The Nintendo Switch reveal trailer gave us a first official glimpse of the system's concept ahead of its March release. Naturally the trailer was carefully picked apart, and some fascinating detail was there to be found, but now there's a bit of insight into how the reveal came together.
Speaking to GameXplain and on his own Twitch channel, streamer Dickhiskhan has spoken about how actors in the commercial knew about the system's name and the core concept, but explained that game footage was added in post-production. The image below (via @NWPlayer123) shows one example of the effect not quite being perfect, with the imposed image clipping into the actor's arm.
Nintendo has also passed a comment to Eurogamer regarding the nature of the game footage.
This video is all about explaining how the Nintendo Switch works. We wanted to convey in a self-contained video how Nintendo Switch represents a new era for video game systems enjoyed in front of a TV, by letting gamers play anywhere, anytime, with anyone they choose. It adds the mobility of a portable system to the power of a home gaming system.
At a later date, before the March launch, we'll be talking about things like exact launch date, and of course, the games. You shouldn't assume what you saw on the video represents actual game footage and further specifics on first-party games will be provided later.
All told, it is of course wise to think in general terms about games shown and to wait for more information from Nintendo. The company no doubt chose post-processed footage carefully, and it's a common trick to tease content (even in early, as-yet-undecided forms) with concept trailers. Some may recall when a mysterious Zombie game was used in the infamous 'Non-Specific Action Figure' sketch that demonstrated Miiverse on the Wii U shortly before E3 2012, unveiled not long after as Ubisoft's ZombiU.
The wait for more information is naturally far longer in this case, with no substantial details expected from Nintendo until early 2017. Games featured could, as a result, change substantially or even not come to light, though we'd be surprised if most didn't arrive in some form.
Patience is the keyword then, but this glimpse behind-the-scenes is also reassuring in a sense. There's a feeling that there's far more to be learnt about Switch before it arrives - it'll be exciting when the curtain is opened a little more.
[source eurogamer.net]
Comments (162)
THEN WHY PUT IT IN THE TRAILER??!! For crap's sake, they could've AT LEAST put a warning there saying "Games and content are subject to change". That way, not too many people will be pissed!
Was that not obvious?
The Switch consoles weren't really in use, they were probably empty shells.
All game footage was superimposed on afterwards.
I think it's fair to assume that all the games shown exist in some shape or form. Whether the footage is representative of the final game or not wouldn't change that, at least.
Never forget the Zelda Tech Demo, the one that gave false hope to Nintendo fans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_fyOkrteqM
I think fans should have assumed that the trailer was actual game footage. Otherwise it's deliberate misleading in my opinion.
No worries! Nintendo just released that Switch footage just to shut everyone up for a while.........your while is up, need more info NOW!!
At the very least Nintendo let all the 3rd parties tell us what they're doing for crying out loud! Oh and WHAT IS RETRO DOING!!!
Skyrim for Switch deconfirmed
It's likely all the games shown will arrive in some form. I don't even remember that zombie game for the Wii U reveal but couldn't it have been a early version of ZombiU?
it is possible for them to be canceled or change drastically but we really have little reason to doubt especially for the 3D Mario game.
And thanks to this article we will get several thousand more troll topics on message boards using this as "proof" that third party support will suck on Switch. Not that it was wrong to post the article of anything, but I wish the Internet would stop making the worst assumptions about everything.
@A01 I know they were shells, but here's the thing. Nintendo has went MONTHS without telling us as much of a morsel of news except "It's a portable hybrid console" which we all knew. Then they come along and fart this out and immediate reaction is LOOK AT THE GAMES!!
well duh...
didn't they say there won't be any more news this year? lol
@Grumblevolcano 3D Mario deconfirmed
Um.....don't most of us know this? It's a commercial.....Maybe I'm in the minority but trying to get clear shots of a screen seldom show well so I just assumed it was added in.
@MrPuzzlez You mean like it does in the actual trailer itself?
"Game footage not final; graphics and features subject to change"
@MrPuzzlez um they did. it's right at the end of the video, almost EXACTLY like you worded it too, LOL:
"game footage not final; graphics and features subject to change"
Just keep this in mind:
The only game shown in that trailer that's actually confirmed for Switch is Zelda BotW. The other 5 games are unconfirmed, not just Skyrim and NBA 2K.
Top of the switch in the docked position acts like sensor bar on wii #genius #rumour
I think people are missing that a lot of these games are pretty much guaranteed to happen... Zelda, New Mario, skyrim (that shush from Bethesda speaks measures). Its not like wii u where The trailer was a bunch of small little games. These are big titles, and I don't think Nintendo would show a remaster of a five year old game that isn't even theirs without actually having it in development.
