Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@FragRed yeah that's the thing... i get this sense the hard game fetish is mostly young people that really have way too much free time and way too little actual stress in life. (Plus a subset of people that never stopped playing retro games and are just used to it.) For the rest of us we spend all day every day ready to havea heart attack..... Recreation shouldn't be adding to that. I laugh every time thres an uproar about violent video games. Doom and gta are positively zen. Give me 40 minutes of mega Man, hollow Knight, or lost levels and I'll rip and tear everyone in a ten Mile raduis with no remorse. . It's the last straw of stress in top of the already barely managed stress

@subpopz it's probably the envy/loathing of all you people with enough calm to actually feel the need to pay for stress . I'll give you some for free if you'd like?

@FaeKnight i do somewhat agree though. Lego City is timeless and I'll hear nothing otherwise but yeah some games became challengeless which i dislike as well. But nobody ever does things balanced. It's either push a to win, or it's this weird sadism of enjoying frustration and suffering. It's the video game equivalent of bdsm (heck Bowser's dressed for the occasion )

That said, even when i was 12, lost levels was never ever going to go beyond 1-2

@NEStalgia I totally agree, I also think if you are in a position to play games for hours on end for YouTube and Twitch channels, you are more likely to be in a position where these types of games will come much easier to you. For me, it's partly a lack of time, even with my Nintendo Switch being portable I am still struggling for time. I have a day job, a website to run and get off the ground and the fear of getting older every day

But also, my reaction time is just not as good as it once was. By the time I have seen something about to hit me, it's already hit me and I lost a huge chunk of health. That said, I do love arcade games now that I can just keep spamming them credits without worrying about spending a single penny.

@JaxonH ms is more open to sellinga new accessory that flops the table than Sony though. I could see "elite 2 with gyro to be enabled in all shooters only$199" from them. Then again they're adding kb mouse support that will satisfy more of the shooter hardcore. If they add it to doom and wolf the switch version may get boxed for me.

@FragRed well (sits in rocking chair) i don't even understand why anybody streams that stuff and who on Earth watches. I know a few ppl here do it buti don't understand that entire scene at all.

I agree with reaction times to point though personally I'm not sure mine are any worse than ever.... i wasnt able to escape those cheap projectiles as a kid either. . I recall throwing controllers.... And nes advantage! Quite a few times in frustration back then

Violence, language & sexual content, pretty hypocritical if you think about it
so many people have been whining and bawking about oh my, there was a curse word, the girl's butt cheeks are hanging so far out, Sir Mix-A-Lot shouted "Oh heck ya, now I remember why I like big butts !!!"
whoa, Scorpion just ripped Sub Zero's spine out...

"THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE, NO GAME SHOULD HAVE SUCH CONTENT !!!"

what is a game, it's a form of media entertainment, you just actually participate in, otherwise it's no different than movies or tv shows which no one in that same house probably cares about their kid watching, and believe me, 90% of tv/movie have content far more risque', even on broadcast tv

not all game players are kids anyway, the ratio is about over 16 60/40 less than 15 these days, it's actually easy for a 12 year to walk into Wal-Mart and get Blazing Saddles, Hellraiser & 50 Shades of Grey check out and not be questioned, but very difficult for that same 12 year old kid to walk into the same Wal-Mart and get L.A. Noir, and Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna

so why is there so much Donkey He-Hawing ???, at least retail companies are trying to help keep the games under wraps, but i never heard any God No !!! when their 14 year old is watching Deadpool (1), I mean, violence, language, drug references and gore aside, the sex scenes were pretty steamy, I mean seriously...a "Strap-on" ??? & I found a REALLY fun use for toy vampire teeth

_{Please mind your language - Octane}

@NEStalgia There's also the people like myself who find brutally hard games more relaxing than easier ones. It's just a great way to blow off steam. I mean, there's a point where it's not worth it (I never finished Grimm in Hollow Knight for example), but it also helps that I find most games utterly lacking in any sort of challenge. Doom for example, all my deaths have been from falling into bottomless pits while looking for secret areas. The combat itself has yet to provide a challenge.

@Octane
oops, no prob bro, will edit it now

Most of my DOOM deaths so far have been in the first hell level and rune trials.

@Grumblevolcano
I've hit a dead zone in DOOM in the third or forth lvl where for the life of me I cannot find how to continue

death for me came from being lost, a far more frustrating death, if you die physically, at least you can reload, get lost and that's it, I've tried using walkthroughs, but can't seem to find my way out

US eShop chart update: Super Mario Party is #1, Mega Man 11 is #3, Dragon Ball FighterZ is #5, VC4 is #16, FIFA 19 is #18, and South Park Stick of Truth is #21.

Not bad at all. I think FighterZ will have some decent legs to it, better than some of the upcoming October releases like Warriors Orochi 4 or Lego DC Supervillains.

So I'm very much enjoying super Mario party. It's seems to actively work against me at times, but I don't mind it. It's been a while since I'd had so much fun with a Mario party

@link3710 When I first played Doom 2016 I played on Ultra Violence so I died a few times. Higher difficulties are indeed more challenging and you'll die more often there. Hurt Me Plenty is much more manageable though.

