This is already answered, but sure I'll do it again. How likely is this scenario:
"So, guys, we finally started turning a profit. The vast majority of it is due to the 3ds, but we don't really care where the profits come from. As long as we're making SOME profit, we're not going to try for more!"
You see things very differently from me because the 3DS made more profit and was more successful then the Wii U. I can see them wanting to focus more time and money on their handheld consoles continuing its success. The 'new' 3DS is just the definitive 3ds this is something nintendo has always do for there handheld
I personally think the 3ds blurs the line between handheld/home console and want to know where Nintendo take there handheld range and see how much they can improve it.
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@Operative: if anyone wants to talk to me about it I'll say it a again, and again and again until its confirmed otherwise. It's reeeeeeeealllly stretching it to use that as an example for Zelda U considering the differences in hardware, scope of the game, Nintendo's situation and the videogame industry as a whole as compared to 2006. In my opinion. Of course, and I fully recognise and accept that you're entitled to your own. But when I see something that reeks of stretching logic to suit people's agenda I'll call them out on it, particularly when they post it all the time. Every Zelda U forum and discussion can't be had here without it being not just mentioned, but used as if it makes everything else irrelevant. It bugs me so I'll occasionally go the sarcastic route because that's the way I roll on occasion.
If that annoys people then fine, your 'logic' annoys me, we're even. But I'm not a troll, I'm not intentionally hateful or insulting. If I ever I am I would be the first to apologise but that's not happened. Yet. Hopefully it won't ever happen as I consider myself above the 'fanboy, Nintendoomed and Nintentard' hate brigade. I'll take your opinion of me onboard, no sarcasm for a while if it's starting to become obvious, I'll freshen things up a bit.
Edit: I accept your apology by the way, but I'd also appreciate it if you toned down your previous comments or even delete them, they're kinda flamey (not sure if that's how it's spelt or even a word lol) particularly because it's directed specifically at me. Did my sarcasm really oblige you to call me a child and belittle the insults I received? I don't think it's very nice so if you'll get rid of them that'd be greet
Well, I guess I missed the part where feelings were hurt. Don't believe I was even involved. But it seems my name is being invoked, so I just want to chime in.
You sure are trying to associate yourself with the moral high ground, sir, but really all's fair in love and war. Your opinion, as you stated, is really just your opinion. This "stretching" you speak of is, shockingly, just your opinion.
So, succinctly, I just hope you live up to your self-professed maturity and acknowledge all things, not just what benefits you.
Once again, and for all/old time's sake, my opinion is that Zelda U is coming to Wii U and NX. Many people agree. Many disagree. We'll just have to wait and see. Also, @Operative doesn't need to get rid of/revise a thing. What's done is done. It may not be "nice," but it's part of history. Leave it and learn from it.
@rallydefault: 'leave it and learn from it' well if that's the standards this site has, then I really have absolutely nothing to answer for in the first place then do I? Considering all I typed was a satirical comment that I honestly did not intend to offend anyone with, (though I can't prove that I suppose) because it's just videogames and such comments should not be viewed as such. Name calling directly to people is a horse of a different colour the way I view the world but am I wrong there as well? Or is that just my opinion? Because as you pointed out I did not name drop anyone, because I am of course above that sort of thing.
Perhaps I am naïve for expecting that comment to go down well in these parts? I certainly didn't expect it to come to this. I have of course already pointed out the obvious that everyone is entitled to their opinion, I certainly don't need another reminder of that.
But to try to change the subject as I don't want people to miss the point any further than already has been I will ask you a question (or anyone else who shares your opinion) as to what my original comment inferred (or at least tried to). Do you honestly believe it to be as simple as "Nintendo dual released a Zelda game 10 years ago on two systems ergo it will happen again"? Because I really do not see it like that at all.
@TheLastLugia: I think you're missing the rationale behind this theory. From what I can tell it goes something like this:
1. The NX is a home console because portables are not as fun to speculate about
2. Zelda U is a launch title because I can't think of any other major release coming out soon
3. It's coming out in 2016 because it has to in order for Zelda to make sense on it
I've been a part of the online Nintendo community since the days of the N64 and I've never seen fans in denial over Nintendo doing what they always do, release a new console. This is the most bizarre community response to a new product I've witnessed (it's like Stockholm syndrome). Nobody is coming to take your WiiU away next Christmas. It can continue to collect dust all through 2017, 2018 and beyond.