That is to say, IF that Skyrim remaster doesn't come at launch: the only way it wouldn't come to Switch? If it flops terribly.
Every game that was shown in that trailer is confirmed. I don't care what some paid actor says. Bethesda has already shown their support on Twitter and the developers page, we've heard rumours prior that Nintendo was creating upgraded ports of Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon, and Miyamoto has already confirmed a new Mario game in development. So I find it hard to believe that besides Breath of the Wild, the rest are just shown for trailer hype purposes. Not only that, but why create new assets for existing games if you're only going to show them in the Switch reveal trailer.
This guy can say whatever he wants, I'm going to assume the heck out of this trailer due to the evidence I just provided above. And nothing can sway me from believing they aren't coming to the Switch.
@A01
According to Dickhiskhan, the one that he used was in fact real, at least it was a prototype version.
As for the topic of the article, it made kind sense. The footage shown were taken from other systems. But maybe with the exception of Mario, since it was confined to be on the Switch. So that Mario footage may have been in fact running on the Switch.
@Menchi187 @manu0 Oh, yeah... Sorry, was too initially hyped. Then initially pissed. I know it was some legalese on there concerning copyright stuff... My bad...
@Edwin
When that's the case, usually it says 'actual game footage' on the screen, or 'in-game footage'.
This trailer contained neither, and it would be foolish to believe it was.
Nintendo have used this strategy for over 20 years now. It both shows how the final product will look like instead of an aesthetically ugly prototype, and also removes the hud which are somewhat distracting in "normal" trailers.
One thing that people don't notice is, that its just a gaming tablet that plugs into your tv. Which is years behind the times, so why is everyone getting so worked up about this? Its not a new idea, its been around for ages. HAS THE WORLD GONE MAD??
I'm not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, I get that they wouldn't use actual footage. However, on the other, the footage they showed could easily have been from a much more powerful unit. BotW might actually play at 15FPS. Skyrim might be stuck in the lowest graphical settings. The Mario titles could just be a tech demo. The fact that there wasn't a previous disclaimer is kinda scummy, too.
I'm just gonna shake my head and not say anything because people will defend Nintendo doing this.
I did expect that.
Would it be a shame to make a Console just like others?
I would love to play a Zelda game like the one on the Techdemo for the WiiU.
But i like the concept of the Switch, so i´ll buy it anyway.
@MortalKombat2007 They did. Do your research next time.
...Maybe that's why no one was touching the screen. Masking the fingers and syncing up the footage to react to the input would take ages.
@Lucina
No one is saying the games don't exist in some form. The article is just pointing out that none of the game footage shown was actually running on Switch, and it's not representative of what those games will necessarily run/look like on the hardware.
Of cause they was mock ups, it doesn't mean these things aren't in development though.
Every time a new system is revealed, theres tech demos released, which ignite rumors for months to come.
Some more notable ones I can recall are Final Fantasy III (6) and Mother 3 for N64, Zelda for the 'Dolphin', Final Fantasy VIII ballroom scene for PS2. All of which had rumors swirling about them at the time.
Pretty commercials to stir up the feels
Man, a lot of people really have no idea how advertisements/commercials are made.
I took the footage literally as "here's the form factor and basis for how this works". I hardly think that will be the final form factor. Remember when the Wii U was first unveiled and it was supposed to have slidepads like the 3DS? It's was a proof-of-concept reel folks. Until we get a formal, verbal and printed, announcement and explanation of what the Switch's final form will be, what buttons, the tech, the price, etc., we need to keep our shirts on.
I still believe all of these games are still coming. SKYRIM REMASTERED probably shows the peak of what the system will be capable of. I am more than fine with that, as I have a PS4. But if any game comes out for both, you better believe I will get it on the NS. (FFXV and XII remake)
@Lucina,
The quoted text in the article was apparently from Nintendo itself to Eurogamer and not from a paid actor: "Nintendo has also passed a comment to Eurogamer regarding the nature of the game footage."
Let's not get upset over this folks...
I think what will COMPLETELY solve this is a sizzle reel. At least before Christmas. That will alleviate ALL of this "will it or won't it" nonsense that's giving everybody a headache.
@Lloyd
That tech demo ran on Wii U hardware, so there's no reason we couldn't have a Zelda that looks like that on the Switch
It was obvious the game footage was put there after, but Nintendo should have still put a disclaimer saying so at the beginning of the video. About what I got out of the video is that Zelda is coming to the system, a 3D Mario game is coming, and Skyarim and NBA 2K are coming, but of course the Mario game is probably still gonna change a lot between now and when it is releasing.
@MortalKombat2007 check the end of the trailer. They did say that.
@hYdeks check the end of the trailer....
@XCWarrior So you disapprove of Nintendo doing common marketing practices? Okay.
