If I were fired from making games at Nintendo, I would feel cataclysmically heartbroken in such a way that I might never recover.
This is the imagined story I have just now constructed in my head, but for former Nintendo localization editor Chris Pranger, this heartache is more than a pained hypothetical. Pranger was recently fired this week for speaking interpersonally about company policy on a podcast. Previously he had worked on such games Animal Crossing: New Leaf, Star Fox Zero, and The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD. Following his termination, he went on to write the following statement on his Facebook wall before soon deleting the post:
I look around my house and see images of my son and feel such intense shame and crippling sadness…I know that if I can't find a job at least as good as this one, I won't be able to provide for my family. I've lost them their health coverage and their security. I also know that I've probably lost a good deal of my friends, just because I know how hard it can be to stay in touch with someone when the convenience of proximity is lost. I'm so sorry to everyone. I've failed you. You believed in me and supported me and trusted me and I've failed you. I've failed me.
The aftermath is saddening, especially considering his crime was certainly PR driven. Throughout the culpable interview, he spoke from a place of intense passion on quite a many topic, and never came across as traditionally "offensive", as one would traditionally expect when dealing with a termination. Instead, he shocked the personal sensibilities of anyone with intimate knowledge of his conservative employer.
In my own personal experience of dealing with Nintendo policies and employees, I consider myself privileged to be bestowed the company line on any given day. Their preferred headline: "Breaking! Splatoon fun for the whole family!"
But here, an absolutely unprecedented sequence: A Nintendo employee speaking at extreme lengths about the most personal of workplace related topics. Some examples?
- Masahiro Sakurai, director of the Super Smash Bros. series, is so driven an artisan that he in turn is an emotional trainwreck at work. Moreover, a story told directly implied Smash balances were at the whim of personal matches in which Sakurai himself had lost.
- Localization costs are a matter most fans rarely take into account when asking for foreign games. On the surface, this is not a dramatic statement, even when considering it may have been out of step with company policy to say so out loud, but here it was spoken with a flair of hubris and indignation.
- Nintendo does not make voice acting a priority in the same way their competitors do. Again, somewhat innocuous in a passing statement, but not a flattering headline. More interesting was a detailed story of Snake's voice acting in Super Smash Bros. Brawl being an issue of union vs. non-union politics.
- Fans lack appreciation for character localization insofar that their favourite characters are, in some cases, lightly written or not written at all, and thus logical character development is seen as an affront to the fans. This again, spoken glibly.
If one were running a video game blog, the contents of this single podcast could feed a large family of five for a week with its ample headlines. Offhand, 'Nintendo Treehouse employee doesn't know "why they're gonna do" FFVII, thinks Square-Enix is "asking for trouble"', or 'Nintendo Treehouse employee doesn't like the "New" Super Mario Bros. name either', or "Voice of Fox McCloud reportedly upset by fan reaction to his Smash Bros. voice', or 'Treehouse Employee equates Miyamoto's directorial direction to 'sausage being made''. That last one was not even followed up on, which by itself is an affront to journalism altogether.
The broaching of these topics seem shocking to anyone who follows the company, but contrasted to the general landscape of the gaming developer world et al., perhaps not as shocking as one might think.
In the past, indie developers have carved an entire business model out of transparent, two way communications with consumers, not least of which are the exploits of many indie game makers like Jonathan Blow and Phil Fish. (Heck, you can watch an entire documentary just about their own neuroticism.)
Titans of industry have more at stake, but crucial figureheads like Gabe Newell of Valve have over the years provided many anecdotes regarding intimate company policy, while industry veterans like Tim Schafer, Peter Molyneux and Warren Spector, among many others, are perpetual chatterboxes regarding their creative processes and bureaucratic observations.
This does not mean a multi-billion dollar corporation should play fast-and-loose with company transparency. But talking about general company reasoning and interesting creative anecdotes shouldn't be so taboo.
Over a time, Nintendo has in some ways lifted its iron-clad grasp on those who work for the Big N. A quick Google search of higher-up Nintendo employees will net you the personal Twitter accounts of spokespeople who speak candidly on various personal topics, political, or otherwise. Case and point: Bill Trinen and other Treehouse members are free to speak on social media regarding personal politics here in the year 2015, where in an episode ten years prior, Nintendo had sent Suicide Girls, an adult website, a cease and desist letter simply because a forum member listed "Metroid" and "Zelda" under her favourite games on her profile. Progress.
In the same vein, the late Satoru Iwata's very own "Iwata Asks" column shed a personal light on development stories not at all unlike the ones shared on that podcast. When Pranger spoke about localization issues of puns between Nintendo and NOA, one could imagine that identical conversation having happened on Nintendo's very own self-published media channel.
But holding sway is the line between wanted attention on these issues - from a corporate standpoint - and the ability to speak more freely as both a passionate creator and a fan regarding what you do for a living. Under the current structure of Nintendo's corporate policies, almost certainly was Pranger at fault; If anything, an employee should not so hastily cast an impassioned Sakurai under such an unflattering light.
But should Nintendo be so tightlipped about why a game like Xenoblade Chronicles is a dicey proposition, anyway? Would conveying to the consumer that the costs and expected audience for certain games is out-of-whack be a worse proposition than coming across as a monolithic, out-of-touch collection of suits that fans thought needed an intervention?
This fan to American Nintendo President Reggie on the streets of New York City in 2012: "Can you make the next handheld region free, because I have Project X Zone and I can't play it because I need $300 to import the Japanese DS."
Reggie: "…Um, Uhhhh….sorry…about that."
Awkward.
There is a space that exists between corporate conduct and personal gossip that serves a valid purpose. Pranger's breathless words felt as shocking as a cannonball into an ice-cool pool only because Nintendo so often keeps its sometimes strange reasonings out of sight of their fans and investors. But unfortunately for the company, some of these things do not then remain out of mind.
Though Pranger's terms of employment evidently included a clause that had been breached, this is still a regrettable matter that many of us empathize towards. Prangar still maintains an image as a likable figure, despite this strange episode.
But whenever the company is in a board room meeting hashing out ways to better reach their consumers, one can hope canned twitter speech and highly pre-meditated viral videos are not their only weapons of choice within a sub-culture that is more interconnected than ever before.
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Nintendo's Dismissal of Chris Pranger Highlights Issues With Company Culture?
I thoroughly disagree. If I had spoken so candidly about processes with in my job I would expect the same treatment. regardless of the content of what he said, be it positive or negative towards his former employer, it was an act of betrayal. They're not going to turn around and say, 'well you breached your contract but what you said paints this organisation in a positive light so we'll let you off'. Some of the comments he was making were just plain crazy and they made me cringe. I thought there would be repercussions. But not because he worked for Nintendo. Their policy is the same as probably every other company in the world. He crossed a line, and now he's gonna really struggle to find work in the games industry which is a shame of course but totally deserved.
I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that someone that goes and publicly speaks ill of their company, even in the most mundane ways, gets fired. I'd expect the same for my job.
Is Nintendo really that much different from other video game companies when it comes to secrecy? If someone was leaking footage of Uncharted 4, got caught, and fired, would we be any more surprised than if it happened with someone leaking footage of Smash? It seems like nintendo gets a rep for being super tough, but I'm not sure any other gaming company would be any different.
Chris Prangar, you have failed this city!
Let's get this out of the way right now: the impetus of the piece is that while he probably did enough to consider termination, nintendo's standard is not as universal as with other game makers.
People act like he was giving out release dates and secret projects. He didn't. In the eyes of Nintendo, he most likely just disclosed more than they were comfortable with. That comfort I am (for the most part) questioning here.
that was a great article! its sad to see him get the boot for seemingly so little.
What people are forgetting is that even if Nintendo loved this employee and wanted to keep him (regardless of what was shared) they really can't. If they set the precedent that it is ok to speak openly and don't terminate him then it means the next employee can get away with it. Even if the next employee really bad mouths them and shares all their secrets their lawyer could claim discrimination because they didn't do anything to Mr. Prangar. Nintendo is caught in a catch 22. They are darned if they do and darned if they don't. I really do feel bad for Mr. Prangar - this is a terrible story all the way around, but I'm not sure if Nintendo has any other choice.
He messed up, he knows it and he's taking responsibility for it. Nintendo is a company that needs to protect it's name and has policies in place about this kind of stuff.
It's unfortunate that this happened but he'll find another job people.
I feel bad for the guy, cause I don't really find any of the information that new. It all made sense when I read it, and was like yeah okay, why is this headline news? And then he got fired over it? For telling people what they should have already figured out? I currently love and hate Nintendo, and don't see this changing in the long run. I love their games, but have been hating them as a company for the last few years.
100% agree with this. What he did might have went against policy but that policy is outdated. This is more about NoJ being butthurt about what was said then anything. This company is so hush hush one day that might bring them down.
He did a stupid thing and he paid for it. Get over it.
I hate secrets. I hate groups that harbor secrets, and most of all, I hate corporations because at the end of the day they're there to make money. Anything else is just a front so that they can connect to people emotionally. All content allowed to the public is strictly controlled, and secrets are held. I like knowledge, and so I want that knowledge. I think knowledge held is knowledge used for selfish goals. I will have this knowledge, these secrets will become mine and join me in Apocrypha for I am Hermaeus Mora.
Another thing people are missing is that this is a publicly traded company. Any comments can and will be used by the media (as we have already seen) in and out of context and can actually drive real consequences for the company's stocks. I worked at a former company where an employee was interviewed by a local paper and was asked about two different people being considered for the new CEO position at our company. They gave positive information regarding both candidates, but the paper only posted her stance on one of the candidates which made it sound like that was the one she only supported. She had a really hard time around the company after that article ran. Media/News will take quotes and do what they want with them. Look at this story about Mr. Prangar. Do a google search for Nintendo news right now and the headlines alone show opinion more than just stating the facts.
Good riddance, Pranger. Gives new meaning to cleaning house.
I'm glad he did this. Now that we know that Nintendo doesn't put as much quality into localisation as they should, it makes me trust them even less.
I disagree with this article.
The problem here is that you are imagining that you had his job and then lost it. You know you would feel very bad about that and thus you feel it is unfair.
There is a clause in my contract with my current company that states if I make public statements that tarnish the image of the company or any of its employees then I can be terminated. If I went on twitter and started airing the company's dirty laundry, and I got fired for it, that would be on my head. People might feel sorry for me, but that would not change the fact that it was my fault and there would be no one to blame but me.
If this guy had only spoken about localization I am sure that he would have been OK. However, he spoke about senior employees in the company (some of the biggest) in a less than flattering way. He got the air and kind of lost his mind a bit in the spotlight. That is why he was fired. Its too bad, but its not unfair.
"If I were fired from making games at Nintendo, I would feel cataclysmically heartbroken in such a way that I might never recover"
Yup
I understand that the business world can be a cruel and unforgiving place, but I feel pity for Mr.Pranger. After all, it was his dream job and he has a family to care for and support. Although it may have been a mistake on his part, I wish him the best of luck with finding a new job, and hopefully things work out for him.
@BlatantlyHeroic
proves the point of how damaging some of these comments can be to a company. If there was any investor that thought Xenoblade was going to be a boon for the company now they have inside information that Nintendo doesn't expect it to do well and NOE is actually looking to write the project off as a loss. I can't imagine saying anything remotely like that about who I work for.
@Pandaman it's Satoru* Iwata
It's his fault he should have known Nintendo is delicate or very serious about things like this(he shouldn't have said anything). He dug his own grave now lie in it. But i really hope he finds some way to get money somehow,i hope. It's not easy not knowing what to do next,or how you're going to pay the bills.
Companies have politics and rules. You follow them or find another place. Sorry about him losing his job but he should know better before speaking in public.
That's the real world.
I seen these comments a few days ago and thought hmm should he be saying that! Now he's fired so I guess not!!
I very much doubt that was the first thing he did wrong.
Poor guy. I don't agree with the things he said about fans not appreciating localization costs as it all sounded like stuff to me, but really sucks for him to lose his job over it.
Though:
"Fans lack appreciation for character localization insofar that their favourite characters are, in some cases, lightly written or not written at all, and thus logical character development is seen as an affront to the fans. This again, spoken glibly."
This man has never played a Neptunia game I take it? It's difficult to "appreciate" character localization if the localized version is written so incredibly poorly. Especially if the character is the MAIN character.
In regards to Nintendo, what characters are he talking about?
@Spoony_Tech Um... the policy is outdated? No it isn't. Companies and corporations have this so that others don't steal their ideas and/or stuff just doesn't get out their to have the potential to give the company a bad image. What happened to him is perfectly valid and he should have expected it. Sony would be this way, Microsoft would be this way, Salt, oil,Mining companies, you name it. They would all have a policy like this in place so that people cannot go and blab about things they are not supposed to to the media and public.
I felt really bad for him, but the more I think about it the more I feel he totally deserved it.
There is absolutely no reason for a Treehouse employee to go on a podcast, it is not their job to play the PR role. He had nothing to gain from his appearance except to garner some recognition among gamers and to appear interesting...his vanity got the better of him and he realized that too late.
@BlatantlyHeroic I don't think is just Nintendo that doesn't put that said A-grade localization quality into their (hundreds, let alone thousands) UNRELEASED games. It also goes for every known Japanese gaming company.
He was just honest, if he had said something like, "We're working on it", "We want the best for our fans" or "Please understand" Nintendo would have offered him a better position in the company instead.
He was fired because he revealed Nintendo's true philosophy.
I thought his "offending" podcast comments were interesting and insightful. If anything, they made Nintendo more human.
I feel guilty now but I believe my comment was 'this guy hates money so much that he's jeopardising his employment' in reference to him talking about fans claims that Nintendo hate money!
@VanillaLake Not really, Nintendo's Philosophy has been known for quite some time and was basically public knowledge. He was most likely fired due to breaking his NDA.
This is nonsense. It wasn't his job to speak on the behalf of Nintendo on how they run the company internally. Also, it was not the only reason they fired him, I'm sure. Him going public about getting the boot is so pathetic and unprofessional that I doubt he will get hired any time soon by another game company. Such a lamo
Companies like this have to be careful about the information they're sending out. Maybe they should be more open and less tight lipped. But thats not the issue. A lot of the info revealed isn't damaging to the company. The issue is in the one calling the shots. Should each of the hundreds of employees in the company be allowed to personally decide what to talk about and what should remain confidential, and represent Nintendo to the media? Or should it be handled by a professional PR team?
@OneBagTravel He knows he messed up and he's not taking responsibility. He's trying to blow it up on the internet and make it everybody's business. He's trying to show Nintendo in a bad light, saying 'Oh I'm looking at pictures of my son and I'm so sad because of them firing me.' Dude should have been thinking about this when he was at work, not after he got fired.
I feel for Chris, but even he knows he screwed up and companies all over the world, in all industries and services, will fire employees for similar behavior. This isn't worth talking about beyond the initial firing. Let the man learn from his mistake and move on.
@Spoony_Tech This has nothing to do with Nintendo of Japan. Its NoA's decision and only NoA's decision to do this. They are the ones that decide who to fire from NoA while the big N has other things to worry about like making games for us!
@rob955 I thought the same thing. I was thinking this is too transparent for Nintendo. Nobody wants Nintendo to be a transparent company, it takes away the magic.
Personal opinion + social media = personal suicide.
The quote "don't bite the hand that feeds" comes to mind, within all companies regardless if it's written in contract or not would have a policy of staff not bad-mouthing their employers/products.
If it's one employee to another in breakroom or outside its less likely to be informed to upper management unless overheard, on social media that can be read by anyone .. Your words are out there for all to see & interprete as they read it or in the case of a podcast how the voice is heard/tone of voice.
I've not heard the podcast but if the transcripts here are anything to go by, he said what he believed to be true - just maybe a little thought beforehand may not of led to his dismissal.
Thoroughly disagree with the slant of this op-ed. And yes, saying any kind of smack talk about one of the most successful developers (Sakurai) within the company would be reasonably considered off limits for a Nintendo employee. Among other boneheaded things he said. He was obviously a liability to Nintendo, and they're better off now. By the way, the author of this makes no allowance to the fact that the employee may have already been on warning for earlier transgressions.
Pranger screwed up and broke his NDA, and he got fired for it. Simple as that. That would've been the case for any company out there.
The main problem is not what he said, but that he said stuffs that the company filed under the "not share or you get fired" label. There are surely a ton of really sensible infos in there, so it makes totally sense that he got fired, else if the next time an employ will reveal something really important they won't be able to do anything (exceptions and precedents can really become a matter in these cases).
