Topic: Zelda's Wii U-Turn to NX

@webhead

Need to remove point 1 drom the Against column. The only evidence weve received either way is that its only ever mentioned in comparison tp the Wii U. While that isnt a smoking gun, it is surely enough to lean it in the favor of being a home console.

Literally the only reason to assume it cant be a home console is people have this 5 year cycle in their head. Like theres no way it can be a 4 year cycle no matter how much it bombs or something, haha.

"Were getting killed out there! The console is bombing!"

"It doesnt matter! We need to hit this arbritrary 5 year mark!"

Yeah, smart business. Ignore the market that they're dominating entirely and instead pour money into the one they're "bombing" in. I suppose in the early 2000s you would have argued that releasing the DS first and not the Wii was a bad idea yeah? And although the timing doesn't line up the same logic would say that Sony should push portables harder and ignore home consoles given that they're doing fine with the PS4.

There's no guarantee that a new piece of hardware will magically do better. Odds are it will given that the Wii U has performed bellow par but there's no guarantee. The only reason the 5 year cycle has traditionally mattered is because of how far tech moves in that period of time. After 5 years it's easy to outperform legacy hardware at a reasonable cost. Something that in 2015 is FAR more true for portable systems given advances in mobile hardware and diminishing returns at the high end.

@skywake @octane

Okay boys, talk away this one. "He was asked about home consoles!" what is it? You don't think they have a tech kit already? This coffin was nailed shut months ago and you keep fighting it. It's almost cute.

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/12/koei_tecmos_presiden...

You KEEP what's doing well, and REPLACE what isn't. How difficult is that? Somehow you've thrown in this "ignoring" word in there. You -> " the same logic would say that Sony should push portables harder and ignore home consoles given that they're doing fine with the PS4." Um, no, the same logic would say that Sony should continue with it's PS4 since it's doing well. Just like Nintendo should continue with the 3DS since it's doing well (if it's one or the other). You completely had that entire understanding backwards.

Plus, read the post above this one, there's already another nail in that little coffin of yours!

@LetsGoRetro:

It's a joke really. I don't even understand why that got its own article on the front page.. (well, I do, it's a clickbait article after all..)

Here's the quote from Siliconere for reference:

Here's the thing. The entire arguments rests on the idea that Erikawa was asked about home consoles. Now, there's one word edited by Siliconera in the original question. Want to guess what word was edited? ''home''. Unless we have access to the unedited source material, there's no way we can draw conclusions based on altered question in an interview. We can concluse it's a ''machine'', nothing more.

Source: http://www.siliconera.com/2015/12/29/nintendo-nx-is-apparentl...

Thanks for saving me fifteen minutes trying to type out that explanation.

@octane @shaneoh

Hahaha, you guys are in such denial it's funny at this point. Every single article that comes out where people in the industry are talking as if NX is a home console is always "only because home consoles were being talked about at the time"

Yeah, because people who have development kits don't know whether it's a home console or not, right?

The reference you posted only proves the point. The state of home consoles is brought up, and the guy that almost certainly has a dev kit for NX in response brings up NX. So, your logic is that the guy knows it's not a home console, but since home consoles are the current topic, he'll just go ahead and pretend NX is one.

In some of the other "references" you posted, the person was indeed just responding to someone else talking as if NX was a home console. In this one, when home consoles are the topic, he goes right to talking about PS4 and NX. Why do you think that is?

I swear, there is almost no explanation for this. You guys must just LOVE portable gaming and are praying NX is portable for that reason or something. It's comical how you refuse to look at the evidence right in your face.

It doesn't matter that home consoles was edited, because he clearly says PS4 and then NX. You're going to say "He's just talking about gaming in general and 'home' was edited in, so we don't know that he was only talking home gaming'

YES WE DO, because every single person that talks about the NX either thinks it is a home console, assumes it is one, or subconsciously groups it in with home consoles. It's NEVER, EVER mentioned with, assumed to be, or said to be, in the portable realm. It's never in the conversation. Why do you think that is?

FFS, why is a modicum of analytical and reading ability so hard to come by? I'm just going to be facetious and say that I'm having potato and pork for dinner, ergo pork is a vegetable because it was mentioned in the same sentence as potato.

@shaneoh: Even though I know pork is a meat, I'm just going to pretend it might be a vegetable since that is the current topic of discussion

I'm going to assume you are talking of yourself and @Octane in this scenario, of course.

When Nintendo reveals this as a home console, shaneoh, octane, and skywake BETTER not disappear! I honestly just cannot wait.

