NX is expected to launch next year, but we still know very little about the new console - although rumours are circulating that it will combine Nintendo's domestic and portable hardware interests.
In an interview with Time, Nintendo President Tatsumi Kimishima stopped short of giving away any solid details about the platform, but did admit that it won't be a continuation of previous hardware ideas and will instead be something totally unique.
Describing the platform as the core focus of Nintendo's business, Kimishima said:
We talked about the transition from Wii hardware to the Wii U hardware and how difficult it is to explain to the consumer base what is different and new about the new hardware. It's difficult to convince them to switch from their current platform to the next platform. That being said, I can assure you we're not building the next version of Wii or Wii U. It's something unique and different. It's something where we have to move away from those platforms in order to make it something that will appeal to our consumer base.
He added that the moniker NX is little more than a codename:
As for the codename NX, I don't believe that there's any real meaning behind it, and to be perfectly honest, I don't know where it came from. Or perhaps Mr. Iwata had meant to tell me and then never got the chance.
Regarding Nintendo's current system, the president was recently quoted as saying that he said the Wii U was a failure, but he says he was misreported:
The Nikkei reporter's question to me was 'The Wii U is not selling at this point in its lifetime as well as the Wii was at the same time. Why is that?' And my answer was that the Wii at this point has sold over 100 million units worldwide, and even through there are people saying 'Hey, since the Wii was so successful, Wii U is also going to be successful and it's also going to sell like wildfire as well,' I looked at that global install base and said that it might not sell as well. That was my response. Not that it wouldn't sell, but that it would be more difficult because of the install base of the Wii itself.
The point that I was trying to get across was that Wii has sold so much and is being played by so many people, it's not going to be easy to make them leave that and come to the next system. That was my only point, that it was a difficult task for us to bring those consumers from Wii to Wii U. But unfortunately it doesn't look like my message got across clearly.
He also addressed the Wii U's future more directly, and stated that the company does not plan to simply abandon the people who have supported the machine so far:
As you know within the game business momentum is key. When you have momentum, whether it's a platform or software, sales increase. At this point in the Wii U lifespan, we're looking at 10 million sell-through for the hardware itself, which is just about a tenth of what we sold overall for Wii.
What I want to do, I think our first job right now is to make sure that the customers, those 10 million customers who have a Wii U at home have software to play. And we need to make sure that they are satisfied with their purchase and continue to enjoy playing on this platform. So we can't just abandon them and say 'Hey, it's time to move on to the next thing.' Of course we are working on NX and looking at the experiences we can bring to that platform. But first our job at this point is to support the consumers who have purchase Wii U and make sure that they have software experiences available to them.
We'll no doubt hear more about NX - or whatever official name it will have - in 2016.
[source time.com]
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So i guess there's more games coming for wii u than we know about right now?
This confirms that NX will not be backward compatible. I think it's obvious. It will be too hard to integrate all the motion control stuff (ship another IR sensor? not likely) and the GamePad is a very sophisticated piece of tech - what allows for lag-free interaction with the console - I don't think they would invest in that. Well I am for one looking forward to the next revolution....
I like the new president. However, I disagree with this: "It's difficult to convince them to switch from their current platform to the next platform". It depends on the current platform. If it has a generous game library and capabilities like PS3, good. If it is focused on something peculiar like motion controls and casual games like the Wii, bad.
I personally don't think it's been a failure, given the lack of third party support and advertising then ten million in this day and age is not bad, the game cube was similar but had much more third party support and over let's say a five year lifespan sold what 20 million, the wii u is three years old and is still right up there in my opinion and is proving that Nintendo is probably the best if not the best software developer out there with tight colaborations with Namco and the like, well done Nintendo that's what I say.
Calling it: the Nintendo NX is potato salad. The 'industry leading chips' we heard about were Ruffles.
So if the NX is a home console, I'm guessing it won't have backwards compatibility? Much less previous controllers support? I just hope it supports the GamePad in one way or another.
I still stand behind my reasoning (albeit some silly accusation) and think the NX (home console) will be released in 2017 after it is revealed at E3.
Interesting although no idea what it means! 2016 will certainly be last year for real Wii u support though
Ha, I knew it! I always said "NX" is only a codename. This means the console (and the final name) will be officially announced somewhere in 2016 (maybe at E3 or GDC?) and released in 2017. Now I'm even more sure of that than before.
@VeeFlamesNL: Exactly!
I'm hoping that it will at least allow for gamepad support.
@shani: LOL... of course the NX was just a codename. More the reason why I say those who think the NX will be released next year are pretty much coming to very pre-mature conclusions.
I do wonder what's going behind Nintendo's doors... on one hand I'm very excited to finally see what it is (handheld or console); on the other hand I just hope Nintendo can pull this off (especially if the NX is a console). I also hope we have more Wii U games to play as I've really enjoyed that system. But I want a little bit more XD
@Ryu_Niiyama Yes please.
Continued support for Wii U gamers as the top priority? That's what I was waiting to hear.
Can't wait for more wiiu games!!😃
That's probably the best news I could have learned about the NX. I'm sold.
And that bit about more Wii U support? Fantastic. I don't want to buy a new console just yet. I want to play Zelda U on Wii U, and I would be happy with just one more must-have original game.
Plus, since I have Wii games and no Wii console, backwards compatibility has no use to me, since I can't sell my Wii U without being unable to play Wii games (unless the NX is backwards compatible with both the Wii and Wii U, which is really unlikely).
@dumedum It may still be backwards compatible. He's just saying what should have said about the Wii U. This hopefully proves that it won't simply be called the Wii 2, Wii T or something else that will cause most to brush it off as some Wii add-on.
4DS confirmed!!
I actually like those answers, honesty is so refreshing.
It does worry me a little bit about what else Iwata forgot to tell him before he passed away, but this is the best I've felt about the new President so far.
@Damo - at the risk annoying you further - "and will instead be something title unique." Was "title" meant to be "totally"? Every time I try correcting anything on NL it usually turns out to be a Britishism though.
It seems Nintendo still don't get it. The name "Wii U" was a major reason why it went wrong. It's like if EA Sports would name the next Fifa game: "Fifa 16 Unlimited" instead of "Fifa 17".
