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JaxonH

@Magician
At least... for those fortunate enough to get a system. By the time they start shipping out in earnest it'll be 2022, and it could take a year or two for substantial quantities to ship out. I imagine Nintendo will want to time the leap to next gen at the mind point of PS5/XS, as they did with Switch in the middle of PS4/X1. It's worked with great success for them, whereas 3 systems all releasing around the same time has not.

With that in mind, I expect next gen Switch in March 2025 or 2026, which would mark 8-9 years; that's consistent with their desire for this generation to last longer for them.

That potentially gives Steam Deck up to 4 solid years to shine. Unless Nintendo opts to release a Pro model and forego traditional generations, which I doubt but can't entirely write off as impossible. If they were to do such a thing we could see the next leap sooner. Either way though, Deck has a couple good years ahead of it.

And it's perfect timing for us. Once Switch 2.0 releases we'll pretty much be set. We'll have an all in one machine that doesn't struggle to run high end games (as Valve said, recent trends focusing on high resolution and framerates means games should be able to scale to PS4 level hardware for a long time). But until that day comes, we would have otherwise been left without any viable option to play games hybrid that don't come to Switch. Now we will.

Valve- not the hero we deserved, but the hero we needed.

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JaxonH

Lots of new hands on impressions dropped today.

I like this one in particular

And this one. They also said you won't have to deal with downloading different drivers- because they designed SteamOS for the hardware, you can update all your drivers from a single settings screen in one package.

Fantastic.

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Needeep

Interesting. Got to say my biggest concern is with the 512 version I put my name down for, that screen does look like it dulls the colours more than I was expecting…

EDIT: found this video from Linus Tech Tips. Nice and in-depth look at it. My mind put at rest somewhat as the screens don’t look so massively different in his comparison.

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Needeep

Matt_Barber

I think you'll appreciate the etched screen when you're out and about and attempting to use the thing in daylight. While it might dull the picture a little bit, it'll help it cope far better with reflections and glare than anything else on the handheld games market.

Matt_Barber

JaxonH

@Needeep
I had the same concerns until I saw better comparisons, and it looks fine. It really does diminish the glare also

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In truth, I rarely if ever play handhelds outside. But even indoors, like at work, the lighting can reflect off the screen. I think this will be a nice QoL feature and, the 512GB NVMe storage is simply non-negotiable as far as I'm concerned. I need every GB I can get.

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NS: MH Rise Sunbreak, AC Ezio Collection, Bayonetta 3, Splatoon 3, Triangle Strategy, Kirby Forgotten Land, Mario Rabbids, Zelda BotW 2

Jesus is Lord.

deafdood

I should have reserved earlier, but I was skeptical of it from the beginning. I just reserved it today and it says Q2 2022. It wasn't until today that I realized I could have reserved immediately and just backed out if I didn't like it and lose just $5. Oh well.

Edit: Also I'm excited for my first ever foray into the demanding games on Steam. I only ever have light Steam games, such as Jackbox, because I don't want to buy a PC or gaming laptop because I'm intimidated by the do-it-yourself builds and the price respectively.

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JaxonH

New update concerning Proton and Anti-Cheat! Seems like progress is being made and some games with Easy Anti-Cheat are now running well!

https://www.pcgamer.com/garrys-mods-garry-is-helping-get-anti...

@deafdood
You don't even lose $5. They refund it if you opt not to purchase.

It's literally a zero-risk proposition. No reason not to reserve.

That said, don't feel bad. I got my order in 2.5 hrs after initial reservations opened (that was as fast as I could do it with the system crashing and locking me out of my account) and even I have a Q2 2022 ETA for my 512GB order.

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NS: MH Rise Sunbreak, AC Ezio Collection, Bayonetta 3, Splatoon 3, Triangle Strategy, Kirby Forgotten Land, Mario Rabbids, Zelda BotW 2

Jesus is Lord.

Clammy

As if Nintendo will “only” release an updated switch. That wouldn’t be nintendo, they’re more likely to do something totally different.

JaxonH wrote:

@Magician
At least... for those fortunate enough to get a system. By the time they start shipping out in earnest it'll be 2022, and it could take a year or two for substantial quantities to ship out. I imagine Nintendo will want to time the leap to next gen at the mind point of PS5/XS, as they did with Switch in the middle of PS4/X1. It's worked with great success for them, whereas 3 systems all releasing around the same time has not.