The fact that Nintendo is keeping under secret even less important informations is a different matter, they should/can/could/whatever change their policy and what kind of infos are "supersecret", but if you work there you should first make sure the company changed such policy before speak at a podcast.
That said I'm sorry for him that he lost the job, he tossed it upon himself, but it's pretty clear that he didn't meant to harm neither gamers or Nintendo, he only took too lightly what he could or could not say; not forgivable on a company side, but understandable on the human one (and honestly I'm not sure if in his place I would have avoided to do the same big mistake ^_^; )
@Artwark Don't believe that for a second. They control everything within the company. The only thing NA really does is decide what games come to market. NoJ can say whom to fire anywhere they want.
Sorry but no. He should have known better than to talk shop to the media. That's a big no-no in [italic]any[/italic] company.
One way in which Nintendo can defuse this in the future is to be more transparent about costs and process. The Iwata Asks I think was a great way to do this. It allows the employees to feel like their part of the story is being told and the bloated angst of secrecy has a release valve. Perhaps something similar is needed at a place like The Treehouse.
In fact I think the post-E3 sessions were helpful. The expressions of joy at just being able to share what they do and participate in an open way for their company. It could be that felt so satisfying to Chris Pranger he just lost his senses a bit.
Was the whole interview unauthorized, maybe? And then he went for it on top of that? I mean, when you put it all together I even wonder if he thought he was speaking under anonymity.
I can't help but feel for the guy, though. He's in a tough spot and I hope he can find new employment very soon.
@JohnBlackstar That is partly true. There are ways of dealing with it and warning everyone without firing him. On the other hand, this is the second visible person to be fired for similar things, so maybe those warnings have long been issued and these are the two that decided to test limits.
@aaronsullivan "One way in which Nintendo can defuse this in the future is to be more transparent about costs and process"
This is EXACTLY it. Why foster an environment of secrecy and bureaucracy? Are investors seriously hinged on import statuses of niche titles so much that it's worth the goodwill of your consumer base? Just make the general difficulties of localization common knowledge, and you avoid looking like an evil corporation. In turn, employees aren't grinning through their teeth when they're asked "WHERE IS THIS GAME" on a daily basis.
You can't have employees randomly spilling the beans about what goes on inside your company to the wider world. If he felt he had something really important that he needed to share, then he should have leaked the information to a journalist or website that would be willing to protect his identity as a source.
I feel bad for the guy insofar as I feel bad for anyone who gets sacked and loses their income/insurance/whatnot, but this doesn't reflect poorly on Nintendo at all.
I'm confused about this article.What exactly is is trying to say?I once read on a forum that after Iwata became president that the old guard were aghast at his new policies.As to the article it seems to be trying to be painting Nintendo as the bad guy in this.I feel bad that he was fired but that is the right that the a company has if they hire you.You follow the rules that they set in exchange for money and whatever else they offer.
Personally, I think he said what Nintendo should've said since day 1.
For years, heck, decades at this point, we have always wanted too know why Nintendo does things a certain way.
Why they haven't made a new Earthbound Game in Years, shedding light on subjects that Nintendo has avoided & refused too answer.
Personally, if I had a Company, I'd hire the guy myself in an instant for what he's done & he should be applauded for actually answering questions that the fans really wanted too know.
Not just from a list of pre-approved questions & answers as per the norm.
Mainly because I always keep hearing the same thing. "Please understand." Or what ever else Nintendo says usually.
Oh Yeah,what's with Nintendo life lately?The headline makes it seem very click baity. It's making something out of nothing I say.
@Spoony_Tech No, it isn't outdated. Pretty much every big company has policies like this. If they didn't fire him, or if the policies weren't there in the first place, that wouldn't stop the next employee from talking about stuff he wasn't supposed to either. You have to draw a line somewhere, he crossed that line, he even signed the contract knowing very well what was allowed and what not. This is entirely his own fault and this has nothing to do with Nintendo's policies.
@Robo-Knight You can't just say things like that to the company you work for.It just isn't done in any industry.
@NandN3ds What exactly did he say again?
@pandaman
"Are investors seriously hinged on import statuses of niche titles so much that it's worth the goodwill of your consumer base? Just make the general difficulties of localization common knowledge, and you avoid looking like an evil corporation."
Investors don't want to read about anything negative with a company. They don't want to read stories about employees saying, "That game (Xenoblade Chronicles) is not the type of game that just pulls in enough to justify the costs on that. So that’s like, we got it in the States by luck, that NoE decided “Oh, we’ll take the fall. We’ll localize that.” Okay, cause someone is going to have to eat the costs somewhere, because that game is guaranteed to not sell enough to justify how big that game is." This is how people get scared and start pulling their money out.
Wish we could get James* take on this. Didn't he leave NL about 2 years ago to go work at Nintendo? I still miss the guy.
*Not sure if James was his first or last name, or even his name, but it sounds about right.
Reality check in case no one else posted it yet, In North America everything from department store jobs and up pretty much have this policy.
It sucks not for foolish situations like this, but for ones where people are concerned about safety issues, etc and know they can still be legally fired in some instances where they are just in bringing stuff forward.
I am not happy with this guy losing his job but it's nothing compared to the serious issues surrounding the same issue.
I feel bad for him, but let's look at the whole picture. If you aren't supposed to talk about you're job, why would you? During Treehouse Live at E3 coverage, other Treehouse members talked about how they had to work in secrecy and not talk about their work. No matter how important the info was, if you aren't supposed to talk about it, then don't!
Things like this can happen to people with "normal" jobs as well. I have heard tales of people who went home after a bad day at work and posted something about their boss or a co-worker on their Facebook page. Word gets back to the company and get fired for discussing internal company business on a public forum.
@NandN3ds "This does not mean a multi-billion dollar corporation should play fast-and-loose with company transparency. But talking about general company reasoning and interesting creative anecdotes shouldn't be so taboo."
A final word for me on this: A lot of people are playing armchair HR person with this. For some reason, standards of bureaucratic conduct are ingrained in so many people that they feel almost personally offended if they hear someone was out of line at their job. Question why you feel this way.
I recall off the top of my head people like Kevin Levine telling a reporter about market research and how most college kids have never heard of Bioshock, and the lengths they went to to try and market to them.
Gabe Newell has been so frank with Valve's customer base on virtually everything other than sequels. It's common knowledge that he goes through spells where he personally answers questions in his inbox, saying things that would otherwise force someone like Reggie to step down if he was ever recorded saying.
Someone like Doug TenNapel or Senran Kagura or other, let's call it open minded developers? They certainly are still in the industry. Heck, Warren Specter told me himself what he thought about specific developers and their creative practices - ON the record!
These people are at the top of their development teams, but they also have frequently worked for bigger corporations. I am not saying what Prangar did was equatable to the general day in and day out conduct of the average game maker. FAR from it, as I spelled clearly out at the top. But who among you wasn't refreshed to hear most of what he had to say? And then who among you don't feel more enlightened about the company you follow after having heard most of those things?
I, for one, enjoy the idea of a more transparent Nintendo. Nintendo employees ARE allowed to talk about their jobs more today than ever before. He obviously got his wires crossed during that interview, but it's not as shocking as some of the more fervent gut-reactions would have you believe. Not even close.
@rjejr It was closer to 3 years now and yes James was his name!
@Octane I'm not saying that this in particular is outdated but the company as a whole is. They are so need deep in Japanese tradition and so far behind the times. This is just another incident in a long line of them for this company. I don't believe for one second Reggie or any of the other higher ups get fired over this.
I also think this is a very relevant topic as to what Nintendo is as a company. If no one else sees that in this artical than you are blind to what Alan is getting at.
Hopefully Nintendo gave him a warning first instead of just suddenly firing him. It's an unfortunate situation, but people do get into trouble if they talk too much publicly about work.
Masahiro Sakurai probably had an emotional outburst over his comment.
@Spoony_Tech "This is just another incident in a long line of them for this company".
Except it's not. This is in no way behind the times. Any company today would have done the same thing.
Any employee that signs a contract needs to know their role. This firing, was unfortunately for him and his family justified. Nintendo is iron clad with their employees. Especially, in the digital age, this type of stuff could be taken way out of context and affect Nintendo. I'm sure a few shareholders and higher ups were alerted to this, and said initiate the termination asap. Again, unfortunate, but you have to know better.
@Spoony_Tech I agree, I doubt they would fire a person like Reggie or any higher up, over something like this. Mostly because they are far more significant and important to Nintendo, than someone like Mr.Pranger.
@Spoony_Tech - "It was closer to 3 years now"
You just like making me feel old, don't you.
@rjejr I try!
@Spoony_Tech Well then, why would you complain about this if you don't think this is outdated? Apparently you're not fine with the policies. However, this isn't a ''Japanese tradition'', policies like this exist for employees all over the world. They exist to protect the company. Now this case might not have caused damage at all to Nintendo, but they have to draw a line. Pranger was very well aware of this and he crossed that line.
So no, I don't think that this topic is relevant at all, because they're in this regard the same company as any other company. Don't pretend that this is Nintendo's fault, because any other company would've done the same.
@Aromaiden Which goes to a lot of people posting on this and the one yesterday saying anyone that did what he did would be fired.
@Spoony_Tech Probably because the higher ups are often who determine what can be and what can't be said. But still, they will have a limit but they are also up there because they know they won't say what they shouldn't
Darn it Nintendo, there's nothing wrong with being a nudie who likes Nintendo.
Maybe she just wanted to play Super Pinball?
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Like others have said, if I spoke out publicly regarding the upper processes at my work (Target), I'd get fired. It's just something most people can't do.
He was stupid to do it but people saying "good riddance" should F*ck off.
What a bunch of losers.
I'd not heard that Sakurai comment before, that alone seems more than enough to get him fired. Whether he meant it the way it reads or not.
Anyway this is a non-article. He made a mistake he's hopefully learned his lesson and will get a new job elsewhere. Less of this please NL.
Ok. You had a typo where you wrote Saturo Iwata instead of Sator, and I don't think the fan was using auto-correct when he talked to Reggie in person. "I need $300 to important the Japanese DS." Then again it could have been an error he made if Japanese was his first language.
Not much to say on the actual article sorry.
P.S. The typos don't bother me I just thought I'd point them out...
@Spoony_Tech
The higher ups usually won't have this problems because they know clearly what they cannot say and are not willing to gamble their jobs away. This guy must have signed and NDA and the rules were clearly stated there, and no, that policy is not outdated nor "Japanese tradition". Go to Silicon valley and and almost everyone there has an NDA and will be fired if they say something. It is normal, what it is not normal is that if he knew he needed that job (or he truly liked it), why in the world he took that risk?
@Jayvir Exactly. He over stepped his role at the company.
The guy had a job at Nintendo. At NINTENDO! He was very stupid to say those things, but we're only human. Poor guy, but what did he expect!? Eugh...
So the guy admits he did something wrong and people still blame Nintendo? These are the "fans", huh? Signing an NDA's and not having enough sense to think before he speaks is probably what did it. I defended the guy before, but that was before I knew more of what he said. If I said that about anyone I work for, I would be SURPRISED if I didn't get canned.
@DiscoGentleman I couldn't agree more. As usual, Nintendolife, you continue to be less and less of a Nintendo fan site with each asinine article you create. This article is beyond disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
@AyeHaley
I don't like how why everyone seems to be pointing out NDA are standard fare(which they are) they aso don't seem to have any issue with them in the first place even though they can be used for more than just keeping company secrets safe.
It doesn't surprise me at all. All he did was paint the company in a negative light, talk down to the most vocal of fans like us who discuss these things (saying "you people" is never a good thing to do), make one of the most famous developers seem petty and angry towards one of Nintendo's biggest franchises, and essentially called NoJ out on its stupid marketing of the word "new".
I feel really bad for him, and I hope he can eventually find a job he's just as passionate about, but he made multiple mistakes. It wasn't just one thing he said, he said many things that was what most likely landed him past "scolding" straight to termination.
@Aromaiden Probably. Anyway, in this hypocritical business it's interesting hearing some sincerity. Much more interesting than "Please, understand" while not giving a da*n.
I feel sorry for the dude. It is a very unfortunate situation. He did land himself in it, but he seems to be a very nice bloke. I hope he bounces back and he doesn't let this sour his view on the company. He sounds like a huge fan.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you. You can't expect to speak poorly about important people in the company and keep your job. It isn't about "issues with company culture" it is just about how you present yourself especially when representing a company. I would like to know if he got permission to appear on this Podcast or if the "laxed" rules change made him think he didn't need to ask for permission. I would never want to represent a company without direct permission from some of the top people in a company.
I am sure Nintendo is legally right to sack him.
I am sure Amazon is legally right to pay minimal tax in the UK.
This does not mean I have to like either action.
I feel sorry for the guy; he has made a mistake and his employer has done what is within their right to do.
Nintendo has not won any goodwill from me in this episode. perhaps they don't need to, perhaps how they deal with their employees is their own business.
I will carry on doing what is best with my money too, without any emotional connections with Nintendo.
@SetupDisk Thus is the corporate landscape of the US right now. There is a ton of people willing to do your job for less money out there, so corporations are capable of playing fast and loose. Don't like it, well the next candidate will do it and lick our shoes as a bonus. Since our government has dismantled or weakened most regulation over business, and top earners in general, there is little or no consequences.
If I did what Chris Prangar did, I would be fired from where I work. I would guess that most of us would be fired from where we work. It isn't a matter of NDA, it is a most likely an issue of him violating the "Employee Code of Conduct" portion of the employee manual he signed (possibly without reading).
Great article! A little bit too controversial for a 'Nintendo fansite', perhaps? But i can't disaggree with anything said in the article.
this boils down to respect people. what he said about nintendo customers was disrepectful to nintendo customers. you can't speak for a company that prides itself on it's respect for others and treat customers as "whiney", no matter how much you may feel they are. being fired? harsh, but they trusted in him to understand and internalize a core value when representing them, and he didn't.
I'd def kill myself if I lost that. Why bother anymore
@DiscoGentleman You are correct 100%.
@Morph Nice Arrow reference.
@Morph Maybe Pranger can fight Reggie at Summerslam to get his job back.
@Pandaman This is the problem in a nutshell. Chris Prangar was not hired to talk to the public about Nintendo. Chris Prangar was hired to do something within the walls of the Treehouse branch of Nintendo. In that hiring process, Chris Pranger most likely was required to read an employee manual and sign an "Employee Code of Conduct" and even possibly an NDA. Chris Pranger willfully violated those terms and broke his contract with Nintendo. Hence why Chris Pranger rightly places all blame for his termination on himself and his own personal failure.
If Chris Pranger had done what he did with three of his drinking buddies in the privacy of his living room with no recorder, he would be going to work at Nintendo today. Had he chosen to anonymously post to a forum, he probably would still have a job today (although he and his co-workers would probably all collectively take heat for it). Instead, even in the best possible light, he chose to publicly identify himself as a Nintendo employee and then speak Nintendo's business in a way that presented him as company representative.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR I agree with you, makes me wonder how many people here have had jobs before.
@Dankykong I know you are probably joking, but suicide can and is a serious problem. While Chris may have stepped out of the bounds of what his position allowed him to talk about, it's just difficult because he didn't really say anything damaging about the company. He was just honest and maybe not as professional as they had wanted. Chris's worth isn't any less for being fired from his job, and I'm sure he will do well in life at some other company. That's life, we make mistakes, we learn, we move on. I'm sure he still has a great appreciation for Nintendo as a company and his Nintendo co-workers who are sad to see him go.
@DiscoGentleman
You know why NintendoLife are running this garbage right? Because most of the articles here get like 10-30 comments. The last two about Mr. Pranger got over 200 each. Which is more clicks, and thus, more money.
EDIT: Expect them to milk this for all the clicks for the foreseeable future.
Nintendo is too strict in general
@FLUX_CAPACITOR I don't know who wrote this, but these melodramatic clickbait articles don't make this site a better place as a news site. And apart from the topic itself, it's a terrible article. Halfway through and I didn't even know what I was reading anymore, no cohesive substance whatsoever.
@SquirrelNuts Thanks for pointing that out - a previous report had his name spelled "prangar", so we erroneously went off of that. It looks like they have corrected their misspelling, and we will do so as well shortly. Apologies to Pranger.
@Darknyht
It is a pretty sad situation.
Interesting read. I dream of being able to work for them in some neat way one day, despite feeling trapped in the black hole that is WV, so I can only imagine the pain he is dealing with. I pray and hope the best for his family too.