@NEStalgia Some games make for amazing streaming material that is very fun to watch. Dark Souls 1 is very funny to watch as you get to see how someone tackles a boss and which one they kill in one try or which one throws up a brick wall, or what type of playstyle they use. Games that use procedural generation are also mighty fine candidates.

And of course it's all about the personality too. Most people gravitate to these guys because the guy playing a game has a personality that ticks with the viewers.

Dark Souls, I find it annoying that the people that make walkthrough videos and guides keep going on about how "easy" this boss or that one is, when the bosses or enemies are not in fact very easy. On the other hand, it's hilarious when they are going on about how easy an enemy type is (such as black knights), only to get killed by that 'easy' enemy or enemy group sixteen times in a row.

@link3710 I'm guessing you're somehow someone that wouldnt stress out in a game of Russian roulette . Seriously even as a kid, give mea stupid trap and make me repeat something more than3 times and id rage like a heavy metal rocker. And I'm a subdued person otherwise.

@EvilLucario the streaming thing i really don't get. Even less than the hard games. Again, at the risk of sounding old again it seems to be a thing for the kiddies up through college age. Not sure where the speak came from. I watch treehouse.... But that's the absolute only "streaming" that interests me even slightly. Watching "personalities" is as fun as watching paint dry. I also can't understand why people watch reality tv. 10 minutes of that and feel my brain going numb

I'm wondering if the hard game crowd is also proficient at music. The memorization and sequencing strike be as similar in mindset. I also always sucked at music of any kind. I can compare great things in my head but it can't go anywhere

Glad to see I'm not the only one feeling like that! You and @NEStalgia perfectly phrase how I personally feel towards hard games and Youtube gamers. I also don't really get the whole e-sports thing. I'm still hoping it's just a fad but I'm afraid not

@toiletduck Unfortunately e-sports aren't a fad. Just like multiplayer only games, micro transactions and games as a service, this is the way gaming is going to head more and more with each generation of gamers embracing it more and more. But it is great to see others feeling the same way about hard games, and YouTubers/Twitch streamers.

@FragRed I doubt it. Just like anything else, it'll only increase until the market hits saturation. E-sports are only ever going to be able to attract a portion of the market, far too many people only enjoy games for being games, no matter what generation they are in.

@toiletduck yeah the esports thing is here however but that REALLY had an age cap, like pro real sports, of like 25 tops. Great for kids with toooons of time i guess. Hard games seem like esports for those not good enough for esports

Also i forget that so many people do watch YouTubers to play their hard games and follow strategies..... So theyre not really doing it on their own, they're watching others do it and copying well.

@ReaderRagfish hmm surprising.... i thoughti was into something for the type of person that's good at it.

@subpopz Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about speedrunning? I can't stand livestreaming typically, but I'll watch GDQ every year to see how people approach aspects of the games I'd never see otherwise.

@subpopz interestingly I've never thought of Mario 3 was particularly difficult. I beat it so many times in the day, and it still feels perfectly playable to me. It's all about solid platform timing and not much else. Mm otoh is cheap with almost shmup like bullet storms while platforming that knocks you back, plus bosses that move at absurd speed and fill the screen without time to watch and learn. Much faster than boom boom and the koopalings that had very deliberate patterns and it was easier to accrue lives. You can't really really react to these things in mm, you have to memorize placement and timings and proactively act instead of reacting. I do find blocks level much easier now thati know where everything is beforei get there. But that's technically bad design..... Some people just kind of got fond of that.

Can't comment on souls. Played an hour or two of 3 and the switch demo of 1. I did preorder 1. I like nioh but suck at it. I loathe blood borne. But not because of difficulty but pretentiousness, bad story, map design, and a horrible disconnect at respawn (ds doesn't suffer that. I sometimes wonder if blood borne weren'ta Sony exclusive of it would be that unwanted cousin if souls instead of praised.)

@NEStalgia Huh, I actually did play the guitar and piano when I was a teenager. I wasn't amazing at music though. As a young 21 year old who grew up on playing Mario Lost Levels from Mario DX on GBC and Castlevania, I guess I just have had an affinity to challenging games.

@subpopz I don't know if I personally agree with the notion that a game needs to be hard or have some challenge to be worth my time. Pokemon in particular is one of my favorite series but that is easy as hell as RPG comfort food. Similarly, Castlevania is another, but that is pretty dang challenging with deliberate controls. Difficulty is only one aspect of a game when you also have visual feedback (not graphical fidelity, I mean visual euphoria like after something awesome in fighting games), music, level design (why Mario works so well despite being relatively easier), and other mechanics.

As for the D-Pad, I've been playing Mario 1/3 and Zelda 1 with the Joy-Cons and I feel just fine. Actually, for platformers like Mario and Sonic, I prefer the Joy-Cons because the separated buttons insure you never do accidental diagonal inputs. But if playing something like Blaster Master Zero which does require lots of diagonal inputs... yeah I guess that sucks ass.

As for the things about YouTube and Twitch, it may indeed be an age gap between people like me and you guys. But most of the time I like to follow personalities who are nice people and also have (mostly) the same taste as I do. It's a nice way to pass the time when driving to university or whatever, listening to someone talk about games. And in fact me and a group of friends are planning to start up a podcast talking about mostly JRPGs and other Japanese games, but all centered around games, so we'll be joining that oversaturated pile of people ourselves lol.