If you don't think Zelda is coming to NX then you havn't been around to know Nintendo's history. Zelda 3, Star Fox 2, Eternal Darkness, Dinosaur Planet, and Twilight Princess say hello. It's unfortunate Nintendo didn't launch a new console (not named WiiU) with Skyward Sword in 2011.
@BlueSkies: What's interesting is that you've been a fan for that long and yet forget the times when the "conventional wisdom" was way off the mark. You forget that every time there have been rumours of new hardware it's ALWAYS a new home console releasing next year. You forget that "the next Zelda" was supposedly launching alongside the Wii HD in 2010... then 2011... oops
I was just browsing through IGN's old podcasts looking at the headings. What's interesting is that they were talking about the "Wii HD" way back in 2009. All based on a rumour that Nintendo was going to release new hardware in 2011. Interestingly a few episodes later they're talking about the 3DS for the first time. What made them talk about the 3DS all of a sudden? Well Nintendo officially announced that they were releasing a new portable console called the 3DS. Only then did they start talking about portables.
If you think its a certainty that Zelda is coming to the NX in 2016 you haven't learnt anything from history. The far more numerous times fan predictions have been wrong say hello.
@BlueSkies Wait, Starfox 2? Are you implying that it became Starfox 64? Because it didn't. It was cancelled. Yes, Starfox 64 borrowed some ideas from Starfox 2 (ie Star Wolf), but it is not the exact same thing. Also, what @skywake said. Fan predictions have been more wrong than right.
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Nobody is coming to take your WiiU away next Christmas. It can continue to collect dust all through 2017, 2018 and beyond.
Believe it or not, many of us enjoy the Wii U and think it has a plethora of enjoyable games, without being blinded by sheer fanboyism. As for denial, well I think that being 100% adamant about the NX being a home console, with no official confirmation, shows more denial than those of us who think that the NX is most likely a handheld.
Effectively this is a dispute about whether we're looking at something like this:
2003 - DS announced
2003 - New Zelda for Gamecube announced
2004 - New Zelda for Gamecube scheduled for 2005 launch
2004 - DS released
2005 - New Zelda shown to be Twilight Princess, delayed until 2006
2005 - Wii was first shown
2006 - Full unveil for the Wii, Twilight Princess confirmed to be a Wii launch title
2006 - Twilight Princess launch on Wii/GC
OR if it's more like this:
2009 - First rumours about a new Nintendo console releasing in 2011, assumed to be the "Wii HD"
2009 - First teaser of the next Zelda game
2010 - Zelda game said to be released in 2010
2010 - First trailer for Skyward Sword, game delayed until 2011
2010 - Confirmation that Nintendo's next console was the 3DS
2011 - 3DS launches
2011 - Wii U announcement
2011 - Skyward Sword launch on Wii
2012 - Wii U launch
@skywake: yeah I agree with you dude, evidence and history points to Zelda U being a Wii U game only. I understand and accept the rationale behind the more logical arguments for Zelda U being an NX game, I was just teasing the not-so logical people originally.
@TheLastLugia: Honestly don't know what you're ranting about in terms of the "site's policies" or whathaveyou: bottom line, it's not a babysitting service. If your feeling got hurt because somebody wasn't "nice," then your feelings got hurt. It happens in life. Move on.
As for your question: "Do you honestly believe it to be as simple as 'Nintendo dual released a Zelda game 10 years ago on two systems ergo it will happen again?'" First off, I love your charged diction of "simple," as you continue to load your sentences with subtle inferences that, once again, any opinion opposed to yours is too "simple" and therefore incorrect.
Quite mature.
So, to answer that, no, my opinion is not that "simple." My opinion hinges nothing on the fact that Nintendo did this before. It hinges, as I've said, on the specific, careful diction Nintendo is using every time they talk about the game. To ME, it smacks of language they use when speaking of other dual releases, namely Smash Brothers on Wii U and Smash Brothers on 3DS.
Also, at a time when Nintendo profits have seen a bit of a downturn (not immediately, mind you - they are up for the moment, as we know), it would be a great financial move to launch their next platform with a heavy-hitting game like Zelda open world, assuming they learned from the Wii U and that NSMBU was not enough to generate loads of interest.
