In this Talking Point, Arjun gives his perspective on the ports vs. sequels considerations for the Nintendo Switch.
The Nintendo NX - erm, Switch - has finally been unveiled, and it's arguably the lion's roar that the big N needed after troubles with its last home system. The Wii U has suffered a similar fate to that of the GameCube - an awesome console with some timeless titles, but it's been marketed poorly, has struggled to capture the public's imagination and has thus been largely overlooked. The Switch, however, at least in terms of its marketing so far, is a step in the right direction. However, it could be said that Nintendo has found itself in quite a unique scenario, in that some of its best core titles are still relatively new or unknown in their respective Wii U outings; yet the Switch is set to launch right around the corner.
Back in January, it was rumoured that Super Smash Bros. would be a launch title for the system codenamed "NX". Like me, this got plenty excited, but it wasn't before long that many were scratching their heads at the idea. Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U launched in late 2014, and both remain staple games in the libraries of many. We've had some great DLC implemented into the game which only helped keep it going strong, and so the last thing the franchise needs is making the switch from Sm4sh to Sma5h. It's way too soon, and the game isn't even close to needing an overdue sequel.
With that said, it could be argued that a new Smash Bros. is likely to be nothing but a port for the Switch, initially, and will perhaps contain a few extra characters and stages to really generate the up-sell to those still perched on the fence. It seems logical, for we also now know that the Switch will not be backwards compatible with Wii U and 3DS physical media, at the very least (though that was pretty predictable from the get-go).
Other examples come from the preview trailer we all feasted our eyes upon, albeit with Nintendo cautioning fans not to make too many assumptions on images added in post-production. In any case, concepts shown seemed to be sequels to or games based on Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon. Some believe it was a form of the Wii U's Mario Kart entry in the trailer, but the inclusions of King Boo - a character not playable in MK8 - and an additional item slot were cheeky little additions to the few seconds of footage we saw. The snippet of Splatoon footage also suggested that more new things are on the way rather than just a direct port, from Inkling hairstyles to spawn animations. If you take what was said about Smash Bros. above, it also applies here.
Of course, there are other possible explanations for both of these pieces of game footage. One option is both games being potential forms of 'Director's Cut' versions - a commonly used method to reinvent existing titles in a new generation, as seen with the many remasters on the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. Perhaps updated versions of Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon could have budget retail prices or reward Wii U owners who already own the original games with discounts.
It certainly isn't as outrageous of an idea as you might first think, especially when you consider the Wii U's lacklustre sales and short lifespan. Alternatively, these pieces of footage could also be forms of tech demos - much like both Zelda tech demos in 2001 and 2011 for the GameCube and Wii U respectively. Sometimes concept game footage in reveals do prove to be from a real game (like ZombiU initially appearing as a mysterious game in a pre E3-2012 presentation). In the case of these Switch 'games', all we have is the preview trailer and Nintendo's message advising fans not to bet the bank on assumptions.
Beyond this, another idea is that in the coming generation Nintendo could ditch numbers from their core IPs like Mario Kart altogether, and instead opt for regular DLC updates. Currently, it's unkown as to how the Switch will deal with the eShop, DLC and such, but it's interesting to ponder over the notion of consistent expansions being the evolutionary way forward in keeping games fresh and new, much like how Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros. 4 were handled. We've seen the growth of games as 'platforms', with Nintendo producing frequent paid and free updates to major titles in this generation, so it's worth considering.
If the rumours and footage are reflective of projects at least in the works, however, it's all simple, right? We're going to be getting ports of Super Smash Bros., Mario Kart 8, and Splatoon on the Switch as a way for us to continue to enjoy our favourite Wii U titles (as well as be up-sold to the new console). Well, not necessarily, at least in my humble opinion. If you look at Nintendo's past, core franchises such as Smash and Mario Kart have only ever had one edition per console. They're definitely not the types of games that need sequels in quick succession due to the plethora of changes and polish each successor receives. So does that mean that these ports (with a few additional features and perhaps constant expansions) are it for the Nintendo Switch? Or will the console's hopefully lengthy lifespan warrant Super Smash Bros. 5 and Mario Kart 9 as well? It's all speculation, but like I said before, Nintendo has found itself in a peculiar predicament courtesy of the Wii U's short lifespan and poor sales.
Before you say something along the lines of "What about Zelda? We got The Wind Waker AND Twilight Princess on the GameCube, as well as a port of Twilight Princess AND Skyward Sword on the Wii!" Well, my honest answer to that would be that you can't really compare single-player adventure games to multiplayer party/fighting games that are supposed to be played over and over. It probably doesn't need spelling out, but games like The Legend of Zelda warrant sequels due to them being single-player games with a definitive ending, whereas Smash and Mario Kart don't require sequels as often. This is why I've personally abandoned all sports and wrestling games. Can you imagine the lack of quality in titles such as Smash and Mario Kart if they took on the approach of games such as FIFA and 2K and were released on an annual basis? I shudder to think about that, but I digress.
The interesting point around all of this relates to Nintendo releasing three of its big guns in Smash Bros., Mario Kart and now Splatoon relatively late due to the Wii U's painfully short lifespan (though that wouldn't have been Nintendo's original plan). Will the company try to boost the first year or two of Switch sales with expanded remasters / Director's Cuts of Wii U games, with new names and some extra content? Is it going to shoot for full sequels? Will it be both in the coming years, thus breaking the 'one-per-generation' tradition of IPs like Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros.? Or perhaps in the modern gaming landscape of DLC and updates the very model of sequels and multiple releases won't be so much of an issue?