I get it, you have this theory and anyone who says any different must be 100% wrong. That's your bit. Because of that there's nothing I can say that you won't take issue with.

But it really is pretty simple. The 3DS will get a successor at some point just as I'm sure the Wii U will. Just because the 3DS has performed better does not mean that it's somehow "immune" from being replaced. If anything the fact that their portable line has done well means that Nintendo are going to want to put more energy into portables not less. It's part of the reason why there is a 3DS, 3DS XL, 2DS, New 3DS and New 3DS XL but only one Wii U.

Also the example of Sony's reversed position is a valid one. Sony has done well this generation with the PS4 but failed with the Vita. When the PS4 starts to look a bit tired I think it's fairly safe to assume that they're going to push out a PS5. But the Vita? Their failed platform? Because it was such a disaster they're abandoning portables entirely. Even if they weren't abandoning it it would have been stupid to rush a new portable to market

Not that I think Nintendo is going to abandon the home console space. The NX could be a home console and even if its not whatever comes after it probably is. I'm just making the point that sales don't impact the plans in the way you're suggesting. Generally the bigger question is whether or not new hardware will improve things. Sales only really impact the timing and in extreme situations whether or not they go to market at all.

I never said that they couldn't. I've only ever said you were foolish to think you know for sure. I'm more than happy to say that it is definitely a home console if and when there is actual evidence.

We're saying that it MIGHT (that's the important word) be a handheld, we're not saying that it isn't a console. If it is a home console, then it doesn't invalidate anything we've said before it was announced.

And how do you know pork is meat?

I hope they release it as a NX exclusive. Imagine how much better it would be.

@LetsGoRetro: tbh people only think like that that because they react negatively to it. They don't think it is because they simply don't want it to be. Denial.

Not saying it won't be portable, but every time this thing is talked about its in the context of Wii U/home console. It may not even release next year, though it probably will.

@LetsGoRetro: Home consoles weren't the topic, that was my entire point. We don't know what the exact question from the unedited source material is, but ''home console'' was definitely not part of the original question. It's hard to argue that the question was about home consoles, when the only mention of home console was edited in after the interview was conducted. Even Erikawa refered to the NX as a ''machine'' and not a home console.

Why did he specifically mention those two? Well, he was asked about the state of gaming on dedicated gaming consoles, they talked about the history of console gaming, how that evolved from arcade gaming and what the future would be for console gaming, now that mobile is also a big part of gaming. Erikawa mentioned how the PS4 is still doing great, it is after all the best selling console at this moment (yes, it's selling better than the 3DS). The NX, well, that's just proof that console gaming is at least going to be here for another generation and probably longer.

shaneoh and skyware already said it, but I will say it again. Nobody is saying that the NX isn't a home console, but until there is actual proof, I don't see any reason why I cannot be a handheld console. Both (Wii U and 3DS) are probably going to be replaced in the coming years. I would be glad if we're getting another home console, because I do feel the Wii U is severely lacking on several fronts. However, I also realise that those issues aren't going to be magically solved over night.

@skywake: "I get it, you have this theory and anyone who says any different must be 100% wrong." - Skywake

Right... because you've never done that before, eh, Skywake? Or any of us? We're all guilty of doing it, so don't make this needlessly personal, and @skywake, @shaneoh, @Octane... stop acting holier/smarter than thou. It's a bit sickening, really. The guy is just giving his perspective. You are the ones who are reading too deeply into his words and taking some sort of imagined offense.

We're all here because we enjoy Nintendo. Why would I bother coming to this site otherwise unless I was just some mean-spirited, bored person? Sounds pretty terrible lol So just relax and know that we're all giving opinions coming from a place of hope for the company. Whether it turns out to be a home console, a mobile console, or both. Just don't make things so personal and disgusting to read.

@rallydefault

I've yet to find the part where I pretend to be smarter than someone else. LetsGoRetro tags me whenever there's a new NX article. He's challenging us to talk down the articles he posts, I just reply and give my take on it. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think this discussion has become sickening or disgusting, nor am I offended by anything he says.

I've said it in my post before yours, I don't care what the NX is, but as of now, nothing is confirmed yet. I look forward to the NX regardless of what it turns out to be.

People are putting a lot of trust into a machine that they've yet gotten any actual details on aside from speculation.
That is not a good thing by the way, especially if what Nintendo is planning to put out doesn't match the self-created expectations based off rumors and nothing more.

We were acting?

@Octane: Good to hear.

@shaneoh: By my estimation - heck yep.

Anyway, now that we're into the new year, here's to hoping we hear some concrete stuff in the coming weeks!