The man responsible for naming the Wii U should have been fired. But how can you fix a problem you won't even acknowledge?
The name matters.
Guess he's now learned one of the rules of social media which is twisting words and over analyzing what people say.
Speaking of which I have the craziest though that the NX is something like a Nervegear with that paragraph about unique and different (overthinking it).
Nice, I'm all for a 3DS succesor.
I hope Kimishima-san comes out of his shell a bit at E3 in 2016. My hope is he shows us NX. Cool interview. And something tells me, Nintendo might still release games for Wii U, even when NX is released and, for a bit, then after.
@Aneira
What the...did you read the interview? Clearly they do get it, hence he said they are moving away from Wii branding and architecture.
And here I was, getting giddy over a hybrid handheld with both versions of Super Smash Bros. 4 on it.
Just give us free games, literally that's their best way to say thank you for buying a wiiu. Just give us like 10 virtual console games for free again.
@Aneira
Isn't that what he was referencing?
"We talked about the transition from Wii hardware to the Wii U hardware and how difficult it is to explain to the consumer base what is different and new about the new hardware."
It sounds like they did learn the lesson in that NX will be something entirely different, at least based on what he said. To which I say, it better, lol.
In regards to the Wii U name, yeah that was a mistake, however, Nintendo didn't do a very good job of explaining it before and after it's release. The problems were more than just the name, it was a perfect storm of bad events that plagued it. The 3DS still sold pretty well after they got over that early hump, and that has a very similar name to it's older brother, the DS.
"It will be something unique and different." I really don't like the sound of that, another console with another silly gimmick will be hard to successfully pull off. I think the need to drop a normal console with a normal controller, then sell a tablet controller or whatever separately. Though I do hope Nintendo does something great this time around. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.
Up until this point I'm quite satisfied with the software available for the Wii U. I've spent so many hours with Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, Splatoon and tomorrow Xenoblade will make me happy for the next couple of months if not longer. Quality over quantity anytime. If we could get another Monster Hunter on the Wii U I would be happy and settle with the library we have now.
@Stu13 Ruffles really are godlike though.
Throw in some sour cream dip and just chow down with no regrets
It would be a bummer if there was NO backwards compatibility. It also would be sad for me if the gamepad went away too...all I want is to play VC games on the gamepad...but I guess my Nintendo dream is not popular enough to be profitable.
@FierceRagnar because Iwata specifically said that the NX is a new dedicated gaming machine? This was literally the only thing he said when he accounced it at the beginning of the year.
Platform holders always say they will continue to support their existing platform. But they won't, once the current run of games out the Wii U is done. Bar perhaps a couple more filler titles or HD re-release.
Ohh yeah... it would be nice if Amiibo was compatible with the NX. Otherwise the concept is the biggest rip-off ever.
IT BETTER NOT BE OLD MAN! (jk, thank you very much for laying down fears Kimishima-san)
Also, about the whole backwards compatibility thing - fear not: Nintendo consoles have always been backwards compatible ever since the Wii.
You could play GameCube games on the Wii, and you can play Wii games on the Wii U now. There's no reason to take a step (pun not intended) backwards.
@Aneira I think it goes without saying that NX will support Nintendo's biggest money spinner.
So, by the sounds of it, it won't be replacing the 3DS in any way? I hope so, I love the 3DS and I don't think it's quite ready to be replaced yet.
Some people are expecting a 2016 release, but I think that's way too soon. 2017 is the earliest I can see the NX being released, and even that seems a little fast.
Either way, it's good to hear that this won't just be the next Wii. I personally loved the Wii (My favorite game of all time is on it, after all!) and I love my Wii U, but I know that it has a very negative view by many, so this should help the NX to do better. I'm happy that they confirmed that they won't just kill the Wii U suddenly, either. I knew they wouldn't, but so many people thought that Nintendo would.
@VeeFlamesNL Yeah but actually many people in the Internet believe NX is the final name and that it will be released in 2016.
They probably still believe this since ignorance is bliss. I have even been trying to convince those people that NX is just codename...
The continued Wii U support is most likely a safety net in case the NX don't pan out, same with the New 3DS.
That being said though, I wonder what the NX is. Not being Wii brand still leaves the gates open for a different thing entirely.
Just hope they aren't gonna try to go for PS4/Xbone style system because the Wii U and GameCube proved it probably won't work.
@mystman12
Same here. I've just bought a New Nintendo 3DS and I sure as he--sure as World 8 don't want it to be replaced. Unless, of course, it's a hybrid console, in which case I'd be more than glad to own a handheld that doubles as a home console.
@Mogster
Let's hope so
And I was reffering to the naming of the Wii U, when I said it seems they didn't get it. You don't know what this new NX thing will be called. They might make that same mistake again. I don't trust them to sit the right way on a toilet seat.
@AlexSora89 well PS4 was the first Playstation console that wasn't backwards compatible, so it does happen, even for the most successful...
Did anyone read the full interview? I know the following is probably reading way too much into it, and there is so much opportunity for mistranslation, but there's a slight, very slight possibility Kimishima slipped out that Nintendo is working on a Mario Galaxy game when he was explaining the Fellowship positions:
"You have people like Mr. Konno responsible for the Mario Kart series, or Mr. Koizumi who is in our Tokyo office with Mario Galaxy and so forth."
Alright, good. It's time to move on from the Wii name. Also, glad to hear that statement about Wii U support continuing.
@kenrulei
Probably a few, but given Nintendo's history of dropping the older console like a hot potato, I find his comments to be fluff talk. It's a pretty empty statement, and has been stated before by Iwata a little while back. They could consider SMTxFE, Pokken, Star Fox, Zelda, and possibly a handful of others, as "satisfying" the Wii U base, before they drop support themselves. I certainly hope they continue to support it into the NX's lifespan, but I won't hold my breath.
The NX being something totally different is exactly what it needs to do. Let's hope it delivers.
He is so straightforward and I love it.
"Continued support for Wii U gamers as the top priority? That's what I was waiting to hear"
I agree.
This is exactly what i would hope to hear at this stage. every word of it.
This man sounds like a Wii U defender. Approved for leadership by whodatninja!
I knew it wasn't gonna be a W33.
@ultraraichu "Speaking of which I have the craziest though that the NX is something like a Nervegear with that paragraph about unique and different (overthinking it)."