Some things he said did make me wonder about the whole localization process a bit more. I wish NA and the other regions were just as big if a priority to them, but it doesn't always seem th is way. I've complained about NOA before, but I wonder how much if it is plain out out of their control due to what Japan says they can and can't do.
There was not anything wrong with what he said it was how he said it.
He, to an extent threw Nintendo of Europe and XSeed under the bus.
When did this site get so many hateful users in the comments? I thought.I closed out of Reddit and IGN. If you hate the place how about going elsewhere
Wasn't this guy the same person who wrote the 1st Starfox Zero E3 impressions article? Maybe he likes to be controversial in his opinion articles
I really disagree emphatically. His interview was a very poor decision on his part, he knows he was at fault and said so himself. Chris made a judgement error and often that can get you fired. Any company would react similarly.
Actually some go even farther and sue.
http://mashable.com/2012/10/09/sony-commercial-actor-sued-wii/
Did everybody forget about that? That's even more ridiculous because it didn't negatively impact his former company, but simply benefited another one.
For all we know, this was the last straw in a string of offenses he's committed with the company
Rule of thumb in the business world: You don't over-step your bounds with any company.
You sign a NDA document.
You break it.
You got fired.
Don't see the point of this article.
Balance patches based on SAKURAI'S PERFORMANCE? I smell bias! I can only imagine why Greninja keeps getting nerfed...
@SuperCharlie78
$$$, I'm not really judging anybody but you get paid for articles and if it gets lots of people talking and spreading it... Well you know.
I like NintendoLife but Kotaku is another story...
@Spoony_Tech @rjejr
Here you go, old men:
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/07/site_news_james_finds_a_warp_zone
aren't you covering this guy too much?
his blabbing was damaging, it killed enthusiasm. i got as "shuddap about your interest in this game, it's not as easy as you think bringing it over, you fans aren't a big enough demographic to bet on". i already understood there was a risk to pretty much everything but the comments he was complaining about was voiced support for the risks. they didn't have to act on them but his rejection was a bad move.
the 1st article you posted about this guy i was imagining one of the people off screen doing the "cut it out" hand sign.
So many people here are saying, "This would happen in ANY company! This outcome was inevitable!" I would say that's primarily only accurate when you're talking about for profit companies, especially large for profit companies. However, this does not, in fact, apply ANYwhere. This would not be an immediately fireable offense in the place I'm working right now, although it is a nonprofit outfit with minimal overhead. The director would probably just reprimand you and give you a warning not to speak in such a way again. We don't have any NDA, and we talk about how our business operates all the time.
Even we would not phrase our words in the abrasive and unprofessional manner that Pranger did, though. If he were more cordial, he probably wouldn't have gotten the Axe.
@sinalefa Wow, I was almost spot in with my 3 years. I'll take credit for that lol. How long did it take you to dig that up?
I feel bad for the guy,but fired for that? I don't know... Maybe suspension without pay? Oh well...
In response to the article's four bullet points:
1. If true, that would explain a lot as to why Brawl was and Smash 4 is so incredibly poorly balanced, no matter how much time passes, while Project M, an unofficial mod, remains the only version of Smash that makes an honest to goodness effort to balance everyone fairly. Pranger's statement basically makes Sakurai look incompetent as a gameplay mechanics/balance director. Quite an insult.
2. No, that still doesn't explain why small companies like Xseed, ATLUS, NISA, etc have time and again proven this line of reasoning to be patently false. Pranger's comments, if true, make it seem more likely that Nintendo is just poorly equipped to handle efficient translation procedures, and might even be struggling to work through their own bloated overhead to overcome translation efforts. This is not implausible- larger organizations tend to have a more difficult time managing all of their moving pieces than smaller organizations. A small village is more sustainable than an empire, so to speak.
3. If true, then this is a pretty big deal, more so than we may know. There's a lot of fighting going on in the world's unions right now to stay alive, in the midst of large corporations repeatedly trying to kill them and make them seem evil. Video game companies are all non-union, which of course puts them at odds with any telecommunications or artist's guilds or unions, especially in the US and Europe. This allows video game companies to get away with offenses that would not be tolerated in many places. (If every private company imposed more than 8 hour workdays, unpaid and compulsory overtime, and little or no parental leave, as video game companies commonly do, riots would hit the streets nationwide in the USA)
4. Again, like in #2, this just begs the question as to why games like Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker have SO MUCH recorded speech for a niche game with a highly limited print run on a portable console, yet the companies in question, like ATLUS, apparently manage a profit at the end of the day time and again anyways. Again, if true, it just makes Nintendo look incapable of efficiently managing professional studio deals.
If all of Pranger's statements are true, then I can understand why Nintendo fired him... because he made them look like fools.
And yes, I completely agree with the article's synopsis that basic operations of business should not be a taboo subject. It is only so because executives of the various business sectors created those rules, shared them with the executives in other companies, then systemically taught, coerced, or forced everyone under them that the underlings must either follow the whims of the top brass or get the boot.
If it were about giving away top secret information, maybe I could understand, but if you're shooting the wind or describing basic company procedures, then it's a concept which borders on tyranny. This corporate brand of conduct has only become a fact of life because someone imposed such rules upon society, not because those rules are unimpeachable Laws of Nature or the Word of God or whatever.
We actually don't even know if what he said in the podcast was even accurate or true. That could be another reason why he was let go. Perhaps his estimates or anecdotes are just those although he passed them along as Nintendo truth. As I said before in a comment - I feel bad for the guy. This is a terrible situation all the way around.
@Spoony_Tech
I just typed "James Newton" in the search box. He left like a year after I first joined but I still remember some old school names. Philip J Reed, Corbie Dillard, etc.
Hold on now.... Pranger broke his NDA. He did something he wasn't supposed to, and, heartbreaking as it is, he should be held accountable for it.
This is his fault, not Nintendo's.
@sinalefa Thanks sin. Maybe I can go find the guy on Twitter and say hi. I figured he be quiet around here for awhile fearing for his job but I always thought he'd drop by occasionally and comment. Of course if it were in German I wouldn't be able to read it.
@PlywoodStick Well, they have a team balancing the Smash games now. Smash 4 is the most balanced of the official games as a result (though Luigi needs to be nerfed heavily while Samus needs to be fixed and then buffed a fair amount). Sakurai definitely does have a bit of bias, but I don't think he'd let it go that far.
@plywoodstick
The reason Atlus and other companies can bring over niche games and make money is because any profit is good profit for smaller companies. A company as big as Nintendo needs larger profits to make it worth spending time and energy on little profits when they can spend time and energy to make big profits. It would be good to see Nintendo license the rights to someone who can turn those games for western audiences.
@SetupDisk I don't disagree. Corporate America and our government has done just about everything they can do to turn back the clock to the 1920's.
@PlywoodStick Perhaps not everywhere, but I also am in the non-profit sector and that is specifically listed as a reason for possible discipline, including termination. I am not free to speak about my employer's business with impunity.
I understand why all of this happened, but I hate it just the same. A shame for everyone.
Then again, I'm an academic, and in academia, speaking ill of your employer is a prerequisite for tenure at a lot of places.
@IceClimbers I think Pranger was just exaggerating a tall tale for dramatic effect, but it does make me question if Nintendo can ever reach the balancing achievements made by... volunteer modding and community efforts, of all things.
@PlywoodStick There's a balance goal difference: said volunteer modders and community efforts are 1v1 focused, while the Smash Bros. games are generally balanced around 4 player FFA.
Though that Sakurai comment.... heh. Wonder if spite was the reason that Marth was nerfed so much and treated as a punching bag a noticeable amount in pre-release footage.
But anyway, less of this clickbait, please. He broke his NDA and got fired. Nothing much to report.
How is anyone mad at Nintendo for this? You can not speak on behalf of your company without their permission. It doesn't really matter WHAT you say if it isn't your job to say it and you do so in public and especially to any form of media, you get canned. Most companies work like this.
While it totally sucks that a lapse in judgement cost him his job...it is his fault.
Apparently giving away company information while insinuating that your consumers are ignorant will get you fired. Who knew?
On a more serious note, NoA is a pretty secretive branch of an already secretive company and I can't imagine this will help things.
terrible article. you sound like an apologist for jerk behavior. He openly mocked fans with a stupid nasaly voiced impression. He gave away trade secrets/inside goings on. You don't do that. He sounds emotionally unstable as well going by his ill written FB page. Most if not all companies would do the same as nintendo. C'mon man!
Good article. Also:
http://gonintendo.com/stories/240555-cliffy-b-says-he-d-never-work-for-nintendo-due-to-their-firing-o
See; this guy actually gets it.
Now; let's see how many people suddenly agree that it's total bullsh*t what Nintendo did to Chris—now that someone they maybe respect a little has called it EXACTLY like it is.
Nintendo did the right thing. Publishing personal feelings about Co-workers is just not professional. That with the fact that he has an English degree and not at least a marketing degree is enough for future employers not to hire him for a marketing position. It is a bit embarrassing that Nintendo was ever paying him. They are just putting people that lack credibility out there to interact with consumers, so I am not surprised that this happens. It seems to be a huge problem in the industry as a whole. Marketing departments in gaming generally seem to not understand how to communicate with their consumers without a screen.
@Pandaman #54 Me too. Me too.
More than just question Nintendo's own level of comfort however; I am questioning the general perverseness of the current mindset that it's absolutely ok and "normal" to just fire someone from their job for simply expressing an opinion that isn't basically 100% in line with the same old PR/marketing rhetoric most employees have been trained to spoon feed us—this mass acceptance of it being "just the way it is".
I genuinely believe we have a big problem in our society when firing someone for saying basically NOTHING of any kind of importance—not leaking any confidential information or trade secrets, or damaging the company in any way—is considered just perfectly acceptable and indeed even fair and reasonable.
@Kirk Why would i respect someone who seem to have forgotten what an NDA is? And i am pretty sure people at Epic got fired about breaching their contract as well.
@JohnBlackstar Again, I'm lost as to why Nintendo doesn't seem to be capable of deftly handling such issues at this point. Considering how poorly they handled the Wii U compared to the excellent handling of the Wii, any profit would be good for them too right now, because they sure aren't making much in the way of big profits any more. (Sans amiibos)
@Sinister YOU don't have to, and I'm sure plenty of other people won't either—but I'm also sure there will be plenty of people who do; and the point is that it's now not just coming from some nobody's on a games forum but from an actual well known and in general highly respected game developer.
The point is: There's now a growing list of people who aren't just brain farting, people who are actually stopping to think about what's really just happened here in the bigger scheme of things, and it's those people, much like myself, who I believe are the ones speaking with the real wisdom around here.
Firing someone for simply having an opinion about some pretty general company practices and then expressing that opinion in a podcast, is, as far as I'm concerned, a violation of the kinds of freedom of expression and liberty that so many people pretend they hold so dear. It's something we should be worrying about and fighting against; not supporting en masse. But, as I've said before: most of you won't really understand why until it happens to you—and THEN you'll get why it's so dangerous; just how much freedom these corporations have to do exactly what they want, while taking such rights away from human beings that keep them running in the first place.
@CrazedCavalier You have a good point! However, they have at least successfully achieved a focus, whereas Nintendo has, as of yet, failed to produce any for Smash balancing. Granted, FFA is much more difficult to balance, and I don't know if Sakurai is of the mind set to do so.
These kinds of things are commonplace in the business world. If I spoke out about my job I would almost certainly be fired too. It's a shame it happened but he has no one to blame but himself. Hopefully he gets another job soon though I doubt it will be as good as working for Nintendo.
@Kirk If you work at a company you do not talk about that compny unless you are allowed to talk about it. A low level figure like him will never be allowed to talk that freely on a podcast.
He knew this and still did it. Thats why he got fired. It does not even matter what he talked about. He could have said that the catina food at Nintendo is aweome. If you are not allowed to talk about something you do not talk about it.
And since i will nevet breach my contract (unless there are some horrible things going on in my company and i need to inform the authorities) i will never be in the position he is in now.
@Aromaiden Well; I think that's just creating an excuse to defend and excuse any opinion; but I personally think we, or at least I, have seen and heard enough to judge the true crime that has taken place here.
Sure; the guy could have been stealing top secret company documents and selling them off to the competition or whatever behind the scenes, and other stuff that we're not aware of, but I doubt it.
I think we've got most of the picture (certainly I believe I have, after watching the entire interview, reading his entire Facebook post, and a couple of other bits and bobs); and I'm making a judgement call, based on my view of how I believe all human beings should be fairly treated in the workplace.
@Kirk He broke his NDA, Nintendo is in a Catch 22, they fire him and people backlash against Nintendo, or they don't and then anther employee says even worse things but Nintendo can't fire said guy because they could get heavily sued for discrimination as Pranger didn't get fired when he broke his NDA so why should he/she. This whole thing is really stupid, I feel like Nintendo Life just lost my daily visit for this 'journalism'.
@plywoodstick
My guess is that their localization team is currently working on other projects. I don't think any of them are showing up to work everyday and twiddling their thumbs. So to be able to localize more games they would need to hire more people, onboard them, provide health care and benefits to them, along with any other orientation and set up that is needed. They then need to get them assets (computers, software, etc..). Nintendo would need to get them in touch with other people in the company to provide them what they need to be successful (contacts in Japan, people who have already used the software, a manager to supervise them). After all of this they can finally start to localize Captain Rainbow that will net them a grand profit of $5 a copy if all goes smooth and people actually want to buy the game. Now if they localize enough games under the Nintendo umbrella parents will start buying these games for their kiddos and then say, "This game isn't for kids", or "Another lame game - where are all the AAA titles?" etc. etc. etc.. It is a losing battle for Nintendo is my guess.
@Monado_III Well, show me where exactly he broke his NDA...
Show me, in that interview, what he said that in your opinion should warrant being fired...
There's an actual reason NDAs exist, why they were created in the first place, right—so show me where anything he said could reasonably be interpreted as a violation of such a protective and preventative legal measure that it would warrant immediate dismissal...
Otherwise, what part of his firing are people defending here?
That he said something totally tame and inconsequential but that the heads of Nintendo, or whoever it was that fired him, didn't think was in line with the bullcrap PR/marketing message 101.
That's what people think is a perfectly good reason for taking away someone's livelihood?
@Kirk For all we know him talking about his job (other than, "I translate games") outside of events like E3 was a violation of his NDA. He made some accusations at Sakurai, essentially said Nintendo was cheap when it comes to voice actors, and he called some fans and told people that "fans lack appreciation for character localization insofar that their favourite characters are, in some cases, lightly written or not written at all, and thus logical character development is seen as an affront to the fans". Yeah cause that's not insulting at all, you're telling me that I think good, logical character development is "offending" to me.
@Kirk Let's see, to use an example from this article he equated Miyamoto's direction as a game director to "sausage being made". Publicly badmouthing a senior member of your company... not a good idea at all.
And that Smash Bros. story; let's not forget that.
Microsoft and Sony would've done the same thing if a similiar situation happened; I fail to see the problem.
@CrazedCavalier Are you being serious right now? Genuinely?
You think "equating Miyamoto's direction as a game director to that of a sausage being made" is ground for dismissal?
I think you've basically just validated my genuine worry about where we are heading as a society; especially in the corporate realm.
But; I'm hoping you were just being sarcastic, and it's simply been lost in translation.
@Kirk That doesn't sound like a fair judgment to me at all. At this moment all that we know about the situation is from the perspective of Mr.Pranger, who has yet to even tell us exactly what happened or the circumstance that led up to him being fired. Also as far as I'm aware, we don't know any of Nintendo's reasons or their perspective on the situation.
To me it sounds like a very biased and unfair judgment.
@Monado_III None of which I believe should be anywhere near a fireable offence.
Give him a rap on the knuckles and tell him to avoid that kind of discussion in the future if it's not quite in line with the PR/Marketing rhetoric—if that's really all you expect your employees (see mindless oppressed drone slaves) to have the freedom the express—but don't fire the guy for that.
I mean come on.
Nintendo should employ a closet full of Bill Trinens.
No toys would ever get thrown from the pram.
@Aromaiden To me; that's just you creating a situation which allows you to basically say "Nope, no one is allowed to say anything until we know ALL the facts"—which will NEVER happen—and imo, that's basically the same as saying "No; you don't have the right to complain about something that is pretty much blatantly unfair".
