Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@Spoony_Tech Given they had us do what is basically free advertising for a game, MULTIPLE TIMES, saying if you show you want it and spread the word then MAYBE, Im already past that point.

I mean Pac-Man is fine no doubt...but come on. Having Nintendo fans advertise your games for you multiple times with the promise if a maybe getting it....and then turning around and...its kinda evident its not happening. Thats more insidious than constantly "testing the market" by waiting for sales

@DarthNocturnal
Leak says they're releasing FFXIII trilogy on PS4, and a collection of Final Fantasy 1-9 on PS4 and... wait for it... the ******* Vita. Coming off the back of Secret of Mana, I think Square Enix is trolling at this point.

Just farting out games left and right for PS4 gamers... us poverty stricken Switch owners are humbly waiting for table scraps that fall on the floor. We think we finally have something.... Fat Man Square looks over and sees little Billy Switch quietly bend down and pick up a collection of old SNES games that had rolled off the 10 foot pile of PS4 releases... and happy for this one game he might get to play, starts to crack a smile... but Fat Man Square quickly snatches it from Billy Switch's feeble hands... and as he continues farting out games left and right for PS4, he reaches over to Vinny Vita's gravestone and tucks the Final Fantasy Collection underneath his cold, dead, bony skeleton fingers, just to spite Billy Switch.

Square.... you're killing me man.

@JaxonH Jesus christ...

@YummyHappyPills I think testing the market meant seeing what they can get away with. Why bother with a Dark Souls trilogy when Bomberman and Street Fighter proved you can charge full price for an arcade game?

@Octane You know I get wanting to see how games sell but come on.

Other systems are getting things even the developers want on the system and the response is ALWAYS no. Or beg for it.

No. Im not putting up with it now. Either they put up or shut up and I seriously want them to realise the Vita is done with now. Whats going to make them more money now?

The day Switch passes the Vita there becomes NO excuse.

I think a lot of it has to do with the relationship Nintendo has had with third parties in the past versus, say, Sony. You don't build a strong relationship within a few months. So that may explain why some are rather hesitant. Or maybe it's just cheaper and easier to chuck old ports at the PS4 and Xbox One and call it a day.

@YummyHappyPills The Vita has still a significantly bigger install-base in Japan. And maybe they already had most of these emulators and/or engines running on the Vita?

Like Okami HD, don't expect Capcom did that because they wanted to please their fans. It was a quick, cheap and dirty port. That's all there is to it.

@Octane Allow me to explain this.

A game going to PS4 and Vita would take more effort than PS4 and Switch, for one.

2, Vita has ehat, 16m sales since 2011? Switch is at 10m since March.

To put this into perspective imagine Wii U getting a FF Collection and PS4 didnt. Thats whats happening here.

Or better yet, if you havent had time, announce the Switch version at the same time. If it comes later it comes later, fine, BUT LET US KNOW AS CONSUMERS.

We can put up with late ports but late announcements are a real kick. The industry sees that first trsiler snd thats it. If it comes later its a poor selling footnote. And that doesnt help anyone.

Let's not lose our heads over a rumor, please.

@Octane Nintendo 3DS is swimming in Dragon Quest games in Japan, so I highly doubt that.

@Ralizah But do they use the same engine? Although an emulator seems more likely for an FF collection. So unless the 3DS has DQ VC in Japan, that could be a reason.

EDIT: Didn't even realise this was only a rumour...

@Octane I mean I doubt that Square Enix somehow having a bad relationship with Nintendo is an explanation for anything. 3DS got two Bravely games, a huge number of DQ games, and probably other stuff as well.

Also, I haven't heard a peep about the supposed "Final Fantasy 30th Anniversary Collection" since it was "leaked" last year

@Octane Hey, so err...guess what? In DQ11 on 3DS you can unlock the original to play via Virtual Console...so um...yeah that's not the reason I'm afraid.

So my stance with third parties is this.

Look at all the rumours. How many of those games actually came? Not many. FromSoftware is MIA, Dark Souls, nope. Soul Caliber? Nope. Call of Duty? Nope. Activision? MIA. EA? Doesn't give a toss.

Until the millisecond these games are announced for Switch officially I expect nothing from any third party, because at this point they are far too willing to dangle a thread and get us to bark on command for something we never get.

I don't blame third parties for being hesitant with Switch. But look, I think Capcom, Namco et al are interested in Switch, however don't lose sight of how long game development takes. Heck, if they were out at launch and only just started to be fully in, then I wouldn't be surprised if 2018 is full of ports/ collections and small / middle games because the big ones probably aren't even ready early 2019!

@GrailUK As a game developer, I'm perfectly aware of how long it takes.

However, I am also aware of the concept of good PR. If it cant happen, cool. If its possible, then say. If you say you are all in, throw us a bone, don't give us a reason to think otherwise.

