Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

@JaxonH I'm also down to 160 and I have NBA arriving Thursday. Made good on the black Friday deals for that and FIFA. NBA was $29 and FIFA was $30. I've bought a total of 8 games since Mario came out and I could still buy more but I need to cool my spending with CHRISTmas around the corner.

@Spoony_Tech
Good prices. At least with sports games you can rotate out installs for future releases. No need to have NBA 2K18, 19, 20, etc all installed together. So that's a big chunk of space that won't need to accrue over time at least.

Adult Swim is running commercials for Battle Chef Brigade with the Switch branding.

Anyone see this:

http://nintendotoday.com/paladins-switch-release/

Yes it's just a rumour and data miners found it so not fact

@Bunkerneath I think they would just need to get the Big N's approval for voice chat in-game and this could be very likely.

@JaxonH At the risk of being a broken record.....game #2 being an almost 30GB download not present on the cart doesn't count as "killing it." Neither does "digital only" in EU. (As though it's not digital only here as well.)

I know, I know, you've embraced digital, but when giving effusive praise for a game, it's only fair to note what they got very wrong as well....and their distribution definitely counts as a flaw.

(Not speaking from bitterness on this one, even, I can't stand horror in games or film and have never bought an RE game as a result, so I'm totally 3rd party to the RE conversation. )

@NEStalgia

23.6gb... Let's not exaggerate.

And of course they killed it. Just because a game releases digitally doesn't mean it's suddenly "Not a good release". Plenty of games are digital only nowadays. Ultra Street Fighter IV and Devil May Cry 4 and countless other remasters on PS4 are digital only. Countless retail releases on Vita were digital only. And that system is almost 6 years old now.

Blasting a game for being digital is a dated view.

We play video games to have fun. I like physical as much as the next guy, but Nintendo fans need to get past this whole "oh no a digital game!" mentality. Yes games are large. They've been large for years. And sometimes, games don't get a physical release. So what?

If people spent more time playing and enjoying great games and less time boycotting and complaining about the medium, we'd have a much happier gaming community. RE Revelations 1 and 2 (especially 2) is a standout release on Switch. Being digital doesn't change that. I suggest the largest micro SD people can afford. There are a ton of incredible games releasing and some of them are going to require some space.

@NEStalgia The Revelations 2 situation was a lose-lose situation about distribution, either have it be digital only or have a NBA 2K18 type situation where a big chunk of the physical version is a compulsory digital download.

@Grumblevolcano In this case, we have both, depending on where you are, you get screwed to a varying degree.

If we got the whole game on a cart we would also be paying $60 for it as the second game would command a 32gb cart so either way we pay and it so happens an sd card is cheaper.

@JaxonH It will be a "dated view" when universal public wireless internet is everywhere. It's not a "dated view" when that is not the case, and people are still using metered connections, slow connections, etc. "Nintendo" gamers don't need to "get past" not spending money on products that don't meet their expectations. We determine the platform we want to pay for, not the other way around. At the end of the day business makes money from us in exchange for meeting the standards we're willing to pay for. The idea of treating retail products like like it's ok for them to dictate the terms, and we "get over it" and learn to buy it anyway is precisely how they intend it to work, and precisely defeats the power of the consumer.

You know I agree with you quite often and on many many things, but on this one, you keep beating the drum that, essentially, "times change and we just have to accept what we're offered, why does everyone bother resisting and make it all so much more difficult to be shafted?" and that's just wrong. It's one thing to praise the game, but its failings shouldn't be overlooked in the name of corporate pacifism either.

PC was my platform of choice for years. I left it because it went digital. I brought my considerable purchasing habits in the medium to platforms that did offer what I wanted. What you advocate is an "acceptance" of that choice being removed for the sake of corporate profits. Well, of course if you "learn to accept" what they want you do, they're always going to win and you have no power! If you like physical, resist that push and defend your preference. If you don't, they will indeed remove your preference. Why wouldn't they, if you don't actually say no?

If they released digital only that's their choice, and it's one thing and some people won't accept it as a "real" game as a result, including myself. The split physical thing though where the bulk of the game isn't actually on the cart is a deep deception. RE wasn't going to get my money anyway because it's not a genre/series I like. But the practice does need to be called out for what it is. The next game that wants a 23GB download may be one I'd otherwise like, but won't be getting my money.

@JaxonH
"And sometimes, games don't get a physical release. So what?"

Some peoples like to Possess the things.
If they don't own the things, they don't feel owning the games in presence.
As a Collectible items, Physical retails are very valuable for Hobbyist. They are like Gems of Video games.

@Anti-Matter
I understand the appeal of a physical game, as someone who collects myself.

But before I was a collector, I was a gamer. And being a gamer trumps being a collector. If I can buy physical I will. But NEVER, as a gamer, will I pass up a great game over something so trivial as a side hobby preference.

@NEStalgia
Nintendo" gamers don't need to "get past" not spending money on products that don't meet their expectations

Ya they do. When their expectations are "It has to come in this color case and it can't have any download whatsoever". Ridiculous expectations need to be buried. Preference is fine. Outright ostracizing games for being sold on the eshop is radically close minded and ultra conservative mindset.