With that in mind, I expect next gen Switch in March 2025 or 2026, which would mark 8-9 years; that's consistent with their desire for this generation to last longer for them.

That potentially gives Steam Deck up to 4 solid years to shine. Unless Nintendo opts to release a Pro model and forego traditional generations, which I doubt but can't entirely write off as impossible. If they were to do such a thing we could see the next leap sooner. Either way though, Deck has a couple good years ahead of it.

And it's perfect timing for us. Once Switch 2.0 releases we'll pretty much be set. We'll have an all in one machine that doesn't struggle to run high end games (as Valve said, recent trends focusing on high resolution and framerates means games should be able to scale to PS4 level hardware for a long time). But until that day comes, we would have otherwise been left without any viable option to play games hybrid that don't come to Switch. Now we will.

Valve- not the hero we deserved, but the hero we needed.

Clammy

JaxonH

A good comparison among handheld gaming devices today. Though strangely, it seems to omit the GPD Win 3

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@Clammy
Disagree.

Nintendo only radically changed forms over the years because nothing was sticking.

Now that they've once and for all abandoned separate console and handheld hardware in favor of a combined hybrid model, there's no going back. Until the end of time or Nintendo decides to stop making video games, the hybrid model is what we will continue to see.

No doubt they'll innovate in other ways- ways we haven't even thought of yet. But the hybrid model is here to stay. Their console business had been in decline since the early 1990's, and even their handheld business had been in decline since the advent of mobile gaming. They knew they had to combine and go hybrid, and now Switch is on track to outsell the PS2 as the best selling console of all time.

They're not gonna throw that away to go back to their declining console business or declining handheld business.

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Balta666

@JaxonH it appears the demand is not as big in europe as I ordered one two weeks later and have a date of Q1 2022

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JaxonH

@Balta666
Probably. But it also depends on which model you ordered.

The 512GB sold out fastest and showed Q2 2022 before any other model. Then after several weeks, they all said Q2 2022, then the 64GB model surpassed all of them and now says “After Q2 2022”.

In fact, I just checked and now they all say “After Q2 2022” (except the 512GB model, which I can’t see an ETA for since it only estimates when my 512GB will arrive).

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MOST EXCITED FOR 2022
NS: MH Rise Sunbreak, AC Ezio Collection, Bayonetta 3, Splatoon 3, Triangle Strategy, Kirby Forgotten Land, Mario Rabbids, Zelda BotW 2

Jesus is Lord.

JaxonH

@Balta666
Huh. I guess they do have different allotments by region then.

At this rate, Australia and the other regions not included with the initial launch will never get their hands on one of these things.

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Snaplocket

Anybody who seriously thinks the Steam Deck will significantly hurt Nintendo Switch sales in any way isn't thinking straight. The Nintendo Switch is STILL selling like hotcakes, is cheaper and has a massive (still growing) library, it won't stop selling any time soon.

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JaxonH

@Snaplocket
???

Who said anything about "hurting Nintendo Switch sales"?

Unless there's somebody here I've blocked and can't read their comments.

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Snaplocket

@JaxonH Not here necessarily but I've seen a lot of comments for Nintendolife's posts on the Steam Deck saying something similar. One even suggested using illegal emulators for Switch games even though they run notoriously poorly.

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JaxonH

@Snaplocket
Ok...

I've also seen a ton of comments dismissing the Deck with all kinds of silly excuses like, "nobody cares about handheld" or "just buy a laptop".

At the end of the day it's just children being insecure console warriors, either using Deck as a weapon to club Switch fans with, or using Switch success as a weapon to club Deck fans with.

I don't see what it matters either way. What's it to you or me if it does or doesn't affect Switch sales? It feels like an utterly pointless line of debate.

All that matters is Deck is amazing and I hope it succeeds as much as possible. Do I think it's going to affect Switch? No, probably not. At most it takes away some 3rd party game sales as enthusiast PC gamers move toward the Deck to play their heavy 3rd party games. But either way I don't see how any of that is relevant to us, the gamer.