@MrPuzzlez They did.
And? This is a common practice. It is a commercial, so they want the best version of the product to show. That doesn't mean the product automatically sucks because of that. It's too early in the morning for this sort of nonsense.
Do people think that the stuff that happens in commercials isn't doctored and shown in the best possible light now?
@IceClimbers Breath of the Wild confirmed as Wii U exclusive. XD
Its not that big a deal to me really. But...
Would a fine print disclaimer at the bottom of the reveal trailer kill ya, Nintendo?
"*Not actual gameplay footage. Games shown are to exhibit functionality of the Nintendo Switch."
People thought the footage was real? Probably real as in running on equiv hardware, but was so obvious it wasn't actually on the screens.
What I don't understand though is why the reduced the framerate of zelda on the pad? Expecially when earlier that day an amazingly smooth trailer was released
Then it's willfully deceitful and gets up peoples' hopes; pretty frickin' stupid to put in footage if the games never come to the console; i.e Bethesda. Sure, they support Nintendo for a change, but how do we know they'll actually port Skyrim?
@MrPuzzlez Gosh, calm down. It's not Nintendo's fault that you didn't see the disclaimer.
Postproduction or not, the footage added is selected on some basis. There are rumours about the trailer delay to make the Mario game run perfectly, there is a confirmed partnership with Bethesda (who has also commented the other day, simply stating they can't confirm/announce any games just yet), there is Mario Kart gameplay with elements not seen in MK8.
So yeah, I see plenty of room to remain expectant of Skyrim for one (MK, Splatoon and Mario platformers seem like no-brainers regardless of actual form). It's illustrative enough for the "mobility added to the power of a home console" message to sneak in a multiplatform remaster geared towards PS4, XBOne and the modern "you'd never have money left for drugs anyway!" Pv builds. Its creators are in, most of the code should be on-hand enough to aim for a relatively early (or even "launch title" early) release... I'd say it's the game's cancellation that depends on hypothetical force majors to come or not to come, not the game's release.
@audiobrainiac It's at the VERY end of the video where mostly everybody will stop it do to their hypeness overloading. I know I did.
@MrPuzzlez I didn't...
@MortalKombat2007 ...they did. "game footage not final, graphics and features subject to change". This is standard advertising practice. Post processed footage allows them to show the best version of a product's features and allows them to make it visible (filming screens is never pretty or bright) and to remove HUD elements which are distracting in a 3 minute teaser. All companies do this.
No matter the reason, this will just create another hellstorm of doom and gloom.
Now i kind of feel like ive been lied to. I hoped Nintendo would not fall to this level.
I'd love another clip with Non-Specific Action Figure
@Zanark You feel lied to? Wow, I feel a bit sorry for you.
People... are... surprised?
Okay then.
This should have been obvious to anyone who has ever recorded a video where a screen of any type appears in it, which these days should be most people. I really don't understand why anyone would get upset over this. Plus it's not like the footage is NOT (necessarily) from the real games, it's just not live gameplay. It's also more feasible logistically to add the gameplay in post.
um...did anyone really think they were playing?ofcourse its all post production stuff.i thought this was obvious to everybody.
@MrPuzzlez do you know anything about photography? Every commercial for video games you have ever scene after 1998 has had the game footage added in post.
@Zanark read my post above
@mikegamer I reaaaally doubt either company would agree to put the game in the trailer, specially such an important trailer, if wasn't already confirmed that Skyrim or a version of it was confirmed. They clearly chose the games to be presented in a manner that displays player choice and breadth of options. They would not put Skyrim just because it looks cool, something has already been worked out among them.
Of course, confirmed games can till be cancelled later for whatever reason, but still, it's silly to think any big company will tarnish their image this way, no matter how "stupid" one might consider past Nintendo choices.
@Vix you should learn more about photography
You would think that more of us gamers would know something like this. It was more of a "concept teaser trailer" on how the Switch functions. That's no problem..
Just observing how the games on the Switch screen were letterboxed goes to show you that the display was copy/pasted or minimize to fit it during the presentation.
Idk. Some people pick things apart for negative reasons instead of embracing the positive message about what the Nintendo Switch is exactly.
Well at least people can shut up about frame rate issues
@SaKo Yup, and it's the same people that tend to post how to "fix" Nintendo.
@A01
Exactly. And come on, companies do these kinds of things alot even at E3 during live presentations.
@A01 The GameXplain interview with the actor is really interesting. He mentioned that the controllers were real, but during the scene where they walk through the crowd, they used mock (potentially wooden) controllers, probably to prevent people from stealing them
@MrPuzzlez They did. At the end of the trailer.
What's the point in faking it anyway, isn't it easier to use real footage?