This is how companies like Nintendo get away with a lot of the crap they get away with; by abusing loopholes just like that. It's how EA could abuse its staff for so long—until they finally spoke out and brought a class-action lawsuit against the company. Then we all found out the truth, that they didn't want you to know about. Same goes for most companies; keeping the truth from us under the same kind of misguided notion that you have, where you think no one should have the right to call something unfair until every single fact in presented before them, even when we know enough of the story to know that we really don't need any more facts to deduce pretty much exactly what went on.
I know this kind of thing firsthand because I actually got fired from Rockstar, for similar reasons to Chris, but because of a legal NDA (basically a gagging order), which was part of the settlement (which I won by the way; meaning I was in the right and they violated the law and indeed my rights), I can never tell you the full details.
But hey; until we know the full facts, let's just go with: Nintendo probably hasn't done anything wrong here at all—because hey; we don't know ALL the facts, right.
Which is exactly what Nintendo would love for everyone to turn around and say.
@JohnBlackstar I don't know if this is still the case, but some research done by GamePro back in 2007/2008 relates that the typical $60 title is comprised of $32 for Production, $12 for Retail Markup, $7 for Marketing, $7 for the Console's Usage Fee, $1 for Overhead, and $1 for Publisher Profit. Since 1st parties don't need to charge themselves for a console usage fee, that would put the profit for first party titles at $8 minimum for any new $60 game, assuming they didn't skimp on the marketing and put it on retail. Considering Nintendo's general lack of advertising this generation, and any digital store involvement, the profit would now be set closer to between $11 to $24 profit per $60 game.
This was just a general scale for the top hardware HD consoles, Nintendo might not even have such high production costs on their decidedly lower tech level hardware for last gen and this gen, which would further increase profits for every game sold. This could be scaled down for $40 titles as well, with probably similar results: Nintendo bankrolls more than 1/2 of the price in pure profit for digital sales, and close to 1/3 the price for retail sales. They have the money to provide all of the things you mentioned. The question is, will they actually follow through on sharing the profits?
@FLUX_CAPACITOR It's not about being in the minority. It's about being on the right side of good. Just simple, honest, decency and good. Not playing to the same socially conditioned crap that has turned us all into mindless robots who no longer empathise with the human condition any more. The machine has us all thinking and acting like machines. I however don't want to be a social robot. I want to be a human being.
@Aromaiden You, we, will NEVER know more. That's exactly how Nintendo wants it. It wants people like you, saying what you are saying; so the whole situation blows over and everyone forgets about it—and by saying nothing Nintendo can always leave the sentiment floating around that maybe it didn't do the wrong thing at all. Maybe it was totally just and fair; firing this guy for basically nothing.
Well; no. I don't think I'll play Nintendo's game, no pun intended. I think I'll call a spade a spade.
Nintendo has unfairly dismissed this guy as far as I can see, and unless Nintendo has the guts to prove otherwise by showing us their side of the story—which is never going to happen imo because I don't believe it's in Nintendo's best interests to do so, i.e. I think all it would show is that they did in fact unfairly dismiss him—then I'm sticking with that.
@Kirk Fine, I don't necessarily agree with you, but I respect your view on it.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR No; it's based on the VERY REAL FACTS of what corporations are at a fundamental and intrinsic level (or more precisely what they have become and will become more and more so as time goes on):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ou9rOssPg
NO ONE, should trust corporations. They are not a necessary evil in our society, as they currently exit—they are basically just an evil in our society.
What you have seen with this incident at Nintendo, is, imo, simply a reflection of where we are heading as a society; as a result of more and more of the very things thate guide our core beliefs and principles being under the control of and at the mercy of the corporations.
We should ALL fear the corporations.
Don't let the fact that Nintendo makes games fool into thinking it can do no evil—because imo it just did.
@Kirk I just read some of your replies, and I appreciate your candor and your viewpoint.
What makes this situation fascinating is that to me, it's such a gray area. Many are saying that "well, of course he did wrong, so he should be fired!" I wager a great many of these people have neither heard the podcast, nor understand what it is exactly that they're defending.
On the other hand, even if ignoring the emotional components of this story, I absolutely understand why Nintendo would fire him - even if hypothetically it wasn't against his terms of employment to speak out (which knowing Nintendo, seems highly unlikely).
My point with this story that many people have seemingly glossed over (or I didn't do a good enough job stressing) is that just because you can get fired for talking about interpersonal work topics, doesn't mean you should (or maybe even shouldn't, to be fair!), and MOST IMPORTANTLY, there are plenty of examples of game developers who speak with very similar candidness (that is to say, intimate, but not necessarily inappropriate) all throughout the industry. In my estimation, regardless of this whole Pranger situation, Nintendo ought to consider the benefits of a slightly more open workforce - even moreso than they already have been with simply allowing twitter feeds or whatnot.
@Pandaman "just because you can get fired for talking about interpersonal work topics, doesn't mean you should"
That, is exactly the point I agree with.
In this case, I 100% do not believe he should have been fired for what he said; and my genuine concern is the underlying principles and beliefs—not just at Nintendo but that we have come to accept as "just the way it is" in our society in general—that lead us to this point where he did indeed get fired for what he said.
If the system wasn't so broken and twisted, I do not for one single second believe he would have come even remotely come close to being fired for what he said. The fact he was fired, in this particular case, is the thing that worries me deeply.
I know we could just keep this about how Nintendo operates as a company, but to me, as is often the case, I think this situation highlights something far more important than just what it's like inside the walls of Nintendo, and I feel, for me at least, the more important point is to highlight that important aspect of this whole mess.
The underlying cause that led to this symptom, at a society level, is basically what I'm trying to draw attention to here—because as much as this is just a video game website, it's also a place full of living, thinking and feeling human beings, who base much of their core beliefs and values in the real day to day world on the stuff they read online every day at sites just like this.
Sometimes I just like to remind people that all the fluff is fun and all but real life is going in at the same time—real life and real consequences that involve actual human beings—and one of those human beings just lost his livelihood, his very means of feeding his family, over saying basically nothing.
But yeah—Nintendo needs to open its doors a bit more too.
This is why you should read your NDAs carefully, folks.
@Pandaman "My point with this story that many people have seemingly glossed over (or I didn't do a good enough job stressing) is that just because you can get fired for talking about interpersonal work topics, doesn't mean you should (or maybe even shouldn't, to be fair!),"
because Catch 22, they fire him and people backlash against Nintendo, or they don't and then anther employee says even worse (even untrue) things but Nintendo can't fire said guy because they could get heavily sued for discrimination as Pranger didn't get fired when he spoke out so why should he/she.
And I'm not disagreeing with the secnd part of that paragraph but could you give some examples of people doing that that aren't high-ups in the company (ie Gabe Newell, Phil Spencer) or indie devs.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR #180 Please don't be so rude to them. It doesn't help anything.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR Not all businesses do evil things all the time. I take it as a given that you understand I'm not claiming this. The very concept of corporations, as they specifically exist and function today on the whole, is however totally and utterly broken and corrupt in general, at a fundamental level. The fact you keep acting like I'm going on about some extreme "conspiracy" or whatever, tells me you simply have not bothered to even watch the video I have provided; which is why you simply can't see the truth, the fact, in what I am saying.
You think I'm exaggerating—because you haven't the facts to know otherwise.
Well; I'm TRYING to provide you with them.
Don't use some excuse like "It's two hours long!" as a reason for being ignorant (ignorant, in the actual meaning and use of the word and not as an insult to you) of the real world around you.
Do yourself a favour—I'm actually trying to do GOOD by you here—and watch the video.
Did you guys not get enough $$$$ from the last article about this? What has already been said that hasn't?
He spoke out of line. He revealed things that were obviously damaging to Nintendo (I seriously do not understand how people can read things like accusations that one of Nintendo's most infamous developers has a childish vendetta against competitive play and makes balances according to personal whim as "not that bad".) as both a brand and a company.
He insulted customers and demeaned them for wanting games like Captain Rainbow localized while accidentally revealing that Nintendo is having trouble localizing their own games (which is their fault?)
He more than likely said things that broke his NDA and as a result, got fired.
Unemployment sucks, but firing someone for talking garbage about your company isn't some sort of corporate evil.
I would have fired him sooner to be honest. Really, you can't challenge the integrity or expertise of your colleagues to the public world without them in the same room with the same possibility to reply and intentions to communicate a message.
I feel sorry for someone losing a job he likes, really, but if you share stuff like this in that way you are not a match for a business maintaining an international foothold. Perhaps smaller startups are a better match from a career perspective, but definitely not an internationally operating company that carefully balances difference in culture and demographics.
@Bagels Did you even actually listen to the interview?
I seriously question that you actually did; or else surely you would realise that nothing he said was said in any way that could SERIOUSLY be considered damaging to the company.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR Well tell me then: Exactly how am I wrong about my claims regarding 'the corporation' as it exist today?
If you are well informed of exactly what a corporation is, how it works, what effects many of the large corporations have on both the planet and the people that live on it, in ways that most people simply have no clues about whatsoever...
Tell me, show me, where my assertion about corporations in general, as they exist today, as an entity, are unfair.
Do you know, for example, that corporations now basically have the same rights as people, and are in fact considered, under the law, basically the same as you are, and afforded many of the same rights and protection—in some cases more even?
A corporation, has more rights than you, and you probably don't even understand the danger in that.
@Kirk I would personally agree with Henry David Thoreau's take: "It is truly enough said that a corporation has no conscience; but a corporation of conscientious men is a corporation with a conscience."
In other words, if a corporation has any disposition at all, good or bad, it is due to those leading it. The concept itself is not inherently good or evil. It is the Lawmakers who have deigned to propel themselves up to becoming The Law itself. Why else would they be exempt from their own rules, simply because they are authority figures? I would say, is that not supposed to be the purpose of checks and balances? That they are not supposed to be higher beings, but simply arbiters?
I say, as long as our laws and societal business practice standards are hierarchical (vertical), instead of collaborative (horizontal), the situation will not change.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR Well there you go...
You see; I DID bother to go learn about some of this stuff we are arguing about.
It's a strange argument however; considering only one of us apparantly really knows what they are talking about, with any real degree of informed understanding.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR smashing your head on a brick wall would be more productive than trying to change kirk's views.
@Monado_III Well; there are rare instances of my views being changed—but they really are rare
I've tried to bury them though—much like Nintendo will probably bury all the details of exactly what went on behind the scenes with the firing of this guy (because it knows if you ever learn them, you will probably judge it even more harshly).
Ask someone at Rockstar why they fired me, and you'll get the same kind of silence–but I know the truth, and the legal history books know who won that little legal tussle
@FLUX_CAPACITOR Yet; my assertion remains that you are.
lol there's so many arguments on Nintendolife I remember the argument between the developers of Cube Life: Island Survival and Ucraft XD
@FLUX_CAPACITOR I respect any opinion when I believe it to be informed and reasonable. I will however argue against ANY opinion I disagree with, and generally, if were are saying two totally different things, then I tend to believe one of us is basically wrong (regardless of it being classed as "opinion")—and you can probably guess who I almost always consider that to be.
Hey; I respect about 80% of what you say, and the other 20% I mostly think is junk.
Sadly, I think the 20% is more significant in terms of what it says about where you are coming from relating to this particular topic and debate.
I mean people say it's "fair" that this guy got fired—that if you basically say anything the company disagrees with then it's totally right that you should be fired—but how can they make that claim when they don't even understand how the system works at a fundamental level?
It's only "fair" because that is what they have been told to believe is the case for as long as they can remember; and they've simply never actually bothered to really question or challenge that belief.
@123akis wait, that happened? lol where is that!
@FLUX_CAPACITOR LOL
I wish I were rich and/or famous—then I could just be called something like "eccentric".
I'm poor and unknown though; so "crazy", "insane" and "egomaniac"—or whatever else you'll come out with next—will have to suffice.
@Kirk
I have a feeling the only thing that would be considered damaging to the company would be Pranger yelling "SCREW NINTENDO!" and burning down his office to you.
"nothing he said was said in any way that could SERIOUSLY be considered damaging to the company."
Revealing that Nintendo is having trouble localizing games, compared to ATLUS and XSeed which are able to localize games for a profit is obviously a negative statement that damages Nintendo's brand. The fact that he had to make fun of people who want niche games localized and essentially have this attitude that nothing players want is going to get localized is also damaging to Nintendo's brand.
For whatever reason this seems to be a personal topic for you where you feel the need to lash out at others about it (and have an air of superiority). So I'll just leave it at that and ignore you now.
People bashing on Nintendo don't know nothing about how companies work especially if it's a big company like Nintendo. Once you get hired you are asked to sign a disclosurer that states that you are not authorized to speak about a company good or bad under any circumstances. But I do feel bad that he lost his job. To the point. It was a bad judgment call and he paid for his action. I do wish him the best.
@Bagels Nope: Disclosing trade secrets; revealing genuinely confidential information; selling secrets to the competition; defaming the people who work at the company (properly defaming them; and not just saying they changed a bit of the game because they got beat at it or whatever); stealing from the company; physically or verbally abused an employee; sexually harassing someone in the workplace; making seriously damaging false and spurious claims...
There's plenty of LEGITIMATE and perfectly fair and reasonable reasons for firing someone.
I'm just saying this wasn't one or them.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR @Kirk You both have about 50 comments already between both this and the previous article. I'd say you both have a vigorous personal investment on the topic. Take solace in the fact that at least you two are alike in that regard...
@PlywoodStick Very true.
I, however, am very self aware; and know fine well I am hardcore about and at times pretty dang aggressive with my opinions. Sometime, I can be a complete and utter douche. I've said as much many times before, in various threads.
Not sure some other people are quite so self aware though.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR To you and others, I encourage you all to disagree with both me and others often - but please keep things civil in the comments unless you want moderation to come down on you.
To answer your question, there are cases of non-big wigs using colorful language, but it is few and far between (compared to major talking heads, which are far more plentiful than most realize, and far more than I could quote) Furtheremore, do not underestimate the fact that a Nintendo Treehouse Employee IS a fairly high up position; this man is responsible for almost ALL the text in Animal Crossing: New Leaf, a major Nintendo release.
But there definitely are some instances that come to mind. Nintendo's own marketing of France at NOE once remarked that only "geeks and otaku" would desire a harddrive for their console, and he remained unscathed. How about Bungie's Luke Smith giving that infamous E3 interview just a few months ago? He is still with the team.
Conversely, remember Sony dropping and SUING commercial personality Kevin Butler because he appeared in a tire commercial holding a Wii Wheel? These things are absolutely at the discretion of the employer. My mindset is that Nintendo is in their own rights, but ought to move the goalposts a little bit further out, joining the ranks of other professionals in the industry. Pranger did nothing as malicious as even the examples I gave.
@Monado_III Ok, I'll try and find the article
@Kirk Well, you DID state your situation with RockStar... Which, if true, allows me to comprehend your viewpoint to some degree. (Never been in that situation, so I can't fully comprehend it.)
@Monado_III @PlywoodStick Here it is! https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/06/video_ucrafts_craftykart_powerpack_mod_gets_its_own_hard_rockin_trailer
It's in the comments. Be sure to read from the first comment for maximum enjoyment
A discussion about Nintendo's company culture is a discussion worth having. There's probably even some points there to be argued like when @ThomasBW84 talked about NCL's top management having no diversity. I think this was the wrong event to frame that discussion around for a number of reasons but mostly because Chris's case is not unique to Nintendo. What is unique is this case in light of the Nintendo Treehouse - this a rare moment for a Treehouse team member to stand out from his peers so much. And that's something that's not in line with the mission and operation of any company. It is harmful to organization and that is a serious matter for any group unified for a purpose or a cause.
@PlywoodStick Well yeah; I def empathise with the guy, having been through a similar situation myself (twice no less), but beyond all that—I fundamentally think we, as a society, need to be careful with what we start considering "just the way it is", in all walks of life.
This guy got fired, for all the wrong reasons imo, and many people's defence is that it was totally justified and fair because basically it's "just the way it is", and think that's a very dangerous way to view the world around us.
Worrying stuff.
But beyond all that; Nintendo really needs to open its doors a bit more.
You sign a NDA document
You break it by calling your costumers complete idiots and reveal too much information
You get fired because of it
Look I feel kinda sorry for this guy, but he brought it on himself and there shouldn't be 2 articles of this guy explaining himself even though he know there is no defending himself. No matter how cruel it may sound that just how big companies and life in general works, you're always going to have rules and laws you will have to follow if you want to be anything but a hobo living life as if he was in the stone age.
@123akis YES thank you!!!
@Chaoz He never called anyone "complete idiots".
Don't just make crap up.
