I'm in the same boat. Looking to build my next rig in the next year or two. Will be the third or fourth I've built. I've been assembling some of the time-proof components when I see them on sale (case, power, etc.), but I'm waiting on GPU. There is a GPU "generation" change coming up soon, so there will be huge discounts on existing stuff, even top of the line stuff, over the next year.
What do you think about the CPU? I mean, it’s a nice, hefty upgrade over what I had, and from what I’ve researched it’s at least twice as powerful as what the PS4 Pro has, but is it enough for 4K 60 once I do upgrade the GPU? I used the userbenchmark site and scored, presently, 52% for gaming, 73% for desktop. Which, I suppose isn’t bad given the relatively limited GPU. I guess what I’m asking is, when I do upgrade, should I also go for an even better CPU? Or should this one suffice provided it’s paired with a top shelf GPU?
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced
What do you think about the CPU? I mean, it’s a nice, hefty upgrade over what I had, and from what I’ve researched it’s at least twice as powerful as what the PS4 Pro has, but is it enough for 4K 60 once I do upgrade the GPU?
@JaxonH
Hrm… Ryzen 5 2600? You should be totally fine even for 4k, but you'll definitely need a gpu upgrade. Remember, even though a nice cpu is never a drawback, the old adage for PC gaming remains: your gpu is key.
More PC games are utilizing the Ryzen cores (I'm running a Ryzen 7 1700 with 8 cores right now, actually), which is nice and may give you the bump to reach playable frames in some games at 4k, but your gpu is still going to mostly determine what you can do. The RX 480 you have will struggle with frame rates at 4k. You def won't get 60fps in current games at 4k.
Most people recommend the 1080ti as a "baseline" gpu for 4k gaming. It's 2 years old at this point, but it can still be pricey if you don't find a deal. Not saying you need one, just throwing it out there as maybe a middle ground to look at other cards that are a bit below it. Have you heard of the forum Tom's Hardware? Check it out. Really good place for any PC gaming/hardware questions.
And just to stress: absolutely no need to upgrade that Ryzen cpu. It will be totally fine for 4k gaming. But gpu's that can truly truly handle 4k gaming at 60fps can still cost a pretty penny, which is mostly why people like me aren't taking that plunge yet.
@Ralizah@rallydefault
Well, I was thinking RX 590, but when I ran some simulations on pcbuilds to see how the upgrade would affect framerates at 1080p/1440p/2160p on low/medium/high/ultra settings, I realized it made little to no difference aside from 1080p low settings which jumped the framerate, which was already over 60.
So I did some experimenting in the simulator and I discovered that even with more powerful GPUs, like AMD RX 5700 or Vega-64... same result. Only when I threw in the Nvidia RTX 2080 did I see a tangible jump that could translate into enjoying higher settings or resolution, and even then, it was limited by the CPU.
So I then changed the CPU to the Ryzen 5 3600 and saw a fair bit of additional gain when combined with the RTX 2080 (and an upgrade to 16GB of RAM, but I’m going to do that regardless). So now I’m debating if I should grab both the Ryzen 5 3600 (and just sell the 2600 my bro got me to help cover costs) and RTX 2080 to compliment, or go with a lower RX 5700 or Vega-64 and keep the 2600. But again I didn’t really see any significant gains for that upgrade, be it Monster Hunter World, Rise of the Tomb Raider or Wolfenstein 2.
Which makes me think if I’m going to do it, may as well do it right. Just upgrade both and get a noticeable jump that could push 1440p 60fps at high/ultra settings across the board.
Idk if 4K is worth chasing right now, since 60 FPS would be a priority and not something I’d sacrifice to obtain it. And the price to attain both seems absurd. 1440p 60 at Ultra seems attainable though...
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced
@JaxonH
Yea, you seem to be on the right track in your thinking. 4k gaming is definitely more in reach nowadays, but it still requires expensive gpu's that people like me just can't afford. 2k (1440p) is a nice middle ground that a lot of people have gone to; my next rig will be a 2k rig, for sure.
Like I said, I'm running a Ryzen 7 1700 with a Radeon 390. I have zero issues running stuff like Overwatch and WoW at ultra settings and over 60fps, and even things like Division 2 and Tom Clancy Siege I can usually do around high settings at 60fps, but that's all still at 1080p (although I do have a dual-monitor setup, so something to be said about that taking a bit of power, too).