Cannot believe people are even surprised/shocked/disappointed by this. People like @Lucina are just in complete denial of the facts, lol--Bethesda came out publicly and said the footage was only conceptual and they had no Switch titles to announce at this time.
I was under the impression everyone knew this was a concept reel--I took none of these games (save Zelda, obviously) as anything more than pre-rendered examples. Couldn't believe it when sites started reporting THESE 5 SWITCH GAMES CONFIRMED.
Also, what really triggers my curiosity, is that on the interview, the actor said he knew some other things that were not yet announced, but obviously couldn't speak of until they are. I have to wonder what that is, given that it's something that he needed to know for recording the video (he didn't know for example that the Joy-cons could be unclipped). maybe there's another trailer? I dunno, but it's eating me
"The company no doubt chose post-processed footage carefully"
Wait what? I didn't really expect it to be actual game footage, until I saw that stuttering Zelda scene ... after all, why would they add that particular footage into their reveal trailer, if it was all done in post-processing anyways.
Not sure what to make of that Oo
@MrPuzzlez

other than that, i totally agree. they should have put it in the bottom of the trailer, instead of the ending
Ouch! For now, I'll just assume that's just the poorly worded work of a PR, and that it doesn't point towards things being any less amazing than the VR has seemed up until now.
Interesting. While it is very likely that all those games will eventually be relased, they weren't running on the Switch. So, all those claims that BotW had a framerate drop when the console was on portable mode weren't correct.
But... That's how all video game trailers are made. Why is this such a surprise to people? The footage is always added later.
Wow, people are getting upset on Nintendolife about nothing? Whatever next....lol.
@Edwin except this isn't a commercial, this is basically a teaser before the trailer.
It's just like all the ads for those medieval strategy games on mobiles that have heaps of cgi models only to look like Populous level graphics in game. But at least they say "Not actual gameplay footage"
@123akis that all depends on when this teaser was shot? it wasn't done a week before the reveal.
I feel like it's safe to assume that the Nintendo game footage is actual game footage.
People feeling upset due to a preview video using standard práctices in the industry?
Damn, I don't know whether to laugh or cry...
@Luna_110 My sentiments exactly. But this is Nintendo. They get NO pass.
It's kind of sad all the know-it-alls on here missing the point, deliberately or otherwise, hard to tell sometimes.
Know-it-alls - "What's wrong w/ you people, don't you know TV commercials have been made like this since 1998, shoot the real world first, photoshop the game footage in later."
Quesiton people really want answered - is Switch getting Skyrim (5 year old Skyrim or new remastered Skyrim), is there a new 3D Mario game in the works, has Nintneod patched things up w/ EA so we will be getting EA Sports game.
It's not about photoshop, it's about the game's library. Are we getting these games or is Nitneod up to it's old tricks?
Zelda Gamecube Spaceworld 2000 demo before cell-shaded Windwaker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBtAvX4Pkyk
Wii U E3 demo showing off photo realistic graphics, which Wii U has never seen anything like in a Nintendo game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4SGjPLV5mw
And as @Xaessya has already pointed out, Wii U Zelda tech demo, which looks nothing like Breath of the Wild
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_fyOkrteqM
TLDR - it's not about photoshop, it's about the games. It's always about the games.
@naut Not denial, it's just common sense. It's logic based on facts, mixed with previous rumours earlier this year. I am 100% confident that all those games shown will be playable on the Switch. We've heard rumours of upgraded ports of Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon, we heard from Miyamoto that he was working on a new Mario, Bethesda supporting them means you can bet your bottom one of their key franchises is going to be there at launch, and given how heavily the trailer focused on it, it's Skyrim Remastered.
Call me delusional, a Nintendo fanboy, a moron, whatever you want to call me. I could really care less. The evidence to support that the games in the trailer are going to happen is there. It's cynical individuals like yourself who are in denial.
@MrPuzzlez Nice, I stand corrected. Yeah, I'm guilty of my hype going through the roof too.
@rjejr I'm thinking the BotW, MK8 and Splatoon footage will have been done on a Wii U (the latter 2 getting Wii U updates at some point), the 3rd party games on a PC and the 3D Mario potentially being the only one done on an actual Switch.
@rjejr Nah, it's not about the games, but about a lack of common sense. If it was about the games, people would have realized by now that there's a difference between a tech demo (SpaceWorld Zelda, Wii U Zelda) and actual gameplay footage as seen in the Switch's trailer.
@MortalKombat2007 They did. At the very end of the video. "Game footage not final; graphics and footage subject to change." Not false advertising at all.
@Bunkerneath You could say the same about any gaming console; a box that plugs into your TV and plays games is a design that's been around for ages.
