Topic: the reality for the wii!!!

EDIT: Whoops, I forgot to leave a reply.
I wouldn't consider it meaningless. A fan boy is basically someone who is blinded by love for their franchise. As a result, they often make irrational statements.

I love how people buy into the hype machine. God of War III? God of War is an overrated franchise. It's a beat-em up ala "Final Fight" or "Ninja Turtles" with high production values. Great, I love that monotonous gameplay. I don't have any hatred towards the HD consoles and actually use to like my 360 quite a bit (until it got the RROD). But people who drool over yet to be released titles and so called AAA titles are ridiculous. A lot of these "AAA" titles are really shallow games with big budgets much like half the garbage movies Hollywood cranks out. I guess you like Kanye West's music too.

I disagree. I think Fan Boys, Hardcore Gamers, and Casual Gamers can all be defined. A Fan Boy is someone who is genuinely in love with a franchise, no matter what the critics say about it. A Hardcore Gamer is almost completely focused on the game play, rather than the creative aspect such as story or characters. And a Casual Gamer is like a Hardcore Gamer, but to a much lesser extent. Meaningless? I don't think so.

Good points actually. And I would describe a fanboy as our PS3 comrade in this whole debate, who is so obsessed with Sony's lame console that he criticizes the Wii without having any real ammunition. Halo fanboy's think Halo is the best thing ever and will always criticize any other shooter. Xbox360 fanboys think their console is the best because it's powerful and anything less powerful will be criticized.
One of my ex-friends was an Xbox360 fanboy and I could just tell he was just that... a fanboy. all he was interested in playing was FPS's on his 360, and interesting in nothing else. I was then explaining to him for example the merits of Super Mario Galaxy and he wasen't interested.

Yeah, "fanboy" has a meaning, but it's just another insult for people who are obsessed with a game system or franchise. They are the worst of the worst since there's no reasoning with them.

My point was that no one can agree one what hardcore and casual gamers are, and that they're really just labels which mostly arose out of game industry marketing. It's easier to develop games for segmented audiences with clear labels so we don't have to say mouthfuls like "gamers who like guns and violence" and "gamers who don't really identify with games but play them every so often".

We all have our own ideas, but they never totally match up. Like I think of hardcore gamers in two ways: gamers from the 16-bit era and earlier, and those who chase the latest tech and play "hardcore" games like Call of Duty and GTA IV. Very different crowds, but both are "hardcore" imo, and for different reasons. And different from Toki's definition because the 'old' hardcore gamers do tend to care about story (particularly if they grew up with old text adventure games or CRPGs), and the 'new' hardcore gamers don't care about gameplay, but rather graphics and "mature" appeal like guns and hookers and blood.

My impression of what "casual gamer" means is someone who plays puzzle games online or something - doesn't invest too much money in games and plays typically cute or approachable games to pass the time. I know some housewives/mothers who fit this description perfectly. Different again because most occasional gamers I know are more seasoned and avoid those kinds of games because they're often shovelware rubbish.

But yeah, I think it's just marketing lingo that seeped into the gaming community through press sites and blogs.

Do you really regard those types of people as 'hardcore' ? People who play Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen video games are more hardcore then that. Frothing at the mouth (or other places) over a game because it's ''Bare violent, kick ass graphics with sick amounts of blood' are nothing more then brain-dead parasites. imo.

LOL yeah. That's the market segment games like GTA IV seem to have cut themselves out for though. Why else have a game where you can steal cars, horde guns, get involved with drug dealers and pimps and get on the wrong side of the law? It's easier to commit a crime than to drive safely through town in that game!

Admittedly I don't personally know anyone like that, but the internet is full of such people it seems... And that's precisely the sort of person I think of when someone says "hardcore gamer". It's like, HARDCORE and EXTREME, man!

EDIT: Oh, they probably listen only to gangster rap or nu-metal/death metal, but not both. They probably are younger than 20, cuss all the time on voice chat and subsist on fast food. My mind always paints a vivid picture of things... Enough of the stereotyping though.

I think you're delving back into "fan boy" territory. In my opinion, a "hardcore gamer" plays games because he/she likes the particular style of game play. What's more, they do it with a passion. Now, if he/she likes the story, that's a whole different subject.

There can't be a proper definition for hardcore because they'll always be something/someone who will prove it wrong and that's because despite what it looks like on the intarwebs we're not a hivemind.

Oh! Well that changes everything.

I was half joking about my hardcore gamer description. It applies more to hardcore fanboys, maybe. Still, that's my first impression when someone uses the term, and I have to temper my thoughts since I know what I think it really should mean is someone who tends to follow gaming news and knows their way around games to a competent level, and plays fairly regularly. I personally don't think it has anything to do with being more or less interested in gameplay or story or graphics though. Maybe genres? Don't know many casuals who like 2D fighters or space sims.