Alternatively, don't ask us to port beg for nothing and become the laughing stock of the industry to the point the Project Cars developers get brazen enough to ask Nintendo fans about THAT game. XD

@DarthNocturnal
Could be.

But it's not just that. That's just something I got linked to yesterday, and seems indicative of a larger problem.

Almost a year into the lifespan now... you would expect to start seeing more announcements than what we're seeing. Even with Namco. And I'm not talking about that whole rumor because we knew that was a rumor from the get go. But they announced some anime fighter today, and PAC Man. And I'm thinking, out of all the high dollar and high-quality games you bring the other systems, this is what you give us?

Bandai Namco couldn't even be bothered to announce that new One Piece open world game for Switch. Code Vein? Nope. Dark Souls? Still heard nothing. God Eater? Uh uh (even though the 3rd entry was just announced and would cater to the MH audience in the absence of that franchise skipping out). Digimon? Notta. Tales? Still waiting. No Final Fantasy for Switch announced- not even ports of FFX, FFXII, FFVII, Type 0 HD, Collection... meanwhile FFXV and FFXIV Online are games they'll still be talking about "possibly looking into bringing in the future" years from now. Not even World of Final Fantasy has been announced. Kingdom Hearts... nothin. Not even the collections or an HD port of Dream Drop Distance... which even 3DS got an exclusive KH. We can't even get a port. Capcom... they finally make a big budget MH and the only system not getting it is the one where the fanbase of the last 10 years is on. No Marvel vs Capcom Infinite, not even Ultra Street Fighter IV. Just retro compilations...

And don't get me wrong there is some support from these companies on the way. And even though it's a compilation I'm still very excited for Mega Man, Mega Man X and Street Fighter. But gosh dang... it's such an insignificant slice of the larger pie, and when it comes to actual high dollar games nobody wants to bring anything. Even the Wii U saw new releases like Injustice and Splinter Cell and Assassins Creed and Call of Duty and Watch Dogs (even if it was late). Not that I necessarily care about all of those franchises (some I do) but it's just the fact that nobody wants to bring high dollar games to the Switch, and it's starting to become aggravating.

I hear a lot of talk but I'm not seeing any action. Not really. Valkyria Chronicles 4, Bayonetta 3, Dragon Quest XI... those are high dollar, high-quality games. Those are what I expect to see (and not leave the middle market games out either, we want those too obviously... I want PAC Man and the compilations, it's just not all I want). At first I didn't expect much for the Switch, but I expect more of the system now that it's such a success, and now that the third-party software is selling reasonably well.

@JaxonH Don't forget that FF1-9 are already playable on the PSVita (through PSP BC / PSone classics). Maybe they'll be getting what is essentially a rebundling of these versions?

@Buizel
I don't even know if it's true or if plans have changed, but even ignoring that entirely, there's just so many other examples. Even Ubisoft... no Assassins Creed. No Far Cry. Just Uno and Monopoly, a Rayman port and Mario. It really speaks volumes about what they think will and will not sell on this platform. This is not the Wii U. It's not even the Wii. And that old way of thinking about the Nintendo gamership needs to die off already. We are not just Nintendo fans on Switch. We are PS gamers, Xbox gamers, PC gamers, and even those of us who are strictly Nintendo fans I believe are far more open minded toward third party games than past generations ever were.

The only thing that's going to change their minds is continued sales. If third party games continue to exceed expectations we will gradually see more and more. It's unfortunate that's the way things have to be because it will be a painfully slow process, and by the time we see a significant amount of support the generation will nearly be over. If they would just realize that people on this platform play all types of games, and that you can sell more on this platform than just your typical Mario crossover, board games and retro titles... they'd be making a lot more money and we'd be a lot happier. Take a chance already.

Unless the Direct that's coming up soon reveals a decent amount of big games, I won't expect the third party situation to improve very much during this generation, if at all.

Yeah honestly at this point, the only improvement we are going to get is that third parties are actually considering some games, and giving us the B-C tier stuff, with the occasional A game much later than everywhere else.

If things continue to go well, we will get ALL the B-C stuff on Switch 2, along with considerations and more attempts at the A stuff. Then on Switch 3, again assuming nothing goes wrong, we should start getting the A games consistently.

It'll be a console or two before we get the games even the 3DS got honestly.

The industry has become so stacked against us that it basically is an uphill battle. No matter how well the system sells, no matter what games we buy, it'll take years before they realise, but by then...it'll be our kids playing the games we would have licked to play on the systems....but the issue is our kids will likely be into something else entirely and not want those games.

So they'll give us the games we want now...in about 10 years...

I get that people are upset that we're not getting all the multiplats that the Switch can obvious handle but...I really don't think the third party situation is that bad. At the very least, it's looking to be the best it's been since the Gamecube.

Really? What did the 3DS get in its first year that is better than the Switch's first year?