I really hope it's more like the AmuSphere. Don't really want my brain to get fried. Anyway I think we're a LONG way away from such a technology, unfortunately.
Reaffirms my thoughts on them running all three of their systems together. Which will be interesting to see how they handle that. The Wii U has so much potential for unique gameplay experiences that no one has thought of yet. I do hope other people continue to support it. Not just Nintendo.
That said, what could possibly be so revolutionary and unique beyond motion gaming? I don't think we're advanced enough for the virtual reality that could be offered at the Nintendo price. So I'm very curious as to what they want to roll out.
They keep saying that they're not abandoning the Wii U, but their actions are saying something different.
@Robotron2084 That's true. I hope it would be referring to a hybrid. I would really like to see that as it would mean series that depend on the dual screen setup (Etrian Odyssey) continue. It would also be wonderful if the tablet controller is compatible with the system.
The name NX is probably short for the NeXt console or perhaps Nintendo-X where X stands for the unknown.
@rjejr Good spot, will fix
Whatever it is, if there's a portable system component to it, I really hope they include Bluetooth (with apt-X codec) for use with wireless headphones, as finally getting good Bluetooth headphones has made me not want to use wired ones or listen to 3DS audio on the subway anymore.
Sounds great, hopefully it ends up being true.
How many WiiU's would have sold by now if they had called it something else and released it with Mario Maker as the pack-in?
So this hints even more heavily that the NX is a home console of some sort. BUT! The way he says he wants to make sure Wii U fans have stuff to play makes me think the NX won't come out for a little while, unless they plan on releasing Wii U games after the NX launches, which I don't think would happen
@dumedum I wish they confirmed that so people go out and buy some Wii Us. Some of them are still waiting for a NX reveal with backwards compatibility, wich means less sales for Wii U.
@Nicolai
That's actually more exciting than the rest of the stuff which was pretty good anyway.
"What does NX stand for? Well, we were going for a very literal code name. NX stands for 'Not XBox.'"
@holygeez03
Probably at least double. There are still people that think it's some kind of add on.
So what happened to Project Guard? Is that still coming this year?
1) Big N keeps referring to the NX as a platform rather than a console. The two are not synonymous in my mind, but perhaps I'm mistaken.
2) I FINALLY get the Wii U name, which many here (including me) think was not a good choice. Nintendo wanted to coax those 100M Wii gamers by presenting them with a new and improved Wii (like the Super Nintendo). "It's Wii. You like the Wii. This is an even better one." What Big N miscalculated was those gamers hearing about the Wii U and shrugging their shoulders, thinking, "I've already got a Wii that I love, don't need a 'better' one."
Thank goodness, so it won't be called 'Wii THEM' or something, Iol.
So we are to believe that the NX won't be able to play Mario Maker, Smash4, and Splatoon? Starting completely over with software seems like a bad idea...
@NintyMan One of the earliest things Iwata said about the 9th gen Nintendo consoles is that they'll "absorb" the WiiU architecture as part of their plan alonside the shared operating to make it easy to transfer assets between Handheld and Console. This could mean WiiU software could transferred to both these systems a lot easier(and so the Virtual Console doesn't have the painful start from scratch yet again).
So I think part of what they'll do is that the last set of WiiU retail titles might be NX games as well. Like if Pikmin 4 is almost done like Miyamoto suggested its on its way to being. Maybe we'll see a WiiU and NX version launch simultaneously with the NX game being 1080p/60fps and the WiiU game being 720p/30 fps like Pikmin 3. That way the NX 's library isn't getting hed back by WiiU game development and the WiiU isn't being left out in the cold as soon as the NX is out.
Scary words. New and unique normally goes one of two ways:
Wii
or
Wii U
"or Mr. Koizumi who is in our Tokyo office with Mario Galaxy and so forth" wait, does that mean they're working on a new galaxy game?!
If the NX isn't fully backwards compatible with Wii U and Wii, I don't expect to get it for several years. For better or for worse, I've invested very heavily in Nintendo's console, and I'm going to get my money's worth from it.
Not the next Wii/Wii U when they are basically abandoned the Wii U.... if the NX is not the next console then Nintendo is going to go through even grimmer times.
As a launch day Wii U owner I can say that I am happy with my purchase. The Wii U has been my favorite console this generation with fifty physical games and many digital VC and AAA games. I also have a PS4 I use for exclusives and multiplatform as well as an Xbox One for exclusives only.
My point is that Nintendo has provided a lot of content for the Wii U already to the point that most wouldn't feel bad if they moved on at this point. Sure we will get Zelda U, Twilight Princess HD, and Star Fox Zero next year but beyond what's been promised there is already a lot of great content on the Wii U.
I'm pretty sure that Nintendo said some time ago that this would not replace the Wii U OR the 3DS...o.o
I can see why they put this guy in charge for now. He seems to get it.
@manu0
My thought exactly. He might have said a bit too much there, though maybe he just meant to place Koizumi with a game people would know. I was not as crazy about Galaxy 2 as I was for the first one, but I'd definitely still welcome a third game.
@Nintenjoe64
He specifically says their new platform has to move away from what the Wii and Wii U are doing, to be appealing, but I know what you mean. Conceptually it might be just as much an oddball.
@dumedum Doesn't 100% mean for sure no backwards compatibility. Remember, most games don't really use the gamepad. The next system could easily be backwards compatible to WiiU games - even if only digitially. Just no off TV play. And course that's assuming the next system doesn't have that option as well - though I don't expect it to as the controller I think was the biggest off puter for the WiiU. Thing is great once you play with it, but its huge and a clunky mess of a thing.
@ikki5 I think he means "Not the next Wii or WiiU" as in brand name. Like how the NIntendo DS wasn't just "The next gameboy" but it was still Nintendo's next handheld console during the 7th generation, they moved away from the gameboy line specifically but they were still making a handheld console.
Basically the NX is Nintendo's next console but its not just going to be a "Wii 3".
If Nintendo really isn't abandoning the Wii U, prove it! Give us names of games that are coming in 2016! Not just Pokken Tournament, Star Fox and Zelda. Tell us what you're working on then if more is coming! I don't believe for a second that they will continue supporting the Wii U past 2016 or even much in 2016.
