@BiasedSonyFan
I can speak for some, at least. Your argument, though, is highly illogical: That you know what 100% of Nintendo's target market is thinking/what they want. And you try to criticize me speaking up? Give me a break.
And yea, the Wii wasn't HD. But why do you people keep going back to the Wii? The Wii was brilliant on Nintendo's part. Yes, they hit a bubble at JUST the right time and bottled lightning. It was amazing. But that didn't happen previous, nor has it happened since. Comparing everything to the Wii, in MY opinion, is also illogical. It's like comparing every football play to that ONE TIME your guy threw for an 80-yard touchdown. Yea - everything else is going to be terrible in contrast. And for you to expect that kind of thing again just doesn't make sense. It ain't gonna happen.
Also, why are you bringing size of the TV into the matter? I own a 50-inch HDTV. That is not "gigantic." And I run my Xbox One/PS4 on it with excellent results, in my opinion. Yes, 4k TVs only come in larger sizes, but again, you're being illogical. There IS a very noticeable upgrade between HD and UHD. Twice the difference, to be very technical. And you CAN see the difference. You're like one of those standard-def holdouts: "Well, I can't see the difference <grumble grumble>" while literally EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM thinks you're insane.
Come on, man. You're up to your usual antics: being contrarian just for the sake of raising some cane.
And your statement about them seeming to not be concerned with 4k for the NX? We literally know NOTHING about the NX aside from it being Nintendo's next gaming hardware. Every comment you make is just pure emotion and "I feel this way" on your part: You seem to care nothing for the actual facts.
My God, Nintendo! Can't you see what you're doing to us? We're so burnt out on premature hype we're bickering about whether there's an appreciable difference between Full HD and UHD image quality!
End this now, Nintendo, we're just not gonna last much longer...
You guys had me at blood and semen.
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@gcunit Wouldn't mind that - I get hungry gaming! ;D
@Therad This doesn't sound like "just" a outsourced cloud server for online games. It specifically mentions local computing and cloud computing for graphics and such:
A gaming system, comprising: a game console comprising one or more processors configured to locally execute a game and provide video output of the game to a display and audio output of the game to a speaker, the game console including a physical network interface and a wireless communication interface; and a supplemental computing device configured to detachably couple to the game console via the physical communication interface, the supplemental computing device comprising: one or more processors configured to provide, over the physical communication interface, processing resources to the game console to assist the game console in locally executing the game; and memory for receiving data associated with the game from the game console and storing the data for later access by the game console wherein the game console is further configured to couple, via the wireless communication interface, to another supplemental computing device, the another supplemental computing device including one or more processors to provide processing resources to the game console and memory for providing storage resources to the game console.
...Relatively close supplemental computing devices may be able to provide services at a nearly real-time speed (e.g. processing real-time graphics and sound effects), while relatively far away devices may only be able to provide asynchronous or supplementary support to the events occurring on the console (e.g. providing for weather effects in games, artificial intelligence (AI), etc.). In some cases the supplementary support provided by the supplemental computing devices could be based on a best-effort basis. For example, in a computer chess game, some amount of onboard AI may be possible on board the console to provide relatively quick analysis, but supplemental computing devices may perform additional AI analysis. If the additional analysis is not received from the supplemental computing devices within a threshold time, the console can use what is available to it (e.g. the analysis done by the console or by any supplemental computing device that has returned its respective AI analysis).
@BiasedSonyFan Maybe Tegra could upscale, but it can't do native 4K for anything except media.
4K is being adopted faster than 1080p. Just 46% of American households had a HD TV in 2010. HD TVs entered the TV market in 2000, I think? So 4K TVs are expected to be in 50% of American households in about half the time it took for HD TVs reached the same adoption rate (by 2020).
Which is why I said UHD-TVs are about at the point HDTVs were in 2006
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@BiasedSonyFan
I can speak for some, at least. Your argument, though, is highly illogical: That you know what 100% of Nintendo's target market is thinking/what they want. And you try to criticize me speaking up? Give me a break.
And yea, the Wii wasn't HD. But why do you people keep going back to the Wii? The Wii was brilliant on Nintendo's part. Yes, they hit a bubble at JUST the right time and bottled lightning. It was amazing. But that didn't happen previous, nor has it happened since. Comparing everything to the Wii, in MY opinion, is also illogical. It's like comparing every football play to that ONE TIME your guy threw for an 80-yard touchdown. Yea - everything else is going to be terrible in contrast. And for you to expect that kind of thing again just doesn't make sense. It ain't gonna happen.
Also, why are you bringing size of the TV into the matter? I own a 50-inch HDTV. That is not "gigantic." And I run my Xbox One/PS4 on it with excellent results, in my opinion. Yes, 4k TVs only come in larger sizes, but again, you're being illogical. There IS a very noticeable upgrade between HD and UHD. Twice the difference, to be very technical. And you CAN see the difference. You're like one of those standard-def holdouts: "Well, I can't see the difference <grumble grumble>" while literally EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM thinks you're insane.