It'll be intriguing to see, especially if any of these games or concepts feature in the full reveal in January. Perhaps none of them will appear and the mystery will go on, but considering the fact that IPs like these are so bankable and important to Nintendo in pushing new hardware, that would be surprising.
Lots to think about, but let us know your thoughts in the usual place below!
Funny you should mention this now. I just sent in this story.
Smash Bros, Mario, and Splatoon: Nintendo Switch Launch Titles Leaked
It will also reportedly support NFC ID cards
.......Several upcoming titles that will be launched on the Nintendo Switch in the form of “Directors Cut” Editions. Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros. and Splatoon will be among the first to be rolled out as a premium edition for the Nintendo Switch.
All the games will include any previously released content, in addition to a whole new set of extras. According to the website MobiPicker, Nintendo is working with retailers to provide a trade-in system to upgrade their physical copies of the Wii U edition for free or a discounted price at the very least.
Super Mario Switch (title not confirmed) is supposed to feel like a combination of all previous 3D Mario titles. Control scheme supposedly somewhere between 64 and Sunshine. Some levels will connect into each other ala Banjo Tooie. For example, the ice hub may have a 2D level that connects you to the desert level. There is a new collectible that will unlock hats/ powerups/ allow access to new levels (a la metal boots in 64 to sink and access new areas). 2 Player co-op with Luigi will be possible with Joy-Cons.
Nintendo is working on a Rhythm Heaven game with Nintendo characters. Switch bundles will be $260 for basic, $300 for Mario bundle, and $340 for Zelda bundle with Pro Controller.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE That's actually a mad coincidence!
Where is the divide between a port and a sequel? If they release a Splatoon port with new weapons and maps I'd be tempted to buy.
I put a lot of money into the WiiU and it's available software. I am not purchasing a port on the Switch. Didn't go for it on the PS4. Give me a new experience for my hard earned money.
Definitive version of Smash 4 with stages and modes from both versions as a launch title? Here's an early adopter of the Switch then. Otherwise, no thanks.
I've come to hate the constant fan lust for remakes and remasters (but more that the companies respond by trapping us all in the 80s/90s as a result), but I think Nintendo could be forgiven if it's Wii U games. Sales were so poor that it's hardly nostalgia doing the necromancy here; it's that there were some good games no one played. Sounds fair.
Also, that part about imagining what it'd be like if Smash released annual like the 2k games or FIFA. Okay fine, you've shown me something scarier than a world of infinite remakes.
Ports will be bought!
I'm all for enhanced ports if they need to justify some of the development costs for Wii U games, and to attract those who skipped the Wii U, as long as they don't neglect new entries into those franchises
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I'm not sure I understand the card thing. What exactly would it do?
Also.... Damn. I was really, really hoping for breath of the wile to be a launch title rather than Mario. But either way, it seems gamexplain was onto something about the hat shop that was shown in the video clip. I trust Dale enough to believe all that as true
Ports will be much cheaper and quicker to make than new games. Plus a lot of people haven't got a Wii U to play the original games. Ports make a lot of sense while the Switch library is still small.
Gamecube > Wii U
It ain't even close.
I wouldn't mind it. Wii sold over 100 million consoles and only 14 million bought a WIIU. So go for it and try to sell to other consumers. Just do it in the release window. I hope the Big N will give WiiU owners some love though. Like an Ambassador's Program or something.
I'd completely forgotten the 3DS and Wii U versions of Smash Bros had different stages.
That's going to be a hell of a lot of stages if they include the 3DS ones and all the DLC ones too.
I don't think they'd do it.
I don't say "no" for ports, but I want next Mario Kart, Splatoon or Smash games on Switch. I played this games on Wii U a lot, so probably I won't be picking enhanced versions.
I'd like ports if they brought more to the table. A 'Super Smash Bros for Switch' that included HD version of the 3DS stages, higher quality music than the 3DS version, the inclusion of the Ice Climbers and some more additional characters, Smash Run (as well as or instead of Smash Tour), new trophies, and maybe something like the Adventure Mode from Melee? I'd be all over that.
If a port is adding much more gameplay possibilities, then yeah, I'm likely in. If it's just a bit better performance, I'm much less likely to grab it.
I gladly will buy Smash 4, Splatoon and Mario Kart ports with more and new content. Overall, I believe ports are an easy way of letting people who wouldn't wanna invest in WiiU play those games without giving up on the original's qualities like those 3DS ports do. As far as true sequels to any of these games go, well, it all depends on whether Switch is a success or not. If it is, you bet Nintendo will eventually give those franchise the Switch installments they deserve, maybe a bit down the line, though. Testing out the waters of Switch in the early months with ports is a good idea, I think, IF accompanied by new games from other franchises (like BotW or that Mario 3D game) because investing even more money in entirely new projects on a console that may fail, is a bad business move considering the stance Kimishima seems to take with Nintendo. Also, ports are an easy way to build out that launch line-up and we all know how WiiU and 3DS started.
Also, on a side note and this is unlikely to ever happen, but how about giving those who did invest in WiiU and bought the games that are receiving ports now, a price cut should they desire to purchase any of these ports, huh, Nintendo? I'm certain you have a way of knowing who has what game and who doesn't. Also, another side note, I do hope, if this happens, we get the same thing with VC games. Not gonna buy the same game for the third time!
"A unique switchuation..."
"Will the company try to boost the first year or two of Switch sales with expanded remasters / Director's Cuts of Wii U games, with new names and some extra content?" Yes.
"Is it going to shoot for full sequels? Will it be both in the coming years, thus breaking the 'one-per-generation' tradition of IPs like Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros.? " Yes. It's just a tradition,not a rule.