I don't have my 'dream job' and I make sure to know what my contract says about not disclosing private information I hear in the course of my work, and what happens if I do.
@EllenJMiller So; you've not listened to the interview then?
Or, if you have, do you not recall when he specifically brings this subject up, and basically says that he believes what he is saying is fine and he wants to make sure he's not saying too much or revealing to much etc.?
So; as far as he was ware, none of this really should have been an issue.
As far as I'm concerned too; it really shouldn't have.
@Kirk complete idiots, idiotic, ignorant, what ever you want to call it, my point still stands.
@Chaoz No; it doesn't—because he didn't say any of those things.
He discussed how they might have an opinion on something, like adding English voice acting to game for example, and how their expectations might not align with the actual reality—but he didn't turn around and abuse them in the process. In the course of the chat he did do some impromptu impressions of how certain hardcore fans might sound if they were complaining about certain things, basically, but that was about it.
There was really nothing GENUINELY dismissal worthy in that interview.
I don't like Nintendo's policy towards customer interaction. Their infrastructure for customer help, at least here in AUS/NZ, is truly awful.
The people who rep them, like the people on Nintendo Minute, come across entirely uncomfortable. Nintendo want to make them look like part of a friendly, happy-go-lucky utopia, but it gives uncanny valley vibes or something equivalent when they put up that sort of masquerade.
@Kirk Yeah and he was talking like a know it all and was making us sound dumb at the same time, not to mention he also called Sakurai a jerk. If you don't think that insult then I wonder how you react when your friends try to insult you.
Where are the real news stories at? Bugger this TMZ rubbish
@123akis WOW. That was... AMAZING! I was giggling like a little school girl, and now popcorn is strewn everywhere! Thanks for the good humor! Have a nice day! (LOL)
@Chaoz Nope; he never called Sakurai a jerk—certainly not that I recall and I listened to the whole thing—and anything he said about the fans was clearly done in a very lighthearted manor, yet truthful to what they are like much of the time.
@Chaoz Big companies and "life in general" only works that way because the executives say so. If the ones at the top have all the power to decide the Laws of the Land, then those people essentially become The Law. That disturbs me. I hope that, in the future, such power will not be exclusively pooled at the top of a hierarchical structure.
@Ichiban
Hahaha! I am certain who in Nintendo Life approved this article. The guy knows where the clicks are at.
I get the feeling most of the talk about this topic comes from that heartstring puller of a facebook post. The man most likely breached confidentiality and did it in an unpleasant way, so of course there were repercussions in his job. Simple.
Company policy is what it is at any job you break it you get fired. To bad for him no warning just fired. Thats the way it is nowadays. The bigger the company the faster the boot!
@ottospooky absolutely right. It was not his place to talk like this.
@Kirk It doesn't matter. He broke his NDA. That's grounds for termination, plain and simple. Any respectable employer would've fired him on the spot. Not firing him by saying "oh, well it wasn't that bad, so here's a slap on the wrist, don't do this again" does nothing but lead to a slippery slope.
When he signed that NDA, he knew there were rules, and that there were consequences for breaking those rules, yet he went ahead and broke them anyway. It's his fault.
He will more than likely end up working with Sony now unless he has a contract which does not allow him to do so. I wouldn't be surprised if that contract existed. Isn't Microsoft in the same area? That would probably be more logical. Hopefully they will bring him in. He will land on his feet.
Nintendo SEEMS to be a jerk for firing him, if the podcast is the only reason why. However. I want to believe they were wanting to get rid of him, or had a lot of strikes stacked against him. When I was in the military, when we were asked to not talk about things going on with the job, deployment schedules and locations, stuff on the news involving us, stuff about our aircraft, you name it, you darn well didn't talk about it. Believe me. You did not wanna be that guy, and those who did talk about it mainly wanted the attention. They wanted to impress a girl or somebody online, and be "something special." It never turned out good. Nintendo may have a playful image, but they're a serious corporate beast with probably more red tape in the workplace than anybody could imagine. I want to believe only highest ranking employees can really share their personalities and speak out of turn. Now is it news? Should Nintendife be condemned to post this? It is news. Not great news, but I'm sure Nintendo junkies appreciated hearing about it. Should it have been written like Greek tear jerking tragedy? Its a shame, and I'm sure he is heartbroken, but at the end of the day he got fired for being unprofessional. His boss might've got word from higher up to shut him up. We'll never know. I'm sure if he really knew his stuff, he can find work again. Tons of game companies out there with less secret squirrel nonsense.
@Windy Sony would be hesitant to hire him when they know why he was fired from NoA.
The comments here are a riot.
@Ichiban IKR? I'd settle for another Mario Maker or Xenoblade story at this point.
@Mr_Zurkon @Ichiban Oh come on, we all know people on this site feed off of articles that blame/criticize Nintendo, or the whole "what Nintendo needs to do to succeed" debate that's just a rehash of the previous 20 article comments sections.
Nintendo is horrifically behind on where the rest of the industry is or how to even interact with their own fans. Just look at their stupidass Youtube policies
@Mando44646 No they aren't, in ANY other company, if you sign a NDA and then break it, you'll get fired on the spot. He pointed fingers at Sakurai, and insulted fans in multiple ways (I'm an idiot for wanting x game localized and your telling me that I don't like well developed characters?). Tell me how that wouldn't break a NDA
I'm so tired of people complaining about all the wrong things when it comes to Nintendo. The idiot was unprofessional and deserved what he got.
@LUIGITORNADO You have no compassion. What goes around comes around.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR. That's a whole other discussion. I'll just say that that it's not impossible, the society or workplace just has to be willing to switch from a hierarchical (vertical) to a collaborative (horizontal) style of governance and order. This has already started happening in places like Latin America. (Which the USA has been trying to prevent for decades.). I NEVER advocated anarchy, and I never said having leadership or some form of authority is a bad thing. I only said that our particular form of authoritarianism is bad. Having a form of order where the top boss doesn't get paid up to 100 - 800 times more than their lowest paid worker, as is so common in the USA, is not a pipe dream, it is called a Democracy. Any society which accepts the outrageous inequality which has become so common can only be democratic in name only, it's an abomination.
I agree with @Octane and FLUX. This article is badly written , meanders aimlessly and seemingly exists just because there were so many comments on yesterday's 'news'. I find it amusing that certain people are blaming Nintendo for firing Pranger when he himself admits it's his own fault he got fired. I also find it amusing that the writer of this talking point calls for more openness from Nintendo then threatens @FLUX_CAPACITOR with moderation. Chris Pranger was a low level employee who bad mouthed his employer's customers , spoke as though he was a representative of that company and also gossiped about one of that company's most prolific workers. MyNintendoSpews , TrollUDaily , BloNintendo and NintendoStrife etc are more to blame for Pranger losing his job than Nintendo. If they hadn't jumped all over his comments and spread them like a digital rash , he might have slipped under the radar.
I disagree with the premise of this article. I listened to the interview and, while I enjoyed the candid discussion, I am not at all shocked that Chris was fired. In fact, his comments since the firing indicate that he is not holding Nintendo at fault either. I work in IT but the company I work for is in a highly regulated industry. If I divulge any information publicly about the company or its product development, I am as good as gone. I signed that NDA on day one, and it is binding even if I leave the company. But that doesn't mean that the company's culture is broken. Nintendo doesn't owe anyone any information on insider baseball. With that said, I hope Chris Pranger finds employment quickly and is able to provide for his family.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR That's all I'm saying on it, no more. I don't want to be misrepresented by your aggressive demeanor again.
@GreatPlayer What does compassion have to do with taking responsibility for your actions? You do something and there are consequences. It just so happened that there were negative consequences in this particular instance. Acknowledging that he caused his own termination doesn't mean anyone is celebrating it or that anyone wishes him to needlessly suffer.
@NandN3ds good on you calling these trolls out.
So, @NintendoLife, do you guys plan on doing an article in the future about the Rainmaker mode for Splatoon and what people think about it?
I'm half way through the comments and I just HAD to make an account to reply to this issue.
I work in PR, so I know a little about media policies in corporations. Regardless of whether Pranger signed a NDA as so many of you have stated, corporations have a media policy that normally states the people who are authorised to speak to the media on behalf of the company and the topics they can speak about. It is in every employee's contract that they have to adhere to the media policy, or the company has grounds to let them go. Going by Pranger's position in the company and the department he works in, he definitely did not have authority to speak to the media.
And people who are calling this a small issue, THIS IS A PR CRISIS! Just look at the amount of negative comments Nintendo is receiving. I once had a colleague who made a joke to the media that was misrepresented, and we had to spend days trying to rectify the damage ie issuing corporate statements and press releases etc.
I also had a colleague who was sacked from the company after complaining on Facebook about another colleague. Nintendo is not overreacting in this case. Social media is a curse to humanity. Or people should learn when it's appropriate to make comments.
@BlatantlyHeroic Yup thats what a buisness is. You figured it out! Want a cookie?!
Pranger really screwed up and he know's it. We know it, Nintendo knows it, heck the whole gaming community knows it. I'm a Middle School Teacher and I have a massive union backing me. However, if I spoke so openly about ridiculous policies conducted by my principal, school, or school district, I would also be in hot water. The harsh truth is he didn't act like a professional and he overstepped his boundaries. Nintendo has every right to protect itself and its employees from this type of behaviour. I hope the guy learns from this situation because he has a family and they need him to bounce back and take care of them. On the other flip of the coin, dealing with gamers must be so tough. We are immature, emotional, hypocritical, angry, unsatisfied and down right nasty sometimes. Even though Pranger brought this upon himself, Nintendo is sure dealing with a firestorm over this. It will go down as more negative PR for a company who's been struggling of late.
FAILURE!!! SSB vc
@coolerz Wow, you really seem to know what your talking about. Makes a ton of sense too. There was 1/1,000,000 chance someone would make a REALLY good point and you sir/madam are that one.
@aaronsullivan
I actually thought the same thing!!
I feel for the guy but what is done is done... It is rare for a regular NOA staffer to do an interview...either way I just think some of the commenters are a little naive not really seeing what this guy has lost as far as financial security is concern...
Hey nice PR @Pandaman I hope it helps him.
@coolerz well said thank you.
@rjejr
James might talk to ya over a pint of Guinness at the pub😁
@ottospooky
Yeah, I agree with your first comment. He shouldn't have crossed the line, it simply was not in his power to do so. It's unfortunate to see someone lose their job, but if you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
@coolerz
Good to hear factual backup for what I was thinking in my head. Social media is indeed a very powerful thing, and little things like what Pranger was saying can certainly cause a forest fire on the web.
Nintendo had every right to fire him. Poor guy, but that's life. Live and learn.
@PlywoodStick " Having a form of order where the top boss doesn't get paid up to 100 - 800 times more than their lowest paid worker, as is so common in the USA, is not a pipe dream, it is called a Democracy." WHAT??? So the random person who gets hired as the front desk worker deserves anywhere near as much money as the person in DC (who has likely spent his/her entire career becoming a CEO/COO etc.) making multi-million, if not billion, dollar decisions?? That's like a waiter in a high-class restaurant getting as much as the head chef, it takes a lot more skill to be a top-notch chef than it does a waiter, it also took much longer for the chef to be where he is then the waiter. One more analogy, you work at a company as just an average worker and have been doing a pretty good job for over 30 years, staying with the company throughout the highs and lows, making personal sacrifices to help the company. But then, your company hires a college kid who, isn't close to as good as you, or anyone, is but he gets an identical job to yours, and makes just as much as you.
@IceClimbers
Lol, its really true. It gets tiring to listen to.
@Monado_III
http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/fast-food-workers-you-dont-deserve-15-an-hour-to-flip-burgers-and-thats-ok/
IDK where you're from, but over here In the US, this is actually a thing that people think they "deserve". Pretty sad actually. Great article though.
(Boy! This NL post has really digressed, huh?)
We don't know the whole story, but if he said more then he was allowed to (according to the agreement he signed), its understandable that Nintendo fired him. Company's don't want all their information to fall into the hands of the competitors.
These comments wow
It's hilarious that Cliffy B is trying leach on to this story to keep himself in the spotlight. That schmendrick was never working on anything for Nintendo for this century.
@ecco6t9
Schmendrick! now theres something I haven't heard in a while!
@Monado_III Just some fun bs to throw around. I worked for a public school district in OP Kansas. The superintendent had a salary that was superior to that of the Vice President of America Joe Biden.
@Kirk
I feel another way to look at this is that the firing of Chris is basically Nintendo pissing all over Iwata's legacy.
Iwata spent YEARS making the company more transparant and human with things like Iwata Asks and Nintendo Direct. Iwata turned the company from insular monolith into a company that was forward with engaging with its fans.
The move to fire Chris is a huge disrespect to the direction Iwata was taking the company in and whoever was involved should be ashamed.
This article is pure crap, the only person to blame is Chris.
Any person placing blame with Nintendo is a clueless idiot who doesn't know how the real world works.
I work in the banking industry and as part of my contract for working for my employer, I can't even mention who I work for on social media. I understand it and don't have a problem with it. If the media ask me a question all I can say is here is the number for the PR Dept. Again I understsnd this and don't have a problem with it.
I feel for the guy, especially carrying that responsibility of supporting a family. However....I like my job, I worked hard to get qualified and its paying for our mortgage, for my wife to stay at home with our Son and everything else we need. You know what I say about my employer on Social Media? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. It seems so obvious. I don't think he gave them much choice.
Nintendo has a history & it's not a good one, this guy was nuts to think he could get away with saying anything.
@IceClimbers You understand that there's a reason there's this little thing known as unfair dismissal, right?
You assume that what he did must have clear-cut violated his NDA, Nintendo simply must be in the right here, purely on the grounds that he has in fact been fired. That does not mean he necessarily did do anything worthy of termination. From what I can see; he most certainly didn't violate any rules that a typical NDA is designed to cover.
So, irrespective of the technicality that he did in fact get fired, and presumably breaking his NDA is the excuse Nintendo is using here too, that does not automatically mean it's not possible he was fired on the wrong grounds; ala unfair dismissal.
Regardless of there being NDAs (which can in fact technically have ANYTHING in them); the law does still exist to protect human beings from unfair treatment and indeed unfair dismissal in the workplace, and just because a line in an NDA states you can't talk about company secrets or bad mouth the company, that doesn't mean you can be fired for simply talking about the company in any way, shape or form. The company has to show that by talking about the company in whatever way you did, you have in fact caused it some kind of damages or leaked confidential materials and trade secrets etc.
Go listen to the interview...
Now; tell me exactly where anything he said or did is actually REASONABLE grounds for termination?
So, just maybe, he wasn't actually reasonably terminated at all. He may well have been, and maybe there's more to this than we will ever know, but he also may not have been.
Anyone who's held a corporate job knows that they cannot speak publically about the company without clearing what they're going to say with their communications/PR department. I would have totally expected to be fired from my last job if I did a public interview without notifying them. We were instructed to send all media requests to communications and they had to approve them. I'm sure nintendo's policy is similar and clear (otherwise, we'd see employees doing this stuff all the time). While it's sad to see someone lose their livelihood, they need to be consistent with their policy, so the next employee doesn't spill secrets or badmouthing the company, thinking they can get away with it. While it would be nice for Ninty to be more open, letting rogue employees say whatever they want isn't the best way to do that.
@Token_Girl A company cannot aribitrarily stop you from simply talking about the company. No law exists to allow them to do that. They can scare people like you into thinking that's what they can do however—and they might even fire you if you do so. Doesn't necessarily make it legal though. What they can do is make you sign an NDA or contract that states you will not talking about confidential material, leak trade secrets, badmouth the company, and that kind of stuff. If a human being simply wants to talk in general about a company they work for, then that is their God given right. So, what has to be determined here is, did he actually say anything that would have caused the company harm, or been a leak of confidential material or trade secrets; because otherwise there may indeed be grounds for unfair dismissal.
Your company doesn't automatically own all your rights and freedoms just because you sign a stupid bit of paper. I mean do you realise his contract probably also stated something along the lines that ANY ideas he has while working for the company, and indeed sometimes after working for the company, are owned by the company?
That's how general and broad these contracts can sometimes be; but it doesn't mean they are enforceable in any and all ridiculous and retarded situations just because you signed on the dotted line.
Companies can actually write WHATEVER THEY WANT in a contract. That does not automatically equate to, enforceable by law, just because you signed it.
Example: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2010/04/15/gamestation-we-own-your-soul/1
@freaksloan Wrong. You don't know how the law actually works. You just presume you do.
