Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@Anti-Matter I mean, what disrespect exactly? It's not exactly a paragon of virture, but the premise of the game is that you save some girls who are being targeted by vampires, by tracking down the vampires and defeating them. The writing is campy and vaguely sexist, but there's nothing particularly bad in the game as far as I know.

@YummyHappyPills yup, always change their minds on these.

@JaxonH Well, of course, if it means you buy less games digitally, of course it's going to be cheaper

But it's cool that approach works for you. There was a time when I bought more games than I needed. But I usually don't buy any new games until I have finished the last one, and that is kinda working for me.

@YummyHappyPills
Its when they say they WONT do something is when you get suspicious

Hear hear

@Octane
I know alot of people who do that, but if I waited til I finished a game I'd buy 3 games a year. Just cause so many games I never finish. Like Fire Emblem Warriors. I still haven't finished it, and I play a chapter a night in spells and bursts, but I need other stuff to hop around to in the meantime.

It's just... It's really hard letting go of physical, especially after so much investment. It's like, well I already own all these Switch games, it would be incomplete to stop buying now.

Which is why I think a new generation is a good cutoff to start fresh.

@Anti-Matter
No, not even close to finishing all of them. Half of them haven't even been played beyond the first hour or two.

I'm just reminded of this again. This gets dumber and more unbelievable that this actually happened the more I think about it.

@JaxonH
So...
Your motivation to get a lot of games are just for trying one by one, whether you impressed or not, even you realized there are some crappy games ?
What if you disappointed with some of your Digital only games ? You can't Refund them.

For me, i Always find out what games that i want to buy.
I have to be careful with the games i choose.
I'm pickier, not every single games i must have or try.

Digital is amazing on portable systems, so I think that, with a few exceptions, I'll be going all-digital from now on. I might go physical in the case of something like Y's VIII, where the retail version comes with a lot of extra stuff at no extra cost, but I don't see the value in buying cartridges that can easily be lost or stolen for normal releases.

@Anti-Matter
I don't think you're following me.

Anything I buy has to interest me. So right off the bat, there will be very few "crappy games". Perhaps some mediocre games but not crappy.

And when it comes to digital, the whole point I've been making is that I would not be buying as many games. Only the very best. So there would never be "disappointment" with digital games. Because if I buy it digitally, you better believe it's top tier through and through.

But, that does happen sometimes with digital only releases. Not "crappy" games because again, they have to interest me first and I check reviews, so mediocre would be the worst case scenario. And there have been a few digital games I deemed not worth the space they're taking up. Those get deleted.

You win some, you lose some. Snake Pass got deleted. Didn't like it, and it was over 4gb of space... gone. I'd rather cut my losses and at least gain some space back than force myself to keep a game I don't like just because I bought it. Then I get doubly screwed. Once buying a game I don't like, the second time letting it occupy space the rest of the generation despite not liking it.

I’ve been playing some Celeste lately, and I’m a little mixed. I think the platforming is good, the story is captivating, controls are great, especially since I’ve only been using the Joy Con Joystick, and the music is awesome. However... those darn strawberries. I know that there optional, but as a bit of a completionist I felt obligated to get them all. However, that stopped pretty quick after my death count in one of the stages hit quadruple digits. I managed to love the game more after that, and I’m looking forward to the ending, but those colectables are easily the hardest thing in the game so far. I do think the game is great though, if the biggest complaint I have something optional then that’s not a big deal.

@TheTetrisGuy
that stopped pretty quick after my death count in one of the stages hit quadruple digits

Lol lol... yeahhh. I can relate. Screw those strawberries. Ain't worth it.

@link3710 Regarding companies not putting microtransactions in games you pay for, I know Konami has with Metal Gear Survive. Capcom and WB too.

@YummyHappyPills Eh. They've given a lot of release timeframes before and not made them. I don't necessarily hold them to that. I know things go wrong. At the same time, there could be things that they said they wouldn't do, that they managed to stay consistent and not do. However, at the end of the day, it's much less forgivable when they say that they're not going to do something scummy and then turn around and do that very thing.