For the record it'll likely run Switch games great. And to those who wish to pursue that, you do you. The problem for me isn't performance as I'm quite sure Switch games will run fine on Deck, the issue is its a major pain in the butt to obtain Switch roms nowadays, get everything set up properly with shader caches and game specific settings. Screw all that. It was hard enough dealing with 3DS emulation when I could just dump my own roms from my purchased carts. I have no way of doing that for Switch games, as I've opted not to mod Switch due to the overwhelming hassle and need to use a v1 Switch and re-run the hack after each reboot. The number of ppl who will actually buy a Deck and pursue that will be negligible. 10,000 maybe. A drop in the bucket. Plus most Switch games look fine and run well enough, barring a few exceptions. And are pocketable with good battery life.

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TheFrenchiestFry

Lmao I'm not surprised at all the general reception on NintendoLife is "psssh Steam Deck is trash Switch is da best"

Like it was obviously never trying to gun for Switch-level success or numbers but dismissing it just because it's not Nintendo or it's some other major company providing something similar in nature is stupid. This looks promising and if it does well it could very well provide the Switch brand with some solid competition Nintendo hasn't really seen since Sony entered the handheld market

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JaxonH

@TheFrenchiestFry
Unfortunately I don't think it'll do the numbers to actually provide viable competition. But it could help Nintendo take note of the interest in pushing the limits of hardware capabilities (though it seems they're already pursing PS4 level power for Switch 2 going by Nvidia leaker kopite's information).

But the console warring on Twitter has bugged me. And don't get me wrong, it's from both sides. There's a lot of Nintendo haters out there (nothing makes this more evident than reading Gamespot's latest tweet for Nintendo outselling PS3/360- the comment section is outrageous with salt).

But I'm also uphalled at how defensive some Nintendo fans have gotten over SteamDeck. I had a small YouTuber make a post talking about how, "it's too big and heavy for me, if I play PC I do it because I want 100 FPS, yada yada"

To which I replied, just because it's PC doesn't mean you have to artificially constrain your use case. Desktop PC are great for pushing performance, but this clearly isn't a replacement for that any more than Switch is a replacement for power consoles. It's an alternate use case for those who want to play handheld.

His response? Get this. "Nobody cares about handheld"

Wait, what?? Huh? 4.5 years of boasting about the hybrid advantage and now, all of sudden when Valve does it, suddenly nobody cares? I pointed to the poll Nintendo ran where 80% use Switch in handheld mode. His response? A biased convenience sample poll to his die hard Nintendo fan followers asking why they bought Switch, only allowing one answer. Of course most mega fans are gonna say for Nintendo games. But that's not representative of 100 million ppl. And it's not the only aspect ppl buy the system for either.

Hundreds of millions of handhelds sold over the last 35 years. I guess none of them were to ppl who actually like portable gaming. No. They just bought it for the games and suffered through the handheld format. Because nobody likes handhelds.

It's absurd. This system has really gotten under the skin of some Switch fans. I see more talk of sales vs Switch from Switch fans saying it won't happen than I actually do from ppl thinking it will. Straight up.

I think it's just human nature to latch onto what you love, and anything that might be perceived as better in some way is seen as a threat, and thus treated with animosity and resentment.

I am of the mind you don't have to choose one over the other. You can love Steam Deck while also continuing to love Switch. It doesn't have to be "pick a side". My fascination with Steam Deck in no way delegitimizes my love for Switch. They're both rad consoles and both bring something amazing to the table.

I'm not looking to "replace" my Switch. Deck can't do that. It's not small enough, lightweight enough or pocketable like the Lite is. But it can offer a hybrid experience for games too heavy for Switch to handle, and that is what makes it the perfect complement to Switch. Perfect complement. But fanboys suck the fun out of everything. It's gotta be Switch vs Deck, my console will outsell yours! No, my console will make yours irrelevant! Ugh.

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TheFrenchiestFry

@JaxonH That's mostly what I could ask for. I'm not expecting this thing to blow up because it being targeted specifically towards the Steam userbase already puts its audience at a bit of a more specific niche compared to Switch's broader and more generalized target demographic, but if it actually takes off for what it is I sincerely hope Nintendo takes notice because this seems like it's shaping up to be like the Switch with no caveats essentially

I'm personally not getting it myself since I don't feel compelled to own yet another console in addition to my Switch, PS5 and my perfectly functional gaming/uni work laptop, but I hope it experiences more success than all of Steam's previous hardware offerings. It's practically the kind of handheld I could only dream of back when I was looking at mockups for next gen consoles in like 2008/2009 with how it'll basically be able to play a crap ton of legacy games through emulation, the entire library of Steam games, as well as all Xbox exclusives and select PlayStation stuff. It's super tempting

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