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Topic: Looking for an HDTV for some Wii Love

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DivineDope

I am looking to get an HDTV. I would like any info on HD to Wii connections. Do I need some new cords to connect them to eachother?

I have some criteria for my perfect HDTV, so if you're well educated on the world of HDTVs, please chime in.

I want:
Amazing Picture and Sound Quality
Excellent Durability, Longevity
Lovely ScreenSize - I don't have anything for reference but I'm gonna guess that around 30" would be perfect
Eco-Friendliness. This is really important to me. Energy efficient, recycled/recyclable materials, lack of environmentally hazardous materials, every TV they sell they donate 10% to the SaveThePandas Foundation - I'm all over it!

If you have any input, I highly value your knowledge
Much Love and Gratitude.

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pixelbuffer

Wiis don't output a HD signal. I recommend using component cables for the Wii (they have 5 connectors into the TV - red, green, blue, red, white) since they offer progressive scan which means an overall clearer and brighter image. They still only output to 480p, which is an SD resolution.

Since the Wii outputs an SD signal, it will have to be upscaled by the TV itself. This can cause noticeable input lag and picture quality loss, depending on the TV's model. If it has a "game mode" or you can turn off extra processing like dynamic colour correction it can help improve the input lag. Each HDTV handles SD signals differently though. If you're talking 720p at around 30", you shouldn't experience any significant problems as long as you get a good quality set.

Samsung seems to be a good brand but I couldn't recommend any models. Maybe some others on this forum can however. Hope you find a good one!

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romulux

i went through this whole process, looking for almost exactly what you are, and got a lower-mid level LG. their tv's have low lag and even without game mode on it barely amounts to two frames, which is below the human threshold. they also have excellent color accuracy and give you the best picture you're going to get from any tv in the 30" range. there are even built in calibration patterns to set your tv up and they stand up to every test pattern i've got on dvds or blu rays. they're pretty efficient and have an energy saver mode that dims the backlight, although you could do this with pretty much any LCD you buy.

the only problems are that dark colors have some motion blur, which isn't too bad, and that the scaling leaves the picture a little blurred. you're not going to find a tv in your range that avoids either of those problems though, at least not for a few years down the road. mine is a 32" model from 2009, the newer ones have improved pixel refresh rates and the blur won't be as bad. 720p will mean less scaling and less lag and blur, so if you're buying it just for your wii avoid 1080p.

if you don't like the LG you could also go panasonic, their mid level sets have some of the lowest lag out there. i don't think their picture quality is as good as LG's though, and they load their tv's up with a bunch of superfluous crap i didn't want (an ipod dock, photo editing, ect.) I'd avoid samsung, since their picture is really oversaturated in order to look "good" to people who don't know any better and their lag is a little higher than the sets i mentioned.

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warioswoods

I'm happy with the look of my 42" 720p Panasonic Plasma, and it has super-low lag. The 720p makes it less egregious as far as scaling. I also have the VDigi HDMI adapter for the Wii, which produces a much better look than component on this particular set. (I've been testing the VDigi's various settings for a while now and really ought to make a new thread detailing its pros / cons.)

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Bankai

romulux wrote:

i went through this whole process, looking for almost exactly what you are, and got a lower-mid level LG. their tv's have low lag and even without game mode on it barely amounts to two frames, which is below the human threshold. they also have excellent color accuracy and give you the best picture you're going to get from any tv in the 30" range. there are even built in calibration patterns to set your tv up and they stand up to every test pattern i've got on dvds or blu rays. they're pretty efficient and have an energy saver mode that dims the backlight, although you could do this with pretty much any LCD you buy.

the only problems are that dark colors have some motion blur, which isn't too bad, and that the scaling leaves the picture a little blurred. you're not going to find a tv in your range that avoids either of those problems though, at least not for a few years down the road. mine is a 32" model from 2009, the newer ones have improved pixel refresh rates and the blur won't be as bad. 720p will mean less scaling and less lag and blur, so if you're buying it just for your wii avoid 1080p.

if you don't like the LG you could also go panasonic, their mid level sets have some of the lowest lag out there. i don't think their picture quality is as good as LG's though, and they load their tv's up with a bunch of superfluous crap i didn't want (an ipod dock, photo editing, ect.) I'd avoid samsung, since their picture is really oversaturated in order to look "good" to people who don't know any better and their lag is a little higher than the sets i mentioned.

I think you are the first person I've ever seen recommend LG. Ever.

romulux

waveboy, the VDIGI does introduce lag of 8ms according to the manufacturer but it's important to remember that it also reduces lag by doing the scaling for your tv. it probably scales faster than what's in most sets, so i wouldn't expect it to increase the overall lag at all.

WaltzElf wrote:

I think you are the first person I've ever seen recommend LG. Ever.

from what i've read their older sets weren't great and it wasn't until recently that they started making good tvs, i wouldn't know. what matters is that i did a lot of comparing and the LG was the best for what i wanted by a good margin. looking at a samsung you'll see extremely rich and vibrant colors, but when a human face comes on screen it looks off... because you know that people don't look like that in real life. they have some pretty good specs and contrast ratios but the picture accuracy pales against most LGs. i've got to go high five jon wahlgren!

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salty1264

sony bravia ftw

have a wii,dsi, gba and gcn but getting a 3ds and ps3. my fave game of alltime for all systems is black ops on wii

OldBoy

My 32"Samsung 720p set looks great for my Wii using components. Basically any mid range Samsung or Panasonic set should suit your needs just fine (Sony are good too but wildly overpriced IMO). Find a couple of sets that suit your budget and just have a look at some reviews.Simples.