On the topic of the NX I'm glad they're finally moving away from the Wii and Wii U structures. This leads me to believe the Wii name will not be used (thankfully!). But if the NX is something so completely different I can't wait to see what it is. Seems like they're going for another "third pillar" thing like they did (very unsuccessfully) with the Virtual Boy + GameBoy + SNES and (very successfully) with the DS + GBA + GCN. They claim that the NX won't replace the 3DS or Wii U but I'm still leaning towards it replacing both of them. In any event I'm looking forward to hearing more!
@bluedogrulez wasn't that pretty obvious when they announced the WiiU name back in 2012?
Of course the NX name is just a codename/place holder. It just means Nintendos next system. But, before they actually had a name for the DS back in 2003, the media called it DS, and Nintendo stuck with that name, rest is history.
I think the name NX is pretty edgy and 'cool', they will change it but I wouldn't mind it being called Nintendo NX or Nintendo X.
Also, the WiiU is going to be dropped like a hot snot next year. People on here are always so naive, Nintendo lie about systems and games all the time!
I except the NX to launch by October 2016.
@Dr_Lugae I really hope so, the Wii brand does need to be dumped and I really hope they at least make it comparable and work more with the 3rd parties.
Unique and different with lots of support is great, unique and different with only Nintendo supporting it equals DOA. I really hope third parties are fully behind the NX.
Nx is quite heavily referenced as the next console - not the next handheld. Just saying.
My vote is still that NX will have two very different skus, one as a console with a standard controller that outputs in hd, and one as a handheld, lower resolution. Games on cartridges to enable saving between the two. Also that the games are optimized to both resolutions. Anyone expecting one purchase to get them a handheld and a console is crazy.
@KrakenSoup i'm hoping to be prove wrong to, i hate for the Wii U die out for a 3 years old console (4 next year) you think they keep it long as the Wii did
@Daruncic
I agree with you except I think the SKUs would be identical hardware wise... it'll be like the Vita and the Vita TV... .$199.99 for the console sku and $250.00 for the handheld SKU
Kimishima was well spoken in this Time piece. He just said exactly what he wanted to with no fluff. Now he has me intrigued about NX. And his comments about not abandoning current Wii U owners...that was very nice to hear. I wish Nintendo management had said something like this month's ago. Maybe I wouldn't have bought my xbox then.
Draw a line under the Wii name era now and move on too something new sounds great too me.
@shani : I think a good name should incorporate their greatest period and be goofy at the same time. Something like Super Ultimate Nintendo Entertainment System. SUNES. Sounds wicked.
The Wii U is going to be in the list of underrated consoles like GameCube, Dreamcast and Saturn.
@Dr_Lugae : maybe they will allow backwards compatibility with the Wii U gamepad and incorporate a control scheme with the new standard controller where you customize the whole thing ala xbox elite controller.
As a WiiU-owner and NX-gonna-be-owner, I would prefer it if they just dropped the WiiU instead of trying to supply games for WiiU, NX and 3DS. They already have enough problems creating games for 2 systems...
As fun as it can be picking apart snippets of information from people in charge, I'd rather just forget about the NX's existence until they show us the physical product.
Saves me the headache. And I trust in Nintendo to do right by their fans.
Hopefully not a gimmicky mess
@Cyberbotv2 That sounds like a name Capcom made up haha.
His words sound very promising so far, but I'll need to wait for more details. The Wii U has been suffering, so it's probably best if the NX is something fresh. I wouldn't mind them dropping backwards compatibility if this allows the NX to have a different architecture that's easier for 3rd parties to port games to.
It's also sensible to not abandon Wii U support just yet since the people that currently have one will be some of Nintendo's most loyal customers, so it's great to keep them happy.
Interesting piece, to the point where I'll hunt down and read the actual Time article later. I'm fine with the NX being its own thing with its own branding; I'm in agreement that the Wii brand is seen as too "casual" for some. (Not that I believe the Wii and Wii U are for casual gamers only; quite the opposite!)
I'm also pleased with the comments regarding continued Wii U support. I've loved my Wii U ever since I picked it up this summer and would hate to see it abandoned right when the NX launches. On the other hand, I don't want to see it receiving shovelware way after its time like with the Wii.
They said the same about WiiU and how new and innovative and mind blowing it will be, and at the same time they said they slapped 2 wii's together. While U has best Nintendo games in years, it shows that people are in for gimmicks and not simple, fluid gameplay and there are not that many "hc" people
i like about "unique" thing that nintendo nx will be fully different from generation also i doubt nx will more become mobile graphics version and console hybrid
This.. This is what I needed to push me over fence to finally buy wii u for Christmas.. And I bet I'm not alone. Well played Nintendo, well played
That's definitely a good thing. I think the Wii U was hurt a lot because it had an image problem. For the first year or so people just thought it was an upgraded Wii.
So.....all new gimmicks this gen. Great.
Interesting interview, unsurprisingly given his role he seems very switched on and clear of focus.
Taking the key points - did anybody really think NX was going to be the finished name? It was always a codename like Project Reality, Revolution, Project Cafe etc. Oh and praise be that the Wii name will be dropped.
Support for Wii U - there's nothing there to indicate anything else is to be announced. They may be happy with what they have lined up. They're not great at supporting machines late in their life so having maybe 10 games left for Wii U is relatively solid support. I don't think anyone should be getting their hopes up that there's much else in the pipeline.
Amiibo - They have to be careful to get the balance right. He suggests they want to make the toys a more integral part of the gaming experience but they also don't want to put off people who don't fancy paying extra for expensive DLC hidden behind a toy.
Expanding their IP, going into mobile games and 'My Nintendo' - all sound good, but really should have been done years ago.
'It's something unique and different' - different to Wii U is good. 'Unique' - hmmmm. hopefully this doesn't mean 'innovation for innovations sake' like with 3DS and Wii U. If they have a brilliant idea that will genuinely add something to gaming but also doesn't add much to the machines price (important because if the gimmick doesn't take off the hardware really needs to be competitively priced) great but their two competitors are currently cleaning up with innovation-free consoles.
The discussion on backwards compatibility - he doesn't mention anything as far as I can tell. Personally I think it should be very low priority. The hardware should be easily able to emulate 3DS and everything before that. They'd be better off filling the first year with remastered/GOTY editions of Wii U games (they can offer discounts to existing digital owners) rather than crippling the hardware to squeeze in BC.
