Topic: new HD upscaler for wii

now THIS is the perfect display for Wii games...All that it's missing is WideScreen

Sony KV-32HS420 32" 480p 4:3 CRT EDTV

~32" - (Fullscreen '32 inch', Perfect size for Wii games)
~480p EDTV
~Perfect Color
~Perfect Black Levels
~Perfect Motion
~Zero Lag
~No Upscaled image
~No Green Phospher trails

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41T83AVANML.jpg

The Only downsid is that it's bulky, heavy and it's Silver....Unless you like Silver hehe.
Oh and did I mention it's also HD and has an HDMI Input? Yep this TV has 2 native resolition, 480p and HD.

If I ever come across one of these before the Wii2 hit's then I'd definitly throw the cash down
This would smoke any Plasma when playing Wii games...

Also, if you must get an HDTV, than THIS Plasma is probably your best bet for Wii games.

Samsung PN42C450 42" 720p Plasma - New 2010 Model

This TV has fantastic color and solid Black Levels. Also, it's better that it's not 1080p, because then the Wii would have to do more scaling resulting in an even more blown up image and more Lag.

Put it this way, If CRT's didn't exsist, or if my CRT broke down or it was impossible to get another one as good as mine... than I'd plunk down the cash and get one of these bad boys. Also, if you hate the Red Stripe, you could always go for the C430(which is what I'd rather have), it's exactly the same as this set, except it has a few less inputs and again no black stripe which looks better if you ask me.

I don't know what this "lag" you keep talking about is all about...I have no such problems with my 720p LCD, nor have I seen any such issues with my friend's MASSIVE 1080p wall-mounted screen (not sure if it's LCD or Plasma).

I've never witnessed any "lag" on my 32" 780p polaroid either. I don't understand what these people who all talk about lag means.

If you had a CRT hooked up side by side, you'd notice it....It may not feel like it to you because you're so used to your HDTV, but any CRT gamer would notice the teeniest amount of lag.

@Donatello If you're experiencing output lag on a TV then you should enable game mode in the TV settings. That mode works by bypassing additional functionality like signal processing, which results in the image being rendered on screen much faster. It may not look as quite nice however, but I think response time is more important for gaming.

donatello, i'll agree with you that EDTV is probably perfect for wii games. but i wouldn't want a tv just for wii alone, especially considering that the wii is getting on in years. i think HDTV works just fine if you select a good one; which, if you're a gamer, you're unfortunately required to do.
i did a painstaking amount of reading before finding an LG which has less than 28ms of lag. it's about the most color accurate LCD available, has very little blur, good black levels, and good scaling, and it's wide, something EDTV may not offer. best of all, it'll be capable of displaying the HD resolutions the future nintendo systems will offer. there isn't a single game that looks or plays better on my old CRT unless you count the older systems, and i've gotten around that by getting most of my old games on the VC, which happens to make them look even better than ever.

not that i'm boasting about my tv, i just think if you find a good HDTV it can work beautifully without the problems you mention. vizios are about as cheap as they come and you can't project their performance onto all other HDTV's; i'm sure there are plenty of cheap CRT tv's that could give an equally bad performance. hopefully in a few years time technology like OLED will right all the wrongs and make this whole argument irrelevant.

it's hard to compare computer photos to your own tv, since the computer is so blown up and right in your face. if you wanted to really make things fair, you'd have to sit two foot from your tv while playing. then it'll look a lot more like that picture

I don't have any lag problems on my 60 inch HDTV either. The only problems I have with it are:

1) The picture is blown up so much, you can tell it's not in HD like that show you were just watching and
2) The sensor bar isn't wide enough, so if I have to point the wiimote at the sides and corners of the screen, then it gets jumpy. There's no lag at all with the exception of the last 4-5 inches on the left and right of the screen.

I usually just use it on the 28 inch SDTV downstairs in the basement. I couldn't see buying an SDTV when I moved out though, since it would be JUST for Wii, and the next console will probably be HD anyways.

Yep, when larger sized OLED's hit all of this rubbish will be history
The Question is when will Large sized OLED's break through the market? I'm guessing 2012
Also I plan on getting a 50" 3D 1080p HDTV shortly before the Wii2 hits, whenever that is.,,Which has to be 2012 at the latest.

I'm actually looking to buy a new tv, and I really don't know what to buy

@Donatello: I disagree. I went straight from playing Wii on a CRT to this TV with no transitional difficulty whatsoever. And I certainly have NOTHING like what's shown in the video Link-Hero posted, either. But my TV's box DID say it was ideal for gaming...perhaps it was especially designed to cut lag?

If it's mainly just for the Wii than I'd go for the Samsung PN42C450 or C430 42" 720p Plasma.

