EA's relationship with Nintendo has been up and down over the decades; during the early years of the 16-bit era the publisher famously partnered with rival Sega after securing a favourable licensing deal, and in more recent years we've seen support drop off to nothing following the successful Wii period.
At Gamescom 2016, the question of EA working on Nintendo systems has already been touched upon once - kind of - by Vice President Patrick Soderlund, but during an interview with Eurogamer, former Microsoft and Sega staffer Peter Moore - now EA's "Chief Competition Officer" - spoke a little about how he sees the current relationship between the two companies.
Eurogamer: Nintendo - it also has a new console coming out. EA, like a lot of publishers, were kind of quiet on Wii U. What is EA's stance on supporting NX?
Peter Moore: I don't know - obviously a lot of details are still to be unveiled. EA has developed for Nintendo for 30 years and I was famously quoted as saying we're still good friends. I have lived the console cycle's ups and downs - I launched the Dreamcast. Some publishers got behind that and some didn't. But certainly, EA has never come out and said it won't develop for Nintendo.
Eurogamer: EA had that 'special relationship' announcement for Wii U which never really materialised - how do you see NX being different in that regard? It sounds like Nintendo are again choosing a path which is not trying to compete with other consoles EA supports and simply be another Xbox or PlayStation. Does that make Nintendo a more difficult proposition to support?
Peter Moore: Nintendo has always based its success on its first-party games because it is a brilliant first-party developer. If you asked that question to them they'd say they have to launch with first-party software first - that's where the first dev kits go.
While we're still not really any wiser about which way EA will go when the NX finally arrives, and the fact that it claimed to have an "unprecedented partnership" prior to the launch of the Wii U - a console it has effectively abandoned in favour of the PS4 and Xbox One - doesn't exactly bode well for the future.
If EA is being so non-committal at this stage then one has to wonder if the NX is in its sights at all; should the console be a runaway success that will of course change, but at present its doesn't (officially) seem to be of much interest to EA.
That may change what Nintendo finally lifts the lid on the console, but in the meantime, what do you make of Moore's comments?
[source eurogamer.net]
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Good friends my @$$ you guys threw a bloody tantrum over not having origin merge with nintendo network and nintendo said no and you EA acted like a spoiled brat that couldnt get your own way.
There's still too many unknowns. If I was EA, then I wouldn't want to commit to anything until at least after the NX has been officially revealed to the public.
EA BETTER be ready for the power of the Nintendo NX. We need Madden, FIFA, and Star Wars for the Big N's new family of systems.
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Why does he make it sound like they don't have a devkit?
I mean, it could be because of NDAs, but I don't think that's it.
@Leu10antFalcon thats if they dont screw us on microtransaction crap
"EA has never come out and said it won't develop for Nintendo."
Just because you haven't said it, doesn't mean that's not your plan.
I really don't know if EA is gonna support the NX I'm 50-50 on it
"If you asked that question to them they'd say they have to launch with first-party software first - that's where the first dev kits go."
Really...? But I'm pretty sure Sega already has some development kits based on the fact that they're developing the new sonic game for it, and there's a good possibility Sqeenix does too, maybe even Namco and Capcom. If Nintendo cared to have EA's support, they would have given them kits by now, surely.
I guess they're not too great of friends after all, huh...
@Philo there was a rumor that enix has 2 fantasy games coming for the nx
How can so little be said with so many words? Interviews with CEO's and other people in charge never cease to amaze me.
From a business standpoint, EA's stance is pretty normal, but then just outright say it: "we will develop for NX if the console catches on/will be a success, so we can also get a piece of that pie" instead of a whole lot of nothings that in the end make us none the wiser. Pfff....
@Camilla
Exactly. I feel like they definitely have them. Hence why EA should too, if Nintendo wanted them to.
With friends like these who needs enemies.
@Philo thats if ea doesnt pull another tantrum
@crimsontadpoles you're joking, right? EA knows everything about the NX--why anyone would suggest otherwise is mystifying.