As I said, I don't see any need to complain about the Wii's graphics capabilities since they it's plenty powerful for rendering what is needed for most games. Only those games which demand a realistic and immersive aesthetic (typically "serious" ones like Heavy Rain) require anything more to be believable. And yes, then the Wii is underpowered and the game simply couldn't be released on it.

Going back on-topic, I still think the PS3 and 360's motion controls don't really threaten the Wii enough for Nintendo to need to create a new system... yet. It really depends on how quickly developers can get the hang of the Move's and Natal's controls and whether they can use them in games well. It seems a number of the early Move games are pretty direct ripoffs of Wii games, and most PS3 owners won't be impressed by that. Once they start doing some outstanding stuff which with it that garners a lot of attention and sales, then Nintendo may have to think of something.

I honestly don't see why we need a console more powerful than the Wii.

A PERFECT description Toki and one to which I subscribe. That term was around LONG before video games folks and including things like sports fans, television show fans, etc. I randomly asked a few of my co-workers, even those that didn't do any gaming, and that's pretty much the definition they gave as well. Maybe I'm just old(school). ::shrugs:: If I knew some of you were going to get so raged about it, I never would have used the term. Live and learn I guess.

Just to be clear to some of you folks that need a reality check: I do NOT own a PS3. I've owned an xbox for about a year and a half. I purchased my Wii at 12:01am on the day of it's release after waiting in line for it. I'm not a (derogatory) fanboy of any single console as they all have their redeeming features. I am a (non-deragatory) fanboy of things like the Raiders, Farscape, Chick Fil A, Chocolate Ice Cream and Blue's Clues _{(don't ask about that last one. )}

Now, to keep it simple for those who are simple: The thing that sets the Wii apart imho, is the controller scheme and it's catalog of games. Once it's controller scheme is duplicated by consoles that offer superior hardware, online services, etc, then that puts the Wii on catch-up/keep-up status. They'll need to make sure they're on their A-Game with their software releases and/or find some new way to innovate game play.

To clarify, it's not that there are not 'fan boys' about, people who make irrational, illogical, biased statements, due to their support for a game or system. Oh no.

Just that the term is used these days to mean 'anyone who disagrees with me, doesn't like what I like, has a different opinion, doesn't own my console, or doesn't agree that Super Ninja 27 is slightly better than Super Ninja 28, but not quite as good as Super Ninja 14'

Fan Boy is used far too often, and almost always as a cheap way of strengthening a weak or non-existent point.

In short - yes there are 'fan boys' about, but not to the extent that you'd think, given the constant labelling of pretty much everyone as a fanboy. By using the term for the flimsy reasons listed above, you weaken the term, to the point, that now, anyone using it pretty much cuts the legs away from their own argument, not the person being called a fan boy.

Hope that's clear, peeps.

@Magi Farscape! Ice cream! Blues Clues! We'll get along swell. I also have an Xbox... the last-gen one. Halo 2 was a great game.

Totally agreed. Nintendo needs to step up its support of third-party studios and games, and raise awareness for WiiWare releases. It's going to lose its ability to have exclusive Wii releases too, so they're going to have to find a niche which sets it apart from the competition... again. I don't think first-party Nintendo IPs alone will be enough to keep the console relevant.

Nintendo's made a lot of good decisions over the past few years, so let's hope they continue that trend.

I think this year will see Nintendo making some interesting games in the way only they can that have never been done before now WM+ is out, keeping the wii scene alive.

Plus I'm sure they will have other add-ons to be revealed.

I think Nintendo after the success of wii fit should not forget about the balance board and make some Mario related party game or well just any title and throw in some balance board/WM+ gameplay.

Agree about third pary support too, also Nintendo have enough games in their back catalogue simply releasing game fan favourites would keep the scene alive.

What I find really funny (and I say this with this thread specifically in mind) is the people that throw a tantrum when an idiot fanboy for a different console has a go at their pet console.

... and then proceed to act like fanboys themselves.

There's only one appropriate answer to this debate: "All three consoles have their advantages, disadvantages, good, and bad games, and it's 100% down to personal preference which console is best for each person."

BTW I prefer the Playstation 3, but I still get plenty of entertainment out of my Wii. For Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon and the Art Style games if nothing else.

Who exactly is this "idiot fanboy" in this thread that a few people keep talking about?

You either didn't read my post a few posts back, or you don't have a very active sense of irony.

wow thanks for all the feed back oh yeaa and sorry for the typo about next gen console i ment current gen