The box/tablet itself shouldn't be what gets people excited, but rather the prospect of the games it can play - which is why Nintendo went to the effort to postprocess shiny game footage onto the blank screens of the dummy units in their trailer, and why the fans are justified in getting just a bit worked up over it.
@rjejr Here's the thing though, at least with Mario, Mario Kart, and Splatoon. All of those had extra content (King Boo, hairstyles, the Mario level in general) that wouldn't just be there for a trailer.
Just look at the 2 previous Zelda teasers, they look quite generic with no defining features compared to these games.
The actual games will be better. They done the same with the GameCube tech demos.
Seems as though Nintendo gets flamed the most about something that every company does. Do people get this upset and hashtag their emotions when Wendy's runs a commercial ad about their Junior Bacon Cheeseburger not being as big and juicy upon order in person as to what it appears to look like on t.v.?
Wow
What's worse for some people is the fact that they didn't even acknowledge the message at the end of the video.
Nintendo gets slandered about this stuff all the time. But Sony and Microsoft does the same thing on bigger stages (E3) and nobody says negative things towards them about it. Although, UBISOFT got hammered for that first Watchdogs game not living up to the first trailer for it too.
Good things await us! C'mon 2017!!
I don't know why people find this so surprising. They did the same thing for the Wii U and Wii, and probably others.
You can't actually record somebody playing the game this way. Glare and other camera issues prohibit it.
@MrPuzzlez put it best: poor communication to audiences killed the Wii U in the first place, and this doesn't look like a particularly promising start. Nintendo had better put that Bethesda partnership to good use.
well yeah
@Lucina Well I mean that's kind of stating the obvious. It's a Nintendo console. Of course we'll eventually get a 3D Mario. Of course we'll eventually get Mario Kart. It's just that they may end up looking nothing at all like this concept footage shown in this trailer.
@AnteRehn yea, I guess it does. So Nintendo is giving false advertisement basically, cause chances are the real products won't look as nice (like Skyrim). Kind of poopy of them, they should have just kept with Zelda footage, and showing Mario Kart and Splatoon footage on it instead of getting peoples hopes up, and just said the games are from Wii U game footage, won't represent the final graphics or product.
If the Switch doesn't eventually get those games, then it's gonna cause a lot of arguments and negativity about the Switch.
@rjejr I see what you are saying, but the difference is that all videos from this trailer show gameplay-like footage, your examples are all pretty clearly non-gameplay, like cut-scenes. A better example would be the first Mario Sunshine footage that had a giant monster running around. In the end there was a Mario Sunshine, just with some differences. There's no reason why one would think the games in the video are like those past examples.
@AlexSora89 How is this poor communication, or a bad start? They had one goal alone, pretty clearly stated: A glimpse of what the NX was. There was never any promise of games, we're actually lucky to see so many in it, in gameplay-like scenario. I was personally expecting something like the Wii/Revolution reveal, where Iwata showed the console and talked a bit about it, but not even mentioned the controllers. There's absolutely no false advertising in this trailer, Nintendo delivered on that glimpse (pretty well IMO): Now we all know what the console is, and how it's meant to be played.
IMO, this type of reaction is probably why they're going radio silent about the Switch for so long, because it seems every announcement finds something people complain about, so they are forced to ONLY say just exactly what they need to, nothing more, to reduce the risk of backlash at any confusion.
@nab1 Nah, he knew they could be unclipped. He even said he had fun clipping them off and on. He just didn't put together that you could use them as controllers while they were unclipped. If I were to guess, I'd say that the stuff he knows that he can't say is stuff about the model that he noticed that didn't come up in the trailer, so he is afraid to bring up.
This kind of stuff is very common, and it's just Nintendo covering all the bases in case these games change over time. I would say that it's safe to assume that SOME version of these games are in production right now.
@IronSammet You're right, I may be remembering the exact words incorrectly. Still, I wonder what the guy knows. I'm too hyped for the "NS"
lol people are upset that Nintendo is doing something perfectly normal and acceptable in the marketing and advertising world...
@MrPuzzlez A disclaimer would have been nice, but I think to most who have been into gaming for a while would have just assumed this. I could see how someone could be concerned seeing Mario Kart and Splatoon and say "okay, so I already have these games I don't need a Switch". The reveal process was the same with the Wii U in that some very early demos were shown at E3 to which people assumed the graphics were too rudimentary and confused it with just being an add-on controller for the Wii U. These videos are very early teaser trailers, with a focus on selling the concept of the console and how you will be playing it rather than what you will be playing. As far as games go, I would be very surprised if new iterations of most of the games shown didn't come out at or shortly after launch. The fact that the gameplay shown was almost identical on Mario Kart seems to suggest they are still a ways off on development OR have a new concept they just aren't ready to show off yet. But yes, take these early videos with a grain of (or a hefty bag) of salt as most games won't be ready until launch.