(Moore plays the game so he doesn't have to answer any questions directly, but don't delude yourself.)
EA will support NX, if only NX sells well. EA goes where the most gamers are.
I honestly dont see how if Nintendo did have the 3rd party support that people say they need, who would leave Xbox or Playstation for Nintendo. From my perspective people that enjoy Nintendo first party games already get the console for those.
The only potential money they are loosing out on is the people that do buy Nintendo not spending money on other consoles games.
I wonder how much this really is.
@ECMIM EA should know a lot about the NX, but they probably don't know how popular it'll be. They might want to gauge the NX reaction from the general public to judge how worthwhile developing for it is.
Actions speak louder than words.
It has little to do with them saying they won't develop for Nintendo consoles, more than they just haven't done much on Nintendo consoles recently.
Those declarations smell to me that "we know the specs, but Nintendo didn't give us a dev kit since we didn't develop anything for them. Plus, we don't want to compete with first party games".
Makes kind of sense. EA waits until they see how the NX does, and Nintendo doesn't spend money on a dev kit for a company that may not do anything for the NX.
@Camilla That whole story of how EA and Nintendo had a falling out over Origin. I thought that was all idle speculation. Do you know of some reliable source on that? There was obviously a falling out, but as far as I've seen it could have been anyone's fault over anything.
Those questions are pretty leading. You could read his response as carefully dismissing the question by starting with "I don't know." Or he could literally have no idea if they are developing or going to develop for Nintendo. You can read it both ways. Would like to hear the audio on that.
Gut says they've decided to wait and see and have nothing in development. I could even see Nintendo simply waiting for EA to ask after the severe treatment last go around.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
@IAmDeclanJay That's not entirely true, EA have their head so far up Microsoft's keister, that they know what Phil Spencer had for lunch. They clearly favour them over Sony. EA only supports Sony due to the PS4 looking to recapture the PS2 level of success the company had.
EA aren't even arsed releasing annual roster/kit updates of the Fifa games on the 55 million+ strong 3DS, so you can forget about them supporting the NX.
They won't support the NX unless it becomes some runaway Wii-like success (and only then would EA want a piece of the action), but EA will not facilitate in the NX's success otherwise. Just look at how they jeopardised the Wii U right off the bat with their substandard releases (e.g. Fifa 12 released as Fifa 13 with a kit update while the other platforms get a proper new release; late port of Mass Effect 3 without DLC while the other platforms get the entire trilogy PLUS DLC for the same price; no DLC/late port Need For Speed: Most Wanted U for full price while it's less than half price on other platforms etc.).
@aaronsullivan Hope you don't mind if I bud in...
Here's the story about EA's unprecedented partnership with Nintendo for the Wii U and why that disintegrated so rapidly:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/xnt5r/whatever_happened_to_the_groundbreaking/
http://nintendoenthusiast.com/article/ea-has-an-axe-to-grind-with-nintendo-snubs-wii-u-again-and-again/
The gist of the story is that Nintendo noticed the praise that EA got in the industry for its online infrastructure and so they decided to ask their assistance in making something similar for the Wii U. During the process, which was already quite far along, EA decided that they wanted Nintendo to use Origin instead, making Nintendo rather dependent on EA, so obviously they refused and then they parted ways, EA being royally p**d off, since they had already lain most of the groundwork for the Wii U, and they got the boot from Ninty. So there is some justifiable anger there, and that could to this day be the reason behind the cool politeness and empty words.
Has EA ever heard of the phrase "Actions speak louder than words"?
@Phin68 No, because they "challenge everything"...
WHO cares about EA and who trust them I dont, even if they did support the NX it would get late half backed over priced pills of ported crap.Then what they will say is nobody's buying are Games and say there just drop it and blame Nintendo fans.One reason was that they wanted nintendo to have that EAs origin and the big N said kown.
@ThanosReXXX Well 'it's in the game'!
...I didn't even read what they had to say.