To sum up - nice words, but actions speak louder.
This is all good news to me. NX will be a completely new direction for Nintendo, they'll be supporting WiiU with its own software, and MyNintendo will have a point system.
Looks like Nintendo is hopping back into the news cycle with this interview. The Game Awards will be later tonight with some news. Cloud should be hitting SSB eventually. Good things, Good things.
"Or perhaps Mr. Iwata had meant to tell me and then never got the chance."
Aw man...
But I'm glad to hear that the Wii U won't be abandoned.
I'm still not reassured for my wiiu's purchase :T ...
I think I'm gonna go back to pc gaming.. More versatile and less likely to disappoint.
@holygeez03 If you want third party support it has to match the competing consoles in architecture.
The whole thing about continued support for the Wii u is a sound bite for the press so people don't stop buying the system.
@Boxmonkey
That's what I believe as well.
NX is a home console: confirmed.
"..the codename NX...I don't know where it came from." Pffft...hahaHAHAHA!
IT BETTER BE BC WITH WII AND WII U, Kimishima-san. That's all I have to say.
This sounds familiar.
Nintendo, for the most part, has a very good sense of morals. They also acknowledged that the Wii U was more expensive that they wanted it to be. So of course they would focus on Wii U owners
It was an interesting read it defiantly explained a lot of what Nintendo has in store for the future. I think Nintendo is going forward to the right path but only time will tell. Finally no Wii name on there console. I was kind of hoping they would keep the Nintendo NX name but that's just a Codename.
I think we are reading it as NX when it was more intended as the NX (cross) suggesting the cross platform theory, Psvita has impressive graphics if nothing else and if Nintendo have these new chips rumoured maybe they can match ps4 and xbone graphically on both fronts at the same time!? They have joined the departments into one after all, it all seems logical to me that this is the direction they should move in. They admitted that tablets were the issue with the wii u sales, so having an app and ge based machine you could play at home on your tv and on the go again seems the logical next move for a console.plus it means that the new pokemon go would be available for it, I am thinking is it is 2016 release, it will be a Christmas one.
If there is one thing Nintendo will never be beaten on, it's the handheld market!
i don't think that he's saying there will be a huge conceptual difference at all... it's quite likely that he's talking about a device that builds on the wii u but which will have a significantly different user experience (read branding, styling, and UI).
look at what nintendo's done well with the console: it's nurtured the indy developer scene and did so in a way that has created a dedicated group of developers well skilled to further evolve two screen gaming (building further on their DS innovations); it's perfected low latency input/output integration which is a huge feat considering it's HD; they've revolutionized controller design (again) by demonstrating truly effective accelerometer integration in the shooter genre (precision input has been a lifelong bane for console developers and gamers alike--i suspect S&M's next controller set will have full accelerometer support); and they've given true Nintendo experiences all along the way (my son's childhood has been much shaped by the games of the Wii U and his competitive/cooperative experiences with Dad).
But it was the branding that did it in. screw the big developers; they'll join if there's a customer base, regardless of the coding. there just wasn't much exceptional marketing.
give me more wii u, just amp it's power, redesign it's image, call it something else, and sell it better.
oh and don't forget: Nintendo's done an incredible job at splitting the console generation cycle. at this rate, each console they develop will fall smackdab in middle of S&M's development cycle. they're already at least a year out from direct competition...
Well if they decide to ditch the GamePad, does that rule out a Splatoon sequel? Unless they try and find away to do super jump moves etc. without a touch screen.
Been saying this for months. NX is not a console. Its likely a platform, launching with a mobile-like handheld device to access it.
NX = Nintendo Cross Platform.
Everyone that says "NX will be something fresh, new!" are wrong. A console can't be "fresh" every console is the same. They play videogames. That's their purpose, and that's what they do. The Wii had motion controls. It still just played videogames. The N64 had 3d graphics. It played videogames. The WiiU had the gamepad. It played videogames. I really don't get all the fuss. But the continous support for WiiU makes me so happy. Cause I just can't go buy a new console that doesn't have backwards compatibility. I still think there will be backwards compatibility to some extent, as in free digital versions of WiiU games or something of the like. But the NX is either a new console, or a platform. Either way I'm happy.
@BinaryFragger Sadly I'm on the same train of thought. I want to believe NX will be awesome and I want Nintendo to succeed but it's hard to believe in them when they keep making the same mistakes over and over. I am not at all convinced the Wii U has not been abandoned. I find it very hard to believe they have yet to announce any titles for Wii U from now until its demise. I truly believe what we know about - Pokken, Star Fox, Twilight Princess HD, Zelda Wii U - is it. At best we will get another HD port.
Honestly, I would have been THRILLED if the NX was just a chip you put into your Wii U to increase the power so third parties would get on board.
He said a whole lot of nothing here. Anyone drawing firm conclusions from any of this is kidding themselves, this is just more of the same generic 'support existing customer base but working on something new' that means next to nothing.
The only bit of real interest is the Galaxy reference.
@bloody_velvet don't worry splatoon will be upgraded with spawn points, realistic paints, kill cams and voice actors and chat. It's gonna be revolutionary.
"We will continue to support the Wii U going into the lifecycle of the NX" I've heard that one before.
GameCube - Nintendo stoped supporting it right after the Wii released
Wii - Support died in 2011 with the exception being Xenoblade, Pandora's Tower, The Last Story and Ubisoft's just dance games and the skylander games.
Wii U - Outside of SMTxFE and Zelda U what else is slated for summer 2016 and beyond, I want proof not words, words that were echoed in past generations and weren't directly validated.
So there's a compact, portable, battery-powered console unit that takes cartridges, which is wirelessly linked with the gamepad-like (but more portable) control/display unit. And it can also be wirelessly connected to an HDMI dongle plugged into the TV. Did I understand that correct?
While I am glad Nintendo is going to turn the page and move on from the decade long Wii/Wii U era of products, they better change their hardware ideology as well. If the NX is another cheap and underpowered console, built around some exotic controller gimmick, without a modernized online infrastructure, digital account system, and set of features, Nintendo may as well just call the NX a Wii U 2.
