Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

Yeah, Ninty live in their own bubble which is both in and out of the gaming world which is more often seen as crossover rather than the forefront.

It’s like how movie studios are outside of Hollywood or indie bands that are strong in charts and selling out tours but aren’t pop stars or WWE which is neither sport nor theatrical art.

@Grumblevolcano
Spider-Man is because the game just released a year or two ago, 10 million people bought it, and is already being repackaged and sold again.

Pikmin 3 is a completely different circumstance. It released nearly a decade ago, and barely 1 million people played it.

Note that when older 7th gen games are ported to current gen, like Ni No Kuni, with literally zero enhancements (aside from benefiting from performance on stronger hardware), everyone hyped it up and bought it.

That being said, the underlying point is that the game would get coverage. But because it’s a Switch title, it’s treated as if it doesn’t even exist. Not even worth the breath to mention.

@Grumblevolcano The distinction to make is that Pikmin 3 was a game that released like almost 10 years ago at this point on a system that next to no one owned, so in that regard Nintendo could probably get away with reselling it as a new game since for a lot of people who didn't own Wii U's that's exactly what it is

Spider-Man is a two year old game, released on the best selling console of the generation which quickly became the fastest selling game based on a comic book character and did like double the sales numbers of Batman Arkham Knight during the same elapsed time period since release. Everyone who owned the game, which was a much larger amount of people compared to Pikmin 3 on Wii U, have probably already played it, and considering the PS5 is already backwards compatible with PS4 games with specific enhancements, there's practically next to no reason this re-release should exist.

@TheFrenchiestFry I'm looking more at the comparisons between stuff like Spider-Man and The Last of Us. There was a lot of hype surrounding the first few years of 8th gen having remasters of late 7th gen games but now there's backlash over 9th gen having remasters of late 8th gen games. It's like because of Microsoft's actions with backwards compatibility from 2015, XB1X enhancements from 2017 and smart delivery from 2020 the expectation is free upgrade. So if Pikmin 3 was a late 360 era exclusive, people would've expected it via backwards compatibility with free XB1X and Series X enhancements.

Good thing Nintendo is releasing these nearly 10 year old games again for full price. No one played. Pikmin 3, super Mario 3d world, DK tropical freeze mariokart 8 etc.
No one buying these games were not Nintendo’s fault. It was all of ours fault.

Eh, I wouldn’t say it’s “our” fault. Nintendo made great games for the Wii U, but the hardware is part of the equation. Wii U had an interesting idea, and personally I enjoyed the game pad in a number of titles, The fact is it wasn’t an appealing concept to most people, The operating system was the most sluggish of any console ever released, and it still relied on the Wiimote, a clunky 7th gen controller, for many of its games.

That’s on Nintendo.

But they’re doing right now by providing these games on a system most people actually want to play games on, and, lest we forget, actually offering them as handheld titles for the first time. Whenever a game released on 3DS or Vita, people appreciated getting a handheld version. That alone was enough to justify the release. And I think a lot of people tend to overlook that fact- every Switch port is a handheld release, and not just a handheld release, but a handheld hybrid release (which goes one step farther than just being a handheld version). That justifies basically every single game ported to the system.

When a PS3 game is ported to PS4, or a PS4 game is ported to PS5, you’re buying the same thing you already had. Sure, you’re getting a frame rate increase and a res bump “from HD to even more HD”, and it’s not that such benefits aren’t appreciated, it’s just a hard sell to repurchase an entire game for. I rebuy games for Switch because it offers tangible benefits over the previous versions. And I’d probably even rebuy Switch games for Switch 2 if it meant upgrading from 540p handheld to 720p and 720p docked to 1080p. But that’s because resolution increases are much more valuable when you’re on the lower end of the spectrum.

@Grumblevolcano With stuff like Last of Us and Uncharted it made sense to bring those over because the PS4 was incapable of playing PS3 games physically, and Last of Us especially benefitted from making the jump pretty quickly because it was released incredibly late into the PS3 generation.

Both of the next gen consoles don't have that restriction. PS5 can play virtually the entire library of PS4 games with enhancements thanks to Game Boost and Xbox Series X's backwards compatible library is on a scale I don't even think the Virtual Console was ever able to match in terms of the sheer amount of games representing each console generation. This time there's way less of an excuse to go out of your way to remaster games from the last gen because they're either not that old as Spider-Man, or are natively enhanced as is when played on current gen hardware.

Well the discussion was "If Pikmin 3 was a PS or Xbox exclusive, would it get more attention?"

Nintendo's approach with $60 ports works for them because:

1. The Wii U and GC were commercial failures
2. Wii U and Switch are the only HD Nintendo systems
3. Switch is a hybrid (home + handheld) where both docked and handheld can be HD (docked is up to 1080p, handheld is up to 720p)

There's not really comparisons with these 3 points regarding the others. Closest would be about the Vita but Sony supported the Vita a lot less than Nintendo did the Wii U (Vita support was mostly by 3rd parties) so you end up with things like Persona 4 Golden coming to PC instead of PS4 which is nowhere near comparable with the Nintendo games from previous Nintendo systems ported to Switch.

@Grumblevolcano It's more comparable to Gravity Rush and Tearaway being ported to PS4 if anything. I doubt SEGA even considered putting P4G on PS4 at all since the PC version was their idea in the first place, and they already put out Catherine as both a promo tie in to Full Body and as a test for seeing how PC players respond to Atlus games on the platform.

