Topic: Nintendo Movement by Shokio, what do you think?

I completely agree with this, also I don't see how many of these "demands" would improve Nintendo's standings in the market (which should be Nintendo's main goal)

these guys are running a muck all over miiverse. it's like the occupy "movement" the point seems to have been lost rather quickly and now they are just annoying everyone. i will give props to the fzero group tho. all of their check boxes are full showing they own the vc title. this atleast shows that money has exchanged hand between fzero and their whiny voices

What everyone is hearing is the "noise." The message will be lost amidst the shouting; people will know that some group was angry about something, but will they know why?

Complaining still does no good. You may not have the means to solve all of your problems, but you'll never know unless you try. Don't depend on others to fix your problems, take responsibility for yourself when you can.

Millions complained about the health care act, it did no good. All you can do is vote with your vote.

Would SONY have been unaware that PSN was down if people didn't complain; would they not have fixed it anyway? You could call them and explain to them your issue, without ever having to complain; I'm sure they would know that you weren't happy about losing service, without you having to tell them.

I personally believe that complaining does no good; but maybe we have different opinions as to what a complaint is.

I have no idea where you got the whole "let's work together" thing from. I didn't say anything like that.

I'd also like to note that a lot of the whine at the start of this thread was about the decision to make DK:TF rather than Metroid Prime 4. The whiners saying that the Metroid would have been a "better business decision" and would have "pleased the fans". Since then DK has launched, got critical acclaim, hit all the nostalgia buttons and has been fairly consistently near the top of the charts. So I'd argue Nintendo knows what they're doing more than this "movement" does.

Also a lot of the things they're complaining about from what I can tell don't really factor into purchasing decisions that much. When I buy a console I really, really don't care what sort of UI it uses unless it's going to really get in the way. I don't think anyone in the history of ever has said "it doesn't have folders? Well I'm not buying it then". Same with cross-buy which is probably the one whine I'm actually behind to some degree.

disappointed to hear this isn't going as well as i was hoping it would.

We must have different definitions, because there's no way you do absolutely no complaining in your life according to my definition. You would have to be like Ned from the Simpsons, which if you are, that's great but that's not how most people work.

Complaining to lawmakers does have an impact, and most people are not equipped to solve government problems. Not everyone has the education required to provide alternatives to socialized health care, that doesn't mean they have to shut their mouths because they already elected someone into office. The gay rights movement is effectively one big complaint. They're not offering another alternative to please conservatives, they're demanding what they want by complaining till they get their way (and rightfully so).

You act as if people are completely isolated from outside events and control everything in their lives.

Also, aspects of the health care act have been tweaked due to public opinion and the president himself has addressed the country due to outcry over certain parts. PSN would have been fixed regardless, but the amount of complaints over loss of service undoubtedly factored into Sony's compensation plan. Same goes Nintendo's ambassador program with their handheld. If zero people complained, you think Nintendo would have just given away free games? Of course not.

You can take a holier-than-thou stance on complaining, that's fine. But to say that it accomplishes nothing is factually wrong.

This is of course, completely ignoring reviews of consumer goods and services, which entirely rely on the praise and complaints of others. If you have ever used a review for a purchase of anything, whether it be a vacuum or an office chair or a vacation package, you have at some point used the complaints of others in your decision making process.

It already started I thought they where gonna start tomorrow afternoon and I was gonna go on Miiverse tomorrow afternoon to check it out, guess I'll check it out tomorrow morning.

Why does this one keep coming up. I don't get you guys. I mean "millions complained" but millions more voted for representatives that supported the legislation. Twice. Fairly convincingly. And last time I bothered to look at US politics the conservatives still weren't travelling too well. The extreme right protest whine sect in particular were losing support because of their obstructionist nature.

It's like the reverse of what's happening here in Australia. We got a conservative leader and he won control through an election. Convincingly. There was a mass protest against him recently across the country for a whole range of issues. However such protests mean absolutely nothing if the dude is still popular. They mean less again if they are about issues he was elected for. They mean less still if he wins the election after the protest.

At least Shokio TRIED something.
Some of you guys are being wayyy too harsh on him.
Its flawed but give him a freaking break.

The thing is the protest isn't about some great injustice, an unwanted burden or the failure to build important infrastructure. It's a protest against the lack of cross-buy, folders and games that some people want. A protest from people who already own the thing and were happy to part with cash for it. I mean really.

I mean imagine a political protest where there were signs that read:
"We wanted a rail line to the Eastern Surburbs, you gave us a train line to the North East instead!"
"The North East is ruined by this ghastly train station"
"How dare you improve the internets, we wanted better mobile reception also"
"What's with all these mobile phone towers, I don't want cancer"
"We demand yellow buttons on the train doors instead of green"

I never said I don't complain, I said I believe it does no good.

I would prefer not to talk about politics too much on a video game forum.

I said, control what you can control.

You can raise concerns, bring up issues, and have discussions, all without "complaining."

You can say it's "factually wrong", but there is no way you can prove that "complaining" is accomplishing anything.

I've enjoyed our discussion, but I think we just have a difference of opinion.

I'm on the pro-socialized health care side but voting doesn't accurately gauge Americans true opinion on the Affordable Care Act. Most voters had no idea what the health care reform was specifically when they voted (and they still don't). Polls since then have most people against the reform, seemingly now that they're more aware of the consequences.