Come on, man. You're up to your usual antics: being contrarian just for the sake of raising some cane.
And your statement about them seeming to not be concerned with 4k for the NX? We literally know NOTHING about the NX aside from it being Nintendo's next gaming hardware. Every comment you make is just pure emotion and "I feel this way" on your part: You seem to care nothing for the actual facts.
Two things, 4k (2160p) has four times the pixels count of 1080p.
Notice the chart there, you can follow it to the source to get a more technical account. And yes, with a viewing distance of 9 feet, we see that a 70 inch is the minimum you need if you have perfect eye sight.
@gcunit Wouldn't mind that - I get hungry gaming! ;D
@Therad This doesn't sound like "just" a outsourced cloud server for online games. It specifically mentions local computing and cloud computing for graphics and such:
A gaming system, comprising: a game console comprising one or more processors configured to locally execute a game and provide video output of the game to a display and audio output of the game to a speaker, the game console including a physical network interface and a wireless communication interface; and a supplemental computing device configured to detachably couple to the game console via the physical communication interface, the supplemental computing device comprising: one or more processors configured to provide, over the physical communication interface, processing resources to the game console to assist the game console in locally executing the game; and memory for receiving data associated with the game from the game console and storing the data for later access by the game console wherein the game console is further configured to couple, via the wireless communication interface, to another supplemental computing device, the another supplemental computing device including one or more processors to provide processing resources to the game console and memory for providing storage resources to the game console.
...Relatively close supplemental computing devices may be able to provide services at a nearly real-time speed (e.g. processing real-time graphics and sound effects), while relatively far away devices may only be able to provide asynchronous or supplementary support to the events occurring on the console (e.g. providing for weather effects in games, artificial intelligence (AI), etc.). In some cases the supplementary support provided by the supplemental computing devices could be based on a best-effort basis. For example, in a computer chess game, some amount of onboard AI may be possible on board the console to provide relatively quick analysis, but supplemental computing devices may perform additional AI analysis. If the additional analysis is not received from the supplemental computing devices within a threshold time, the console can use what is available to it (e.g. the analysis done by the console or by any supplemental computing device that has returned its respective AI analysis).
@BiasedSonyFan Maybe Tegra could upscale, but it can't do native 4K for anything except media.
Observe, the "may". You are right in that a SCD could bump the graphical power if it is connected directly to the console, basically a SLI-setup. But they wouldn't be able to transfer graphics in this way over wireless. To be able to send and receive a single frame at 30fps, they have 33ms to send information to another unit, let it process it and send it back. This would mean that the SCD must be vastly more powerful than the console itself, since it would be able to render it much faster.
AI and server architecture is where the mythical SCD could shine, but don't expect them
An SLI setup could plug one of the problems Nintendo has, namely being cheap or powerful. But wouldn't it be easier to just sell two variants of the console in that case? Pro and Basic?
@Therad It was quite an optimistic take on things. Stuff mentioned incl 'twice as powerful as PS4, just under PS4 Pro', Vanquish 2, Final Fantasy 6 remake, an architecture that supposedly renders the differences between ARM and x86 irrelevant so anything goes....
You guys had me at blood and semen.
What better way to celebrate than firing something out of the pipe?
@IceClimbers Don't you mean that Tenkay isn't a reliable source?
I think PlayerEssence never claimed to have insider info. OJ is only reporting on rumors from other people.
@gcunit There was no "red herring" (i.e. implausible) bits in these rumors, but they also sound like soothsaying - exactly the kind of things fans would like to hear.
High powered home console, lots of third party support, two different devices which might share the same game library...
@Therad You're right about the potential uses and issues with an SCD, but I just wanted to show that the patent indeed has talk about graphics processing too.
Think we're into that two-week period now that if we don't hear about an NX reveal date by the end of it, then it's definitely going to come after Pokemon Sun/Moon and November is gonna be a looongggg wait
@MarcelRguez Who would "believe upon" OJ in the first place? He's only a reporter and a speculator.
The pressure to deliver is on Tenkay and the Brazilian game site.
You're right on the FFVI remake. That sounds implausible, seeing that there's already so many unfinished projects going on at SE right now. They could announce it though, only being in the planning stage.
It was quite an optimistic take on things. Stuff mentioned incl 'twice as powerful as PS4, just under PS4 Pro', Vanquish 2, Final Fantasy 6 remake, an architecture that supposedly renders the differences between ARM and x86 irrelevant so anything goes....
Yeah, and a third party candidate is going to win the US election....
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I reckon the rumours that have suggested that there's an aspect to the device that hasn't been announced yet is the scroll pads. Might also fit the Ubisoft quotes.
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