If Nintendo think I'm gonna pay full price for MK8 with an couple of new characters and stackable items they're..... correct but I'm not happy
I don't mind ports of games that might not have sold well initially but may have the chance to reach a larger audience. However they should never outweigh sequels and new ips. I think the wiiu for instance had a good ratio of new ips and sequels but not a large enough library over all (I'm just talking nintendo titles since 3rd party is a moot point).
That is my issue with the twins. I swear if i didn't also play JPN games both of my twins would be paperweights instead of just the xbone. Too many ports and not enough unique games or extensions of franchises that aren't annuals.
Disclaimer: I game most multi-plats on pc so all my consoles are exclusive machines. So that does mean that my console library is skewed down for the twins as opposed to the wiiu.
I do think trying to cite mario kart switch is misleading because MK reuses tracks, has one game each gen per system and we only saw a small clip.
It makes absolutely perfect sense. No question we'll see plenty of Wii U ports. Lots of games that deserve a bigger audience.
I'd be down with trading in physical copies of Wii U games for discounted copies of the Switch versions. Trade in Splatoon for Wii U and you get Splatoon on Nintendo Switch for $20. Something like that.
Current Wii-U owners need to remember that they are not the target audience for ports. There will be many Switch owners who never had a Wii-U and will therefore be much keener on the idea of Mario Kart 8, Splatoon and Smash Bros 4 on Switch. Since the Switch is not backward compatible it makes sense for Nintendo to bring them over as ultimate editions.
Having said that, it would also be nice if Nintendo made the additional content in the Switch versions available as DLC for Wii-U owners as well. Having the Switch and Wii-U versions compatible for online multiplayer would also be nice.
@yomanation but millions of people will be, so...
I mean it's no wonder why ports are so popular on PS4 and XBONE, they make money, and as we have seen and will see, there are even ports of ports being sold at FULL retail price, and they're still selling bucketloads, its just a way of life now for consoles that are no longer backwards compatible (although MS is slowly changing that)
With 90 millions of PS3 out there, when asked about the Last of Us remaster's whole point, they said not everyone owned a PS3.
So Nintendo would be very stupid not doing the same coming from 13 millions sales...
I don't mind playing (or not) MK8.5 while I'm waiting For MK9, it's not that all Nintendo devs are on the former so I think it's both fair and logic to do these ports/remasters/director's cut/whatever
Splatoon and Smash are just not for me, on the WiiU or NSwitch, but I know a few WiiU owners will buy the ports and if the NSwitch is a success then many many more people will buy copies without even knowing its a full complete port of these games with potential of even more dlc for both of course. Nintendo would be crazy not to port them for a launch.
As for MK8, yes, I would buy that port and would hope all dlc is included with a potential of more dlc for the lifetime of the NSwitch. Would love that. But I understand why people would have a big problem with it (ports), but at the end of the day, Nintendo want to make as much money as possible, just like MS, Sony, Steam, etc etc...
I get it.
But does this mean BotW won't be out for the Switch (maybe even WiiU too) in March? Pity if that's right.
I have a sneaking suspicion that BotW will be a download only game on the WiiU to get us uber fans to buy the NSwitch with a physical copy of BotW. Which, hmm, I don't think I'd have a problem with.
I'm totally ready to pack up the WiiU sadly. I have so many games for it but just no interest in turning the console on for nearly a year. I know as soon as I pack it up and put it away I'll want to play it for a day, so I'm putting it off packing it away lol.
I took from the rumor that it would be a trade in program for the stores, not the consumers. A place like Target would trade in their copies of Splatoon and get the Switch version in return. So stores do not have loads of unsellable games.
IMO, Nintendo may be working at full on sequels which stays near the excellent games presented on WiiU - its legacy of high quality games may not be ignored - improving on the areas they can or bringing features unique to the NS and still not revealed.
At a later point on NS life we may see ports and remasters, from the Gamecube to the WiiU.
I Nintendo can churn out 3-4 Mario Party games for any given console generation, I don't see why they couldn't give us at least 2 Mario Karts or SSBs...
The other important factor for Nintendo is that they need to have a very strong software line-up through the entire first year on the market. The lack of games in the Wii-U's first year was part of what killed its early momentum. Ports are an easy way for Nintendo to fill out the launch period while they beaver away on exclusive new games. It may very well be that during that first year many Wii-U owners are underwhelmed by what they are seeing on Switch because there will not be a lot that they cannot already play on Wii-U. By year two that situation will change as both Nintendo and their third parties start rolling out more original Switch games.
@RatKing64 No, but considering the way they're dropping support for the U so soon, they need to throw those owners a bone. Allowing Wii U owners to trade in their games for a heavy discount on the Switch versions seems fair, and will go a long way toward maintaining good will with U owners.
Of course, I still need something new and exclusive at launch. Not BoTW, either. If the news about that new 3D Mario is true, that might just be enough for me to pull the trigger at launch if the price is right.
@JonSpangler Ah. That makes sense. They should do the same for consumers who owned a Wii U, though. At least, if they want us to invest in another device after heavily supporting a console that ended up not getting very many years of solid support.
My money is on them releasing ports of Wii U games, then a proper sequel down the line if/when they've got something interesting to add to the series and change it up.
It's a smart move, who doesn't want a Mario Kart & Smash Bros as launch titles, they're both perfect for local multiplayer and to show off the Switch and get other people wanting one too. Plus releasing with too few games has been a massive problem for Nintendo before...
