Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@FragRed Later than E3 was pretty risky in general. I mean the whole point of the BotW focus at E3 was to hype people for NX but by the time the system's announced the hype will be gone, especially with the leak existing and all signs pointing towards true..

Nah there will still be a lot for people to get hyped about when it is announced:

1. There's still a lot about the NX that we don't know (assuming the concept is true)- exactly how the controller works, possibility of motion controls, tablet functionality, specs and processor.
2. We don't really know much about BotW- they can easily get people excited again by revealing a story trailer and a bit more information about the locations and races in BotW
3. What other first-party titles are there at launch (or soon after)?

@Grumblevolcano
Yea, but it's really seeming that Nintendo is going to stick to their guns and not say anything until September. And we need to remember: we're a VERY small group of people on these forums. WE may be feeling a little cagey because we've been hyping this up amongst ourselves for the past 6 months, but most people, even internet dwellers, probably aren't, and so the "wait" until September isn't exactly a wait at all. Most people will probably forget all about the NX until the next big headline on one of the big sites, which will (hopefully) be the official announcement that Nintendo can CONTROL.

@dtjive In response to your points:

1. There is certainly a lot we don't know about the NX, assuming the leaks are true, though be sure it will have motion controls if Just Dance is coming to it. I assume the controllers that detach simple re-attach to form a single unit for when at home. And it will look like the Pro Controller. Just my thoughts.
2. Does such a trailer really benefit the NX? There's 13 million Wii U owners whom are going to be able to buy this games as well. So that trailer alone isn't going to necessarily excite anyone about the NX who already own a Wii U.
3. Since the official reason given by Nintendo to the delay in revealing the NX was because they wanted the first party games to be ready, and being how the NX is mainly going to rely on first party games, these best be the absolute most amazing games in the history of launch line ups especially as the specs for the system doesn't seem to be going down too well across the Internet.

Why would those services turn down the possibility to be part of a device that would be succeeding a 10m+ (Wii U) and 60m+ (3DS) install base?

because it is only at most 60? Every device you develop for must be maintained, if it is a fringe system, it might cost more than they earn. It also needs an open development environment, which console owner historically haven't had.

Think about it like this instead, Microsoft have tried to force themselves into the smartphone market with no success despite all their money and resources. Why would Nintendo succeed where they failed?

NX will probably have as much app support as 3ds and Wii U have had. Nothing to brag about. Unless of course they have access to Android apps, either through emulation or native.

Kudos for being a voice beyond the dissonance. We're a small group of people and not significant to the market splash Nintendo will want to make.

Let Nintendo wait it out to the last possible moment. They're not that great at controlling the narrative, at least let them be great at controlling their own timing.

@erv well they need to come out someday Erv. Not everyone in the world waits for them.

And yes I know apple model but that works for phones because they come out every year. iPhone is announced and released every September. Galaxy S in March, LG G in April or May, Nexus is October, and so on. Every year.

@WebHead That is true, also generally speaking people don't have to pay as much for a new phone as they would for a new console as phones are subsidised by your contract provider. Whereas paying for a new console can quite expensive and when you consider they are a luxury item to many, it makes sense that you want to know well in advance what it is you are potentially needing to save up for.

@FragRed Well in a way you are paying more for your phone than a console, but the phone has more uses than a console. My phone plan doesn't come with free phones but it is way cheaper than what other people pay. So I normally have to pay for my phone and they are getting way too expensive now. I have had my Galaxy S5 for about a year now but it already feels slow. I think if consoles start being released every year than the components they use to make consoles will be of lower quality and won't last as long. We will see what happens but releasing a new system every 3 years with each system lasting 6 years feels perfect to me.

@DefHalan at the same time people don't pay the full price right out the gate. Providers charge in monthly installments usually. Do you know someone that bought the latest iPhone unlocked day one?

Edit: I think you're misunderstanding what frag is saying.

@WebHead You can do the same with a credit card when buying your game console. A lot of stores offer you to finance the system too. As long as your bill comes out to about a certain amount (like $500, so the system a game, and a Xbox Live or PSN 1 year membership) you can finance it, just like a phone.

@DefHalan you usually can't right away though and doesn't take away from my point. I'm not saying Nintendo should show it tomorrow but I don't think 3 or so months is really enough time for them or the consumers. Not that I think it'll be in December, just saying for argument.

@WebHead You can finance stuff right away, that is the whole point. I agree that Nintendo and consumers need more time that 3 months. In fact I am starting to join you in the idea Nintendo needs to show this machine off soon. We are almost 6 months out, that is not a lot of time.

Well, we've seen the rumors that the NX reveal would be in the fall. But I have to wonder about its effect on Nintendo's financial health. Nintendo had forecast pretty healthy — if falling — sales for its 3DS portables. But if it reveals a replacement portable machine before the crucial Christmas sales period that is only available in March, people would hold off on buying the 3DS. Sales might fall off the cliff.

If the NX is indeed a competitvely priced portable Nintendo will have to position it carefully so it doesn't cannibalize 3DS sales. Otherwise, its 3DS sales forecast would be rather optimistic.

Chris

@dtjive
I'll put it this way. Your original rant was that Nintendo should make the NX look like a tablet to appeal to that market. But the thing is, when I scroll through the people who I know have a tablet in my head? I don't really come across anyone (including myself) who would replace their tablet with an NX. I can think of quite a few people who might buy an NX but none as a tablet replacement.

And the people who I know have a tablet? Some of them have a PS4/XBOne, some have a Wii U, some have a 3DS. Quite a few were the Wii/DS "casuals" who supposedly migrated to tablets. Counting out 10 people who I know have tablets from a variety of demographics? In that group there's 1 PS4, 3 3DS and 1 Wii U. I reckon in this group of 10 tablet owners? There's room for 4-5 NX consoles if they get their software right. Without trying to be a tablet. I think there's 2 guaranteed, 1 likely and 1 or 2 more if they can do a Wii Sports thing again. Making it more "tablet gamer friendly"? I don't think that would convince any of those people to buy one

People saving to buy something, you crack up! Either people already are good at saving, and then they have the money they need or they take out their credit card and take a payment on that. Or a financial plan in the shop.

Sure, there is probably some that actually save for a specific product, but they are in the minority.

And that is why it is better to delay the reveal, since most purchases are Impulse buys. Though I agree they should reveal soon, September or October.

So Nvidia have a conference meeting on August 11th where they will answer investor questions. You'd have to expect that investors are going to ask questions about their relationship with Nintendo and specifically rumours about the NX.

Given that it would be very bad of Nvidia to provide false information to their investors, we should at least expect Nvidia would confirm that the eurogamer rumour is false. If they don't, then it likely suggests there is some authenticity to it.

So we should hopefully expect some NX related news as early as next week, which then gets me thinking- if Nvidia next week are likely to placed in a position that confirms/denys this rumour; might we expect Nintendo might be considering to announce the NX sooner than we expect?

Or they give the usual "we don't comment on rumours". Don't expect anything until Nintendo have had their reveal.

Not saying that isn't possible, but when a rumour could possibly have an impact on what investors choose to do- not denying the rumour when you know it isn't true is pretty bad. Remember how Nintendo told investors that their relationship with Pokemon Go isn't as strong as they think it is? It's a company duty to give investors accurate information. At the very least we should expect a straight out denial if it isn't true.

Also this guy who is a Wii U developer tweeted this:

@RCMADIAX
Slow news week huh? Feels like a storm is about to drop #Direct ly upon us.

https://twitter.com/rcmadiax?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%...

And has then quickly backtracked to say he meant to tweet from his personal account not the company one. Even still, that whole tweet does seem very suspicious