They do dictate the terms. Its their game. And if people want to completely banish every game ever sold digitally then I say God speed. Cause the developers don't care, the publishers don't care, and the rest of the gaming community doesn't care. If people want to cheat themselves, hey, knock yourself out.

It's one thing to have a preference. Its another to say "I refuse to buy any game digitally in the year 2018".

And RE Revelations was not even split. Its 2 separate games. The first has it's own cart and the second is digital. 2 separate icons and labels.

@JaxonH My problem is that while yes, it is a half assed physical release, we here in Europe AGAIN get...nothing.

Just like historically we didn't even get games AT ALL from Capcom that the rest of the world got, we now have these two games. Digital only.

You know why I am personally p***** off with Capcom for this? I can go on Amazon right now, and buy both games SEPERATELY in physical form for the other systems.

But no, it costs too much to even put a smaller game on a cart and a bit of paper for a code. Sure it does.

@YummyHappyPills
The same thing happened for Resident Evil Revelations 2 on Vita, but in reverse. Europe got a physical release while NA got digital only. And so what I did, was I imported the EU version.

Likewise, people asked for region free for good reason... you can import.

For the record though, sales expectations for this game are extremely low. Their analysts likely concluded the investment for physical would cost more than the few added sales. Can't blame em for that. Even in the US there is very little stock. Amazon sold out, and many people claim their local Wal-Mart and Gamestop got 1 or 2 copies in, if any at all. Games that have such low sales projections often find themselves digital only in certain regions. At least you can import.

I imported One Piece: Unlimited World Red from EU also, another game NA only got digitally.

I'll still buy games physical when possible due to pre-order discounts but, as time has gone on, the allure of owning a physical game has all but vanished for me. I get preferring physical copies with their pretty boxes and physical carts/discs, but being a physical only gamer is becoming increasingly anachronistic. Almost every game needs to be extensively updated and patched these days and the medium is already outgrowing the restrictions placed on it by physical media. Thus why you need to install PS4/Xbone games to the system. Thus why bigger Switch games are requiring partial downloads or just go digital only.

@JaxonH No, companies don't dictate terms, consumers do by choosing what to buy and what not to. Well, except you, you're happy taking whatever you're offered, apparently Being a "gamer" doesn't mean being a pushover and surrendering criticism for margin squeezing because you want to like the game.

Nobody wants to banish games that are sold digitally. Selling cartridges as unlock keys is dishonest at best, manipulative at worst. Cheap either way, and it was a concept ROUNDLY rejected at the X1 launch, before companies just repackaged the very thing consumers said they didn't want in slightly less offensive ways, hoping most would be like you and convince themselves to accept it. The publishers certainly don't care if most people adopt your viewpoint. The publishers would care considerably if most people didn't. Again, Microsoft and Sony BOTH radically redesigned their intentions at the start of this generation explicitly because people did NOT do as you're doing. Consumers have enormous power over this. But most, like yourself have been trained like a good puppy not to question whatever they declare to be inevitable.

Saying "I refuse to buy this game" is the only way to main the choice of preference, however. To accept whatever they offer is to say you accept that offering, and you accept being stripped of choice. That's how consumers leverage power over what the offering is, is not to buy the unsatisfactory offering. That's how a competition-driven free market functions at all. We're fortunately not living in a communist "utopia" (yet) and still have that market control. Apparently except the gaming industry where companies are godheads of the universe that must be obeyed

Where I particularly disagree with you is that you advocate this as though it's all inevitable to the point of refusing to acknowledge it as a negative. It's the outright refusal to acknowledge the negatives, to but blinders (blinkers for our British friends) on so that the negative of it doesn't taint your praise of a game. If you personally are willing to submit, that's your choice as well, but those that refuse to submit shouldn't be told to "deal with it" so to speak. "Stop resisting and mind your place" isn't exactly the most likely way to win a battle assuming one wishes to win at all.

@NEStalgia
You must have missed the memo.

Gamers already dictated the terms, and digital games are not only acceptable, but normal.

We're not talking about partial game downloads, which is whole other conversation. We're talking digital games. Games without a physical release.

And since gamers dictated those terms, publishers now dictate whether a game is digital or physical. Not consumers. You buy it or don't, but you're not dictating anything.

If buying and enjoying games, even in digital format in 2018, if that makes me a "pushover". Then I'm a pushover. Rather that than a deluded wannabe gamer that thinks not buying digital games is somehow going to make digital games stop. Rather that than someone who cares more about how a game is stored than the game itself. Digital isn't going to stop, and you not buying a digital game won't make a split of difference. So if there is no chance whatsover of activist change, then why bother? It basically boils down to: this is how it is. Either enjoy the game or don't. And anyone who refuses to enjoy a game simply because of where the digital bits are stored... they obviously don't like video games that much.

That is not a gamer. That's someone who cares more about staring at their games than playing them, and who thinks they're dated views are more important than they actually are. Preference is one thing. But when you start caring more about media format than video games themselves, you've lost sight of what really matters. And I pity the poor fool who forfeits some of the best gaming experiences ever made... All because of being stored on an SD card instead of a cartridge.

I'll just wait for the sale...