The Wii U didn't fail because people didn't transition from the Wii. That's the same old tired excuse Nintendo has been repeating for years.
The Wii U was made in the first place because the Wii was already failing. The Wii was failing because the casuals that thought the Wii was great no longer cared about consoles, the market had transitioned to smartphone and tablet games.
It concerns me if his opinion on the Wii U's failure is truly legitimate or if it's just more of the same PR crap Nintendo spews out about why the Wii U didn't work.
I just had a crrrazy bonkers idea: What if the NX was shown off at tonight's Game Awards? (I know, it's totally kookoo, and not gonna happen)
@Ryu_Niiyama me too.
Can't wait.
Thank god, the branding is part of what sunk the Wii U. Nobody knew it was anything different, considering most who bought the wii are not avid gamers (and could not tell the difference). The Wii time was fun, but it's time to finally move on.
@LemonSlice
Okay, you called it! I like your take on it--it's all about the dongle
@VeeFlamesNL I've stated the same thing. It may be revealed in 2016 but get released the next year. If it DOES get released in '16, maybe POSSIBLY December.
@JudgeMethos I think that's just about what everyone is thinking right now--a release in the fall or holiday season.
As long as it delivers something new and interesting and they still release high quality games, I'll be happy. Controller wise I'm looking forward to seeing if they come up with something new, it's what they always do. And I'm sure they'll release a 2nd bog-standard controller for all you people who fear change.
I am so glad it has nothing to do with Wii or Wii U.
Glad Nintendo is (apparently) leaving the Wii moniker behind!
I don't think we Nintendo fans have anything to worry about. Even if the NX isn't everything we want it to be, it'll be a solid platform. Sales or not, the Wii U is a solid platform, and I doubt many of us here who have one regret that purchase. It would be nice to see a return to more traditional gaming and leave the rather tainted Wii name behind (although I absolutely love my Wii and my Wii U), though, and I certainly hope the NX is as different from the Wii U as the Gamecube was from the Nintendo 64.
I remember when the wii was announced. It was so fresh and unique and it really made the past generation more memorable. I hope the NX does this again. I really miss feeling excited about gaming. Lately it has been nothing but boring, depressing news and games.
@AlexSora89 I disagree... The new NX will probably be digital only no disks, no carts.
I am fine with this, honestly the backwards compatibility is part of the reason we are in this mess with the Wii U. the cube, Wii and Wii U all share architecture... Was a very bad move in retrospect...
I don't think backwards compatibility is going to be a big deal. I think it's more important that the NX recognises your virtual console purchases. I refuse to re-buy all those NES and Gameboy games. I have faith they know this.
I think they'll just port 'definitive editions' of Smash 4, MK8 and Splatoon with all the DLC included.
I agree the Wii branding isn't doing them any favours, and I notice in popular culture it has become a joke, or a 'girls' or 'family' console which is a shame.
I must admit, the motion controls put me off, and similarly, if the NX is about motion, or VR or some other gimmick, I may not be interested.
Give me the high def successor to the 3DS, (the HDS?) any day!
For anybody thinking that a departure from the Wii/Wii U brand is a good thing, you might be disappointed. It doesn't mean Nintendo will start competing with Sony and Microsoft.
"... something that will appeal to our consumer base." = families, children and people not interested in powerhouse consoles. It seems like Kimishima acknowledges they lost most of their consumer base when switching from Wii to Wii U, and his comments point to Nintendo attempting to win that (Wii) crowd back.
I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it, especially when considering Nintendo's past and their current and future projects.
Well I did say it.
Despite what I would like the NX to be (Well, the idea below or some kind of VR headset):
https://inceptionalnews.wordpress.com/2015/06/26/heres-the-gist-of-my-idea-for-nintendos-nx/
It was pretty obvious Nintendo was likely going down a rather different path. This was made clear both by the things Nintendo said officially and also the use of the NX codename itself (which I explained in another post—that "NX" is actually used in certain industries as a label for projects/technologies that are something totally new and even unproven. I just can't find the link to the specific article).
So, I'm not surprised by this further clarification that it's probably going to be something very different, but I am worried.
PS. Despite what he says, I'm telling you that "NX" does actually stand for pretty much exactly what the NX is, which is something totally new and different, and even unproven.
Edit: In fact, it might have been something along these lines where I saw the use of NX in the way I'm describing: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/NX Although, I'm pretty sure it was an actual real industry that I read about that used it.
It sounds like they are going to try to innovate as usual, which considering that this is Nintendo we are talking about, that is to be expected. Hopefully they succeed and if the system really is a hybrid then I think there is huge potential for success if it is done correctly, heck just thinking about it make me want buy it. 2016 can't come soon enough because I am ready for them to finally lift the lid and reveal all of the juicy details to us instead of us relying on rumors and speculation.
Why have 1 article linking to the Time story when you can have 3 or more...?
Is the NX some kind of hardware boosting device for Wii U or 3DS or even both? Like an upgrade attachment for Wii U to boost its performance?
If primary and mobile consoles are integrated, does that mean the end of 3D? I really hope not.
@BaffleBlend I didn't need to hear it because I knew it was happening - I trust Nintendo's history over the random guesses in articles.
I get the feeling Nintendo saw how awesome the dual screens were for the DS and wanted to bring that experience to the living room. The problem is the 2 are not even comparable. With the DS you could look at the bottom screen without moving your head, or even in your peripheral vision. Switching focus between the 2 screens was seamless, It didn't work that way with the Wii U. Still, without the touch screen on the controller, a game like Super Mario Maker would not be as awesome as it is. Interesting to see if they keep a screen or not. I still think a screen would be great, but make it less of the focus and also more like those 'paper' screens on those ereaders.
I get the feeling Nintendo saw how awesome the dual screens were for the DS and wanted to bring that experience to the living room. The problem is the 2 are not even comparable. With the DS you could look at the bottom screen without moving your head, or even in your peripheral vision. Switching focus between the 2 screens was seamless, It didn't work that way with the Wii U. Still, without the touch screen on the controller, a game like Super Mario Maker would not be as awesome as it is. Interesting to see if they keep a screen or not. I still think a screen would be great, but make it less of the focus and also more like those 'paper' screens on those ereaders.
As long as I can transfer all of my old stuff too the NX from my New 3DS XL, I'll be happy.