@ThanosReXXX There was No justification there, EA change the Goal posts and wanted to control nintendo, as you said they change there minds after All hard work on version for Wii u but then turned tail and wanted Nintendo to use origin and the big N wrightly said get stuffed.EA are nothing but bullys.So that's why Wii U had over well over priced ports many months after the other two.
@blinder2 There's two sides to the story. And this is only what has supposedly happened, so nothing is set in stone.
And although I am a Nintendo fan, I still try to look at it as objectively as I can and if they have indeed constructed the core of Nintendo's online infrastructure and then got turned down simply because they wanted to discuss Origin and Nintendo didn't want to go there, then there can very well be some justifiable anger there, depending on what was agreed upon beforehand and how much Nintendo paid EA to help them.
So, since we have no definite knowledge whatsoever as to what has transpired there behind closed doors, we can never fully judge them either. Might just as well be partly Nintendo's own fault for all we know.
@ThanosReXXX
Hmmm... reminds me of that whole deal with Sony that fell through and created the Playstation. If I recall, Sony wanted to control Nintendo, too. Guess the moral here is don't try to strong-arm Ninty, 'cause it's not gonna work.
At end of the day when we did get Games from EA they were cappy over priced and ports of games that were way to late.Whoever the fault lied with EA and Nintendo(I stand by my first comment )it was the Nintendo fan who got sitting ports from EA and then there xcuse was nintendo fans don't buy are games,this was done on purpose as they wanted an xcuse to not make Games for Nintendo.
@Philo Something to that extent, yes...
I don't care much for EA games. Just some stuff from Bioware.
I know they have to be there for some people to consider a console a success, but meh.
EA will most likely support the system if they feel their games will suit the system, and if people actually buy the games. If Nintendo shows a console that is focused more on the casual gamer, chances are you won't be seeing the same type of experience you'll get on xbox, playstation, and pc
@aaronsullivan EA wanted to merge origin with nintendo network and nintendo said no and EA threw a tantrum over it
"EA has developed for Nintendo for 30 years..."
That's where the article lost me as I went to blow my nose from snorting yogurt.
Well, let's see if EA will make any decent games for NX like during Wii and NDS era.
@Anti-Matter i wouldnt get your hopes up
"EA has never come out and said it won't develop for Nintendo."
And they haven't developed anything meaningful for Nintendo since Madden 13 either, so what's your point?
@Camilla
Well, i'm not hoping so much for EA if they can bring their franchises like The Sims series and MySims series. If they can bring that again on NX with improved gameplay quality, maybe i will consider those titles.
@Anti-Matter their dlc practices also sucks as well
EA in a nutshell.
@Camilla You say that's what happened with EA and Nintendo like it has some reliability behind it. Thanks to @ThanosReXXX I finally see the Reddit source of the rumblings about this and boy am I not impressed! It has always seemed plausible but the details in that account are not very convincing to me. I'm less inclined to agree with it as a possibility now than when I originally caught wind of the idea.
Anyway, something happened. :/
@aaronsullivan dude thats how it happen it was covered by many game sites look it up
@Nintendoforlife Not to be snobby, but EA actually doesn't make Just Dance, Ubisoft does. Just figured that would be good to mention since it reinforces your point
"We've never said we won't develop for Nintendo"
No, but you did put out an insanely lazy group of launch ports and even went out of your way to sabotage some of the titles:
Madden 13: Missing upgraded physic's engine present in 360/PS3 versions, not properly optimized for console resulting in inconsistent framerate. A clearly inferior version of a game that performed better on (at the time) 7 and 6 year old hardware respectively despite the Wii U having superior hardware.
FIFA 13: Lazy port of Fifa 12 passed off as 13. Something they did to original Wii players as well. Once again, A clearly inferior version of a game that performed better on older hardware despite the Wii U having superior hardware.
Mass Effect 3: An already controversial game that was completely sabotaged by EA's announcement of the Mass Effect Trilogy for PS3/360 a mere 2 months before this even launched on Wii U. They also bailed on providing additional DLC the other systems got. This was quite possibly the biggest slap in the face considering Nintendo only fans were missing the superior, earlier games and only getting a third of the series for the same price.
