Topic: Nintendo Movement by Shokio, what do you think?

1. If these companies don't care then it seems to me that the problem is with the publishers then, not the customers. If they don't care enough to put the effort into their games then customers aren't going to care enough to buy them. You get back what you put into something.
2. If the games they are putting out on Wii U aren't selling enough then try another game. The publishers are so quick to give up and if they would just pay attention in the first place to what the customers actually want then they wouldn't have had that problem in the first place.

In their defense, some of the things listed are doable such as folders, media playback (well the 3DS can do it), and maybe gifting games

While I agree with you, 3rd Parties and customers have allowed game budgets to get so high that it is hard to take risks now. Maybe with smaller downloadable titles they can take risks but it is hard with AAA, especially when past AAA games haven't sold well on Wii U.

The ironic thing about all this is, when there are too many voices, the ones that could actually make a difference, are drowned out by the noise.

How will buying VC gams show Nintendo that we want Crossbuy surely it would give them the impression that eveybody is happy with the current system.

By purchasing VC Titles you can show Nintendo that VC is important. If people aren't purchasing VC games twice (one of each system) then maybe Nintendo will add a feature where to can get the other version for a cheaper price. That would be the first step towards a cross-buy system. If you want Nintendo to support something you like then you need to support Nintendo will cash.

Part of that is do to how unorganized this "movement" is and how nobody really knows how to get messages across to companies(without spending money) but spending money is the best way to communicate with companies.

The way the entire "movement" is structured, makes it mostly complaints and demands, which is quite unproductive. If people offered solutions instead of complaints, then maybe more businesses would take consumer feedback more seriously.

And with Nintendo struggling in the Market a lot of these "demands" won't help or affect that

So, the plan is to spam Miiverse, and then that will make Nintendo of Japan suddenly understand what the western market wants?

EDIT: And his Twitch channel is filled with complete and total garbage. Spam, racism, personal attacks, etc. No one actually discussing Nintendo related anything. These people are not the type of people I'd want trying to start a "movement". And it's not just the people in chat, people on the actual stream are doing it as well, acting like complete trash (extreme foul language, dropping multiple types of "eff bombs", etc.). This is nothing short of an absolute joke. I want Nintendo to get their heads out of their rear ends as much as the next fan, but this? No, just no.

Rhythm Thief is one of the best games I've ever played yet it was completely neglected by Sega. I'm unhappy about that. So what do I do? I advertise it myself, and then they'll tell two people, and then they'll tell two people... and then maybe the people who made Rhythm Thief will hear about it too.

Yeah it sucks when developers leave the advertising up to the fan base, like with the entirety of the Wii U, but it's going to take some positive enforcement instead of negative whining. Anything else and maybe you just need to find someone with the right contacts.

I want that game so badly, just been waiting to have enough money lol

Because nobody owns Windows phone and people tend to buy PC games on Steam. As for a majority not allowing cross-buy well Sony, Valve, Apple and Google all have cross-buy built into their stores. So to say that it's "less than a majority" is a bit blind to reality.

Well the argument goes, and I agree with it, that if a purchase has more value then you're more inclined to buy. I don't buy NES VC games on the 3DS if I already have them on the Wii U. Plus most of the VC games I want I already paid for on the Wii VC. Why would I buy it twice?

Secondly there are some VC games that I probably would buy if there was cross-buy. The Megaman games for one, I was on the fence about them but wasn't sure if I would rather them on the Wii U or 3DS. So I didn't buy it. If there was one purchase that carried over to both I probably would have brought it.

That's why Nintendo should care.

So it's wrong to complain about what we don't like and the right thing to do is tell them how they should do things but not demand them?

Pretty much.

Actually yes. There is no reason Nintendo "owes" us these things. With some exceptions, Nintendo never promised us these things nor did we pay for such things in the first place. We should be only making requests, not demands, to Nintendo.

I never said it was wrong, I said it was "unproductive." I also never said offering possible solutions to problems was "the right thing to do."

I personally believe that one should never complain about a problem, without attempting to offer a solution as well. You can offer ideas, but if you don't know how to implement an idea, then the idea has limited value. Complaining is worthless, it solves nothing, and too many people do it.

When everyone speaks, no one is heard.

I saw the #NintendoRedirect on twitter feed. The posts on there seem to scream "whiny fanboys". I don't like using that term but that's what it was.

@Phantom_R I was actually interested in Rhythm Thief when the demo first came out, but I never got around to buying it. But last month I noticed it was just $20 in the eShop and downloaded it(couldn't find it anywhere near me in stores...) Just beat it today and I would like to see the sequel(though with poor sales, it seems unlikely...)

..except the group of people collectively complaining, they're heard quite well.

Your philosophical 'let's all work together' stance is very heart warming but there's plenty of instances where it's not practical. People can be negatively afflicted, by political decisions for instance, but not have the means to develop solutions to the problems afflicting them. Insurance premiums skyrocketing because of the health care act? Well don't complain, call Obama and offer a friendly solution.. doesn't work like that.

There are also times when there's not a 'solution' that needs to be determined. When PSN went down, everyone rightfully complained. The solution was to fix it, the consumers didn't need to conference call Sony to figure that out. Should nobody have complained? Of course not, the people paying for Sony's online service had every right to complain, and rightfully got compensated for their loss, likely due to the vocal nature of the people complaining.

On topic, I agree with those saying people shouldn't make 'demands'. Its your fault you purchased the Wii U with all these problems you have with the console. You could do that I did: laugh at the console and spend your money elsewhere. Instead you purchased it as is, and now the only option is to offer ideas, hope enough people share your idea, hope Nintendo hears or discusses said idea, and hope that it gets taken into consideration. Good luck with that.