Topic: At E3 the Wii will look like a pile of JUNK

They let there Games do all the talking

Zelda and 3DS is all they need. And didn't Nintendo have something secret planned?

Also, it's the Sony Move, not Microsoft Move. Microsoft's thing is Natal.

Oh what ever lets see what happens the 15th.

Correct. An easy way to remember it: Microsoft Natal is the thing making promises that there's no way it will live up to. Sony Move is the thing that won't even live up to promises companies were making five years ago.

Random: What new awesome non-Wii copy are you going to purchase?
Me: The thing that won't even live up to promises companies were making five years ago.

The only Nintendo product I'm excited about is Zelda Wii.

A showing of Xenoblade and The Last Story (which is rumored to be the first core title to use the vitality sensor) alone will win E3 for Nintendo (if more gamers actually knew more about those titles ) However, we don't know if Retro Studio's game or Project Sora game will be there as well.

@Chicken.... I wouldnt be so quick to not take Move seriously. At first it wasnt looking to promising, but the new videos of it and also the internet sites that have gotten hands on time with it have been very impressed. Not to mention Sony is promising hardcore game support and not just casual.

@Wave... Im right there with you on the Motion Plus built in. Im really hoping for that one. As well as more games that support it. Im still shocked Galaxy 2 doesnt require it.

Nintendo could have anything up their sleeves. Anything.
The new Zelda could be better (or worse), than Twilight, Ocarina, or even Majora's Mask. Only time will tell. Other M will be a big shocker because more people will get hand-on demos to see how it's all coming together and what-not.

We should be getting more news on 3DS and Vitality, along with an announcement of Pikmin 3 and possibly some surprises.
But that's just my prediction. Seems pretty accurate to me.

My hangup is that Sony doesn't work the way Nintendo does. Nintendo comes up with some new idea for hardware, but you can always count on them having a pretty darn strong (barring a few admitted exceptions, like Virtual Boy) lineup of games ready to take advantage of it in the best possible ways. You can always count on a Mario, Zelda, Metroid, whatever to come along and make that hardware innovation worth having around.

What does the Move have? I have no idea. They can promise hardcore support, and they can promise the moon on a stick, but without knowing what the games are, there's no way of knowing how much it'll be worth owning. I don't care if it's the most technologically-advanced gizmo on the planet if there aren't any fun games to use it with.

With Nintendo you can pretty much count on there being some great first-party stuff to make it worth having, even if the third-party support is borderline abysmal. With Sony, I don't know what to expect. And until they start talking, Move is just a battery-powered paperweight.

Caveat: I WANT to be proven wrong. I'll be glad if Sony comes up with some powerhouse gadget and a strong library to back it up. I'd like a reason to take them seriously again, so, hey, give it to me boys. But I can't get excited over technology without conceivable application. Show me the games, then tell me why I need the Move to play them.

I agree with Chicken on this one. Obviously we haven't seen everything yet, but almost all games that have been shown for Move have been pretty blatent copies of Nintendo games or just other "casual" stuff. But I suppose I'll wait to see.

No way...Microsoft releasing a product that's difficult to work with and buggy as hell. That just completely goes against the high standard of quality I've come to expect from Microsoft. They're generally so careful about making sure their products are polished before release.

I almost forgot about those two. I'm ridiculously excited about both of those games

Nintendo didn't have a lot of titles announced in advance of the Wii Remote. They just revealed the hardware and made some vague suggestions as to how it'd be used. The Move is in no different position, aside from the fact that it belongs to a company this site doesn't cover. So the reaction is not surprising.

I'm not interested in it myself, but I'm also not interested in the Wii remote, so that's not surprising either. One of my Wii remotes is broken and doesn't recognize motion input, and yet unless I want to play BIt Trip Beat, that controller works just fine for just about every game I play. But Sony is sure to have strong titles other than the shameless Sports Resort rip-off. The next SOCOM supposedly plays decent with it.

The strengths of the 360 and PS3 have always been strong titles that don't rely on gimmicks. I'm concerned that trying to be like the Wii is only going to dilute their libraries' overall quality as developers go through another cycle of trying to learn how to put motion into games that never needed motion to begin with, and of course the thousand and one Wii rip-off titles sure to come that show off some motion gimmick as cheaply as possible to cash in before people learn to discern these titles from the quality ones.

Natal has mostly looked terrible so far, and insider reports seem to confirm this. The Move is supposed to work very accurately though, and Sony has repeatedly claimed that they are looking to apply the technology to more traditional games. I just hope if this is the case that it somehow enhances the experience rather than doing motion for motion's sake.

Do people actually believe the SOny Move and NATAL are going to sway casual Wii Sports players over?

Sony's....whatever its called, looks...stupid, I gotta admit, lol. Still prefer the Wii over that, and never really saw Natal before...so, whatever. Nintendo is still gonna be awesome this E3. 3DS, Pikmin 3, Okami-whatever, Zelda Wii, (I'm assuming) more Other M info/videos, Nlack and White, and chances are they may have some other surprises up their sleeves for us, so...who knows.

Apparently so.

they're not looking to sway casuals who own Wiis, gabe, they're looking to pick up new casuals in the market for a console to play who may not have considered a PS3 or an Xbox before Move/Natal. there's still plenty of those milling about, lol.

I think Microsoft genuinely believes older people and kids are going to want to play with Natal. I also think they're crazy.

Sony's tech is Wii-like enough that they can convince kids and parents that the PS3 + Move is basically a Wii HD for Wii owners to upgrade to. I could see this working if there are good Move titles, but they'd also have to be titles that are more attractive to the younger crowd than Zelda. I highly doubt that'll happen either.

I think what both companies are missing though is that motion controls are old hat. Wii've been there, done that. It has lost that magical sense of possibility. Those who like the Wii motion will see just another motion controller; those who don't will suspect that at any moment it will devolve into a shake fest -- well, the Move, at least; the worry about Natal will be accuracy.

Sony's 3D capabilities might make a bigger splash than the move. That's an idea they've been publicly working on for a long time, so it won't be cast as a 3DS ripoff, and on a home console it makes more sense. Hard to get that sense of immersion playing a handheld on the bus or wherever.

E3 will certainly be interesting, if not in the usual sense. I predict a lot of bombast and no substance from Microsoft (Cirque du Soleil? Seriously?), and a decent showing from Nintendo and Sony.

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