There's my answer. Now, like many of us, I have a life to get on with. I may or may not see your reply, but I ask you and yours to show a bit of respect to the people who may disagree with you. Stop talking down to people who don't agree and stop acting generally like you are the moral be-all, end-all. Thanks.
@rallydefault: you cite several different examples to underline your point, you understand what you're talking about and you understand that the situation surrounding the game is not as simple as others would like it to be. Therefore I respect your opinion, and going back to what I said before, my sarcasm was not directed at you or anyone else specifically, I've seen your posts several times and I know that you're up-to-date on the situation. That is the unfortunate part of this, that people like you have wrongly assumed I was referring to you and it wasn't helped when someone else here dragged you into this.
Rules are rules and they apply to me as much as anyone else. You say that it's not a babysitting service (whatever that means) and ask that I move on from the not-nice behavoir that I received. Then you ask that I be respectful (which I think I have been doing bar my initial sarcasm) whilst still taking the names thrown my way without defending myself? So I have to sit here and take it, move on and continue to be respectful to everyone? I can certainly do the latter, but when the arguement is turned directly one me I will fight me corner, regardless of your stance on the matter.
I have to say the people I'm disappointed in most are the people controlling the forums. Can't they like interject here and bring this whole thing to a halt? I apologise for what my sarcasm caused, not knowing and not intending for this to be the cause at the time, but I'm sick of being treated like my stance is meaningless and that I was immature for anything that was done. We're all here talking about a Zelda game, can we quit it with that already at least? "Quite mature, I thought you were a kid, I hope you live up to your self-proffessed maturity". Three times maturity was injected all because of me just trying to have a laugh
Reeks of double-standards to me, I've got to be on my best behavoir at all times, can't even have a bit of light heated sarcastic humour without being disrespectful and then when the claims of immaturity and disrespect come flying my way I've got to sit here and take it and move on? Thankfully you don't set the rules or enforce them here which is why I would like to hear from someone who does on the matter.
My opinion hinges nothing on the fact that Nintendo did this before. It hinges, as I've said, on the specific, careful diction Nintendo is using every time they talk about the game. To ME, it smacks of language they use when speaking of other dual releases, namely Smash Brothers on Wii U and Smash Brothers on 3DS.
To my mind this is the weakest argument on the topic I've heard thus far. May I ask what language would they have to use in order to convince you otherwise? Do they need to have big red letters flashing across the screen saying "Wii U only! Not NX!" for you to be convinced? And I wonder if they did do that whether or not you'd then argue that they're being a bit too forwards about it and come to the same conclusion.
Every time they've shown this game they've said it's coming to the Wii U without hesitation. One of the times they showed if of it was even running on a Wii U. The only change is that now it's 2016 rather than 2015. If this was any other game presented in the same way you would assume that it was a Wii U exclusive title. The only reason you think it's also on NX is because it's Zelda. Its as simple as that.
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@skywake: that's the one part I would've highlighted as the weakest part as well, for the reasons you pointed out. Although for some (for legal reasons I am obliged to highlight here that I am not referring specifically to any users at Nintendo Life, any Zelda/games forum or the Internet in general) I bet even if Nintendo put on an entire full length feature film tonight at the awards show about the difficulties in making a Zelda game in the modern era and how it's specifically a Wii U exclusive that still wouldn't be enough, never mind flashing red lights. They could do a musical even with soon-to-be hits like, "Zelda U on Wii U just 4 U", "Do you believe us now?(4th reprise Zelda U edition)" or for a shot at Christmas no1 "All I want for next Christmas is Zelda U" and that STILL wouldn't be enough.
How'd I do on that last one took me a while to think of a suitable song title with a pun but I think I hit the nail on the head there
We’re in for a fun ride. If you ask my bias, I’d lean towards an architecture / platform thing. The form factor will not matter. We’ll end up with portable pieces of nx hardware as well as tv bound pieces. It is also the reason I focus on the home console part of the argument - it’s the less likely, more revolutionary part of the scenario.
NX as a handheld makes a lot of sense, though. Remember, it was mentioned in contrast to mobile phone development - associated with, primarily, handheld gaming. But let’s not forget that the wii U could also be here for a longer while than I give it credit for. I’m wrong all the time. You should try it. It’s fun.
