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Heavyarms55

@Mountain_Man I can understand with questioning that aspect. You can go with the simple answer "sex sells" it's the same reason why male characters are almost always big muscular heroes too. Or why you have nerds who get super powers or why the main character is always a chosen one or something of that sort. It's the power trip fantasy. People don't generally read books, watch movies or play games for a slice of boring everyday life full of average Joes wearing the uniclo/Target brand clothes working 9-5 with nothing special going on. And writers/designers/companies tailor their products to what they think will appeal to a target audience.

I'll give you that different demographics don't get nearly as much media tailored to them and I agree with frustration in that regard - I think there should be options for different people.

But calling someone a "whore" simply based on how they dress is disgusting. If you want to call me "one of those people" fine, that's your right, just as it's my right to find your opinion disgusting. "whore" is a degrading and insulting word meant to demonize women based on their lifestyle. It's a means of controlling them to conform to someone else's morality. It's also especially inaccurate in this case as Sharla is a character who is very loyal to the person she loves.
And moving on after his death is something very difficult for her and a major plot point.
At no point does she remotely behave in that manner. Clothing is not relevant. The best argument for clothing could perhaps be a shirt with like "dick goes here" and an arrow pointed at her mouth or crotch. Then maybe you'd have a point. Never does she wear anything remotely like that. Nor do almost any women outside of a porno film.

But like I said, if you want to label her or anyone who dresses similar to her, in such a disgusting fashion, then I reserve my right to call it out as disgusting and gross too.

If you don't like that, you can always ignore me.

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link3710

@Heavyarms55 ....Well. I completed every single sidequest up to that point for starters. It was my first 3D RPG save Baten Kaitos (which was... much smaller), so I spent a ton of time just exploring and enjoying the scenery. Plus, I think I went and hunted some of the rarer spawns that weren't quest related as well. And I'm pretty sure I managed to find every single hidden item.

Plus, that was 120 hours over the course of 10 years, so there was always a 'what the heck was I doing' whenever I booted the game back up, since I'd usually play for like, 5-10 hours every so often. That honestly probably accounted for a lot of it.

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Heavyarms55

@link3710 Still though... That's an extreme amount of time! I mean, I'm the same way, hunting down all the side quests and finishing each page of the collectapedia but you spent nearly 6 times as long on the same section of the game! Nothing wrong with it, I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just utterly astounded!

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JaxonH

@link3710
You played Baten Kaitos?

I wanna know. How good is it, compared to Xenoblade? I know the card-based battle system might not be for everyone but just, in your opinion, how much did you like it compared to how much you like Xenoblade?

And which one did you play? Origins or Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean? (or both)

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@JaxonH Sorry to but in but when someone is talking about my jam, I click. Personally I really enjoyed the card battling system for BK and BKO (played and beat both back in the day) and it is my favorite monlolithsoft series (in part for the constellation focus cuz I'm a nerd).

BKO and BK have somewhat different battle systems and they have their strengths and weaknesses (I'm partial to BK but I think that is more "I played this first and got used to it" bias more than anything else)

In both games your cards can change due to real time evolutions (such as food cooking or spoiling) or due to your combo setups in game. Your teams are 3 at a time and you are manageing each of their decks in BK vs one card pool in BKO. BKO has sorta a poker feel to it as the cards are numbered by strength and matching them in pairs or straights ups your damage, that on top of the time you have to select your cards is based on your character's speed can add or decrease the feeling of stress and urgency depending on the person. The cards are also sorted by element too so you have to look at matchups when playing (and when picking characters as they have specialties- most characters can use all elements but your chances of FINDING said cards to stack their deck is where the strategy comes in) as well as update decks on the regular so you don't put yourself at a disadvantage...as the game will punish you for it. I enjoyed the story at the time, but I've only beaten it twice and the last time was about a decade ago. There is a nice twice midway through and it lays enough plot threads for BKO. The worlds are gorgeous and the music is fantastic...I still play the BK soundtrack in my current musical rotation. There are some simple puzzles in the dungeons and a fair amount of back tracking but not enough to make it annoying imo (I don't like to backtrack much in games). It has a plot mechanic that allows the game to break the fourth wall that I felt was inclusive (as in it didn't feel shoehorned in), and likely made me at the time more emotional although part of its creation was to handwave the audio quality of the compressed voice files at the time. It has a seemingly straight forward plot although there are some twists and character switching and a very nice thread that gets expounded upon in BKO.