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DivineDope

WaveBoy wrote:

Still, nothing beats a 480p Widescreen EDTV CRT for Wii gaming.

Oh? I think I could totally settle on that. I guess I thought anything with a DopeWideFlatScreen was HD.

Thanks for all the help fellas!

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CaptainRandom

HolyMackerel wrote:

They still only output to 480p, which is an SD resolution.

480p is enhanced definition.

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Squiggle55

our first HDTV was this Panasonic Viera Plasma and I have no complaints. Of course I don't have another HDTV to compare it to but I've never been disappointed with my gaming. I've never noticed any kind of lagging but maybe I'm just oblivious We simply chose it after a little online research and seeing a lot of happy customer reviews. Plus it looked good in the store and was a good price for the size.

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pixelbuffer

Aiko wrote:

HolyMackerel wrote:

They still only output to 480p, which is an SD resolution.

480p is enhanced definition.

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BrainOfSweden

HolyMackerel wrote:

Samsung seems to be a good brand but I couldn't recommend any models. Maybe some others on this forum can however. Hope you find a good one!

I have a Samsung LCD Series-4 with a 32" screen, and I'm using a cheap componentcable, and I haven't noticed any lag on dynamic colour mode. Just wonderful bright colours
And DivineDope, you should get some componentcables if you wanna get the most out of your gaming experience. Just remember that 480p won't work with Virtual Console, but just change to regular 60Hz 480i when you want to play those games.

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rolLTheDice

What i wouldn't recommend is a Telefunken T32KWM875 FHD DVB-T. I've got one and am not too happy with it.
With 6.5 ms reaction time it's too lame without Game Mode. And if you turn on Game Mode it looks like you're using the packed in cable of the Wii instead of the Component Cable which i totally recommend too.
So why am i writing this when i can't recommend one ? Well, because i found out a pretty strange secret on that TV.
I turned on Game Mode and enabled Picture in Picture. Once i shut off PiP again the resolution looked way better.
So everytime i play my Wii these days i enable GameMode, turn on PiP and turn it off again. So i get a good reaction time and a good resolution without the need for a new TV.
Just thought somebody might find that helpful.

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warioswoods

WaveBoy wrote:

warioswoods wrote:

I'm happy with the look of my 42" 720p Panasonic Plasma, and it has super-low lag. The 720p makes it less egregious as far as scaling. I also have the VDigi HDMI adapter for the Wii, which produces a much better look than component on this particular set. (I've been testing the VDigi's various settings for a while now and really ought to make a new thread detailing its pros / cons.)

I've heard the Vdigi HDMI adapter itroduces more lag, is that true?
And how much better does the PQ look when compared to component on your Plasma? With the Vdigi I've heard the colors look even richer, and the image looks a bit clearer overall. But there's been so much mixed reactions on the product and this and that.

Sorry that I missed your questions until now, but I've had plenty of time to play with it, so here goes, in brief:

  • the VDigi adapter's greatest strength is its color enhance option. Turn it on, and I get beautifully rich colors over the HDMI that far surpass anything my component cables gave me.
  • it also greatly increases the overall luminosity of the image while keeping the contrast and blacks intact, so that it looks wonderful on my plasma (which tends to be relatively dark)
  • Those two advantages, and the overall increase in quality due to my TV loving HDMI and hating component, are all that I use. I don't use the VDigi's upscaling at all. I have it set to 480p output, but over HDMI and with color enhancement. The results are beautiful, work well with my TV, and cause no additional issues whatsoever.
  • As far as I can tell, the VDigi does not add any lag at all. I'd imagine that it's comparable to the miniscule lag my TV added when it had to internally convert the component signal.
  • Fortunately, using 480p output means that I can still play 4:3 Virtual Console games correctly without issues, scaling, or horizontal stretching.

Ask away if you have additional concerns. In the end, the VDigi was a significant upgrade for my setup, even though I'm not using its much-advertised upscaling feature at all.

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komicturtle

My brother has a new 3D enabled LED 1080p HDTV by Samsung and the Wii games look gorgeous on it compared to the TV I'm using which is 720p and also by Samsung. Seriously, playing Donkey Kong Country Returns, the colors are lush and lively. And because it has some motion thing built into the TV (realistic motion or something), everything looks more lively. Even Goldeneye 007 Wii looks amazing.

I think he spent $1000 on it, but it was because it was discounted since he had some 'connections'.

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romulux

warioswoods wrote:

I don't use the VDigi's upscaling at all. I have it set to 480p output, but over HDMI and with color enhancement.

double take ...wait, what!

here's the thing. HDMI and component are equal when it comes to the signal quality; HDMI can do higher resolutions,but at the same resolution the two look identical.
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if anything, using HDMI is degrading your signal since the wii's output is being generated in analog, then converted to HDMI; digital and analog conversion processes alike can degrade the picture a little. component devices convert to analog, HDMI devices convert and output in HDMI, and you're doing both for one signal.

i'm sure the color enhancers and the other options look pleasing, but how could they "add" color to the signal? they don't sound much different from the "dynamic color" type options your tv already has in it that inaccurately oversaturate the picture.

i'm not trying to bum you out, i'm just saying that the scaling is the only objective improvement the scaler can make; if you like the other enhancers that's fine, but just know that they're distorting the picture to look that way.

WaveBoy wrote:

I remember hearing somebody say that 480p scales 'evenly' into 1080p so there for it looks slightly better, but that just doesn't sound right.

sounds like bs to me. scaling to 1080p requires more than doubling the resolution... go into photoshop and try scaling something to 225%- it'll obviously look worse. that's basically what you're doing to wii games with a 1080p tv. 720p is equivalent to scaling up by 150%, which should look much better even if it's still a little blown up looking.

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