Need for Speed Most Wanted U: Admittedly an excellent game (though this has more to due with the now defunct Criterion than EA) that arrived too late (almost 6 months after other versions). The game was further sabotaged by EA's dropping of DLC support (announced before the game even launched) and the announcement that they had "no games currently in development for Wii U" shortly after this game launched.
There's no way around it, EA wanted to bail on Wii U right out the gate (likely over the Origin deal) and actively pissed all over the system and its fans well before it was even given a proper chance (they had fully jumped ship on Wii U less than 6 months after launch). For comparison, the PS3 sold like hot garbage for its first couple years and yet EA was there plugging away and fully supporting the machine despite the PS3 being difficult to develop for (a similar excuse often leveled at the Wii U). You can debate endlessly the behind the scenes politics but the proof is in the games and how EA handled them. They will have a major uphill struggle getting Nintendo fans to support them on NX "if" they choose to support it.
@Camilla
I know if The Sims 4 PC + DLC kinda disappointed. But, still i haven't played that title. Also, only that title and MySims series that got my attention (The Only Western game that steal my attention) . Well, i know you have dissapointed with EA but hey... at least they still consider their games on NX. Despite all the flaws, If EA can repeat the same momentum like they did during Wii and NDS era with some improvement, i'm sure i can enjoy their games only with that titles. I don't expect much about EA but at least EA can deliver decent games to play by Everyone.
@Philo The only problem is that Sony ended up creating the most popular and successful home consoles of all time.
In other words, all Nintendo did was create their own worst enemy that drove Sega from the market and gave Microsoft a reason to make video game consoles(they saw the Playstation attracting game developers away from the PC)
It's really scary to think about how the entire modern game market was shaped by Nintendo and Sony having a massive falling out over twenty years ago and Sony deciding to make the Playstation themselves.
Put up or shut up EA.
I've never really been an EA fan regardless of what they come out with. My fiance plays Madden but that's all the EA in our house.
I own a PC and a PS4, the few EA games i actully buy wouldn't be missed on a Nintendo Console, i didn't miss them during WiiU, and i barely owned any of their games on my Wii.
"...we just never talk to eachother anymore. Or hang out. Or say 'hi' on subway. And I missed his dad's funeral. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure if I even got an invitation in the mail...
...but we're still friends!"
Nintendo's new Project S.T.E.A.M:
Screw
The
E
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Management!
It's a worrying trend that none of the big AAA third party developers appear to be fully on board with NX yet, and even the ones that are have mostly only really announced half-way efforts to date.
Thanks for more baseless statements, Moore. You sure have backed them up with those four ("fantastic") games you released for the Wii U over the past four years. And EA didn't support the Dreamcast at all, so shut it.
EA haven't made games for Nintendo for 30 years. Its 20-25 years at most.
Their last Wii U games ever was finilized for Wii U launch, and abandoned Nintendo.
I have never seen any EA game on 3DS.
I happy too see EA games on Nintendo systems adds more variety.
EA follows the money.
If NX is popular you can bet your britches EA will support it.
@Ventilator
There are The Sims 3 and The Sims 3 Pets 3DS version.
Well, two titles from EA.
Um... There are some EA games during Gamecube , NDS, Wii and 3DS era.
Check on gamefaqs.com
I'm so beyond caring.
When I buy NX, it ain't gonna be hoping to see the next Madden, or Mass Effect, or any other multiplat game.
When I buy NX, it's because I want to play Zelda, and Pikmin, and Monster Hunter, and Xenoblade sequel, and Kid Icarus, and Yoshi, and Fire Emblem, and Luigi's Mansion, and Kirby, and whatever else they put on the platform that I can't play on PS4 and X1.
Now, if we do end up getting a few multiplats I'll take em, most definitely, simply because they'll be portable. But the bread and butter of why I buy any Nintendo console, is the Nintendo-platform exclusives.