It's good news IMO. I wasn't overly impressed with what seemed to be the quality of the games. Perhaps they will surprise us after all.
@nab1 I'm really hoping for a touchscreen, just so that it can be used for a Mario Maker sequel.
@nab1 " your examples are all pretty clearly non-gameplay, like cut-scenes"
The 2 Zelda examples are clearly active battles, not even remotely cut scenes. The Japanese garden demo was playable at E3. Here's a video of someone actually playing it. If you are playing it then it isn't a "cut scene".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX9UDAtB070
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy I don't think Splatoon or MK is the big concern. Nintnedo hardware will get Ntinedo games, new or updated. What people really want to know is - is Switch getting Skyrim, is Switch getting a real NBA game? And what that boils down to, is Switch getting real good full 3rd party support of AAA games? That's the $64 million question, 3rd party support, not if Splatoon or MK are sequels or "Directors Cuts" on Switch.
@MarcelRguez "Nah, it's not about the games"
Nah, it is about the games.
If Nintneod came out and said - "No, none of these games will release on Switch, but they are really running in the commercial and filmed that way." - fans wouldn't be happy.
If Nintneod came out and said - "Yes, all of the on screen footage isn't really taped in the comeircal, it was photoshopped onto blank screens afterwards, but Switch is getting Skyrim and basketball and a 3D Mario game." -then people wouldn't care about the photoshop.
Some of the comments above, a few, not all, act as if people are upset that game footage was photoshopped in after the fact. Nobody, nobody, cares how commercials are made. People only care about what games Switch is or isn't getting. Nobody cares how commercials are made. It's about what games are going to be on a system.
Where was the disclaimer saying not actual footage? I certainly didn't see it. They got caught lying and deserve all of the backlash, probably more even.
as far as I'm aware any advert showing devices is never representative. How many Mobile Phone adverts have the phrase "Sequence shortened" at the bottom, or game adverts with "no actual in game footage"
Concept/Reveal videos are 90% fudged. As long as Nintendo in this case doesn't state that the game was coming out its "ok"
@Xaessya BotW looks better than a Twilight Princess remake.
@3MonthBeef Saying the game footage is not final is not the same thing as the footage not being real, or the machine not actually running that footage. That is lying.
Makes sense to me. Just placeholder footage to show it in action. I still see those as hints of what games to expect, though.
Speaking of ZombiU concepts, I still miss Killer Freaks from Outer Space. I'd take those mutant rabbid thingies over zombies any day.
@rjejr THANK YOU!!!!
@MrPuzzlez They did put a note at the end of the video that says "Game footage not final; graphics and features subject to change"
Remember the Wii U tech demos that got everyone hyped for games that didn't exist? Let's not repeat that.
Well then, it's going to be interesting to see exactly what games will look like on the system and indeed what games are coming. . . .
@Xaessya
I'll take Breath of the Wild over that fiddleridoo any day of the week.
@vladez Yes, I've confirmed that at post #54.
@rjejr At this point it doesn't really matter, but do you really think either of those Zelda videos even remotely ever looked like real gameplay, straight out of a game? Like, real boss battles in any game?
@nab1
I don't think the radio silence has anything to do with fan reactions, at all. Rather, the Wii U has gone through way more than any Nintendo console should, which is why Nintendo is so cautious.
And Nintendo's caution is what makes the misunderstanding addressed in the article all the more baffling. Let me make one thing clear: I'm hyped for this console. Why? Not just because I love handhelds, I love Nintendo and I want this console to succeed (and appealing to both the home console and handheld markets is still a brilliant move to me). It's because I'm used to wait a long time before either a home console game is ported to a handheld (Super Mario 64 DS, Nintendo DS, 2005, ten years after the original) or any sequel to said game is specifically made for a handheld (Crash Bandicoot: XS/The Huge Adventure, Game Boy Advance, 2002, six years after the first Crash Bandicoot; Super Smash Bros. For Nintendo 3DS, Nintendo 3DS, 2014, fourteen years after the first Smash game), so a system that makes every home console game portable by default from the get-go is a dream come true ever since I saw on a magazine a photo of a young lad playing a PSOne in the backseat of a car.
So what's the problem I have here? Let's assume the Wii U couldn't, hypothetically, run the vanilla version of Skyrim. Now, the fact Bethesda is among the Switch partners indicates that, contrary to what Pete "the Wii U has missed the boat" Hines once said, the Switch has enough power to run the games they create, which are notoriously gorgeous on a graphical level. The fact there even is (hopefully) a Skyrim for the Switch should convince developers to create games for it, but given we now hear there's no confirmation for anything whatsoever, we've gone from the hopeful "we know it's powerful enough to run Skyrim" to the rather worrisome "we don't know if it's more powerful than its rival consoles".