To what kind of tv? Plasma or LCD? And each HDTV handles Lag differently. Some might be minimal, or some may be big like that crappy Vizio plasma I pointed out. Even my Samsung 1080p LCD for PS3 gaming has lag. I tested out Mega Man 10 for the PS3 on the Samsung LCD, and MM10 for the Wii on my CRT and it was definitly noticable. the tiny amount of lag gives your character this added weight and doesn't exactly feel as zippity or as quick to control. I also find it weird that the PS3 version of MM10 has softer graphics just like MM9 did for the PS3, where as on the Wii it looks crisp/sharp. And I gotta say, using the PS3 pad to play MM10 felt oh soo wrong and nowhere near as fun or retro feeling

Anyways, these HDTV's all have different processors so you really have to try the tv your interested in out to see for yourself. If you don't notice any lag than that's awesome.

Hell even if there was no Lag I still wouldn't jump to gaming on a Plasma for the Wii....Because again you have to deal with an upscaled image, green phospher trails and inferior motion. I'm suprised by these new 2010 plasmas....you'd think they'd try and up the ante regarding motion and fix trailing problems and reducing IR ect, yet instead it's like these companies just want to focus on pumping out better black levels, and maybe color. 3D is the new thing this year which is great, but i want CRT motion damint ;p

I think I could maybe handle an upscaled image and some minor green trailing, but it's the Lag and inferior motion that break it for me.

Thanks! so this is the best possible TV for the wii? not a CRT then? and it'll be pretty good for PS3 games too right...? (not my console but I might borrow it). I hope i can find it because I'm not in the U.S...

btw, you speak about LCD and Plasma, what happens with LED? like Samsung UA40B6000 LED ?

I already said my TV is an LCD, didn't I? But yeah, it's no problem with lag for me. This COULD be because it actually doesn't upscale in the traditional sense at all, though. By which I mean: When I run my Wii, the TV says it's outputting in 480p. The TV is 720p. Is that actually possible, or am I misunderstanding something?

As for Mega Man 9 and 10, I hear that's because the WiiWare version is actually programmed differently, making use of the partial NES emulator in the console. The PSN/XBLA versions don't have that to work with, and they may have been unable to get the same NES feel out of their programming as a result.

ah, my bad i thought you were just talking about HDTV's only
I'd definitly get a Sony 32" Wega SDTV CRT if you can find one, and obviously get yourself a pair of component cables
But if you're having trouble finding a CRT and you want to go HD for your PS3 as well, then I'd definitly check out the PN42C450 or 430. It goes for $599 US

Why not the higher end B85000? Apperantly it's a fantastic set with amazing black levels and solid color. But it has a poor viewing angle and it's freakin expensive...And I'm pretty sure the motion isn't even up to snuff compared to a plasma. Don't let these gimmickey 120hz and 240hz modes fool you, they just add in frames making film look like video, which looks awful and cheap...Yet I'm sure that would be great for documentries.lol Planet Earth comes to mind

Thanks Donatello. I'm totally oblivious about which TV's are better. I just used CRT tv's with the wii and never had any problem. Now I need to actually buy a TV and I'm freaking out.. I did buy the wii's component cables when I was still in the U.S. because I figured I might need them. I thought about using some old CRT TV's but I'm afraid it won't work because they won't run NTSC - I don't know, haven't tested them yet.

If I were you I'd go to your nearest Best Buy or wherever and bring your wii with your component cables and test them on some of their Plasmas and CRT's and decide for yourself. Going CRT or Plasma has their pro's and cons.

480i SDTV CRT

+Perfect Motion,
+Perfect Color
+Fantastic Black Levels
+No Green Phospher trails
+Zero Lag
+Zero Scaling

-Super Heavy
-Bulky
-No Progressive Scan
-No Widescreen
-Geomerty issues, depending

720p HDTV Plasma

+Progressive Scan
+Widescreen
+Flat Panel Display
+Light
+HD for Bluray and PS3/360 games
+HDMI for Bluray, PS3/360 games

-Green Phospher trails (they are noticable to most people, but it depends on the set)
-Inferior Motion, but still better than LCD
-Colors and Blacks may not be quite as good as CRT depending on the set
-Lag....Again, may be minimal depending on the set
-Upscaled image
-Image Retention, but it goes away

You win some, you lose some it's really just a personal preference
I favor Perfect Motion, no lag, no upscaling, no phosper trails over having Progressive scan and Widescreen.
And it's funny all of this mumbo jumb won't even matter next gen since games will be 1080p....Unless Nintendo goes 720p, they better not! Not to mention by 2012 HDTV technology will be equal to CRT. Hell high end plasmas have basically nailed black levels, and samsung has nailed the Color. It's just motion that needs to advance, and eliminating phospher trails...oh and less IR would be nice too.