That is how I read it also. This is not about gamers trading in their Wii-U games for free Switch games. This is about stores getting rid of unsellable stock. One of the natural consequences of a console that flopped is retailers stuck with unsold inventory. Nintendo wants to make it easy for the big retailers to get behind Switch in a big way. It is unlikely that any such plan will trickle down to the end users.
Ports are okay. But there better be lots of new games. Moving the entire Wii U library to the Switch fay 1 won't make it a success.
Too bad. There was a joke in the about a mynintendo like discount.
With evergreen games fueled by downloadable content, it's great to have a good storage option /sarcasm.
Fixed this article for you.
I can't afford 5 games at launch!
I would be plenty satisfied with ports of Mario Kart 8 and Smash with added characters/tracks and other features. The Wii U didn't have a long enough life cycle to warrant sequels for these games in my opinion, and I'd prefer Nintendo's resources go towards IP that don't get games as often as Smash and Mario Kart.
I think they could have Wii U ports at launch as this would be the longest possible time before their sequels are released. So long as there aren't too many. Others could be released later in the consoles lifespan.
@ThanosReXXX You like it?!
How about a thousand year door remaster?...Please?
Making Smash Bros Switch as a launch title is essential, and adding FREE DLC will be awesome and help the console get off to a great start. The game should come with 4 more characters getting us to 62, than 8 more characters after that will get us to 70 which would be amazing and the limit most likely.
The game will come with
5 new stages, 10 3ds, all of Wii U
All 58 characters with the addition of
Kind of just spitballing here, but now that they have a lot more third parties involved could get more guest stars in smash. EA? Bethseada? Please let me here your ideas and wishes for a Smash Bros Switch
I wish Nintendo wasn't so quiet. Nintendo basically didn't release anything the last two years for the Wii and yet they were still short handed for the Wii U. Maybe they will blow the lids off of lots of games in January. But my concern is that both there will only be 1-2 new games at launch followed by the standard 6 month Nintendo drought.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE as much as I want your article to be true, it seems fake and your sources don't seem reliable. I have spent so much money on my Wii U and I would love free upgrades to the switch versions of games that I already have. ... but that seems too good to be true... and you know what they say about things being too good to be true... they probably are.
I hope we wii u owners get some something.
Well, for all that I care, Nintendo Switch could receive ports in physical form for every game released in every platform ever released. I bet all my coins and rupees on this Switcharoo.
Nintendo need new IP or they'll always be trading on nostalgia... in ever decreasing circles. Look what happened when their young guns got to make Splatoon.
If I can't play the big new AAA multi-platform games on Switch then I want SOMETHING fresh, dammit.
Better be sequels as they'd be hotter
Pretty sure they are director's cuts.
Haircuts and pants for splatoon? Yes pls.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Nope: https://twitter.com/LaurakBuzz/status/794259086107766785
I can already see Wii owners unaware of Wii U buying the Switch along that console version of MK8 and the untitled Mario game thinking they're both new.They'll be confused by the difference in graphics.
I thought the Animal Crossing direct implied (at a MASSIVE stretch) that a New Leaf port was in the works. Obviously it's pure speculation, but it does seem odd to update a game that's more than 3 years old on a console they're about to replace; and it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to launch the Switch with a New Leaf port. We'll see I guess!
@teamshortcut Not really: massively popular game, over 20m Animal Crossing amiibo cards sold, massive 3DS install base.
I'll buy it for 10 euros or something. Not full price.
Might work easily with the digital purchases I have though.
@yomanation It's not about speculation, good ports sell, that's just a fact. You may not want them or buy them, but they sell.
I agree, the Switch needs new games not ports to really woo people, me included, but there's nothing wrong with ports in so much as they add to the original and are not a quick cash-in.
I get the point is about launch titles, and of course if all Launch titles were just ports, that would be pretty poor, but obviously that won't be the case, although its very rare for Nintendo to have more than 2 launch titles of their own, so if they can cushion that with some ports, then why not?
If Nintendo is aiming to widen the user base on this home console even if it's just a portion of the 3DS-only crowd, making enhanced ports of the Wii U games is a great idea.
I do think it would be a nice gesture to give a discount path for Wii U owners of those games. If they are supported with extra DLC, a free (probably digital-only) copy with proof of purchase might even be an option.
In the end, though, Nintendo may simply rely on the enhancements to get people to double dip. It could work on all but Smash Bros. for me.
Splatoon is ripe for additional features.
I'd be happy with continued DLC for Mario Kart at the level we already got on Wii U which is unexpectedly excellent and a great value, in my opinion.
It's a natural fit from a developer perspective as well, because you get all the teams familiar with the new platform in the process of porting things over and work out all the new internal pipelines on proven games. The consumers get access to all those games they heard about on Wii U but weren't willing to risk a console purchase for. The Switch gets a deeper library of "exclusives" out of the gate because if you haven't played the games they are new to you.
Meanwhile a brand new Mario and Zelda in the launch window as well. THAT is a seriously strong launch.
I hope it's what happens, honestly. It might feel a little familiar to Wii U owners, but we'll be happy to have a console with a much bigger user base before long.
If these are just enhanced ports there is also the option that the switch comes bundled with one, I can see a switch mario kart or splatoon bundle really selling the switch especially if they go for a higher start price.
See, the majority of the people buying Switch will have owned a Wii U and/or 3DS and thusly will be buying these remastered games after already owning the originals.
Good! More reason to sell our WII U! Lets move to the next one and bring other games. Voila an other way to earn a bit money back so you can buy the switch. Go sell your WII U now guys! Don't wait
The one theme often overlooked is that, if Nintendo does re-release Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros and Splatoon as 'directors cuts', then they will only be perceived as modest updates to a relatively small number of users.