Why is nobody questioning the way he holds that GBA SP? Has he ever played a game? o__o
(Hate being late to stories like this)
I like the way this president talks (good translation because it was a magazine article maybe?) and I like what he says about NX and the lessons learned.
It all sounds good. Now, patience.
As far as the comments about supporting Wii U, he is saying "right now". In other words Star Fox, Pokken Tournament, Zelda U. That covers most of 2016 as far as the pace of major releases for Wii U. Maybe one more surprise something-or-other (Retro?), but I'm betting those are the 3 big games left for the Wii U. Honestly, I'm hoping it's the case with the caveat that I also hope NX is someting I want!
@dumedum If its not backwards compatible, it could bring loss of potential sales.
Also, it can easily be backwards compatible because the gamepad can now be sold separately.
As for the NX, Obviously, its going to be new and this is what Iwata-San said earlier. Nothing new on that. What I'm curious though is how Nintendo is going to satisfy those who just bought a Wii U or are planning to buy one?
When I hear the NX will be unique and different, I immediately think "yet another gimmicky console" and I REALLY, REALLY hope that's not the case. Just a powerful console with a normal controller, and third party support with more adult games, this isn't rocket science, Nintendo
Eh i'll wait until E3 for news on this console or whatever it is.
I'm still a little skeptical about the NX being this totally unique system that we have never experienced before. I hope it is and that its awesome. I guess we will see it when we see it. Maybe the gamepad projects a game screen on the wall or something. Maybe it's like that thing in Star Trek when they go on vacations (now that would be awesome). Anyway it's exciting. Here's hoping for the best yet. One thing is for sure. They are going to have to pull out all the stops to sell people on a download only platform. It's going to have to be something very special.
I'm still pretty sure that NX will launch at the end 2016 and there will be no new games made by Nintendo coming to Wii U in 2017.
@hYdeks best idea for a system yet. I think at this point a pipe dream for Nintendo. They think they have to make something nobody has and will continue to do so win or lose. Personally I would like to see them go back to just a regular system with power and a regular controller. But then there is another part of me who can't wait to see what they are going to trytry and unvail to us very soon. I'm hoping for the beat and that I will love it.
@GH05T Sega tried that with the Sega CD and 32x. Didn't work out so well. I doubt Nintendo would put all their eggs in that basket.
I'm pretty sure that Nintendo will try to join the mobile market completely. I think NX will be a kind of smart phone to try to appeal to the smartphone customers who doens't consume handhelds or gaming consoles. And that the NX will be able to play 3DS games aswell, to justify the new consoles slow releasing of new software (There are enough 3DS games already). So more or less A New Smartphone 3DS XS.
Like the Nintendo DS was not the next version of the Game Boy Advance... Oh and that was backwards compatible.
I'm very curious about how this will pan out. I like how he answers questions.
Mabey the NX will be a platform instead of specific hardware. Something along the lines of Steam but with a Nintendo twist. They may even run the store on 3DS and WiiU hardware or even have the option of picking up a specific made box that will run the store and play the games. That way they will be able to make the NX available to everybody without people having to make any major investment. This will appeal to Smartphone gamers and PC gamers alike. Our household was a multiple console household but now we mainly use WiiU / steam for home gamers and 3DS for handheld. So a Nintendo version of Steam will be myi deal scenario.
@dumedum third option: it is backward compatible, but the Compatibility Controller Pack is sold separately. The GamePad became a separately sold item very very recently, did it not?
That is to say, it won't carry on the Wii name and objective of trying to bring new players by offering simplistic ways to play. It's a good thing IMO, because as much as I've loved the approach of both the Wii and Wii U, it became clear not long after the Wii U was out that the very people the Wii was hoping to get playing, had no idea or interest in the Wii U. The name itself was a source of much confusion, with people simply thinking it was a new controller to use with the Wii, but not one they were willing to try out.
Nintendo needs a clean slate with NX, and to do something no one else has ever tried.
@thatguyEZ
"Another silly gimmick"
Ok. Hmmm.. What exactly is silly about playing games with a secondary screen? Sure doesn't seem silly to me, and it doesn't feel silly playing the games. And again, what is silly about integrating newer technologies into our gaming consoles- IR and gyro, accelerometers, NFC, lag-free streaming, etc?
What seems silly to me, is to close your mind off to anything other than what you already know. Especially when games are about having fun. As if there's a right and wrong way.
I like what the GameOverthinker thought about what might make this system unique, which I'm sure has been discussed on Nintendo Life as well.
If the patent is correct, and there is no optical drive, going back to a flash cartridge based console that has built in extra space for future DLC. This is even more relevant now that Nintendo has finally been experimenting with this more. This could be just the "unique" enough to be another revolution that will make the bridge to full download consoles.
I know alot of people think that making it "just as powerful if not more" seems to be the answer, but its not. Another "unique" for Nintendo would be simply using better tools to import code from other platforms to port over games.
If power was really the issue we wouldn't see some of the PS4/Xbone games appear on PS3 and 360.
I'm not sure what people here want.
People talk about "the past mistakes" and "3rd parties" and on and on. But, if you want multi plats THAT badly, why not buy a different console that specializes in that very field? A PS4 or X1 is what you want. Trust me, it's what you you want. If multi plats are that important to you, you'd do well to stop complaining about them not being on Nintendo and just go buy a PS4/X1.
And as for everything else, I'm not sure what more they can really do. The fact is, nobody is ever going to buy multi plats on Nintendo consoles. It's just never going to happen, and I don't understand why people can't see that. The current fan base doesn't support them, hasn't supported them, and will never support them. So the only way to sell any meaningful numbers would be to bring other gamers into the fold. Ha! Good luck with that. You try convincing a guy who's been playing multi plats on PS for 10 years to go buy a Nintenod console (despite already owning) a PS4, and buy his multi plats on Nintendo. Ya, not gonna happen.
Fact is, Nintendo's future hinges on alternative choice. Exclusives. On a library that isn't the same as everywhere else, but different. Get used to it now. You have mainstream gaming on PS/Xbox, and alternative gaming on Nintendo. They can't compete with similar libraries because nobody buys those games or cares about them. So it's all about an exclusive library. Basically, what we see with Wii U and 3DS. That's not gonna change, NX may bring a few well deserved JRPG's and the like, but don't expect the next Fallout on Nintendo. That's a pipe dream.