I have used those websites that will run hardware stats like that, but I'm telling you, your cpu is not going to be the bottleneck for most games. The vast majority of pc games are still gpu dependent, not cpu dependent or even use the cpu as much as they could. As an example, WoW has been out for 15 years and only recently updated its coding to allow for more utilization of cpu's with lots of cores. I did some research into your Ryzen chip, and most people did not see it as a barrier even for 4k gaming as long as you fit your mobo with good RAM (3200). Those hardware configurators are nice to get ballpark figures, but won't be 100% accurate to what you're actually going to get. Multi-monitors, overclocking, clearing RAM, etc. will all also affect your output.
So, in my opinion, your cpu/gpu combo will be good for 2k gaming. I think you can hit 60fps with a lot of games, though absolute cutting-edge intensive stuff might be an issue. And honestly, nudging options down to a mixture of high/ultra is usually not a noticeable difference to the eye but can make huge difference in saving frames.
Interesting, Switch consoles (not the Lite, only the models that can actually switch) are out of stock. Nintendo UK store, GAME, Amazon, etc. all gone except a few MK8 Deluxe bundles on Amazon meanwhile Switch Lite is very plentiful in stock.
Wonder if it's just Nintendo underestimating demand or if it's something to do with that rumoured "Switch Pro".
@Grumblevolcano Since the regular New 3DS models kept selling out, the main reason I preordered the Switch for the midnight launch was to get a switch before stores struggle to keep them in stock. I think Nintendo seems to aim production toward avoiding big surpluses.
Also, I think it's just a matter of time before people endearingly call the regular switch, the "Switch Heavy". Partly because it sounds funny, and to parody the old Public Enemy lyric, "My uzi weighs a ton". If people don't, I still like it
I ended up ordering an AMD RX 5700 GPU, a cooler for my CPU (and for future proofing upgrades), another 4TB 7200rpm HDD with SATA adapter, and 2 8gb sticks of RAM 3200mhz.
A decent upgrade for now, until next generation stuff hits the market. But this should cover 1440p gaming at 60fps high to ultra settings. Hopefully.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Zachariah 12:10 (500 yrs before Christ)
They will look on Me whom they pierced
@Woomy_NNYes The fact that Nintendo is so conservative with their stock is the main reason they weathered the last generation and came out with an actual profit. I mean, outside of the Animal Crossing Amiibos, I can't recall the last time that any of their products were clearly overstocked. Labo maybe, but not significantly from what I could tell. Plus, I think it benefits by giving retailers confidence that their stock will sell in a reasonable amount of time.
So we will officially be getting SMT V information at some point in 2020. That pretty much confirms it as a 2020 or 2021 game in my book. Considering it's been under development for just over three years now, I'm betting on 2020. Also, we have confirmation of a new Warriors game coming for the 20th anniversary (no surprise), a new NieR is coming (probably not to Switch but)
Whenever i heard about new games in development from Famitsu or whichever, i just completely ignoring them since i only looking the underrated / unusual games yet still captivating me.
I just felt those games above will never fit for me.
And not even called a game.
2020 will be my time for PS3 & PSP hunting and i take a break for a while from adding my Switch games until i got quite a lot PS3 & PSP games.
I will not worry about upcoming Switch games on 2020 since i have made a list which games i could pending until i have a chance to buy them.
2020 will be my Retro games time.
@link3710 I'm guessing if it's 2020, it'll only be for Japan (e.g. holiday 2020 for Japan, fall 2021 for rest of the world). Atlus is still infamous for long gaps between Japan and rest of the world releases.
@JaxonH
lol yea you will be more than fine for 2k with that setup. My R9 390 can push some 2k stuff if/when I decide to shell out for a 1440 monitor (price are really coming down, so maybe soon).
I seriously went overboard with grabbing games on sale this holiday season since thanksgiving. I haven't had a backlog like this in ever. And they're not just smaller titles, but bigger releases ( most of them at least). Playing thru axiom verge atm as well as ac3. But I still have the following waiting for me when im done with them..
the witcher 3
Darksiders 2
RE5
Shakedown Hawaii
Unravel 2
Bastion
South Park: Fractured but Whole
Not to mention all of those free qubic games which I'll honestly only play a few, but still..mana spark looks like a decent time. Still have sword that i chip away at too. Ill Be set for a few months and thankfully, outside of a couple games coming in February( dmc3 and megaman zx collection, theres not much for me until trials of mana in april.
Lols, Witcher 3 is long, assuming you want to do most 'optional' stuff and expansions, @NintendoByNature .... Dunno about all the rest but certainly got to be plenty to last you
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