Remember; the Wii U console has itself been shipped less than 14 million times. This in itself is obviously a poor return, but once you factor in the number of owners that purchased the above titles, then you come to realise just how few people have played these games.
Mario Kart 8 is the best number - it has just under 8 million sales. Splatoon and Super Smash Bros have under 5 million each.
Assuming Switch is a greater sales success than Wii U, there will be vastly more new owners who never experienced these games originally. Therefore, Nintendo have an ace card in that they don't need to alter the games drastically, other than to polish the rough edges. It's just a case of re-releasing them on a better received system.
@Alucard83 if I do that what happens to the hundreds of pounds of Wii VC games I bought and then had to tediously transfer to my Wii U. I'm not even sure I'm going to be buying a Switch unless I know that all the games I have paid for can be re downloaded through an account system like PSN or iOS.
I just needed to point out that "Zombi U" came out of a project originally presented as "Killer Freaks From Outer Space"
I'd also like to point out that Smash 4 and Mario Kart 8 were seen as near-perfect games, and much better than their previous installments. Why put a bunch of time and effort into making a brand new game when a port with some fixes is highly likely to be a better game? Smash 4 could add the 3DS stages and modes, and maybe add some new characters. Mario Kart 8 could have that dual-item mechanic seen in the Switch trailer, along with new characters, tracks, and a fixed battle mode. Plus, those are two more low-effort games to add to the Switch launch window, and it would drive a lot of early sales of the Switch.
Im honstly not 100% on the swicth form what i saw with the wii u and how i feel about it now as a dead system with good games and i see the swicth wicth is what the wii u should have been. Next the swicth seems like a good single player system but the joy cons suck i hope it has has pad support but off topic im not buying the switch at launch on matter what because it feels like im being betrayed by that nintendo might port their best to the swicth i bought your failing system for your good games but then you port all the games i got to the next system it sounds good on paper and at a buiness stand point but you know what the swicth is it's this https://i.gyazo.com/6b1b5b9cebc8d1fb5c33dc8712df2411.png this is what pisses me off it bascily fills in what the wii u couldn't. Im moving to pc gaming soon because consoles are screwed nintendo just give us a normal system back off the invoatiton for a bit because if you put all your eggs in a basket and it falls and breaks your doomed. So all im saying in that the swich isn't worth it
I just want new games please. I already own all these games on Wii U, therefore there is no reason for me to want to buy a Nintendo Switch yet.
I don't think the Wii U had even had it as good as Gamecube. For one thing, it's controller is beloved (especially by smash fans). Gamecube had no gimmicks beyond being a funny purple box. Wii U's chief selling feature was dual screens in the game room, and it was rarely (if ever) used well enough to warrant it over solutions on a single screen.
Why on earth would you not want more content for your games? I'm fine with ports if that means I get games I already liked and are now even better out faster.
@BiasedSonyFan you would think that, wouldn't you! And it's things like that which drive me absolutely mad about Nintendo any more. Same deal back at the end of Wii into Wii U. No games on Wii, oh so they must be making all these games for Wii U instead, right? Nope.
@Kalmaro wait.... so you actually prefer the idea of buying remastered versions of the games you already own? Interesting...
@Alexmo Suit Yourself, But Pc Isnt Getting Nintendo Games Any Time Soon And We Already Know New Games Are Coming To The Switch.
I don't mind these games being on the Switch - but I hope it's not harming the chances of Mario Kart 9, Smash 5 or Splatoon 2 ever happening.
I also hope it doesn't harm the Switch. The Wii U had lots of 'last gen' games ported to it which made the console seem dated when it was brand new.
So... I think that these ports shouldn't do any damage, but if I were Ninty, I'd maybe space the releases out, or make sure there're enough new games there so that the Switch feels new.
No objections to the idea of exposing great games to a wider audience and using them to bulk up the launch window schedule, that's all great for the generation that skipped the Wii U, but there's no way I'm splashing down a huge wad of cash for a console and some games I already own.
I need compelling new titles (like Mario Switch hopefully) to make me want to invest in the new console, and the ports/remakes/directors cuts can help bolster the backlog and pad out the quieter months on the release schedule. But space them out, don't front load the machine, or it'll get a reputation as "the console the Wii U should have been".
Give it a year or two and the Wii U and the original versions of these games will be filling bargain bins. Can't afford a Switch? Here! Get a Wii U and the same games for a third of the price!
I won't be re-buying all the games I previously bought on the WIi U, there is nothing in it for me.
If Nintendo is confident of selling 2 million Switch units at the end of March, then they have got to have major IPs ready for launch day of the console.
It sucks for us loyal Wii U supporters who already bought these games BUT as the Wii U tanked then it is a financial necessity.
I'm ready for double dipping Mario Kart 8, as long Switch version offers some contents that Wii U don't have. Every single my games are like Ohana (Family). I will never sold or trade it with whatsoever reasons.
The more games they can squeeze into the first year the better. That first year matters so much when it comes to the success of a console. If they need to drop two, three, four ports to fill out the library and really sweeten the pot during the launch window and months following, I'm ok with that.
Just so long as there's other games releasing too.
Forgot the most important part... a proper battle mode for MK8. None of that "battle on the tracks" nonsense.
And given the price of MK8 season pass ($11.99 for 50% more game basically, wasn't it?) I don't think we have anything to worry about in that regard
"hope there is enough new content to interest Wii-u owners though"
New content? PS and Xbox gamers never seem to need new content to buy remasters year in year out. And my bet is that Nintendo gamers won't either
Everybody buys remasters, across the board. That is one thing where there is absolutely no discrimination between platforms.