I just hope they never say that they won't dabble in microtransactions.

I've heard that they're getting more aggressive with them in Animal Crossing Pocket Camp. Originally I'd cut the game some slack with its microtransactions because they were really just for impatient people and were not really hiding content. Now they are doing just that with the fortune cookies. Fortune cookies are the worst kinds of microtransactions, because you're not even guaranteed to get what you want. Fortunately they are less limited in time than other microtransaction games that do this kind of thing, BUT I guarantee people who are not paying will not get everything they will want, not even in that timeframe. It's a slippery slope. Microtransactions better stay away from non-mobile Nintendo games or I am so done.

@DarthNocturnal Mii Fighter outfits are DLC.

No paid Nintendo game has MTAs yet. I say yet, but at the same time look at Splatoon with gear rolls or Cenoblade 2 with Summons.

They COULD. They just dont.

Anyway, just saw another Labo ad. This time on ITV1

@DarthNocturnal Yeah, Smash is their only franchise. I hope it doesn't extend into other franchises. I'm not a big fan of the games as a service model. Playing those games at launch is almost pointless these days, because you're getting a better experience when you wait for a couple of months.

Someone from Nintendo has confirmed that more LABO kits are coming later this year. Not in the least bit surprising but it does kind of confirm what one of their big holiday releases will be.

@DarthNocturnal @Octane Strictly speaking the term we should use is "In-app purchases". Microtransactions are defined as simple small online transactions for...well...anything. Even shipping!

"In-app purchasing refers to the ability of a smartphone or mobile device to facilitate the sale of products or services within a specific application or "app."

So, strictly speaking in Smash 4, are the transactions done in the application itself? No, its separately downloaded as Add On Content, or DLC.

The concept is still the same though.

@Octane Not really. At what point do we label something as a Not-Micro-Transaction? At what point do they stop being "Micro"? Does small DLC packs count as "Microtransactions"?

Regarding the Mii Fighter Outfits, do those count as Microtransactions, in the way people hate them, or they are used in mobile games?

See, you cant earn the outfits. You need to buy them. They are included as DLC, on the eShop. There is no way to buy them "in0game". There is no premium currency barring them.

By this logic, would paying £4.49 for a character be a "Micro-transaction", or is that DLC?

See, that's accepted DLC. Costume packs, fighters, so on so forth, that cannot be earned normally without buying the DLC, is considered DLC. What other companies are doing, is having you be able to earn them through playing, but pushing you to either grinding, or paying up a small one time fee for a premium currency to get them.

This is a weird thing. Personally, I see all the Smash 4 stuff as DLC, because what does it have in common with IAPS other than being...a small price tag?

@TheTetrisGuy You can always go back to the strawberries later. You keep improving during the main story and the strawberries that once gave you a lot of trouble turn out to be a piece of (strawberry) cake. There's that one very evil strawberry in chapter 3 that I'm sure you know if you tried to get it. I died 50-100 times before I got it on my first run but last time I tried to get it, I got it on my second try.

Virtual currency. That's the stuff people hate. Because VC also means MTX, and it's gonna be in-game MTX people don't like.

Stuff like Mii costumes in Smash is a little more substantial than face paint and gestures in Monster Hunter, but neither of them really bother me. Reason I don't like to see stuff like that is, it's a slippery slope and the envelope is typically pushed farther and farther.

At least with Nintendo I know that's as far as they'll take it. Can't say the same for Capcom. That could change down the line, of course. Nintendo is just a for-profit company like every other. But I do believe they have a moral standing they try to adhere to, unless the future of their business depends on it. Like F2P mobile games. They didn't want to do it, clearly, they even said they wouldn't, but eventually the time came where it had to be done, and they reluctantly agreed. Even then they tried numerous other pay models to try and avoid the MTX approach. But we all knew those attempts would ultimately prove futile on mobile platforms.