Just because something is written in your contract and you signed it, that does not automatically mean it is enforceable under law. I mean the bank may indeed act on the clause at its discretion and fire you for mentioning it on social media, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily in the right in the eyes of the law and that you have no legal recourse. In the case of mentioning your bank on social media or whatever you are talking about, it probably is, but that doesn't mean anything it makes you agree to in your contract is automatically legally binding, without any question whatsoever.
Your bank could in fact write in your contract that it owns your immortal soul as soon as you sign on the dotted line, if it really wanted to; but that doesn't mean that by signing on the dotted line you have no legal recourse should it ever decide to enforce that clause.
Something like this for example: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2010/04/15/gamestation-we-own-your-soul/1
Maybe he did violate his contract; but not based on anything I heard in that interview. Not by any reasonable standards anyway.
PS. AGAIN; he did not spill any secrets or bad mouth the company. If you ACTUALLY listened to the interview then you would, or at least you should, know this. If you have listened to the full interview and you think he did leak secrets or bad mouth the company, the I'd suggest you're suffering from the same problem I've mentioned before: That you don't seem to understand the distinction between what SHOULD be a reasonable level of freedom afforded to any employee, in a decent and free society (even if if, CLEARLY, that is not the case anymore in our modern enslaved society), and what basically amounts to oppression and a violation of a human being's basic liberty, imo. Preventing an employee from disclosing important confidential information and leaking trade secrets, or damaging the company's reputation, is one thing. Preventing an employee from exercising their God given right to free speech when outside the wall of the company and hours of employment, is another thing—even if what they are talking about happens to be about the company.
There has to be a line, obviously (in both directions), and I'm just genuinely not convinced that Chris caused it.
@kirk Its not illegal for him to say what he wants about the company, that's true. He got fired. - he's not going to jail or getting sued. He's certainly able to talk with his friends privately, but companies are certainly within their right to fire someone for speaking publically about the company if it's against their policies.
@Kirk I don't understand why you keep harping on existence on the NDA. As I explained in my previous post, there's such a thing such as a corporate media policy. Companies have no use for employees who talk trash to the media / online that is against the company image / brand that the PR side has worked so hard to build up.
For a simple example, see here: http://www.biztree.com/doc/media-relations-policy-D1394
Every company, no matter big or small is encouraged to put in place a media policy. Nintendo would definitely have something like that.
I understand you have been through the same instance twice, that's why you empathise with him, but the company has a right to do it, that's why there are so many anecdotes of it.
@coolerz Because everyone else keeps bringing up the NDA—like basically is it the be all and end all, which it utter bullsh*t.
The "corporate media policy' is just another variation on a clause of a typical employment contract, and the point I'm getting at is that just because it says what it says, that does not automatically equate to 'cannot be challenged under the law'. Usually these policies aren't totally retarded; so most of the time, yes, if you break the rules you've violated your contract, and there's no real question or doubt about it. But I'm just saying don't take that as the absolute law, that cannot ever be challenged or bent in any way shape or form, less you be fired on the spot.
These contracts are created for a reason, usually by the company to protect and restrict as much as is humanly possible to do with the company and everything around it, but the law is also there to make sure these companies don't abuse the power afforded to them under such contracts. A company cannot basically enslave and oppress its employees just because it would ideally not like you to say anything at all but the corporate PR/marketing bull, and companies always have to be aware of the laws that protect employees when trying to enforce this kind of stuff. I mean if Nintendo fired him for simply telling his wife he got a job there, then that would be a clear-cut case for unfair dismissal—no questions asked—no matter what it actually says on the contract (unless he was like a government agent or something; in which case things get a bit more tricky). So, there ARE limitations on how far a company can restrict you—how much freedom they can make you sign away—as much as they would love to restrict any and all communication possible.
If a company has created a clause that violates your basic human rights and freedoms, such as freedom of speech, to a degree that it might be deemed oppressive or whatever if enforced under certain circumstances, then there may be a case for unfair dismissal if you are fired for violating such a clause.
It all comes down to the specific and the details, and, yup, usually the specifics and details and in the favour of the company (most of the time the employee did do something blatantly wrong—but not always, which is why something called 'unfair dismissal' even exists), but that is not an absolute unflinching rule, just because you signed on a dotted line at some point.
@Kirk I agree with you that I don't think it's the NDA that came into effect that caused him his job. There's no breach of corporate secrets. It's the media policy that they will have grounds to dismiss him on.
Edit: Elaborating, Nintendo's PR stance is fun games for everybody, where their game designers are gamers at heart. What does his comments show? The company thinks gamers are whiny kids, fun is not their priority and their game designers are childish dictators. Tell me that is not damaging to Nintendo.
@coolerz It's almost certainly more likely to be this. I agree. I still don't think it's a clear cut case that what he said in that interview violated any clause to such a degree that I wouldn't debate the possibility of unfair dismissal. The company doesn't want him to talk, about ANYTHING (it seems), but that doesn't mean it has the legal right to enforce that and fire him on the grounds of that, just because he signed the contract.
I mean; he even mentioned this very thing the interview; which to me suggests the clause granted him the right to discuss some basic things about the company in interviews or whatever.
The problem here is that Nintendo now seems to believe he violated this policy, and yet even in the interview he mentioned that he didn't think he was, and he made it clear he was aware of not saying too much and spilling any important details and information etc, specifically because of stuff like this. He even said they had recently relaxed the policy somewhat too. So, clearly, there is some confusion about what these employees understand the are and are not allowed to say under the terms of their contract. That to me; says there may be an argument that the contract gave the impression he was allowed to discuss things to the level he discussed them, and therefor the grounds for firing him may not have been properly established between both parties involved.
Like I said; he may be totally in the wrong—but not based on anything I've seen in that interview.
@Spoony_Tech That's because Satoru Iwata was the CEO of NoA at the time. But right now, it looks like Reggie will be back as the CEO of NoA.
@Kirk I think you haven't seen my edited post. I explained why I think there's grounds of dismissal due to the damage of company image. See my previous post. Good to have intelligent discussion.
@coolerz Well, see; if we are going to go along this route as to why you think he was dismissed, then this really is where the law them becomes about proving he has indeed damaged the company image in some relevant way.
If Nintendo has fired him on these grounds then I believe he could make a claim that he has not caused Nintendo any damage at all and therefore he has been unfairly dismissed.
In my view, Nintendo could not prove that he has damaged the company image.
Note: I am saying this a man who WON a trademark dispute against Warner Bros, one of the biggest and most powerful entertainment companies in the world; where they claimed I was passing-off their Inception trademark (which they didn't even have) and deceiving potential consumer, and that I'd damaged their business and was causing confusion etc. These companies can claim this stuff, and they may even use (and abuse) the law to their advantage in order to try and make things work in their favour, but that doesn't mean they can never do no wrong and that they aren't ever wrong.
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/games-firm-boss-in-legal-battle-with-bullying-warner-bros-over-business-name-1-2590283
Warner Bros could not prove any of the stuff they claimed, because it was all a bunch of bullsh*t, and I could prove everything I said—and hence, I won and Warner Bros lost.
@Kirk there is evidence though. The comments by all the fans on all the online discussions, even this article in itself. The case has been made worse by the Internet and all the keyboard warriors.
If I were working in PR for Nintendo, I will be recommending to just sack him and deal with the aftermath, because the amount work to repair the damage either way is the same, but it will appease the higher ups.
@coolerz I would argue that is circumstantial and inconsequential evidence that in no way shows damages.
A bunch of fanboys on the Internet posting some random comments, some negative and some positive, means absolutely nothing. We see that in pretty much ever single article about gaming ever.
I do not believe Nintendo could show any damages as a result of what Chris said in that interview whatsoever—and it certainly can't show he leaked any "confidential" information or trade secrets, or any such thing.
If that is the only reason why Nintendo fired Chris, for supposed "damages" to it's business, then I firmly believe he would have a case for unfair dismissal.
@Kirk that would be up to the lawyers to defend if he were to take the case to court, which he won't because he idolises the company and can't because he doesn't has a job and is crippled by loans. Too bad. The world is unfair like that, money makes the world go round.
@coolerz Well exactly, but that doesn't mean we just accept that Nintendo was in the right; because he didn't fight it.
I'm not convinced Nintendo was in the right; not based on the evidence I have seen at least.
Although, NOTE: I beat Warner Bros BY MYSELF, without a lawyer, and without any money spent. You just have to understand the system IS there to basically abuse you for profit, in one way or another, yet understand that as messed up as it often is, the LAW is also there to project you too. If you are in the right, and you work the law right, you can come out on top in situations where every other human being would assume it simply isn't possible to do so (although less and less these days; as corporations figure out more creative and devious ways to twist and change the law slowly but surely more and more in their favour).
@Artwark That's not true. Reggie never was, and probably never will be CEO of NOA. Before Iwata became Ceo, an other japanese man was CEO of NOA. When Iwata replaced him, he returned to Japan to work in NOJ.
@Kirk yes but it definitely is within Nintendo's legal rights to dismiss him, whether it's morally right or not is another issue.
@coolerz I would debate that as an absolute given; given what I have seen.
Nintendo may have a clause that says he can't do this and should do that; but that clause has to be reasonable too under the law and the rights and protection afforded to employees. I mean it may also have a clause that says if he thinks of a totally random and totally original game idea, in his head, while at Nintendo, and then writes it down on a bit of paper later at home, then Nintendo owns that idea—but do you think Nintendo could really enforce that in a court of law?
I kinda had a clause like that at Rockstar (the one about them owning any ideas I came up with while in the office), although not QUITE as ridiculous, but I didn't even take it seriously in the slightest (I used to sit at my desk and write down game ideas, design my company logo, type up design docs, and a whole bunch of other crap, when I was skiving from doing any actual work). I knew it was just some crap they added in there by default; just in case something should pop up around it where such a clause may come in handy for them.
Did Chris do anything that genuinely warrants dismissal? Did he really, actually, violate his contract?
I'm not so sure.
He probably did do just enough to violate his contract, such that Nintendo's defence would stand in a court of law anyway, maybe—as totally and utterly unreasonable and oppressive as I personally believe Nintendo's restrictions seem to be on such matters—but whatever the truth; I still think it was a major douche move on Nintendo's part and slightly archaic. It's also just genuinely worrying to me that this is where we have come as a society, and that most people actually seem to think this is perfectly reasonable and fair.
It's pretty hard these days to get fired in a corporate environment; people who act in a way deemed inappropriate are usually suspended for a period of time. Like some of you have mentioned, he wasn't giving out secrets, he was just keeping it real. I think it's shameful that they would kick a guy like this to the curb especially if he was visual and engaging to the primary consumers.
It's a crappy situation, it really is. And I can't help but feel bad for the guy. Would I have fired him if I was the one in charge making that decision? I wouldn't want to, but the other side of that coin is you have to make tough decisions sometimes and when employees speak about things they shouldn't be speaking about it's dangerous to make exceptions for them.
I just wish he had gotten approval ahead of time- he should've gone to his superiors and said hey guys, I'm doing a podcast and here's the topics we'll be covering. Is it ok if I talk about some of this stuff? That would have been ideal.
The higher ups get away with this stuff because they're higher ups. They decide what gets shared and what doesn't. But they don't want the average employee deciding that for them. Which I can understand.
It would be nice to see him get his job back but I don't think it's gonna happen.
@GreatPlayer thank you
@Monado_III It doesn't matter how hard or long one works, there's no way it is fair for anyone to make more than... Say... 50-80 times more than the lowest paid worker. It is not acceptable for a few individuals to be making tens or hundreds of millions of dollars or more every year, while around 45 million people in the USA are categorized by the US Census Office as "in poverty". (Which doesn't necessarily include everyone who is chronically low on money/income or dependent on a dominant industry in their area.). That's not just a few poor people, that's almost 1/6 of the entire US population!
The minimum wage is also unacceptably low, they have not been raised to meet inflation in the USA. $15/hour minimum wage is perfectly reasonable. If, for example, a CEO made 50-80 times that amount, they would still be getting paid about $750 to $1200/hour. That's good enough for even the highest business mogul, and don't let anyone try to tell you otherwise. No one deserves to make $2000/hour, $5000/hour, $10000/hour, or even more... per hour (just try to fathom that every day reality), no one person can possibly perform that much labor. It's just an arbitrary number at that point to keep the top on top.
That's all I'll say on it.
@TwilightAngel I know right. It went from a simple discussion of Nintendo's cultural differences and business and turned into a debate of politics, society, and human rights.
Japanese corporations take professional conduct incredibly seriously. Confidentiality and respect for their employer are of the upmost importance. I'm surprised that slipped his mind, as I'm sure most readers on here will know this. Bit of a daft bugger. And to then make a statement on Facebook, of all places. I don't think he's completely learned from his mistake.
@PlywoodStick Ben & Jerry's used to have that policy, they dropped back in '94 because they couldn't attract good people. Whole Foods has the same policy but keeps raising the multiplier for similar reasons. The mantra of "fair pay" & " living wage" makes for good sloganeering by politicians and activists but its ultimately meaningless and unworkable.
@Mr_Zurkon Under the current system, yes. It has to be fundamentally changed, multi million $ arbitrary bonuses to executives and multi million or billion $ corporate welfare bailouts doesn't mesh well with fair wages and allowing big businesses to be able to fail, just like anyone else in a free market. I don't know about you, but I don't think I've ever met anyone who would be unhappy with a $100/hour paycheck for a non-executive position. I don't know what those Ben & Jerry's terms and Whole Foods terms were, but neither of them is exactly well known for being on top of worker's rights issues... They're not really good examples on this issue.
@PlywoodStick Why stop at $100/hr? It's nobody's business what a non-governmental entity pays people. As far as bailouts I agree that there shouldn't be any, GM etc should have been allowed to fail without interference. government shouldn't be in venture capitalism business either, it's a waste of taxpayer money.
Ben & Jerry ( the actual two people) are on the same side as you and Whole Foods is a paragon of progressive corporate values. Those are perfect examples of the polices you desire.
Loose lips sink ships, especially if its part of your contract not to speak out. At least Pranger isn't making excuses and fully owns up to his mistake. Why people are always petitioning for leniency towards rule breakers is ridiculous.
@Mr_Zurkon $100/hour is too low to stop at, I would say closer to $1000/hour to $1500/hour would be the absolute stopping point. It might not be the government's business to decide a non-governmental entity's payment structure, but is certainly IS all of the local community's businesses around the nation when at least 1/6 of the entire US population is already in poverty conditions (and even more people on the brink of poverty), while multinational companies expand everywhere and choke out local businesses and environments.
My values fall more in line with the Fair World Project. (Which neither Ben & Jerry nor Whole Foods has truly warmed up to, since it empowers the worker a little too much for their tastes). Ben & Jerry's and Whole Foods have made some improvements but they're not truly progressive, they don't do enough in the fair trade and worker's rights spectrum to earn that moniker.
@PlywoodStick The US Govt has spent trillions fighting poverty since the 60's. It's been a colossal failure.
worst article NintendoLife posted in a long time...maybe ever. He broke the NDA, and it looks like it was not the first time:
http://geekswithwives.com/gww-podcast-135-chris-pranger-escapist/
Who cares? People loose jobs every day...
@Mr_Zurkon There's lots of reasons for that, entire sagas have been told and written on the subject. I'll just say that the systems in place have only ever been designed to temporarily or artificially allieve poverty, not truly reverse and cure it. That doesn't mean it's impossible to systemically address poverty, it just means that our system has never had any intention of doing that.
The Xenoblade Chronicles thing still seems so ridiculous to me though. His comments implied Nintendo was disappointed with sales of the game in North America, and yet the game was completely sold out here. It'd be like Nintendo complaining about low sales of Marth Amiibo.
Further, publishers like NIS and Atlas manage to localize Japanese games that are far more niche than Xenoblade Chronicles with just as much (if not more) voice acting and text translation, and they seem pleased with sales.
@Pandaman How is that policy outdated it's the same policy every other company uses
@Pandaman No people where not acting he leaked release dates they where using the release date thing as a comparison analogy
@BacktoNarnia because NIS and Atlus specialized in those types of games and any profit to them is good profit. Whereas Nintendo could A)Spend 6 months on one niche JRPG that likely only profit a few thousand or B)localize not niche game in 6 months or less that'll likely make a few million in profit.
Wait I thought Fox's voice acting in Smash sounded weird at first but what was even stranger was Kirby's voice.