The only one that makes sense as an exclusive in the "3DS is meant for single-player experiences" sense is PAC-MAZE, due to the Power Pellet mechanic that justifies the use of multiple screens. However, it could be easily tweaked for shared-screen gameplay.
Also, I really missed Onett on the 3DS version, as cool as Magicant was. Just wanted to point that out.
Nintendo could launch the NX with the same version of Smash Bros, and if the console proves a hit, not need to worry:
1) The WiiU buyers were such a small percentage (like 8-12%) of all Wii owners that they don't represent a big demographic to cater to.
2) They could launch these titles at heavy discounts for teh same version of the Wii U or with a souped version for full price, including all DLC. Or even the same version for 40 plus a Season Pass for 20 or so.
$250 with a digital copy of the new Mario game in the box and I'd be very happy with that value proposition for Switch. Anything above that is stretching things imo, especially once we cross the $300 threshold, and that's regardless of what's in the bundle as far as I'm concerned. I'll also have no complaints if it's true that all those enhanced versions of Wii U games are coming at or around launch at a minimal upgrade price or whatever, but I do want one or a few brand new flagship first party games at launch too. Even just two tentpole first party titles, like the SNES had with Super Mario World and (pick one: F-Zero/Pilotwings/Sim City), or the N64 had with Super Mario 64 and Pilotwings 64.
Fun fact: EB Games Australia actually has preorders open for all the games seen in the Switch Presentation, even though its been confirmed it is in fact trick photography.
For me, it comes down to two factors:
The game in question. With Smash Bros. this approach actually makes a lot of sense. The core design of the game and the way it handles hasn't really changed since Melee. I'm not complaining, but it's a game that feels like it doesn't really need a whole new title to justify it. However, I feel that Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon should have new titles in the series as I think there can be more evolution to come from either series. And as Splatoon is a new IP, I think it deserves to have a new title and be given a bit more credit and respect.
Also, it depends on what the bulk of the software launch line-up is. If it's just these updates, I'd find that a little disappointing. But if it is another set of titles alongside new and original ones, then it makes a nice extra.
I have spent so much money on my Wii U... I'm worried. I don't know how to respond to the Switch. I am not sold and I don't like the remake/remaster thing. I get it, but I don't like it.
Part of the problem with Nintendo has everything to do with new IPs, they should be giving us new IPs.
Go ahead and do Smash Bros, Mario Kart and Splatoon on Switch, but past that don't do any more ports or remasters, we've seen way too many of those on the other two consoles! Seriously, it's like the whole X1 and PS4 library is updated ports or remasters of last gen games, and that is just sad that people are actually buying them!
I wouldn't really describe the Switch as Nintendo's "lion's roar" LOL
I'm not that eager to buy MK and Splatoon yet again, esp. not if it's more port than sequel. I understand why they would opt to rather port successful WiiU games instead of coming up with brand new ones, but it is still a bitter pill to swallow for those who supported the WiiU all this time.
If these games turn out to be ports, then I think a discount (or retroactive 'cross-buy') and some form of 'cross-save' could help placate those concern.
Other than that, if their line-up consists only of ports (of their own IPs or 3rd-party like NBA, Skyrim etc.), then I will hold off on the Switch for the time being.
@Al_Godoy they gave us Splatoon, give them time to do more. They have so many characters and IP's that what they should be doing is bringing some of them back.
Nintendo, instead of giving us dozen of Mario variety games, bring back series like F-Zero, Kid Icarus, Metroid, a NEW Star Fox that isn't just a retelling of the same game, Ice Climbers, StarTropics etc.
I had already sold my Wii U before games like Splatoon and Captain Toad Treasure Tracker came out, so I would be interested in those coming over.
As long as their is plenty of original software to play too, I have no problem with Nintendo bringing over low-selling software and hidden gems to the Switch.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE price seems too low, going to have to take this rumor with less than a grain if salt based on what Nintendo has said in terms of sales.
@hYdeks Wouldn't actually be a good idea for the to remaster/remake if they actually sell???
What you said about why you abandoned sports and wrestling games was interesting. While I've never thought about Wrestling games, I've questioned fans of sports games for years what keeps them going back year after year. I never understood why they keep spending 60 plus dollars a year on those games, when it seems like the improvements they receive year after year could be done through DLC.
As long as we either
A. get the games for dirt cheap if we already owned them on Wii U with all the content intact
B. get new fleshed out entries in the future like Mario Kart 9, Splatwoon, and Smash 5
I'm ok with it.
There's definitely a sliding scale on how enhanced the ports are. If they were just exactly the same on the Switch it would be considerably worse for Wii U owners. Also, how much different/better Zelda is on Switch makes a difference about how "new" it will feel because it could be played on Wii U. Mario will be Switch only and totally new it seems.
I didn't mean to suggest that Wii U owners would be happy with only ports but I also don't think what was shown is any indication that we won't get new games either. Familiar games were used to help imagine the benefits of home console gaming on the go. If there is a significant new IP it wouldn't fit well in that teaser.
The game lineup isn't really known, but the launch period is a special kind of beast that needs variety to entice a new audience. Zelda, Mario, Splatoon, and Mario Kart is a really nice set of games along with the promise of conventional sports and third party open world games.
Why not? It stands to reason that if yo liked the game before then you wont mind more being added down the road while they work on a new game.
Not to mention that people that might have never gotten the game originally can get the new one.
Combining Smash 3DS and Wii U would warrant a purchase in my opinion. And so would a home console Fire Emblem package remaster.
@BiasedSonyFan I'd argue it's not even clever.
@Kalmaro to your first point, that "more" is going to cost you a cool $60. They aren't handing you a free DLC update to your Wii U version.