BKO streamlines the card system to one central deck...which I still have mixed feelings about as it can be both easier and harder depending on the battle than to BK. But its less card management. Again I still chalk most of that up to nostalgia as I played these games as a teenager when I would have made more immovable opinions. I enjoyed the story of BK but BKO takes it up a notch. It really uncovers a lot of the darkness of the world and makes many of the twists and motivations of come of the characters in BK make more sense. The only issue I have with the story is it leaves a HUGE setup for BK3 which as of yet has not been paid off. I will say I enjoyed the majority of the characters in BK over BKO with the exception of two but as the game is a prequel-sequel the game takes place in the past and some characters from BK are not born yet or are kids. It is hilarious seeing some of the familiar faces return as the game does a good job of tying most of their personalities (as in that character that was a jerk? yeah still a jerk but now you know why...) I do feel that the colorful world of the BK series is delightfully deceptive as it is a bit of a crapsack world but its completely breath taking...even the Empire which is steampunk has a certain cathedral beauty to it.

I will say the BK series is a completionist nightmare though as it is easy to miss some one time cards without a guide and the game was decently long (I'd say 30-40 hours if you speed through) I think my last BK playthrough was in the 70s somewhere. Can't remember BKO's time but I remember I got through it faster.

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Baten Kaitos is one of those games I dismissed entirely because after Kingdom Hearts:Chain of Memories and especially PSO Episode 3, I did not need another card based battle system in my RPGs.

In hindsight, this was probably a mistake. Xenoblade is one of those games that's so good, I feel almost obliged to give their other games a shot now.

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Quarth

@Dezzy @Heavyarms55 Well put regarding the clothing talk. I agree with everything you guys have said. I think we can end this specific discussion now.

@NintendoByNature Yeah, but one helluva game!

@Dezzy Walking across those bridges in Makna still makes me feel dizzy when looking down, lol. Yeah, Satorl Marsh was really beautiful with all the colors and shimmering lights.

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Zeldafan79

I always wanted to try baten Kaitos but at the time i was just so much more interested in other games back then. I think i started that game once but never got very far. I remember it looking really pretty and colorful. I just wasn't getting the card battle system i guess. I recently played through KH re chain of memories and at first i hated the card battles. I mean i really hated it! I just kept saying why the hell did they make it like this? Ugh i just wanna play it like a regular KH game. Eventually it finally clicked for me and i understood it better. I managed to finish the whole game and now i don't hate it but it's definitely the weakest entry in the series.

As for xenoblade I've never fully completed the game but i plan to this time. I'm putting every other game on hold until this one is finished! Now scuse me i gotta go jam to engage the enemy! Killer track no?

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JoeDiddley

I’m still doing all the side quests as a means of exploring everything.

But to avoid burnout I might change tack. Are the Colony 6 side quests worth doing?

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Zeldafan79

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I always would just treat the sidequests like any old open world game. Do them if you need a break from the main story. Some are timed though and you can be locked out of them at a certain point. I just go ahead and make sure I've got them all finished before entirely leaving whatever town I'm in so i don't miss any.
Plus I'm ocd and if i leave anything unfinished i go nuts! You do get better weapons and armor from side quests than anything the shops are selling mostly.

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JoeDiddley

@Zeldafan79 I’m finding them addictive so far.

But with my eye on it being a long game I will keep doing them purposefully whilst they are a pleasure not a chore.

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Heavyarms55

@Quarth Works for me.

Also those bridges in Makna are horrifying and I'd never be able to cross one in real life... unless there was something trying to kill me that's even scarier.

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Quarth

@Heavyarms55 Well, there are some terrifying monsters in Makna, especially around Frontier Village, so the bridges are maybe safer after all.

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rallydefault

Baten Katios. Dang, that brings back memories. My roommate junior year of college played that game. Took him the whole year to beat it lol We used to mess with him for playing it because most of us would just play Smash or Guitar Hero together, and he would just squirrel away in his room to play this weird-looking RPG.

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link3710

I'd jump in on Baten Kaitos, but JaxonH already explained it pretty well. Just have to say, don't look up the story, it's spoilerific, one of my favorite moments in gaming was from the original.

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Tyranexx

Finally started the game earlier and hope to play more this evening. That was a HECK of a well-structured opening that ropes you into the action pretty quickly. I took some of my time and picked up many of the sidequests in Colony 9, though I won't be too bothered about finishing the ones that aren't timed. Unless I want a break in the main story and the objective(s) are along or aren't far off the beaten path. I had to quit right as things started getting really interesting again. Turns out that the Mechon WEREN'T exterminated....

@NintendoByNature As long as you can swap the game without any issues. At least you have other games to play lol. I'm pretty late to the party too, by release date standards.

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NintendoByNature

@Tyranexx supposed to come tomorrow thankfully. I dropped off my mangled copy today. So hopefully I get a copy that's in decent shape tomorrow 😋

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Tyranexx

@NintendoByNature Let's hope the new copy also isn't obligated to fight other JRPGs in the mail along the way....

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NintendoByNature

@Tyranexx at this point, and having to wait; I might fight off that contender myself just to get my hands on the game lol

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Tyranexx

@NintendoByNature I legit just pictured your avatar charging in with the Monado to fend off Cloud from the FF7 remake. XD

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