Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@Grumblevolcano 3H renewed my faith in IS, but the long decline of PM had me really doubting IS as competent at anything but FE.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-10-02-virtuos-gam...

A very intriguing article from Virtuos explaining why publishers and developers should be bringing games to Switch, especially day and date with other releases.

@Dogorilla Or they could simply just restore Paper Mario to the way it was before.

Some years ago, they said that Mario & Luigi is the Mario RPG series, thus Paper Mario can't be RPG anymore. I found that very strange as Paper Mario came first, and thus M&L felt like a distinct handheld series. That's a tangent, though. My point is - what is stopping Paper Mario from becoming the RPG series again, now?

Of course, there's a lot of assumptions there - that M&L still can't be continued one way or another, and that making M&L the only Mario RPG series was actually a simple decision of only wanting one series to be RPG series and not something more complex.

Either way, the want for Paper Mario to return to form is a rather popular viewpoint. Nintendo ought to know that the demand is there.

I'm probably being too optimistic thinking that this might be the signal for Paper Mario to return to its old style, but I'll take hope for that wherever I can find it, because Paper Mario and TTYD were something really great.

@Harmonie Part of it, honestly, is simply that I don't think Nintendo likes making RPGs at all. They're big, require large teams, and cost a lot of money and time to product. Nintendo likes quick games to churn out with small teams. Monolith was purchased as kind of "the RPG company" and Zelda has slowly become RPG-ish, but I think that's really as far as they want to go with that.

Heck, even the original Super Mario RPG was really a Squaresoft game with Nintendo help.

Edit( And of course FE, though a TRPG is a little different in many ways.)

@link3710 Feels too early for more FE, we only just got Three Houses and the timing of Echoes being so close to Fates seemed like a result of Nintendo's plan to make the Switch both a Wii U and 3DS replacement.

But if another FE game for Switch comes that early (outside of Three Houses' story DLC being released like Torna), I could see 2020 having a Color Splash port.

I don't think M&L would be cancelled just because AlphaDream went under. Hudson Soft also went under and yet Mario Party games were still being made. Hell, I'm pretty sure those former Hudson Soft employees moved to NDcube.

@DarthNocturnal Color Splash suffered from some of the same problems as Tokyo Mirage Sessions, especially timing. I remember seeing lots of people sell their Wii U systems in the months after Nintendo announced BotW was coming to NX. It was extremely common after the Switch reveal in October which was very close to when Color Splash came out.

@Grumblevolcano
TMS wasn't as hated before release as Color Splash was.

@link3710 Interesting point.

I like that these intermediary studios are getting this kind of work, but at the same time it doesn't bode well long term, because the original studios who made the games in the first place, aren't actually touching Switch. They make the game, farm it off, learn nothing about ARM Architecture or how to make a game work. So when the next game comes, or the next Switch comes, we are in the same boat, someone else does it for them.

@Harmonie Oh yeah, a (good) new Paper Mario game would be even better, I was just responding to what someone else said about the possibility of a completely new Mario RPG. Ideally I'd like to see both Paper Mario and M&L continue - both have their own merits - but I can kind of understand Nintendo's viewpoint that they don't need two Mario RPG series, so if the M&L series does end I agree they should restore PM back to its former glory instead. It's pretty much impossible to predict what Nintendo's gonna do but we'll see.

@DarthNocturnal Was it? I remember the complaining about TMS outfit changes and cut DLC being very loud and seems to be the main point of discussion for the Switch port. The quantity of complaints about battle mechanics in Color Splash seemed very tame in comparison.

Color Splash was a step in the right direction, at least compared to the embarrassment that was Sticker Star, but they still don't seem to understand why people loved earlier Paper Mario games.

@DarthNocturnal By very loud I was meaning lots of complaining, not the game being loud. Doubt it was present much if at all in reviews but in stuff like comment sections it was very common in.

I mean by all accounts TMS Hash Brown is a VERY loud game....

@DarthNocturnal I don't know how much the Hot Springs DLC added but yeah, those TMS complaints seemed rather extreme. We'll see whether history repeats itself in 3 months.

I think most of us who are expecting TMS to still be heavily censored are just ignoring the release now. There won't be a lot of anger and internet drama like when the game originally released on Wii U.

I'm looking forward to TMS, as I didn't have the chance to play it before....

I still can't believe Nintendo is selling a censored port for $60! Nintendo is so greedy sometimes.

@BruceCM I didn't get far on Wii U (dungeon chapter 1, got stuck and gave up) but I'm looking forward to playing on Switch.

@Ralizah Personaly I'm hoping its just the trailer and the actual game will be uncensored ^_^