@JaxonH remasters sell on PS and XB because they also have actual NEW games releasing around them as well. Who knows what kind of software support Switch will have. If it's first party only? Forget about it.
Anything that could potentially expand the user base right out of the launch gate would be fine. A myriad of first party titles (remasters and new games) and a smattering of great third party games would be a winning combo.
They need as many games as possible in the beginning. Those 3 Ports will do a lot. We also need VC day one not that WIIU crap. (slow trickle). The new games of course: BotW, Super Mario, Pokemon, and the AAA sports: FIFA, 2K, and Madden. Not to mention the Skyrim, DQ 11, and Sonic(joke). Switch also needs shooters.
Nah, if a person wants to play a remaster they're gonna buy it, regardless of whether they're buying other new games or not.
I don't think they'll be ports... only sequels that are based upon the same models, etc.
All we're really basing the port assumption on is the fact that clips in the Switch trailer look the same as the Wii U games... but you have to consider what changes they would actually make if they did make a sequel... the general models and graphics don't really need to be improved, and there is always some content that is kept from previous games, especially in the case of retro cups in Mario Kart.
Doing this would still be a lot quicker than creating a new game from scratch, and be far more appealing to fans that just a port.
If it was just ports that they were doing, then I doubt they'd have shown us the footage they did in the Switch trailer... there are too many differences/additions visible, which they would have wanted to keep as a surprise at this stage... if they were to show us ports of existing games, then they would have shown footage that was almost indistinguishable from the current games.
@gatorboi352 First, the game is likely to be reduce if you already own the game. Second, it's giving you more of what you want. Looking at the Mario kart game, we're talking about changes that turn the entire game around with just the ability to hold two items. If you don't like that then that's your opinion, I for one wouldn't mind picking it up, Mario kart 8 was fantastic and now I'm looking at the possibility to play it again with a twist and on the go.
@VoodooTrumpet Agreed. I'm STILL finding games that I want try out (or play again due to regretful trade-ins) on Gamecube after all this time. Such a vast library to explore!
Wii U really didn't have much for me to get into after the first 2 years. I only have 6 retail games that I thoroughly enjoyed, and I'm sure most of them will be ported to Switch.
Same. My Wii U physical form so far just only 5. Still have remaining 3 Wii U titles for upcoming shopping list.
If it's all ports and remasters I'll be holding off buying a Switch at launch. Zelda isn't quite enough to justify buying a new console for.
If Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Wave Race or Pokemon games are out at launch I'll be buying day one for sure.
Also if there's a good selection of GameCube games I'd buy the Switch for that alone.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I'd pay for a 340$ Zelda bundle!!
@Kalmaro "First, the game is likely to be reduce if you already own the game"
Likely reduced based on what? What precedent are you referencing? Are you not aware that Nintendo themselves has already set a precedent of selling remastered versions of their own games at retail value? Wind Waker and Twilight Princess both sold for $50 a pop! Reduced price... Lol.
Please believe that Splatoon remastered on Switch will be at minimum $50 if not the full 60.
This isn't the Wii U virtual console and their upgrade incentive program, and Nintendo is not a charity either. To pretend like Nintendo is "likely" to offer these titles at some reduced rate to those who bought them on Wii U previously is simply being naive.
Let's say that Nintendo actually went this route (crazy unlikely); how would they even determine previous owners? How could they validate owners of the Wii U originals?
Let's all stop pretending like Nintendo is going to all of a sudden handle remastered Wii U games on Switch any differently than they and any other company has in the past, shall we?
Having said all this, owners of the Wii U originals, by and large, will definitely be upgrading to the Switch versions at full cost. You can book that. Hell, even I repurchased TP on Wii U.
I don't play my Wii U much now, but I wouldn't buy remasters of those games if I still can play them right now on my Wii U. I want new games instead, and we'll probably only see that in January or the Switch's launch.
@Kalmaro You're right - there's a chance that the updated features could be a part of additional game modes. The video in the Switch trailer was simply a proof of concept, but they could surprise us with a double dash mode...
Personally, if they re-instated the traditional battle modes (MK Wii), I'd buy this title in a heart beat haha.
Am I the only one who has noticed that on the Mario Kart "port" it has double dash style weapons?
Also in the picture of the lady playing Mario, what is that next to Yoshi Amiibo?
I think you need a combination. If be less inclined to buy a straight up port of a Wii u game, it's need some significant extras. On the other hand if they did more HD versions of GameCube classics I would definitely buy them. Massive misses opportunity on Wii U as we only really saw Zelda releases. What about Mario sunshine? Thousand door kingdom?
I agree with you 100% but unfortunately a lot of people missed out on Wii u. Ports are an easy way to sell existing games to new audiences. I like you want new games.
1999- super smash brothers
2001 - super smash brothers melee
So, a 3 year gap between smash 4 and smash switch isn't preposterous.
@Bunkerneath You aren't the only one, it's been talked about a lot - it's even mentioned in the article!
SNES only had one Zelda game
WiiU has no Zelda game exclusive to it.
WiiU also doesn't have a traditional Animal Crossing game.
Porting over a significant portion of a failed system's library in hopes of reaching a wider audience isn't unprecedented.
(Glances at the Dreamcast)
I'm waiting til January to find out more
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Taking a big grain of salt here, but if those prices are true... that would be awesome.