Now, people can argue about the success of the console depending on it and all this other stuff but, I really don't care tbh. Success, failure, stack of third-party ports a mile high or no ports at all....
It just doesn't make any difference to me.
Whilst I appreciate that EA games are enjoyed by a lot of people, for me they do not add any attractiveness to a new Nintendo console.
EA produce almost nothing that doesn't devalue immediately and become easily available elsewhere, so why should I care where they put their games. They would NEVER bother to tailor a decent experience for a unique NX console anyway (they are the masters of the repackaged full-price-a-thon) so their support adds little but argumentative clout to those who probably won't want an NX anyway. I'd much rather other good 3rd parties, and the cream of the indie crop were invited along (see PS4's amazing major indie catalogue for reference).
@Philo
Or 'don't strong arm Ninty or you may be forced to wade in and take Nintys market and make a shed load of money'
@TreonsRealm
The comparison with the PS3 doesn't work. At the end of 2007 the PS3 had shipped 10.53 million and at the end of 2008 21.3 million. At the end of 2013 Wii U had shipped 5.86 million and at the end of 2014 9.2 million. Of course the PS3 got more support.
@Anti-Matter I know EA made games on GC, Wii etc..
They basically skipped Wii U and 3DS.
@Ventilator
They didn't skipped 3DS. I have mentioned before.
The Sims 3 and The Sims 3 Pets 3DS version.
These are the proof :
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/sims/images/c/ce/The_Sims_3_Nintendo_3DS.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110404053818
http://images.nintendolife.com/games/3ds/sims_3_pets/cover_medium.jpg
This site also has reviewed about The Sims 3 Pets 3DS version.
Both of them are from EA.
@Camilla you know, looking back at it with hindsight, maybe Nintendo should have taken EA up on that Origin merger. Nintendo's network is crap and undergoing yet another revision with DeNA.
Since EA is talking dreamcast era, Nintendo should do a realistic series of sports sims. Just to mimic that great relationship.
Sorry Moore, but EA's actions speak alot louder than what you are saying. If you want to get back in Nintendo fan's good graces, then do not give us half-assed, late full priced ports. And no reskined of last years games are not going to cut it either.
@gatorboi352
Seriously? Had Nintendo went that route, you would have to pay to play online(As far as I know, Nintendo is the only one not charging to play online as for the PS4 you need Playstation Plus and Xbox One needs Xbox Live Gold, both which charge you per month), there also wouldn't be a good Virtual Console as EA would make sure no competition would be green lit(Meaning no Shovel Knight and the free DLC's for it and no Shantae and the Pirate's Curse), including any Nintendo's own games, and if Nintendo collaborated with any other company(Like what they did with Tecmo which resulted in the successful Hyrule Warriors), EA would pull the plug on the online and Nintendo wouldn't be able to do a thing about it as EA would have complete control of it.
@electrolite77 Actually, the comparison works perfectly when you consider the time period which was before the economic crisis. Both the 360 and Wii were decimating the PS3 and sales of the system were primarily for Blu-Ray and not gaming. PS3 software sales during the first few years were atrocious meaning that companies should have jumped ship but didn't. The PS3 even had a similar situation to Wii U where it was coming off the massive success of the PS2 like the Wii U was coming off the massive success of the Wii. There are a lot of parallels between the PS3 and Wii U but a major difference is that companies didn't actively jump ship on PS3 before it had a chance to get rolling like they did with Wii U. There's no two ways about it, there was/is a double standard when it comes to EA's attitude towards Nintendo and its systems and that will ultimately effect their ability to win back Nintendo fans if they decide to support NX.
@Anti-Matter Yeah, but its only 2 SIMS games or something. Not much. They didn't release any major games on it.
@Camilla Yes, that one unverified comment on reddit that is full of technical weirdness and potential for bias even if it has any legitimacy was reported on, as a rumor, in the echo chamber of game sites. Just because people's opinion on it was repeated over and over and over doesn't make it any more true.
