Topic: Motion lag

I've noticed that sometimes when playing games where a lot of sideways and frontways tilting is involved (Bit. Trip Beat and some Homebrew), it seems to cancel it self out when tilted too far. Very annoying.

People really need to open their eyes.
It doesn't matter how high end your HD display is there will always be lag if minimal. If you had the Wii hooked up to high end CRT(which I have) hooked up with component cables, next to a Plasma/LCD HDTV using component cables you'd clearly notice that the timing is superior on the CRT. I've played Metroid Prime 3 on many Plasmas and LCDs and it's still not dead on 1:1 to my movements like my CRT is. Maybe i'm just too much of a perfectionist and i'm anal. But there is a difference. And Gaming mode barely helps. Plain and simple, if your display isn't 480i or 480p native there will be some form of lag for Wii games. even the smallest teeniest amount of lag drives me nuts, especially for Sidescrollers like Mega Man, or Mario Bros for example were timing is everything. it breaks the experience.

These people who 'claim' they have no lag don't even notice it, because it's minimal but it's there. I've had may sure of many sets to compare with, and sometimes the lag makes your controlling your character feel heavier unresponsive timing wise ect.

This wont be an issue next gen. Since it;s most likely that 1080 full HD games will be the norm, along with 1080p HDTV's
Anyways, again Plasma is the only technology as of now that comes close to a high end CRT.
Panasonic gives out the best black levels, while samsungs are known for their superior more accurate color. Either way a high end plasma's motion still isn't up to CRT standards, but it's close.

PS: Games like Metroid Prime didn't feel as impressive played on an HDTV's...the perfect motion and 1:1 movemnt(with no lag) on my CRT is fantastic.
All said and done, my display beats any HDTV regarding color(although high end samsung plasmas are on par), Motion and Zero Lag. I'm just missing out on Widescreen and Progressivescan, which i'd love to have....but if i played the wii on Samsung Plasma I couldn't handle the upscaled image, inferior motion and Lag

I'm assuming CRT is the opposite of HD. Thats what I have, CRT.

I played the Wii on an HD TV and the lag was more noticeable on that one.

CRT stands for 'Cathode Ray Tube' It's the technology we've been gaming on since the NES days and yadah yadah. It doesn't mean SD, ED, OR HD, it's just a type of technology. A mid 2000 CRT Model(sony especially) is still the king regarding TV technology(Motion, Color and Blacks). They have made HD CRT's before, but they're 1080i/480p native and don't go above 34" which sucks. They're dinasaur heavy and practically dead by todays standards. The only reason I'm still holding on to mine is because of the Wii and because the motion it produces is still unbreatable for gaming.

Plasma's have a come a long way though....Panasonic 2010 Plasma's will most likey produce perfect(or close to) black levels, yet Panasonic still needs to work on their color accuracy and again, CRT still has the upper hand in motion. Samsung's got the Color dead on(it's CRT like regarding the high end models) but they have inferior blacks compared to panasonic. 2010 Samsung and Panasonic models are supposed to be hitting this month by the way

Anyways, If the Wii2 hit's late 2011, then I'm getting myself a 50" 1080p 3D HDTV in the beginning of 2011 when the 2011 HDTV models arrive in March.

@Donatello
if i don't notice the magical lag you describe then what's the problem? i'm sorry that you're super sensitive though. got to suck missing out on superior picture quality :/ I also played MPT on my HDTV with 480p component cables and my aiming was always precise and instant.

But I'm not exactly missing out on Superior Picture quality...The only upper hand to playing the Wii on a plasma(wont say LCD because they're trash) is progressive Scan and Widescreen. Evreything else, Color, Blacks, Motion will be alittle worse on a Plasma(dending on the set) for the most part. Then there's an upscaled image and Lag(again, depending on the set)

So you win some, you lose some. It's really just a matter of personal preference.
But yes, I'm sooo tempted to buy an HDTV set...but I'm waiting for the Wii2

And I honestly dont know how people game and watch Movies on an LCD, especially the low end ones....Artificial Color, weak blacks, poor viewing angle, and crappy motion. My Wii experiences on LCD's have been bluh, i can't handle it
Plasma is king at this point

There are, in fact, a few high-definition, widescreen CRTs out there, which would be the optimal picture experience on all fronts if you can find one. They're rare, though, and ridiculously heavy and beastly in size.

EDIT - Also, I agree with Donatello about LCDs, which is why I insisted on getting a plasma a couple months ago when my CRT died. The worst "feature" I've seen on any TV is all these motion-enhancement gimmicks that keep popping up, that try to create an even higher refresh rate by adding in frames, but that absolutely destroys and terribly cheapens the look of films, if you ask me.

gaming on an LCD is fine, at least nowadays. i don't know how old lcd's you've been playing on but mine isn't bad, just have to calibrate it and it'll look good, and a gaming mode takes care of the 'controller lag'

Exactly. All of this 120hz and 240hz BS is ridiclous and needs to end. All it does is make film look cheap by adding in more frames which makes the experience look 'nothing' like the film was intended to be. Like you said it looks cheap and does nothing to actually improve the LCD's motion. The only thing i can see it being good for is something like Planet Earth.