The games that they have shown, could be sequels in the works, and just in the works. They could be working on the next entries, but they could also re-release the Wii U games on the Switch to make a little extra money on them, but also give the players that did not own a Wii U, another chance to play the great games on the Wii U. Sony and Microsoft seem to be re-releasing games that were just on the past systems, as well as other companies, and of how many times nintendo re-released Zelda Ocarina Of Time, and even some of their other games, I could see them doing the same thing. It would be nice to get multiple collections of the Mario Series, a collection of F-zero titles, Star Fox titles, Zelda titles, Gameboy Collections, Advance Collections, Gamecube collections and more. Just think of how many copies they'd sell if there was a retail disc called...Nintendo Gamecube Classics Collection Vol 1 or others. I'd even go for a bunch of HD remasters of their classic games with updated controls and graphics! I'd pay to play them on the Switch...especially on the 'go'.
Even updating the virtual library on the Switch would be nice too. Add all of the sections that were released on the Wii and Wii U's library and continue adding with games on those systems from other developers. I'd love to see some of the other developer's titles released on the E-Shop...(The Goonies 2, A Nightmare On Elm Street, Fester's Quest, Low G Man, Dejavu 1 and 2, Secret Of Mana, Super Monkey Ball (all), Billy Hatcher And The Giant Egg, Sphinx And The Cursed Mummy, Eternal Darkness, Ducktales 2, Chip and Dale's Rescue Rangers, Battletoads, Astyanax, Wizards And Warriors series and more). Bring it on nintendo...make it a system that every gamer that is my age or older would want to get to re-play their old classic games!!!
@Aurumonado they won't disappear, But it's highly unlikely that Nintendo would dump so many AAA (regardless if they are ports or not) at launch, they've never really had more than 2 retail ready games at launch for any recent console, so I don't see them going above and beyond this, sine they would like to stretch out releases to give people time to get them all.
@RatKing64 I agree, but somehow, just somehow, I don't see much happening here in the terms of "cross-play", "cross-buy" or "cross-save" or X1'esque backwards-compability (even if only on digital games).
Nintendo always means paying a premium price, while missing out on premium features other platforms offer. I've been playing Nintendo systems as long as I can remember, but there is no denying that their approach has always been 'unique', in many ways that is a good thing, but in some regards, it simply is not.
I'd love for Nintendo to recognize those who supported the WiiU and to throw them a bone, as that would definitely make the Switch instantly more appealing (just think about the Vita today, if you are deep into the PSN ecosystem, getting a cheap vita today, booting it up you will already find dozens of gamers linked to your account ready to go, or think about a long time Xbox user, getting a X1 today, booting it up, they will find a whole bunch of X360 games ready to download and play), but like I said, that is not something I expect ever to happen.
Unfortunately, the other side of the coin is, that a system offering mainly retreads of games 2-3 years old, is not that appealing, esp. if these games will not be 'superior' ports, as I doubt the Switch will be that much more powerful than the WiiU to allow for a significant upgrade in visuals, not to mention that many of these games already run 720/1080p60 and any upgrade would either demand a complete rework of the assests or be limited to post-processing effects (which few people would even notice).
One thing that would e.g. Splatoon more worthwhile to me, was a proper system of friendlist and parties available on the Switch version. I mean, frankly, I gave up on Splatoon, because playing with friends was just not an option. Most of my friends are borderline inactive on the WiiU, when people are active there is no way to easily communicate with them or team up with them, you always need secondary devices to get a party going ... and it's just too much of a hassle and rarely comes together the way it does on the PS4/X1 or even Steam.
Having said that I would be hard pressed to justify REBUYING the WHOLE game, just to get access to system-level features, that frankly, should have been part of the Wii already, not to mention the WiiU. Of course, we don't know yet ... for all we know the Switch could just be as stuck in the digital dark ages as every other Nintendo console thus far, so ... we could only hope, but I don't quite dare to do that, because when it comes to all things digital/online/advanced features, I've been disappointed to often - no point setting onself up for more almost inevitable disappointment then.
"I Nintendo can churn out 3-4 Mario Party games for any given console generation, I don't see why they couldn't give us at least 2 Mario Karts or SSBs..."
Because Mario party games are easier for them to develop, and with the name "Mario" slapped on the title it's also easy money.
According to the website MobiPicker, Nintendo is working with retailers to provide a trade-in system to upgrade their physical copies of the Wii U edition for free or a discounted price at the very least." I hope this includes Amazon UK and just not some crap exclusive retailer like Game Uk.
@Thatguywhoeats only certain games that would sell very well, but "remastering" all of the games they released on Wii U will alienate the people who were committed to the Wii U and bought the games. I think it would be safe for Nintendo to bring Smash Bros, Mario Kart, and Splatoon to the Switch with all the dlc on the gamecard, plus add some extras to entice people to want it. Other games I could see them bringing over is Super Mario Maker and Xenoblade Chronicles X.
If it would be all ports at launch, that would be terrible. And besides: If it didn't convince people to buy a Wii u, then it definitely won't convince people to buy a Switch.
So in other words: Ports overload means instant death!!
@Emperor-Palpsy I really want double dashes battle mode back. Anyone remember the bomb battle? It was AMAZING!
@lifepsychedelic Yeah same for me, the only game I own on WiiU, other than exclusives like Splatoon, MK8 and so on, is ZombiU. I've bought that before it came to other platforms, and by now, I also have it on PS4. I've got the major exclusives on the WiiU and nothing else (a handful of VC titles for nostalgia's sake...).
ha, I'll buy them all ... hopefully they'll include the DLC and add a bit to entice those of us who did buy the WiiU versions, but all the games mentioned as ports/remasters so far have all been quality titles so I won't mind buying again until the Switch library has some quality original titles in it.
... I wonder if we'll get a Bayonetta package ... I'd happily buy it a 3rd time!
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