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Topic: [XC2 SPOILERS] How is Pneuma's raw physical strength in-universe?

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NinGem

I know while having both Mythra and Pyra's powers, she can manipulate energy and atoms in her body, as well as alter physics. So I assume she is capable of punching absurdly hard and lifting more than 200 tons...even though such feats aren't shown. She already has light speed, immortality, and "all types of feats", so I am hoping her raw power is equivalent.

Reference: https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Strength_Scale

Thoughts?

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TheJGG

Jin was one of the most powerful Blades in history, because of his super speed, and his true form ability to manipulate and absorb elementary particles. As an Ice Blade he could also decrease surrounding temperatures, or at least cool the atomic particles in the area to absolute zero, therefore stopping movement.

Pneuma's not immortal by any means, since she shares her Core Crystal with Rex, that is. But she's easily more powerful than Malos and more powerful than Jin. I'd imagine that if she became a Flesh Eater, or if their Driver fused part of their core into them (not like Rex, that seemed to be an automatic process), the result would be simply put, too powerful for comprehension. Also worth mentioning that Pneuma can use attacks for any element, so that increases her usefulness.

Those two n00bs Mythra and Pyra could only use one measly element each. Pathetic!

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NinGem

TheJGG wrote:

I'd imagine that if she became a Flesh Eater, or if their Driver fused part of their core into them (not like Rex, that seemed to be an automatic process), the result would be simply put, too powerful for comprehension. Also worth mentioning that Pneuma can use attacks for any element, so that increases her usefulness.

Flesh-eating is risky, and Rex can't become a Blade Eater, since Pneuma was split into Pyra and Mythra for most of the game.

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VoidofLight

I'd say (Spoilers for the entire series) Alvis is probably the most powerful "Blade", seeing as his core processor wasn't altered by Klaus unlike the other two, but that effectively makes him not a blade. Alvis can alter an entire universe and has both Pneuma and Logo's traits.

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NinGem

VoidofLight wrote:

I'd say (Spoilers for the entire series) Alvis is probably the most powerful "Blade", seeing as his core processor wasn't altered by Klaus unlike the other two, but that effectively makes him not a blade. Alvis can alter an entire universe and has both Pneuma and Logo's traits.

Cool, but we're discussing mainly Pneuma here.

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Matt_Barber

@NinGem Alvis is kinda relevant to understanding Pneuma though, because the endings of both games allude to each other, and both Alvis and Pneuma are ultimately shown to have the power to re-forge reality to the wishes of someone else, be it Shulk or Rex. As such, Pneuma's power is canonically infinite. Whether as Pyra, Mythra or her ultimate form she's bottling up her true strength mainly to avoid destroying the ones she loves.

So far as the game mechanics go, Pneuma isn't that strong. Her base stats are far above the other blades, but she can't receive all the buffs that the other characters can, plus obviously there's that time limit. A fully leveled up QT Pi can hit far harder for the entire duration of the battle, and the same goes for several of the DLC blades.

As such, the strongest character in the game is really Poppi. Er... I'll make my own way out...

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TheJGG

@VoidofLight Well he is Monado. He was here at the beginning and he will proclaim the end.

@NinGem Yeah, Pneuma is very connected to Alvis, so discussing Pneuma's power, means as part of the Trinity core processor she will be compared to Alvis, the third core.

@Matt_Barber Very correct; in cutscenes Pneuma's the most powerful being in the universe of the Xenoblade series but your point that she does indeed have a time limit means she loses a lot of credo when using her. I do like Corvin though, his specials are really powerful. I have no idea about advanced combat strats, I just play the game and look at lore.

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VoidofLight

I still think Alvis is more powerful, mainly because of him being unaltered, as Klaus did alter the other two in order to turn them into blades. Plus, Alvis has full control over a universe, but it just depends on the commands he's given, since he's mainly still a computer processor.

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NinGem

Matt_Barber wrote:

@NinGem Whether as Pyra, Mythra or her ultimate form she's bottling up her true strength mainly to avoid destroying the ones she loves.

Just because you're able to destroy a planet with one punch doesn't mean you should.

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TheJGG wrote:

Your point that she does indeed have a time limit means she loses a lot of credo when using her.

Now I wonder what could undo her time limit.

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DoodleBaub

These are all assumptions. She does nothing nearly as powerful as anything y’all mentioned in-game.

The most “interesting” thing she does is move quickly to match a weakened Jin.

As far as we know, her ability to “manipulate matter” is limited to making her attacks of a different element and NOTHING else. And the game seems to support this assumption more than any of y’alls.

Seriously, even the way she beats the final boss is boring. She just cuts him with her sword with Rex. Nothing special even happens. If she was even half as strong as y’all are describing her to be, she’d blown him up from the start.

She can’t even fly with her “matter manipulation” powers. They’re not nearly as strong as y’all think.