There are reasons for that line of thought, too. If zelda hits, something else hits and there’s a handful of indies floating the boat, wii U could be the slow mover for another year. That would make it 2017 for the latest nintendo console to be released. Also, zelda would be just the wii U game it is. Meanwhile, we’d already be nx-ing on a handheld. Releasing in the home console space early and wrong will hurt nintendo more than releasing late and right, and they know it.
@LetsGoRetro: I'm not really obsessed with 2 Gamepads, that's more of a side gig, I'm obsessed with dates. And making dates. Neither of which Nintendo is very good at. Nor really anybody this gen. It's hard to find a notable game that hasn't been delayed, or been advertised for a very long time but still doens't have a date, or finally has a date but is still a long way off - that may just be No Man's Sky. The 2 Gamepads thing is more of a hobby.
You might be obsessed with me though, I have 3 emails in my in-box in a row all with your name on them, 11:08, 11:32, 11:33.
Lol huh? I've only mentioned you a few times ever, I'm pretty sure. Anyways, I actually enjoy reading your posts. You seem to have a knack for coming up with solid arguments that most on this website don't agree with, such as myself (insert "no LetsGoRetro your arguments are stupid" comments here) so if anything, it's a little bit of a compliment Maybe I mention you more than I thought I did, haha.
What does everyone think of this? Because it say to me that the NX isn't continuing on with the Wii line and will be something totally different. Again, I wonder why the thought came up to compare NX to home consoles and not portables, as I've mentioned they've done before but haven't been able to provide a link of them doing. Here seems to be an example to me. Thoughts?
PS- There've been 2 pages since I last checked in that I haven't looked at yet, so hopefully nobody already brought this up.
We’re in for a fun ride. If you ask my bias, I’d lean towards an architecture / platform thing. The form factor will not matter. We’ll end up with portable pieces of nx hardware as well as tv bound pieces. It is also the reason I focus on the home console part of the argument - it’s the less likely, more revolutionary part of the scenario.
NX as a handheld makes a lot of sense, though. Remember, it was mentioned in contrast to mobile phone development - associated with, primarily, handheld gaming. But let’s not forget that the wii U could also be here for a longer while than I give it credit for. I’m wrong all the time. You should try it. It’s fun.
There are reasons for that line of thought, too. If zelda hits, something else hits and there’s a handful of indies floating the boat, wii U could be the slow mover for another year. That would make it 2017 for the latest nintendo console to be released. Also, zelda would be just the wii U game it is. Meanwhile, we’d already be nx-ing on a handheld. Releasing in the home console space early and wrong will hurt nintendo more than releasing late and right, and they know it.
It being mentioned with mobile phone development was solely to assure people they are not leaving their core business behind, though. That alone doesn't make handheld or home console any more likely than the other, as both qualify under their core business model.
Wow, and everyone has been saying that I am the one that likes to twist words to fit what I want them to say. Nobody here ever said "It's obviously happening because Twilight Princess did it". They simply said that they believe it's happening the way that TP happened. And here you are being rude, insulting and sarcastic over nearly 3 pages all based off of this fake argument you just made up.
@Operative is 100 percent right and put you in your place !
@LetsGoRetro: Does anyone have Link's number on them? Anyone? No? Shame, just wish I could borrow his Ocarina so I could play the Song of Time and stop myself typing that damn comment. Jesus Christ, 3 people now have taken umbridge at it like I specifically tagged and quoted them, targeting them with an intentionally insulting comment. It's still there, it's an undeniably sarcastic comment that was intended to make light of the situation and pull the leg of a few people I thought were being silly by not being logical about the situation.
Yours is the comment I take least kindly to I'm afraid. Rude? Insulting? I've already apologised for what I've done (though for the millionth time I didn't intend for it to come to this) not long after it too and long before you've interjected yourself into this. Looking through my comments, I typed one thing, one, that could be seen as intentionally rude and insulting, and that was just responding to the Opertive guy with the child claim AFTER he calls me it.
I'm seriously sick to death of this now, where the hell are the mods/admins? Again what are the standards of this site? I'm here tying to defend myself that I'm allowed to have a laugh in the way I did, and after 3 times of being told off by people who shouldn't be doing so I've had enough. If I've done something truly wrong I want to hear it from one of them, because it's ridiculous being ganged up like this.
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