Bottom-line: I'm hyped, sure, but at the same time, really, really worried. In a worst-case scenario of Nintendo going third-party X years from now, the fact the Vita won't have a successor, coupled with the Super Mario Run announcement, crafts a vision of a future where the only alternative to home console gaming is smartphone "gaming". A future I, as an unabashed handheld lover, am not certain to be willing to live in, to be blunt. The day may come when I'll pick an Xbox controller and boot up a Games With Gold version of Super Mario 64; the day may never come when I go outside and "enjoy" Mario on the go with touch-only controls.
@MrPuzzlez IKR!?!?!
@3MonthBeef I just want you to know you nearly killed me. I was drinking water when I read your post about the wiiu being a toaster and my water went down the wrong way when I started laughing. So well done.
@AlexSora89 I hear you man, we're both hyped as hell, and I agree about the mobile situation, both as a gamer and developer, and the hope the NS brings to the table. It's just that really, this article is about stuff that's pretty standard, including the "images not representative of real gameplay" disclaimer. If it's on the video, you can bet it'll be out. They put too much planning on this trailer to mess such a simple thing. There really isn't any reason to doubt it based on this comment from Nintendo. It's just the usual protective PR speak. I have little doubt Bethesda will have a version of Skyrim, if both companies agreed to put it on THIS trailer. Seeing it in the video, I have little doubt the NS will be able to run it.
Having said that, I'd be WAY more worried about other aspects of the console with a third-party game like this (in the context of making it easier and appealing for developers to bring their games to NS), such as storage limitation on the cartridges vs other platforms, as well as internally for DLC and stuff, online connectivity and options (voice?) for multiplayer games, and battery life. Those are potentially more relevant to a developer/publisher IMO than whether or not the console itself can run the game or not. They make ports for cellphones, they can port to anything if they want to.
I hate to do it but this was very obvious as the launch is so far away.
Well duh.
So don't assume that because you saw some bad framerate on Zelda when in mobile mode, that it means the final game is gonna behave like that. If anything, judging from some bad integration of it in some sections, it might just be an artifact of the incrustation process.
@3MonthBeef I'm guessing you think I should just happily accept that Nintendo's first reveal of a game system didn't actually show what kind of games the system can or will play? I should be happy to see games that may or may not even be running on the system?
As an aside, I'm also assuming you are unaware of how certain old ladies reasonably expect coffee to be hot, but not so hot that it melts your genatalia through your clothes. Those millions of dollars she earned were also spent on her, and other burn victims, medical treatment.
@3MonthBeef I'm about to start a drinking game off of these comments at this point. It has been that kinda Monday.
Anybody have the Captain Picard facepalm image?
As someone who videos cars for dealer websites for a living I can attest to the issues filming screens. Wit older CRTs there would often be a moving band scrolling in the video, but with modern LCD screens it can be much worse with a screen that looks perfectly normal to the naked eye will often shake or show really bad looking lines. Even older segment text displays can look bad on video.
I still think the system could be a lot weaker than people expect, ie. far more like a handheld than a console. Just a hunch.
This is obvious and common practice in the business.
@naut And NL was guilty of it, too. I knew right off the bat that they weren't using footage of a potential Mario Kart 9, so much as pitching an idea for what it could be like, but NL, as well as other sites are like,"ohmagerd! look at the games nintendo confirmed for the switch!!!1"
On a side note, if the gameplay was added post-production, then does Breath of the Wild just run at 20FPS normally, regardless of whether the tablet is docked or not? More importantly, was that even the Switch version?
Come on, guys. The games will be on Switch. And there is NO way for Nintendo to lie their customers. Nintendo can be accused for lying their customers and it would be a crime.
@allav866 I know, I was pretty disappointed in NL as well. Got on the hype train wayyyyy too fast.
@Mega_Yarn_Poochy Did I used to hold Nintendo to a higher standard because I thought they cared before this past generation? Yes I did.
Don't you worry I have put the bar for them just as low as the others now. But their in 4th place in the console market right now for a reason behind PS4, XB1 and PC.
@Ryu_Niiyama Across nearly every article today it's been a total whine and troll fest...quite comical in some ways!
@allav866 Apparently the video itself only ran at 24 fps so the discrepancy could be due to that.
This comment section is a mess.
What if I imagine Half-Life 3 footage? Will that count?
That's not at all surprising or out of place to me. It's normal for products with screens to have the content added in post-production for the sake of showing off how the hardware would be used as clearly as possible.