It fits the bill for some event or disagreement that could cause the abrupt rift between EA and Nintendo, but frankly many events fit that bill which are more supported. EA was restructuring, Wii U numbers were very poor, any other internal disagreement, actually.
I think the general idea of EA fighting over Origin inclusion makes some sense on the surface (one login is better than two and EA was hoping for Origin to gain legitimacy) but I was hoping to find some evidence.
Oh well, there is no reliable evidence and it's still a mystery. By all means, if you have something reliable to point me to, please do so.
@TreonsRealm *Claps, thank you for that.
Thats a load of butt...ons
Buy and clean them up already Nintendo.
Who cares about EA? They don't make interesting games anymore. Mirrors Edge 2 maybe, but apparently they even messed up that one a bit.
What a tool. Way to dodge that second question too. Smug as a bug in a mug.
@TreonsRealm
"Actually, the comparison works perfectly when you consider the time period which was before the economic crisis."
The economic crisis isn't relevant here. It wouldn't even explain why Wii U didn't sell. There are plenty of other factors contributing to that.
"Both the 360 and Wii were decimating the PS3 and sales of the system were primarily for Blu-Ray and not gaming. PS3 software sales during the first few years were atrocious meaning that companies should have jumped ship but didn't."
As of April 2008 Sony had sold 12.85 million PS3s and software sales were 71.2 million. As of April 2014 (a similar time on market apart from PS3s late launch in Europe) Nintendo had sold 6.17 Wii U's and software sales were 32.228 million. I'm not sure whether publishers take into account how much the competition are selling so its relevance is questionable but while Sony were 3rd they never had the same gap behind the competition as the Wii U did behind PS3 and 360 when it launched. So that wouldn't seem to explain the disparity in software support.
"The PS3 even had a similar situation to Wii U where it was coming off the massive success of the PS2 like the Wii U was coming off the massive success of the Wii."
Indeed. So nothing there to explain the disparity in software support.
"There are a lot of parallels between the PS3 and Wii U but a major difference is that companies didn't actively jump ship on PS3 before it had a chance to get rolling like they did with Wii U."
That's because PS3 hardware and software sales were much higher than Wii U. That could explain the disparity in software support.
"There's no two ways about it, there was/is a double standard when it comes to EA's attitude towards Nintendo and its systems and that will ultimately effect their ability to win back Nintendo fans if they decide to support NX"
There is two ways about it. It's all opinions really, whether based on sales figures or Reddit posts. We don't actually know for certain why Sony and MS seem to get very strong third-party support but Nintendo don't. We don't know the business arrangements between the platform holders and the publishers are (do Sony and MS offer more attractive terms (lower licencing fees, advertising, bundles etc) than Nintendo?). We don't know why EA and all the other publishers that didn't support Wii U or did it half-heartedly chose not to but the constant in all them decisions is Nintendo.
For all the speculation and conspiracy theories about sinister motives video gaming is a business. The most likely motivator behind any publishers decision to back a platform is 'can I make money?' As consistent a standard as you could hope to find.
@TreonsRealm
P.S. I don't even like EA that much. I had a year of EA Access and a FIFA 16 download when I bought my XB1. The Madden game I played is decent (though I'm no expert on American Football), Battlefield Hard-line dreadful. I was stuck with FIFA because I tried to sell the code on eBay and somebody tried to scam me so I used the code. Good game but PES 2015 was better.
I just believe that it would be good for Nintendo to have them on board and the most likely reason for them and others not being on board previously is business, rather than backroom conspiracies.
@sp_initiate-001 everything you just said is purely based in conjecture and assumption, however.
Plus, after paying for Xbox Live for the first time ever this past year, it's well worth the $30-45 a year they charge. I say 30-45 because you can always find a yearly subscription price on sale somewhere.
Make no mistake about it, Nintendo is the one behind the 8ball in today's gaming market. Not EA, not Sony, not MS or anyone else.
@Camilla Excellent point. Let's hope that EA does the right thing with The Big N.
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