@BacktoNarnia VGChartz is down at the moment, so I don't have any numbers, but I think you're overestimating the demand for Xenoblade. It's true that they didn't make a lot of copies, but I highly doubt they would've sold everything if they doubled the available copies. Also, wasn't there some GameStop scam going on in the US with Xenoblade?
Nevertheless, Xenoblade is an example of a niche game that eventually turned out to get decent support in the west. However if you take a look at other games, like Pandora's Tower and The Last Story, they weren't nearly as successful as Xenoblade. The problem is that most Japanese niche games end up as one of the latter examples. I can already tell that Fatal Frame isn't going to sell. I'm sure you can find fans for every game, but a lot of time it's not worth their money and time to localise these niche games.
Apparently, this wasn't the first time Chris Pranger appeared on a podcast without permission. https://mobile.twitter.com/RogersBase/status/632323540612583424
This article misses a crucial point. You mention that other companies make a point to be transparent about their neuroticism. You mention Jonathan Blow, Phil Fish, Gabe Newell, Tim Schafer, Peter Molyneux and Warren Spector. You know what all those people have in common? They're the top men in their companies and they all talk about their OWN neuroticism. It's their prerogative to speak about their own neurosis, Chris Pranger took it upon himself to speak about the neuroticism of his fellow employees. It's simply not up to him to divulge that personal information.
@sinalefa
Omg! Now I am thinking of the old days...and missing them. SOB! There is a difference be then and now.
It doesn't matter if he signed an NDA or not. If I speak at an IT related conference, I have to run my presentation by my employer even though the company is not an IT company. The reason is because they want to make sure that what I am saying represents the company well. I'm assuming that if Nintendo cleared Chris to be on a game related podcast and knew the topics in advance, he would have been fine. However, he apparently did not and violated company policy. Also, everyone needs to remember that employment at any company is an "at will" situation. You can quit your job at any time for any reason. LIkewise, the company can quit you as well if they feel like they don't need your services or you are not performing to expectations. Let's all wake up to that reality and move on. It serves you just as well as it serves the company.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/biggest-scam-bankrupting-business-middle-class/
I feel sorry for the guy being out of a job, and a great job at that, but as he himself admitted, it was his own fault. I don't blame Nintendo in the least for firing an employee who spoke publicly, sometimes in a negative way, about Nintendo without permission. He didn't have the authority to say what he said.
And you don't need a $300 Japanese 3DS to play Project X Zone. It was released in America.
A talking head speaks from his own script.
That's what it all comes down to.
He's not Miyamoto.
He's not even Sakurai.
He's a cog or a spring that helps the mechanism work.
But the gaming industry isn't composed of irreplaceable pieces.
Everyone is expendable.
Look at Nintendo's business structure, their profit margins and their financial forecasts. As a member of such a massive and publicly viewed company, you always keep tabs on what you say and what your individual proponents say. The fact is, Nintendo releases public statements about the issues he was discussing and what Pranger said not only flew in the face of 'non-issue' or 'no comment' that Nintendo has issued, it also contradicted specific details Nintendo themselves have given.
I used to paint at my old job. We made our own paint. Our paint was so good, we gave 25 year, no questions asked warranty on the efficacy of the paint. Now let's assume that at some point, someone mixed the paint incorrectly and this could cut the paint's lifespan to a third of that. The proper thing to do would be to a) destroy that batch of paint b) recall any items previously painted with that particular batch and c) to retrain the mixer as to the correct proportions.
Let's say the manager was particularly upset and employees felt that the mixer was under an undue amount of stress. In that exact case, those interpersonal details would not need to be publicly shared. Comparing that situation to Pranger's, he basically blamed the mixer's failings on not only the paint being hard to mix but also on the manager for stressing the worker out. And he didn't do it internally, as pretty much every single company ever requires be done. No. He did so publicly and emotionally, compromising both his company and his own personal merit as a member of the industry.
@Octane VGChartz is back up now. They estimate 420k in sales for the Wii version in North America and 250k in Europe. Yes, there was a Gamestop scam in North America. The game completely sold out and Gamestop managed to produce some new copies and put them on the shelf above retail price as "used." They did this because there was still significant demand for the title. Nintendo underestimated demand, and therefore I don't think they can reasonably complain about unit sales, at least not in NA (not sure how supply was in EU after launch). I wanted the Wii version for a couple years, but wasn't willing to pay almost double retail for a used copy online.
I think it's also worth noting that, in typical Nintendo fashion, this is all without the game ever going below MSRP. They'd rather sell fewer units at MSRP than sell substantially more while offering periodic price drops over time. Additionally, these unit sales were extremely late in the Wii's life cycle. Had Xenoblade been localized a couple years earlier when people still had their Wii systems hooked to their TVs, I bet it would have done even better.
The Last Story still sold 290k and Pandora's Tower 111k in NA, which aren't terrible numbers. I agree that they definitely need to make reasonable economic decisions when deciding what to localize, but ultimately if there's a high quality game that reviewed well in Japan, in most cases it can at least do well enough in NA and EU to merit localization efforts. Maybe Nintendo just has bloated localization budgets and needs to learn more from competitors.
@Monado_III Then outsource the localization efforts to a small third party development team. They don't need to use their first-party devs for localization.
Wow, I've lost a bunch of amazing jobs, but seriously.
That is really a failure mentality. I understand that one is sad, almost, kind of.
Whenever my jobs end, I just recharge and come back stronger to the next place.
What I think I am trying to say is, he's making it sound like he is the only person who ever lost a job...
@BacktoNarnia + apparently 1 million people in NA pirated Xenoblade before it came out, it was one of the most pirated games on the Wii before it finally released in NA, right up there with SMG2.
WHAT!?
I just read that SuicideGirl thing.
So what, only because a member on an adult site has listed a Nintendo game as one of her favorite games, they filed a lawsuit!?
WTF Nintendo?
Like, WTF for real, I dont even know where to begin...
They tell a fan to not promote their product, because they think the fan is bad for their image...whats next, are you going to select what fans can even play your games at all?
Out of all the ridiculous things Nintendo has ever done, that is the worst I've heard. I've always backed them no matter what, but this is like discrimination as well as bad morals in my opinion.
I didn't even know one could get sued or force to not write "ZELDA" on the internet.
Are they going to block our comments here to then? I guess they could technically then.
Please tell me I've misunderstood what was in that info, like it was a joke or something, because the way I feel about this now...I'm not sure if I am going to keep buying any Nintendo products in the future...
I'm seriously so disappointed right now.
here too*
forced*
@Monado_III Whew! I did not know that. That's nuts. Though if we're honest, I doubt many of those people would have spent money on it had it released sooner.
@MIDP Did you read that it was 10 years ago
The problem with him, is not that he made a mistake, is not that he express his opinion, or telling info we already know, the problem was he spoke as a representative of Nintendo wich he was not,Nintendo and any ohter company has specific people for talking to the media, he spoke about specifical process and not just general things, and also he did it behind their employer's back. and mostly more than one of this thing were the reason he was fired. Also if you sign a NDA it doesn't matter that the info if public, you CAN'T talk about it.
@Kirk Yet again CLUELESS, don't know how the real world works.
@ecco6t9 Yes there was a lot in fact...
@BacktoNarnia http://ca.ign.com/articles/2012/01/03/xenoblade-pirates-dont-be-stupid
This was all BEFORE the prices reached $100+ on ebay. If NoA wanted Xenoblade to have a chance they could've done a whole lot more like, not limit a small shipment to GS where they tore the packaging then sold them for $100 as 'used' games. I'm willing to bet many of the pirates were genuine, hardcore JRPG fans and not some loser who doesn't want to get a job (why would a person like that even want a fairly niche JRPG).
The weirdest part of all this is that Nintendo used firing as a joke in their pre - E3 hype. Now it's an unfortunate, not very funny reality.
I disagree with this article. The guy stupidly broke the rules and got sacked. Nothing else to say about it really.
@freaksloan If you say so; boss.
Can you see what I kinda did there...
@Pandaman regarding the "geeks & otaku" comment and Luke Smith - you'll notice that in both those cases it was tone deaf comments that upset (or had the potential to upset) fans. Pranger said some stuff off a similar nature and it apparently didn't go over well.
But then you can't say "good morning" to a fanbase without tipping up at least a dozen individuals, and as you demonstrate, it's survivable. But firstly, both those examples were from people no doubt cleared to speak to the press who just screwed up. You rarely get sacked for trying and failing to do your job as requested. It seems like Pranger went a bit rogue.
Secondly, he committed the more unforgivable sin - from a company's POV - of criticising the company, not the fans. Like I say, butthurt fans are ten a penny, but he made comments about his employer and his colleagues that didn't paint them in a good light. The revelation that NCL don't care about changing "New" to something more appropriate for a western market despite NoA's protestations is particularly damaging.
The ability to have a more open conversation with your customers isn't the same as candid insights into the eccentricities and ineptness of your co-workers. No company will, or should, stand for that.
@Operationgamer17
i know, i already posted this. But i believe we are long over the point where new infos are aknowledged.
It is really apperend he knew that he broke the NDA:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=175559289&postcount=1809
@Kirk "You understand that there's a reason there's this little thing known as unfair dismissal, right?"
How is it an unfair dismissal when even the guy who was dismissed has said, multiple times now, that he was in the wrong...? You have no real argument, but you continue to trash people left and right for not adhering to your ego-stoking 'ideals'. Just saying...
At least he can always use his experience to create his own Gaming channel.
I'd go with "Pranger's About", an get a Jeremy Beedle theme to it, where Pranger plays practical jokes involving video games testing and dodgey localisation translation, to act as a hook. He can have a reviews section which will be the 'meat' to the channel bookended by jokes about the cruel realities of the video game industry. He can play some Magic Circle to give him some further inspiration.
Have to give some credit to some nice reading material:
@Bat-Moves98 Great article in that link you posted, thanks.
@coolerz Some very insightful and interesting comments.
@rosemo Some good comments, with some very down to earth (and hard to debate) logic.
@SahashraLA Good and relevant story. Really paints the picture of what may have gone wrong with Chris Pranger. No pun intended.
@Legromancer Thanks for that link. It is one of the very few that actually has a working link to the podcast, most of the previously posted give a 404 error code.
From the transcript on NeoGaf it is VERY clear that he only has himself to blame, so I don't even know how so many people can go against that to defend "the poor guy".
As for my two cents on this story in general:
Obviously, as has been discussed here at length (to put it mildly) there are certain things that you don't have to accept as an employee and those things can be fought in court, if need be, but the primary guilty party is the person stupid enough to agree to some of these terms by signing the contract in the first place.
If you don't agree, but sign anyway, then you probably haven't read the small print or are just plain stupid.
I myself had to sign several such agreements/NDA's during the course of my career and most of them were completely logical: I'm a sales & marketing professional in IT and had to work with, set up campaigns and generate sales trajectories for Compaq/HP, Juniper, Microsoft, VMWare, Google, Norton/Symantec, Kaspersky and MacAfee to name some of the more familiar ones.
I was never allowed to talk to other companies, and I used to have some friends that also worked in the same business, so it isn't all that hard to imagine that the topic sometimes came up when we went for a beer or something, because it is something we all have in common.
I do still see some of them every now and then, but I keep shop talk to a minimum nowadays. It would be VERY damaging if any info on how we operate or what our customers want and what they payed for it would end up in the hands of the competition.
Also, I would never be stupid enough to go public with ANY information on internal affairs, no matter how innocent it may seem. Some of that could always come back to bite you in the @ss, even years later.
You can't just talk to the media, add a disclaimer that you're not talking on behalf of the company and then go on and talk about stuff that we aren't supposed to know about in the first place. let alone mock your target group, since it truly does reflect badly on Nintendo, so it would almost be the same as they themselves not taking their buyers too seriously, so he IS damaging the company.
Work sometimes goes along with some frustration and stress, but you vent that in meetings or in one on one talks with your manager and it doesn't have to be published all over the web.
Luckily, Chris Pranger saw the logic of that himself and has now acknowledged his mistakes numerous times. And that is also a huge clue to what happened: if it was wrong for Nintendo to fire him, then he could obviously say so, now that he has been fired and fight any contract that he was under.
I would do the exact same thing. If you screw me, then I will damn well screw you back. If however, they are within their rights to fire me, I will cut my losses and take it like a man.
For his family's sake I hope he finds another job soon. Times are hard enough as it is.
@andywitmyer You honestly think just because the guy said that, that he doesn't think getting fired for what he said was total bullsh*t?
He also said he didn't expect this, didn't see it coming, and even mentioned that he was making sure not to say anything that would violate his NDA.
Clearly; this wasn't even close to what he thinks could and should have happened, but now that it has happened I'm sure he's just trying to be mature about it and somewhat accept his fate; while maybe hoping to try and at least keep the door open with Nintendo for a possible return to the company one day.
Me; I would have kicked up a right sh*tstorm—but then, I've always been my worst enemy when it comes to dealing with stuff like this in a way that doesn't burn bridges.
@TheRealThanos Firing him has reflected FAR worse on Nintendo than ANYTHING he ever said imo.
Also; you shouldn't mistake the politics of work and the whole corporate arena so much for the absolute truth of the situation.
Companies will often fire a dude for the most ridiculous reasons and then put a press release saying crap like "So and so has moved on to pursue new things and we wish them well in the future" blah blah blah—when in reality they had a major disagreement behind the scenes and the dude probably thinks it was bullsh*t and they should all go burn in hell. Once in a blue moon however, you do actually get to hear the real truth behind the situation and person who has been fired actually speaks up and maybe even takes legal action that suddenly brings to light just how much bullsh*t and marketing PR spin often goes on in these companies (where they'd do almost anything to avoid the public ever seeing the dirty side of business), and then all hell breaks loose.
I know, because I've been in situations just like that; where, for example, I was fired from Rockstar for total bullsh*t reasons, and even won a legal battle and settlement saying as much, but I guarantee you that Rockstar wouldn't ever phrase it like that in any of its public statements, and if I were most other people I'd probably be doing the same thing as Chris and trying to be all "reasonable" and diplomatic about it, maybe even defending the companies actions, in the naive hope of one day getting my job back as long as I am really nice about it.
Just because he said it was his fault, that doesn't necessarily he thinks it's not total and utter bullsh*t—especially in the professional business realm like this, where most people are usually walking facades of who they really want to be, because they're scared to be who they really are and say what they really want to say just in case it gets them fired.
I think he knows there's a degree of utter bullsh*t to him getting fired, but he's just accepted the sad truth that in our totally broken and corrupt system this is in fact "just the way it is", and he figures there's probably not a lot he can do about it anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIePWBgKaXw
An interesting video on whether Mario is "evil or not", and although just a bit of "fun", it actually made me think about what's going on in this thread again; in relation to how people are reacting to the news of this human being getting fired from his job, and how they rationalise their acceptance of it as being totally fair and reasonable.
Hid broke the rules so he deserves to be fired—and surely, I must be right in thinking this, because that's the rules, and that's how it is in the business world, and he knew this, and actions have consequences, and he can probably get another job anyway, and he even said it was his fault so that proves it was fair...
Cognitive dissonance.
Something to think about in relation to how we, as a society, have come to accept basically the mistreatment and abuse of the people in our society in the name of business—you know, how it's like in business (in the workplace) the attitude seems to be that you either do exactly what we say, without question or choice (much like an oppressed slave), or you lose the very means to feed yourself, to live, and there's pretty much nothing you can do about it—and indeed even try to justify and rationalise it as "just the way it is" and "fair".
@Kirk I've already read all that and I am truly glad for you that you won that, and if I was your friend I would support you in the court case instead of saying what your friends said, but with all due respect: other than that I feel very strongly that your comments are WAY to influenced by what you yourself have experienced, which, to some extent is understandable. (also taking into account how I've come to know you a bit from earlier discussions we have had.)
Everything I said in my previous comments is factual and certainly the norm from a company's standpoint. I even addressed an earlier point that you already correctly made: "there are certain things that you don't have to accept as an employee and those things can be fought in court, if need be" pointing to ridiculous rules in contracts, but if you sign knowing those terms, then the first and biggest mistake is yours, whether things would hold up in court or not. A judge would at the very least question you on the reasons for signing if you knew and understood what the contract said.
I have also been fired a few times in the past when I was going through my, let's say, less responsible period in life and in several occasions I also got the "Dear John" letter stating they wish me well in the future and all that, but that is just a copy/paste template that almost every company uses.
They could hardly say "he was a f***ing pest and a detriment to the department so we are so very, VERY glad to be rid of him and hugely relieved that we don't have to pay this SOB's salary anymore" so it's a bit silly to mention that part. It's politics indeed, but a necessary evil if you run a company.