That was never meant to be a games trailer, but a hardware reveal. Then the gullable gamers ran with everything they saw as if it was a live demonstration on the E3 show floor.
How little these folks know about advertising lol.
@MetalKingShield
Only the most deluded of Nintendo fans would think this would be a powerful system.. hang on that is the ..
Seriously IT IS A TABLET. It is a handheld that plugs into a TV.
The weakest modern desktop pascal GPU or low end Polaris GPU will flatten that battery in a second, not to mention probably fry the plastic casing with its heat. Come to think of it any GPU capable of even XboxOne graphics would. Don't believe the hype. If a tablet can give XboxOne graphics output to a TV it would cost a fortune.
The graphics are probably the same as the WiiU, but I understand now that Nintendo truly don't care for graphics. They care about the experience. The 3min reveal was first and foremost about the experience of the console, not the games. To put so much faith in any of those third party games ever reaching the Switch is blind. They may, they may not.
If Eurogamer is accurate then Nintendo has made no guarantee of any of those 3rd party games, yet their fanboys do. Strange.
@3MonthBeef Hard to tell too much about the hardware when we don't know if the footage they doctored into the reveal would even run on it. I'm sure they have actual games they could have recorded footage of running on it. The system is supposed to launch in less than 5 months. If there are no games, there is no system coming worth getting.
As for the analogies, they're not working. Car commercials are not doctored footage. They have stunt drivers, and those stunts can be replicated.
I'll admit to being thrown off by the frame drops in BotW when taken off the dock. That depiction was just so believable that I forgot that video footage needed to be edited.
Well, I didn't.
It was quite obvious to me a lot of the game play footage was added in with editing.
The Skyrim footage stood out the most.
God, people can be so stupid sometimes. Classic example of blind fanboys.
Screen actors' talents not up to snuff.
I guess at least Zelda and Skyrim are "real". And the Mario game also exists, but may look a bit different (maybe). As for Mariokart and Splatoon: Maybe only a Splatoon port with all the dlc, and a new Mariokart later. Anyway, love to see all the real footage next year, this video was just there to show us the concept of the console.
To prevend any confussion: Whether the footage was real or pasted over the controllers, I guess the Zelda and Skyrim footage came from the actual games. The Mario footage may come from a early build. The Mariokart and Splatoon footage are mock-ups.
It all makes you wonder how strong Switch may be. Maybe the games will look weaker then we actually hope.
I watched the ad with my son and half way through mentioned that they're not showing definite games but examples of "the sort of games you could be playing". He already knew that, it went without saying. I felt a bit embarrassed for mentioning it.
I'm surprised they didn't just use solid green screens. Post processing would have been much easier to automate with no artifacts such as the cut into the woman's arm. But this may have caused afterglow on the subjects in the nighttime scenes.
I thought this was the case from the off.
But for those that didn't realise it,or aren't used to the way things are shown in videos like this (because it was pretty much an advert), it's a big reason why we need more details and specs soon. People need to know what this thing actually is. We have a glimpse, we have an idea, and we know what they WANT to do. But we need to know how, and if, this fulfils it in the way we hope.
Of course they shouldn't. It was blindingly obvious it was superimposed. It's an advert for crying out loud. (Shrugs) How is this a revelation?
@Menchi187
It would have been more honest to same 'Game play is simulated.'
@MrPuzzlez nuff said
@Xaessya i dont think most people fell for it. It was no surprise after Wind Waker happened.
@nab1 Yes, I did think the Wii U Zelda tech demo looked a lot like this boss fight in TP actually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmiEA3Yp1mU
And in Spaceworld it was Link fighting Ganandorf, so no surprise there.
The only thing that surprised me is that after the backlash from Spaceworld to cell shaded WW Nintendo would be so daft as to pull the same exact thing w/ a Wii U tech demo and Breath of the Wild.
The Japanese garden tech demo kind of makes sense, it's some random objects and they never said it was from a game, but they really need to stop using Link and Zelda games to show of what the rhardware "Can do" if they are never even going to attempt to do anything like it. Honestly, I've never seen any game w/ graphics like those in that Japanese garden tech demo. Not that I've played every Wii U game, but I do watch trailers for almost every game, and nothing has looked like that. I don't think even cut-scenes in any Wii U game have been that photo-realistic. Why bother to show out?
Don't worry, I know, to get gullible fools like me to buy their hardware. "Look everyone, Zelda U, releasing in 2015." 2 years later...
@AlexSora89 Long post Alex, I think you've been hanging out w/ the oldguys too much.
@MrPuzzlez You're welcome.
@rjejr
What can I say, if there's something I think to be right on, which does not equal to actually being right, I have to be clear in regards to the reason behind my belief.
Did anyone else notice the part where two people were each using a side of the controller to play?
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