resources, so then you have home-only games or portable-only. And how do you differentiate them in the market?
It's a messy process that would run any console company to the ground. Look at the history of the Sega Genesis and Sega CD and 32X. Calling it a clusternibelsnarf would be sugar coating it.
I get the reasoning behind your scenario and it's perfectly fine, but if we're being realistic and examine the game console market and its history, it's not feasible.
@Ballzilla No, the 2DS was a removal of physical hardware. Effectively the device type. It's pretty much the same scenario as I am suggesting. If they could do it with the 2DS, they can do it with the Switch. It's a perfectly feasible option. We aren't talking about separate games here. The home version would play the same carts as the portable one. They play the same way on the Switch in both modes, so all it would be doing is taking away one mode. The game itself would remain unchanged.
@Mr_Zurkon
The whole point of Switch is to combine their resources and have all their development concentrated on the same machine. There's every chance they can carry the weight of it on their own especially as they'll get indie and Japanese support. They'll need sports games if they want to keep pushing local multiplayer and get people to pay for online.
However-and I'd personally be happy to see Western AAA games appear-Switch isn't going to live or die by whether they do or not. The 3DS/Vita/Wii U combined sold over 80 million without AAA support and realistically a lot of those sales would be as a second console. XB1 and PS4 are at a combined 80 million sales now, take into account everyone playing AAA's on a PC and that's a pretty well saturated market. How much of that market is left for a fourth competitor touting weaker graphics than the existing 3? How much of that market would rather play Red Dead Redemption 2 in 720p (or less) on a portable than their existing home console? We don't know but I find it difficult to believe, for all the myopic obsession some have with the AAA market, that enough potential buyers exist to mean that not getting AAA games will doom the Switch.
@Alshain01 Again, I disagree for the reasons stated before.
2DS was the same handheld portable experience without 3D. It wasn't TV vs handheld. It was also aimed for children, hence the sturdy wedge design and Nintendo fans who wanted a budget console to play their favourite titles for $99 on Black Friday.
There has never been a Nintendo hybrid console until the Switch. Comparing it to 2DS vs 3DS is difficult since they are essentially both handheld-only.
Maybe your idea will be true in the future of the Switch's life cycle, most likely when sales stabilize after a couple of years. But right now, at launch, it would be suicide for Nintendo.
As much as I enjoyed our conversation it's getting a bit boring and it seems we've reached a dead end. Don't like the Switch. Don't buy it. All I know is, come Christmas, I'll be enjoying the shit out of some Mario Odyssey on my TV and on the go. Not because I'm a rich hole-in-one, but because I saved up for a whole year and supported Nintendo by buying a product that made sense for my daily needs and my budget.
Have a nice day
@Ballzilla And my suggestion would be the same game experience without portability. It's the same scenario as the 2DS, just catering to people who don't want the portability feature. Just like the 2DS catered to people who didn't want the 3D feature.
@electrolite77 Of the three systems you lumped together (Wii U/3DS/ Vita) only one has survived to what can be considered a typical life-span for a dedicated gaming device. Vita did well in Japan because of the Indie/Japanese market but that's it, it has become a niche machine for the part. Sony never delved the big games that they promised and Vita suffered for it. Wii U has been analyzed ad nauseam as to why it is dead before its time. That leaves the 3DS, it had pretty good 3rd arty support and enough of unique hook to get it succeed.
True, having one platform will help speed up and streamline development, but I am still skeptical they can carry the load themselves. I don't know how big Nintendo's various development teams are or how they compare to other studios though.
Nintendo seemed to think console games "on the go" is big deal given the Skyrim announcement. Personally I think having top tier games, sports titles included as I guess they fit in the AAA tent, available for anywhere play would be a very compelling case to get people to buy a Switch. Who knows, maybe I am an outlier in thinking that.
@Ballzilla No profanity please, thanks.
I reckon the eShop will be unrecognisable in six months time. It's needs a major facelift ASAP, as it looks like something that was put together last minute (probably was). If they can make it more like the Wii U's eShop, albeit faster, I think a lot more people would feel better about it, because at the moment it looks like a dodgy webpage.
@Joeynator3000 sorry about that
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