And that same necessary evil makes that you can't just say anything you want, whether or not you claim to only represent your own views and not the company's. That you think otherwise, since you stated "imo" is okay, but doesn't automatically equate to the truth.
And like @coolerz I can completely see where this could go pear shaped for the company, he has explained that very well. I also saw a lot of similarities from my own field of expertise, so in that aspect HR and sales & marketing shares some common ground.
And no, Chris is not playing the reasonable guy: he just realizes that he is in the wrong and at least he has the balls to acknowledge it. As an experienced (14 years) sales and marketing professional it's my job to either cut through the BS or to make up some BS that sounds plausible enough to be able to make things sell, so I'm pretty sure I can see through people's intentions from experience.
And I also already addressed your other point and agreed that if it is unjust, you should do all you can to take the company to the cleaners, but if not, you should accept it: "if it was wrong for Nintendo to fire him, then he could obviously say so, now that he has been fired and fight any contract that he was under.
I would do the exact same thing. If you screw me, then I will damn well screw you back. If however, they are within their rights to fire me, I will cut my losses and take it like a man."
It is the world we live in, my friend. Accept it or step out of the train. Individuals will only very seldomly change the way things work, so no use holding your breath for that to happen. Not saying you should always just bend over and drop your pants, but moderation is key. What you suggest is more than a bit Utopian to say the least: companies where you can freely speak your mind. Most businesses don't offer that option simply because having the rule set that they have is what is needed to drive their business forward.
Everybody speaking for themselves and having their own ideas may well create such an amount of chaos that it would run any company into the ground. Which is EXACTLY why companies have spokespersons, and Chris Pranger isn't a media spokesperson, so he shouldn't have spoken out in the way he did, he was far too low on the ladder to say the things that he did. Although I did listen to the Podcast, even if you don't and you read the transcript of it on NeoGAF, it's pretty damn clear to me what's what.
There are only a few sectors that would benefit from true, open discussion and most of them are in the creative sector, so software development could indeed fall into that category but only to an extent, and like it or not, disagree with it if you want, it doesn't change the facts that are on the table for all to see.
Each of us has to either find the job that suits us most or make your own way in the world; whatever it takes to survive and make a decent living so some enjoyment can still be had, because live is short enough already, so too much negativity will do none of us any good.
I don't like bad things happening to anyone, so also not to Chris Pranger, so I do wish him good luck for the future, but it truly is an understatement to say that he did something really, REALLY dumb and he should probably have applied the "think first, talk later" method to the Podcast interview.
And cognitive dissonance? I'm not going there with you, buddy. Besides having an analytical mind, I am also one of the most social persons you will likely ever meet. I have once been categorized as "highly empathic" by a psychologist, because I can truly pick up on other people's pain and in some cases it also has an effect on me, like making me intensely sad or even angry, but I'm also a person that likes logic and basic common sense, devoid of feelings, because that is a tool that you will need quite a bit in your professional career, whether you like it or not.
And I don't just do whatever anybody tells me either, but I do what I am paid to do since that is what having a job amounts to, and if there is something that I don't like, I step into the responsible person's office and we discuss it in an adult manner, and most times we reach a decent middle ground.
@TheRealThanos See my post above #349. It really goes more to what I'm ultimately getting at with this continued debating around this guys dismissal.
PS. The reason for signing these contracts in the first place: People NEED jobs to live in modern society. These days you LITERALLY do not really have a choice but to accept the growingly oppressive rules in these contracts, which, you really do not even agree with most of the time—if you want to be able to feed yourself and live. Such is the society we have created. If people did not NEED jobs to live they would LITERALLY tell these companies to go f**k themselves for having such utterly absurd, enslaving and oppressive terms and conditions in their employment contracts. But, in modern society, we less and less have a choice. We have to accept more and more control over something as simple and fundamental to the human condition as how we act, even what we say and express just as personal opinions (we now act like social robots in most workplaces; and even when it seems like people are acting normal, it's mostly just a social facade), just in order to secure the job in the first place.
Cognitive dissonance.
Well...it is the way it is, that's how business works and we all know it when we signed on the dotted line and accept the terms and conditions, so it must be fair, your signing of the contract says as much, and if you say it isn't then you are just being unreasonable and argumentative because that's the way it is in our society. Maybe, if you don't like it, you should just not be pat of society. You have a choice. He had a choice. He shouldn't have said anything, because it said so in his contract, and the fact he did say something, well, he deserves to be fired. He harmed that poor company.
It's certainly not a growing problem in our society, and it's certainly not an issue that needs to be addressed, or that by my very attitude in defence of it, I might even be helping to advance such an oppressive and enslaving regime.
He talked about Nintendo in a podcast. He got fired. It's that simple.
@Kirk Erm... I already told you that I have read everything before I even decided to comment? I've read each and every comment from #1 to #351 including your whole battle with all the others and all the links that people posted to, and these last few comments are my two cents.
I've thought them over quite well, I even thought of not commenting at all initially, because all the virtual fighting kind of put me off at first, but I think I just called it like I see it, and I added a bit of my own business insights to it from the perspective of how I operate when at work.
Just referring me back to comments that I've already read (and quite thoroughly, I might add) isn't really going to change my mind. No offense, though...
P.S.
Yes you need a job to pay the bills, but other than those awful teenage jobs at Walmart, McDonald's or doing newspaper rounds, most people sign contracts at companies that they actually WANT to work for or in a line of business that they studied for, so that also equates to a job that you would like to have, otherwise you wouldn't have taken a couple of years to get a diploma for it.
I don't know where you have been employed other than Rockstar, but I have NEVER signed any contract that I didn't agree with. And if I was offered a contract, the company wanted me, so we would go into a negotiation on those few occasions when there was some small print that I didn't like, but those were few and far between.
People that sign contracts that they actually don't want to sign, should probably check to see if they have a backbone...
And just to be on the safe side: obviously taking into account exceptions where people have to take a lousy job because they are in debt or any other personal situation that makes it necessary to except any and all jobs offered to them, but I was talking in general, so most people will have a job that is at the very least okay to them.
@TheRealThanos "most people sign contracts at companies that they actually WANT to work for or in a line of business that they studied for"
Did you honestly just say that?
Do you know the percentage of people working at jobs they ACTUALLY want to do in this world?
"People that sign contracts that they actually don't want to sign, should probably check to see if they have a backbone..."
Did you honestly just say that too?
Do you know the percentage of people working at jobs where they signed a contract where they didn't really agree with a few of the terms, but did so anyway because they basically were desperate to either work there or just to have a job at all?
Christ; probably every single person in here did a similar thing when the got their mobile phone or home console; and that's just a single thing in a life full of a million things where they accept things they really do not agree with but feel they have not real choice but to accept if they expect to live in normal society and function relatively normally in said society.
Look; I know how the real world works, business is business and all that, but let's not kid ourselves that that's the ACTUAL truth that runs beneath the bullsh*t surface layer too—that this is what most humans beings ACTUALLY believe in their hearts and souls, and that this is how they ACTUALLY think it should be and would have it be IF they ACTUALLY had any REAL CHOICE.
All I'm really doing here is arguing and fighting for the last shred of that truth, real human decency towards each other, that is still left in the society we have created, ESPECIALLY when it comes to business (which most of the world is at this point in time; just one big business), and that a few of us are still trying to preserve—because if we ALL just blindly accept it as "the way it is", without any fuss or fight (actually defending it in some cases), then it REALLY WILL be the way it is and that will be the end of it.
Then we really will all just be reluctant slaves to the machine, without any rights or freedoms—and THEN WHAT?
It's like all your friends have been lying to you about how happy and content they are . . . and you've never really bothered to ask them any questions, human to human, and find out the actual REAL TRUTH—such that you would discover the world around you is mostly a total lie, and most people out there are miserable as f**k and spend most the time dreaming for a life other than their own, but are too afraid to say so because that's not the done thing.
Go; try it . . . and actually ask every person you know if they are REALLY living the life they want to live . . . if they are actually genuinely happy in the job they are doing. . . if they honestly don't feel slightly trapped and honestly wouldn't change anything IF they REALLY had any actual CHOICE . . .
Most people aren't working for sites like Nintendo Life, playing video games and talking about their hobbies and passions as their actual day job, you know. God I only wish we were all doing jobs we actually loved like that. And even then the reality probably isn't 100% as rosy as how it looks to us as consumers. Most people aren't anywhere near doing what they REALLY want to do in life, and the reason is because in REALITY most people don't really have much of a choice but to do some barely bearable job, like working in a bank or some other soulless sh*t like that, unless they want to find themselves living on the streets and starving to death. Clearly however, these people don't seem to be telling you that, and are trapped living the lie, without even being able to AT LEAST tell the truth to their friends and the people that are supposed to be closest to them
Unless you live in a world of sunshine and rainbows, a world where everyone you know ACTUALLY is happy and content, that I am somehow unaware of (in which case I genuinely envy you lol)
@Kirk Oh man, I really don't know what else to tell you. I can only speak from my own experience and view on the world and it seems that mine is a bit less bleak than yours, to say the least. Doesn't mean that I'm walking around with blinders on, actually far from it.
I could say I would like to rephrase the "most people sign contracts at companies that they actually WANT to work for or in a line of business that they studied for" but I won't because literally EVERYBODY I know does that or has done that, having only menial jobs in their early careers, but nearly all of them have landed the job they wanted and the rest of them have simply started their own company.
Something I am also in the middle of, because I have some ideas that don't work in large companies, but that is my own thing and not a disagreement with the rules within the company, because I enjoy working there. I am just looking for a new challenge/more challenge and starting my own b2b sales shop seems to be the ticket for me.
Logic also dictates that people that study to become a certain professional do that by choice or for reasons that are largely voluntary, other than the obligations of needing a job to pay the bills. Most kids choose a certain education long before they realize what all these bills are that they are some day going to have to take care of themselves...
I could jokingly say that either the robots or the animals would probably take over then, making some lame reference to The Terminator or The Planet of the Apes, but seriously: I'm afraid I disagree there too, my friend. From all the comments that I've read it seems much more like you are fighting windmills instead of you being the one and only truthsayer. It's simply not as black and white as you seem to want to express to all of us. that first sentence is particularly overly dramatic in my humble opinion, no offense intended.
And as an empathic person, I hate to think of all the unnecessary struggles you almost certainly will have to face in the hopefully many more years to come that you will still spend on this little mud ball called Earth.
You don't have to betray your principles or change yourself to a point to where Kirk is no longer recognizable as Kirk, but principles are only good as long as they work for you, not against you...
Mull over that for a while if you please.
It's almost 1pm over here, so I'm about to catch some zzz's..
@TheRealThanos It probably would be better if we just let the animals or robots take over lol
I promise you it only seems like an over dramatisation because you presumably can't see it from where most other people in the world do—as in your own personal and fortunate circumstances have maybe slightly distorted your view and painted a more glossy version than I think it is for the majority of people out there; which ain't your fault but is probably true—and/or you're maybe a little unaware of all the stuff that is going on in this world, slightly hidden and under the surface, but that has a profound effect on it (a lot of it extremely negative and dangerous; especially in relation to our basic fundamental human rights and freedoms), and will continue to do so, more so, going forward.
Note: I'm not talking about any kind of "conspiracy" type stuff here either; just the real world around us and how it works.
If you want to get an idea of what I'm talking about specifically in relation to the continuing perverseness of big business and its profound effects, on all of us, then I would seriously recommend watching this video: https://youtu.be/Z4ou9rOssPg?t=74
It is genuinely enlightening, at times utterly terrifying—like the bit where it mentions that some corporation has actually secured the rights to the use of rain water in some random country; such that it is illegal for the human beings living there to collect rain water; the very thing required for all life to exist on this planet—and that is only the tip of the iceberg.
I genuinely envy that you and you friends seem to all have great jobs and stuff, but I can tell you for a fact that this isn't the norm and absolutely not the case for the vast vast majority of people in this world. So you, and your friends are indeed lucky. I wish everyone could be so fortunate in this life, but even in our first world country, which kinda are supposed to represent the pinnacle of our modern society, that isn't the reality for most people.
Yeah; my 'stubborn to a fault' principles def work against me when it comes to working for some company/corporations, but I think I can still, just, manage to exist in modern society and still stick with most of them. It surely means I'll never get a job at Nintendo though, which was one of my early and clearly naive childhood dreams, but such is life. I did work for Rare, when it was owned by Nintendo and in the classic era when it was making games like GoldenEye and Conker etc, so I guess I can at least say I got close lol
Cool. Have a good night.
@TheRealThanos
No prob man! Great to see other like-minded people do in fact exist.
As others have stated, he kind of had this coming. Still, I wish him the best of luck for his next job.
My 2 cents for 2 cents sake: It's business. It is how it is. Sure, I would be devastated, but at the same time, speaking ill of a company I currently work at and getting fired because of it would not come as much of a surprise. Sure, some see it as outdated, but that's how it is for MOST businesses.
It's all good and well to go "wow they don't care about him or his family or the fact that it's his dream job" when he of his own admission went against what was allowed, putting his job at risk and his family at risk, his benefits at risk... He did that himself, knowingly, and did it anyway. Despite whether it's an issue of "outdated or not" that doesn't change the facts and that doesn't get him his job back.
I appreciate when people show compassion like the author and most of the people in the comments. I believe he truly is sorry for speaking out of term. But having been on both sides, sometimes, it's not personal; it's just business.
This is in no way out of touch with the with the current industry. I work at a small mobile game studio here in the states and I had to sign an NDA when I got hired. Basically I'm only allowed to repeat what's already publicly available on our company's LinkedIn page; ie not much.
I would imagine Nintendo's NDA is similar, if not much stricter so a breach such as his is most certainly grounds for dismissal. This kind of secrecy is at the heart of pretty much any developer and publisher in the industry.
The reason Iwata, Reggie, and, Bill Trinen do what they do is because they are spokespeople for the company. Its their job to talk about the company and I'd wager that what they say is curated. Pranger's job in no way involved speaking with the public. He recognizes it was his fault and I find it disappointing that so many news outlets play so ignorant of the fact that this is SOP for any company, not just gaming companies, in order to tell the sob story that this man was unfairly dismissed and that Nintendo is backwards and out of touch.
@IceClimbers not if he has some insidetr Nintendo secrets he could share with Sony.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR Yeah, I agree with you as well. As the leader of a sales team I have also had the displeasure of having to tell some new people that they weren't exactly what we were looking for and I have also been on the chopping block myself, so I know that even though it sucks, it's just business and it's part of the world we currently live in.
Having said that, as far as Kirk is concerned: the thing is that even though in my view he certainly is a bit too much on the negative side and was going for a bit of dramatic wording where this topic is concerned, we all only know each other from behind the keyboard, so not being able to look into someone's eyes or get into someone's head makes me a bit more careful to judge, so I try to communicate with most people on here in a normal way as long as they do me the same courtesy.
I'm even taking the time to sit through the whole 2,5 hours of documentary that he sent me, I'm still curious enough to try and see where he's coming from. Maybe in the end we'll have to settle for "agree to disagree" but I have also had some normal and pleasant discussions with him in the past, so I'm certainly prepared to keep doing that.
We can't all be friends, but in my view we can definitely be civil to an extent and that is why I will stay polite for the most part, even when I'm criticizing someone. You're a bit more "in your face" than me, but not that offensive in general, in my opinion at least. There are obviously some topics that get more of a rise out of us than others, and most of that is colored by personal experience. Besides some lousy "extra pocket money" jobs when I was young, I have largely always had jobs that I enjoyed, or colleagues that I had such a good time with that it made the day a whole lot lighter, but I also realize that not everyone is that lucky.
Often times when topics like this come up, a lot of people only compare in terms of "the Western society" yet there are also a lot of other countries and there they may very well have both a horrible life and a lousy job, with no prospect for any decent future whatsoever, so at least in part there certainly is a point to his story.
Now excuse me while I'm going to start that documentary from where I left off...
@FLUX_CAPACITOR See? And that is why you are on my list...
And as for that last thing: no worries there, it has to be something REALLY spectacular or shocking for me to become warped by. I'm 45yo and I won't say I've seen it all, but I've seen a lot more than other people of my age and have gone through some really rough patches, yet somehow I'm still here, so it's going to take some doing to ruffle my feathers...
P.S.
In case you are wondering or haven't noticed, I mean this list:
https://www.nintendolife.com/forums/general_discussion/nl_user_comments_that_you_like
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