Either way, most people aren't educated enough to fully understand the extent of the reform and its ramifications. Whether they be for or against. Of course no reform would be perfect and there are legitimate complaints, which is why people should voice their opinion, regardless of whether or not they can provide a solution to their problem. For instance, people being dropped by their providers. People rightfully voiced their concern and they were heard, resulting in the president publicly apologizing and evaluating new options to help those afflicted. Will those people definitely be helped? There's no way of knowing. But the possibility wouldn't have existed without people complaining about the situations they have been placed in.

Meh, I agree that most of those demands are minor and relatively pointless.

The only thing that really bothers me about Nintendo nowadays is the lack of innovation. I mean, I know innovation doesn't exactly grow on trees, but they can try harder than this.

I already did, Nintendo's ambassador program. In addition to the thousands of consumer complaints posted online every day that help fellow consumers. In addition to any civil rights movement ever.

Would love to know how black people would have fared if they never complained any. Or women.

Either you have a special definition for what a complaint is, or you're wrong, but either way I'm glad you enjoyed the discussion.

1. Complain to police about noisy neighbors.
2. Police visit noisy neighbors and make them not noisy.

That's the power of complaining my friends (or it could even be complaining to the neighbors, but that's not as fun)

Consumer complaints causing recall of a product and reimbursements. Link

Factory partly shuts down to due locals complaining. Link

Xbox One complaints causes Microsoft to change their DRM and used-game policies. Do I even need a link for this one?

Complaints can even cause your local neighborhood to stop hosting so many volleyball games, who knew! Link

Ok I think I'm done.. Ironically, I don't believe the complaints discussed in this thread will accomplish anything. lol. And such is the beauty of my posts.

Well when the Australian equivalent happened (Carbon Pricing) there was a swing against the party pushing it between 2007 and 2013 of ~6%. That's with about the same amount of time before it was eventually implemented. The US equivalent Obama had a 1% swing against him between 2008 and 2012. And from what I've seen your conservative side of politics made just as much of a deal about Healthcare as ours did about Carbon Pricing.

That's why the Tea Party protests didn't do anything. Because the general voting public clearly didn't care as much as they did. As opposed to the Australian equivalent where the actual physical protest was trivially small but the vote was much, much clearer.

To apply this to the Wii U stuffs. Nintendo won't care about a protest at all especially if you're doing it as people already sold on the idea of the Wii U. They'll care about their potential to make money. So far this "movement" hasn't really said much that would result in more sales. So why should Nintendo listen? More to the point if they do implement some of these ideas what makes you think this protest would have had anything to do with it? Some of these ideas are pretty obvious.

Well, that and a large portion of people think the Tea Party is crazy.. Their resistance may have helped the reform. lol (my favorite Tea Party article: Link)

And I agree in relation to this thread, these complaints will very likely not accomplish anything. I was more concerned with the art of complaining in general, which I'll leave be with my last post to not further derail this thread.

I further understand why I have avoided this thread, thus far.
I really do think this guy likes Nintendo and wants them to improve, but they probably already either know what to do, or are unwilling to do certain actions that many are asking for, anyway. Achievements, for example, would more likely be a play coin type system as the 3DS has. I won't go into the other points, because they've all been discussed before, and is exactly why Nintendo probably already has an idea of what they should do, if at all.

I just so happened to run into this tidbit from the thread... From what I understand, no one can really pinpoint which components are what makes Wii Mode run. I'm pretty sure that Wii Mode just runs off of whatever Wii U uses as components, as well. Technically, the Wii U can even run GCN games without much trouble, because it derives from that sort of technology, anyway, which also lessens doubt that they will release GCN on VC, eventually.

@SCAR
Well the architectural stuff is a large part of it but they went further than that. On the original Wii they physically supported the GameCube by having Memory Card slots and Controller ports as well as having it architecturally similar. The Wii U supports the Wii in the same way by having Bluetooth, USB, an SD Card slot, architectural compatibility AND 512MB of flash physically soldered on the board. Flash that's not used for anything other than Wii Mode.

So yeah, there's an actual Wii inside of the Wii U.

@skywake
There were still enhancements that made Wii better than GCN, though. They didn't put a Wii inside of the Wii U as Sony put a PS2 into the PS3, except for the flash memory. I thought the Wii U might have just partitioned 512mb from the 8/32GB flash memory, TBH, <--EDIT but perhaps that took processing power.

Well you'd be wrong because it physically has a 512MB flash chip separate from the rest of the memory. To repeat, there's one flash chip that's either 8GB or 32GB depending on your model on one side of the PCB and then another entirely different chip that's 512MB on the other side of the PCB.

Again, they did the same on the Wii. You couldn't use the Wii's flash to save GameCube games and you couldn't use the Classic Controllers to play them. Because in "Gamecube mode" you booted into what was basically a Gamecube inside of the Wii. Same thing here with the Wii U. Doing it that way, physically making the thing have the same components makes the backwards compatibility more-or-less 100%.

And yeah, Sony probably did do that with early PS3s. I didn't say they didn't or that Nintendo is doing something unique here. They also did it with the GBA and GBC support as well as DS and GBA support as well as 3DS and DS support.