'it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.'
I am in no way calling Kimishima an idiot, the quote is just too applicable to pass up.
Nintendo is a corporation. They will say anything re: system support etc. Perhaps they will even believe it themselves for a bit. When it is forgotten down the road there will be apologies, or not.
They will do what they want, how they want, when they want. They know we can be played like violins. It's ok: they know many love and trust nintendo no matter how outlandish their claims even when past behaviour is brought into the mix.
The NX will be what it will be. We will know about the specifics when they want us to and not a second before. I can't help wishing their marketing after product release was as good as it is during development, lol.
"What I want to do, I think our first job right now is to make sure that the customers, those 10 million customers who have a Wii U at home have software to play. And we need to make sure that they are satisfied with their purchase and continue to enjoy playing on this platform."
Nintendo has done nothing to inspire hope for much future support for Wii U beyond their few 2016 offerings. (Two of which are delayed 2015 offerings...) To say otherwise on their part is marketing speak. But that's to be expected- Kimishima is smart enough to not pull a Bernie (Stolar). Can you imagine the backlash if he repeated that mistake and said, "The Wii U is not in our future"?
"The point that I was trying to get across was that Wii has sold so much and is being played by so many people, it's not going to be easy to make them leave that and come to the next system. That was my only point, that it was a difficult task for us to bring those consumers from Wii to Wii U."
True, but the Wii U was not intended to capture the same audience as the Wii from the get go. Everything done from the moment of the E3 reveal of Wii U has indicated that. Not to mention, the primary target Wii audience was either fine where they were or moved on to mobile. Of course the Wii U wasn't going to sell as well as the Wii, that was a given. The real blunder here is that they completely failed to shift back to their core market, and completely abandoned the marketing blitzes they refined with the Wii.
"That being said, I can assure you we're not building the next version of Wii or Wii U. It's something unique and different. It's something where we have to move away from those platforms in order to make it something that will appeal to our consumer base."
So in other words, the Wii U didn't appeal enough to their core base? That's a fair assessment, since it's by far the worst performing Nintendo home console of all time. Give credit where it's due, though; they're lucky that even 10 million sales have gone through with their nearly nonexistent market presence in the home console sphere. They should be prostrating themselves towards those several million people who put up with their lackluster antics.
Oh well, back to the drawing board, try again. Nintendo is still in the black, at least. (Which Microsoft can't say about their gaming division, and Sony can't say about their entire company.) It's about time for Nintendo to put an end to their current trend of playing softball with cold greyscale, and get back to playing it loud with bold, bright colors...
@Noelemahc @Artwark yes, but you need hardware inside the console (specially designed wi fi connector) to interact with the GamePad. That costs money. That communication with the GamePad is a serious thing. They would prefer to drop it, to make the console less expensive while having to do lots of other and new things with it, knowing that the install base of the Wii U wasn't that significant.
Exciting times!
@mystman12
I hope so too. I have thought all along that the New 3DS is an extension of tbe 3DS line. I couldn't figure out why Nintendo would have bothered with it if they were planning to replace it with a handheld/console combo shortly thereafter. I still love my 3DS, and I'm glad that the games keep coming!
@JaxonH Well, I personally do like the game pad, I think its a wonderful little gadget (though I wish it had a better screen). But I think it was a mistake for Nintendo to make them mandatory and ship them with every console. I understand the logic behind that decision, it's the same reason Microsoft shipping every Xbox One with a Kinect. If Nintendo wants to innovate that's fine with me, but it shouldn't be a mandatory expense on the consumers part. I can understand that people want Nintendo to do their own thing but at the end of the day Nintendo is a business and is out to make money. The mainstream have flocked to the PS4 and there's a reason for it, it's getting most, if not all, of the third party games whilst also getting some great exclusives like Bloodborne, Persona 5, Disgaea 5, Uncharted, Horizon, Gravity Rush 2, Horizon, Gran Turismo, Nier 2, I could go on. Nintendo needs to make a system with better hardware than what's in the other two, ships it with a normal controller (unless its a hybrid, then I suppose a tablet kind of thing is integral.), begs third party publishers to come back, brings the heat with their IPs, and gets their online infrastructure up to date. I know this has been said a million times before, but if I could have a system where I have Fire Emblem and Etrian Odyssey next to Rainbow Six Siege or whatever those companies are dropping at the time, I would be sold and I'm sure plenty of others would be as well. And I understand the argument that Nintendo should work towards making a console that people buy to sit next to their PC, PS4, Xbox, but that really didn't seem to work last gen.
I'm completely open to new ideas and different ways to play games. As I said I'm a big fan on the gamepad and think it was a great idea, but it also helped cripple the Wii U. Nintendo isn't in financial trouble now, but they can't keep throwing ideas at a wall until something sticks. I grew up with Nintendo and I would love to continue to enjoy the games they make possible until I'm a withered old man. I really feel that if the NX bombs, Nintendo is going to be in serious trouble and that's the last thing I want to see. I'm hard on them because I love the products they put out and feel it would be a detriment to the entire industry if they went the way of Sega.
Edit: And Nintendo really can't survive on an selling products to ~11 million people. Developing consoles and games is simply too expensive and the company would have to seriously downsize or go third party to be able to support that kind of business model. As with any other company, Nintendo wants all the money it can get. It would be much less expensive to just develop a console that can actually compete with the other two and try and take a chunk out the others install base. Regardless the company can't survive in its current state by investing millions in developing consoles and games only to see them bomb like the Wii U.
At least we aren't looking at another "Sega Saturn < Sega Dreamcast" situation.
@KrakenSoup
Gameboy and SNES "very unsuccessfully"... are you serious?! Let me answer this for you, DEFINITELY NOT!
@kenrulei 2016 Wii U games' list doesn't seem to be very wide, maybe about 5-6 or less.
@JaxonH
"What exactly is silly about playing games with a secondary screen?"
Looking down at the GamePad to see what items the other players have is completely unnecessary and it should be on the TV. Plus, doing so means one doesn't see what's on the TV until he looks at it (= very distracting).
@Dr_Corndog
NX = Nintendo Xtreme
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