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She’s not very strong at all. She died from an explosion. A strong one to be sure, but I’m pretty sure even some of the stronger XCX Skells could’ve tanked it.

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TheJGG

@DoodleBaub Very fair points, it's a shame her abilities are seemingly so contrived.

In future if you'd like to use spoiler tags, do this, of course minus the spaces: [spoiler ] Text[/spoiler ]

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@TheJGG

Thanks for the tip!

It’s still possible that the devs just had to cut her more interesting abilities due to time. I remember hearing that the game was rushed in development, but I’m not 100% on that. The lag spikes the game can have point to “yes” though.

If they ever make another Xenoblade game, they’ll likely bring all of the protagonists back for the DLC. It’s entirely possible that they may show off some of the powers she couldn’t show in XC2. Inversely, they may also solidify the fact that she may not be very strong at all canonically. That future DLC will likely give us all of the answers, and we just have to wait for it to come out.

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@TheJGG

Wait, you joined 1 year from today exactly?

Happy Anniversary, dude!

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VoidofLight

I feel like they might not bring back the other protagonists, or might depending on what 3 ends up being based on exactly. It's hard to actually imagine what Xenoblade 3 will be honestly. (heavy spoilers for the entire series) I wouldn't mind if 3 took place before the events of Klaus destroying the universe, expanding the world and the lore behind it before it got completely destroyed. However, we'd probably know the ending, and won't fight a god like the other two games. They could also make an entirely new universe, and focus on the conduit or something.

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TheJGG

@DoodleBaub I'm very surprised at the amount of polish the game had despite being in development for less than two years. Must have been shockingly efficient. And as we've seen from the paid and free DLC rollouts (adding Pneuma's Level 4 Special for NG+) some content was released for free post-launch, such as New Game +, Easy Mode, and more.

Like a Makoto Shinkai film I do hope we'll get Rex, Pyra and Mythra, in as DLC characters along with the usual Shulk and Fiora. I never though about there being a next Xenoblade game, but hopefully something gets revealed within a year.

And indeed, I joined 24-03-20, so thank you! In that I'll extend a welcome to the site since you joined only a few hours ago.

@VoidofLight God I'm excited to see how they expand the lore. The connection between 2 and 1 was quite genius.

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VoidofLight

@TheJGG 2 wasn't my favorite, especially compared to the original, but I'd be lying if I said that I hated the birth of a new universe scene. I really really loved how they did it in Xenoblade 2, making Klaus more human, and not just a egotistical madman. I loved how they expanded the creation of the universe itself, connecting not just the first two xeno games, but potentially Saga and Gears as well, with the conduit looking really similar to the Zohar.

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DoodleBaub

@TheJGG

The sheer amount of great DLC the game had is certainly one of its strengths. Torna was essentially a full game as DLC that was better than the main game IMO, and most of the rest of what they added was just fantastic. Massive Melee Mythra alone adds so much to both the gameplay and her character design. I wish Pyra had something similar, which is not too unreasonable to hope for with her recent inclusion in Smash. I might not necessarily agree with your view of the game’s polish though, since I certainly have my problems with the game. Ignoring the game’s weird bugs, glitches, and fairly constant softlocks and crashes (I had 4 on my last playthrough), I feel like the game’s story could’ve easily been 2x-3x better with a second draft either rewriting or flat-out removing certain parts, especially but not exclusively in the first fourth of the game.

@VoidofLight

Your idea for the sequel sounds awesome. I think Xenoblade X needs a sequel more than Xenoblade 1/2 though. Their story is complete in my eyes. I don’t think you could add anything to that moment Klaus had that could make it better. I think We can mix your idea with the X sequel though. We still don’t know if XCX is a sequel, prequel, or unrelated, but it’s entirely possible that Mira eventually becomes the Earth from XC2’s backstory. A sequel to X could both help the first game’s ending make more sense and give us a taste of how everything was before the events Klaus caused, if only separated by a great amount of time.

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@VoidofLight

XC2 had a lot of fantastic moments, especially with Zeke, Nia, and Morag, but I agree with you. I’d put it below the other two Xenoblade games in terms of quality combat-wise, while story-wise X and 2 are pretty much at the same place below 1’s for different reasons. The connections it has to the rest of the Xeno series are probably up there in the Top 10 moments in the Xenoblade series though. The DLC cutscenes with Shulk, Fiora, and Elma (both inside and outside of the Land of Challenge) are the things I look forward to the most on any playthrough, KOS-MOS and T-elos are fantastic additions to the game as Blades, and everything about Klaus in the last 2-ish chapters make everything I didn’t enjoy about the game more than worth it. I genuinely squeed when I heard Shulk say the line he says before killing Zanza for the first time. It was such a powerful moment.

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VoidofLight

@DoodleBaub the last chapter was unironically my favorite due to how they connect honestly

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