A Samsung or Panasonic Plasma are the only options I'd consider at the moment. By the way which Plasma did you get?
For the Wii i think a 42" would be the perfect size. If only they made new 480p 42" plasmas then there would be zero lag and no upscaling. I'd so be on that

as for HD CRT's, ya there are a few. Sony has the best one and it's 480p Native 'and' 1080i native.But the problem is, is that the screen size is 34" or 36"(Widescreen) which is alittle too small. If it were a 40" Widescreen which matches a 32"(fullscreen) from top to bottom than I'd definitly try and hunt one down, but that's not the case. Yet Sony does have a 32" Fullscreen set with Progressivescan. I've seen one on Craigs list....Well i did a few months ago I was sooo tempted

You're pretty much right on target: I picked up a 42 inch Panasonic plasma. I went for the 720p instead of 1080p, even though many would call me crazy for that, but I considered two factors: (1) less upscaling is required for all the 480 sources I use (DVDs and the Wii in particular), and (2) from where I sit, the difference between 720 and 1080 would not be significant (according to this handy chart and the layout of my living room).

Nice choice
I was thinking the same exact thing when i was about to pull the plug on the Samsung 42" 720p B450 plasma which was going for $799. And it's true 1080p at 42" isn't noticable between 720p unless you're sitting probably 4 feet away i'm guessing. I'd be sitting around 9 feet away so going 1080p would be a waste at that size. and like you said, 1080p means more upscaling for the Wii which would result in a more blown up looking picture and more lag. The only thing 1080p would be perect for is Blurays and the 'few' 1080p PS3/360 games. like Virtual Tennis 3...whoopie!

But for Bluray alone, I'd want a 50" 1080p Plasma which would be perfect for me....And apperantly these new 3D sets that are hitting later this year are pretty damn awesome. One of the guys at IGN checked out a new 3D Panasonic plasma watching a new 3D Avatar trailer and it looked much more impressive than what you get with 3D in the theatre. It's because these new 3D glasses with these 3D HDTV's give you 1080p in each eye ect ect where as the ones at the theatres don't.

Really though, I'm even more excited for 3D games next gen than advanced motion controls as crazy as it sounds.
Hopefully Nintendo busts out the 3D...because so far Sony seems to be the only one doing so.

CRTs are so much better for displaying anything that isn't HD. The only reason I don't use them is the inconvenience, they're just too big and heavy and I've moved home a lot in the past few years.

I've never tried a plasma though, I'm just talking about LCDs here.

Sorry I haven't gotten the cables yet but I just wanted to make sure. On NES and SNES games when I run the outlines on the sprites seem to have a mini rainbow effect's hard to explain. The outlines flicker but nothing else. What I mean about the outline is the black outline on the sprite. Will the component cables fix this?

The difference between Plasma and LCD is night and day.
LCD's should be banished from the HDTV World

I find your opinion fascinating, since Plasma is generally considered to be garbage/the poor man's HDTV.
I'm not really sure why LCD is preferred... I know Plasma has the burn-in problem. I think I'll do a little research...

Why do you want widescreen? The Wii can be played in standard (4:3) mode in 480P,right?

Sony makes a 40" 4:3 model (KV-40XBR800), which I'm currently trying to track down. I would say it is the ultimate television for retro gaming (all systems other than Xbox 360 & PS3). Either this model or the KD36XS955, but the second is much harder to come by. These things are absolute beasts, you are right about that. The 40" model weighs in at 304lbs!!! Don't expect on moving this monster without at least two strong guys.

I currently have a Sony

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LOL
Burn in is a thing of the past. The only thing you have to worry about is IR(image retention) but that goes away.
Plain and Simple, Plasma offers superior motion, Color and Black levels. While LCD's inferior on all levels although their blacks have been getting better. LCD's also have viewing angle problems, especially LED's(overpriced rubbish)

Plasma's only downside is that they have image glare and IR. Glare isn't a problems for me as I have a CRT and dont play games in the beaming sun light. there's no window beaming on my TV anyways, since it's behinde me TV. And IR goes away, and each set depends.

Anybody who choses an LCD over a Plasma is uninformed and flat out bug nuts
Yes burn in exsisted years back, that's why evreybody chose LCD for gaming because they were scared of it happening. Yet everybody knew that Plasma offered superior PQ. But to each their own, if you like watching movies and games on an inferior technology than go for it.

nintendonerd0011

I've actually heard about that set you're talking about, but I have zero interest in it. a 40" 4:3 Screen for Wii games is too big if you ask me...Not to mention the set is dinasaur heavy and totaly bulky ;p And i'm pretty sure it doesn't have progressivescan but i could be wrong. I'm just sticking to what I have now again until the Wii2 hits or it breaks down. Then I'm going Plaaasmmmaa An OLED would be even better but large sized OLED's arent for sale yet. Should be soon though.

Well, to each his own. I personally can't wait to pick one of these monsters up to play video games on. The bigger the better (as long as the picture still looks good). The KV-40XBR800 does have progressive scan, as do most other high end HD CRT Sony models.

I currently have the KV-32HS510, and I love it! The picture is amazing when playing Wii with component cables, and retro systems (NES/SNES) look great too. The only reason I'm looking into getting the 40" beast, is because they sell for so little right now, and I want to get them while people are switching over to LCD/Plasma.

Don't talk to me about OLEDs. :[ I'm still paying for my Samsung LCD which occasionally flashes to a black screen on component input, and which puts a permanent green tint on any HD output if a Linux computer is connected to it (I found that out the hard way).