@WahooTime It was certainly Nintendos fault. They were resting on their laurels after the runaway success the Wii was and just expected the Wii U to do the same. It failed miserably.
It was barely advertised or promoted, had a clunky UI, a sluggish OS, and a weird giant controller. Sure, it had some great games, but as the Wii U has certainly proven, a handful of great games aren't enough to move a system that has a host of other problems. It's not our fault Nintendo didn't make a system will appeal to the masses. Like we're not the reason the Switch is a huge success. Nintendo just learned from their mistake and made a product that has huge mass appeal.
Re-releasing those games now is a good thing because they deserve better than to be left to history exclusive in the library of a massive failure of a system.

@WahooTime No it was still Nintendo's fault. It was their fault they got too comfortable and softened up after the Wii's success and thought they could get away with marketing a console that relied to heavily on its more successful predecessor's branding. Not even to mention the third party output was miserable and the console would be outclassed within a year by both the PS4 and Xbox One spec wise.

They also made some serious stinkers first party wise during that generation like Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival and arguably Star Fox Zero.

@Shadowthrone @TheFrenchiestFry
I agree. Sorry guys/gals it was a sarcastic post.

I knew I had to put a S at the end 😉

People keep bringing up amiibo Festival and Ultra Smash but it's likely that if the Wii U lasted longer, these titles would've likely been part of a bigger title. The modes in Ultra Smash would've likely been extras for Mario Tennis Aces and amiibo Festival would've likely been a selectable mode in New Horizons.

What likely happened was when MK8 and Smash Wii U came too late to convince people to buy a Wii U, Nintendo abandoned the Wii U (so sometime before NX was announced in March 2015, Nintendo had moved on). Games that had already been announced were kept (Splatoon, Woolly World, Mario Maker, XCX, Star Fox Zero, TMS#FE), everything else was moved to Switch (BotW, another wave of MK8 DLC which became exclusive cart content for MK8 Deluxe, Project Giant Robot which became a Labo kit, Mario Tennis Aces, Fire Emblem Three Houses, Luigi's Mansion 3, Animal Crossing New Horizons, maybe Mario Odyssey, etc.).

To fill in some gaps the "demos" Ultra Smash and amiibo Festival were released, Twilight Princess HD was a release like Wind Waker HD (releases while waiting for BotW), Mario & Sonic is tied to the actual Olympics (except 2020) and Color Splash if not released on Wii U probably would've ended up like Pikmin 4.

could the mysterious character of Hyrule Warriors:Age of Calamity apear in Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild 2?or she/he gonna die in Hyrule Warriors:Age of Calamity?(most likely to happen).

This is interesting, probably true, and a bit sad.

I think this perception is why videogames are both a cultural and commercial juggernaut that rakes in billions of dollars worldwide — and, also, a niche phenomenon. This is changing thanks to casual and mobile gamers, but it still largely rings true.

Of course, the whole "videogames are for children" argument breaks into pieces if you look at it for about two seconds. Go to your local park and you'll see senior citizens playing chess. Go to a library and you'll see senior citizens reading books. Videogames are both games and narratives. There's nothing about them that requires they be only for children. But cultural stereotypes die hard and the long road to legitimacy will be winding indeed.

@Shadowthrone exactly Nintendo marketing eforts for Wii U was ridiculous, lot of people incluiding me trough Wii U was some kinda of next gen acessory for Wii, it doesnt matter if you have a amazing console if you dont market to non-gamers how unique it can be compared to it antecessor, since Nintendo dint market Wii U well and by severals interview i read, even Nintendo dint know how to show how unique Wii U is compared to Wii, since Wii U was Nintendo worst selling console(Virtual Boy don't count) Nintendo must have trought, is a shame that a lot of people dint expierence the amazing games we(Nintendo) and your partners(Platinum Games for example) we have on Wii U,Switch is selling like hotcakes, why not release this game in Switch(our must sucefull console to date).

@WahooTime i woulnt say that was our fault that this game you mentioned dint sell well, it was more faut on the abymal marketing during the Wii U era(if you dont market well your console until it release)it could have severe consequences on your thinking in buying this console and it games, i wonder if Nintendo released a mainline Animal Crossing game like Animal Crossing New Horizons on Wii U, istead of Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival, could this helped Wii U well better?

@Grumblevolcano yes i believe when Nintendo realized that Wii U was a failure,a lot of games they possibily have planned to Wii U like a mainline Animal Crossing game or a Metroid game, they moved all it development to Switch, if you remember well during the E3 2019 Treehouse segment, Kensuke Tanabe and the director of Luigi Mansion 3, mentioned something of a Wii U version, maybe the reveal trailer Luigi Mansion 3 was using the assets of the canceled Wii U version of Luigi Mansion 3?

Most well-adjusted adults like to occasionally remember what it was like to be young and apprehend the universe with a sense of naive romanticism (or, at least, without the world-weariness that comes naturally with experience). Nintendo's games can tap directly into that.

Great. Another 1/7 scale figure I feel compelled to buy. Thought KOS-MOS from Xenoblade 2 would be the last one. And then Melia from Xenoblade Chronicles was announced. And now Lynn from Fire Emblem GBA.

It’s unfortunate, but this push to legitimize gaming by only embracing the side of it that can be characterized as “thought provoking” and “serious”, is a direct result of those very people failing to accept gaming themselves.

They’re ashamed of what gaming really is, so instead of working to erode the social stigma against it, they’d rather see all of gaming transformed into something they feel others will more readily accept. Instead of presenting gaming for what it is and working to change others’ perceptions about it, their insecurities lead them to work toward changing gaming itself.

I never try to masquerade my hobby as more than it is, and I never cower from telling people my hobby is gaming. I normalize it by not being ashamed.