Topic: The Nintendo Switch Thread

Does anyone have flip wars? Is it playable single player?

I never get games that I have no interest in, but I'd be lying if I said I don't buy some releases at full price instead of waiting for sales as a show of support.

Like with DOOM: if I was buying it on another platform (as I almost have several times in the past), I'd wait for as low a price as possible to maximize the amount of value I'd get out of my transaction. But, in the case of the Switch version, I'm fully willing to pay $50 for it. Both as a show of support for them releasing great games on Nintendo's new console and because I'll get a lot more use out of DOOM if I can play it on the tablet.

@Ryu_Niiyama

VERY nice. I miss local game stores: all we have around us is Gamestops. :

I'll trade a game in if there's not a huge difference in value between trading versus selling online.

Same. I don't really have the money to seriously collect games, and even if I did, it seems like mindlessly consumerist behavior in the first place. Why keep games caged up that I won't play again for years when someone else could be enjoying them? It's not like I'll have to worry about not being able to find a playable copy of a game if I want to play it again in 5 years.

This is also why I'm weaning myself off of buying extra games I don't necessarily want to play right away in Steam/PSN sales. More mindless consumerism. I could use the money I save on someone or something else instead.

And "gamer cred" is stupid. Neither of have anything to prove to anyone else, and not everyone has to like the same games. Although I realize there's a stronger-than-average tendency toward groupthink and conformity in the broader gaming community that encourages people to buy similar games and form similar opinions on them.

Buying games and then not playing them for years is a massive waste of money. Like, I bought FF Type-0 HD in 2015 at full price. Still have yet to play it! It costs $20 or so these days! And the worst part is, I ended up hating the FFXV demo I primarily bought it for.

Anyway, it might take me five years or so to play all of the games I already own, but at least I can nip this problem in the bud by not developing a backlog of any kind on the Switch.

Such a first world problem to have, though. "I own more luxury goods than I have free time to enjoy them. Poor me!"

No, I wouldn't advocate buying games you don't like.

But I would advocate buying good games you'd like that you might have otherwise passed on for various reasons (it's $10 higher, it's less resolution, it's not mouse and keyboard, it's discounted elsewhere, it's this it's that, etc).

If people really want great 3rd party support to continue, gonna have to be a little flexible with not writing off games for any little reason.

And that I do stand behind 100%

Btw Switch Mario Odyssey bundle with exclusive deep red Joycons live at BestBuy

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nintendo-switch-super-mario-odys...

@Ralizah You know that it probably makes no difference to the company if you buy a game for $60 or $30? It's the retailer that gets less. It only makes a difference if the game got an official price drop.

It really does seem like Nintendo is being very light on the first party front this holiday season for Switch to give 3rd parties a chance to grow. For example, no longer is there the "Nintendo Day" we knew and loved from the 3DS/Wii U era, instead we've got Skyrim.

If 3rd party holiday season Switch games are successful, it was totally worth it.

@Octane AAA devs will likely be looking at how their games perform early on, when they get the bulk of their sales. If people are waiting for a game to go on sale, it's going to send the wrong message.

If I want a game and also want to encourage third parties to invest more deeply in the Switch and its userbase, it seems to make sense to spend more than I usually would on a game to get it early on.

I'm personally not a believer in the idea that people should buy games that they wouldn't normally buy just for the sake of supporting a group of developers or giving developers an incentive to release their games on the system. Sure, that might come with the cost of less or no support from that company, and that sucks, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. If there's not an audience for those games on the system, then there's just not an audience, and people who want those games should buy another system that they can play them on. There shouldn't be some moral obligation for other people to shell out money for games that they don't really want just so that a niche audience can get those games on their system of choice.

I agree @Ralizah We are the ones saying we want AAA games on Switch. So backing up that talk with action feels like the right thing to do. I'm not gonna complain about wanting AAA on Wii U for 5 years and then Switch, only to say "nah, I'll wait for a sale... nah, it's missing one tiny little mode I'll never play but my ego prevents me from buying something "lesser than"... nah, its already cheaper for other platforms so I'll buy there instead.

I want to play LA Noire. I want to play FIFA 18. I want to play Doom and Wolfenstein. I want to play Resident Evil Revelations 2. And while I own that last one on Vita and PS4, I want it on Switch and will buy it on Switch. And will help contribute to future games coming to Switch that I myself will benefit from and enjoy.

@Ralizah Agreed on the first sentence, but remember that very few people think like that, so it doesn't really make a difference in the end.

And I want third party games on the Switch too. Not because I'm going to buy them, but because that means a bigger library, and more potential Switch buyers, which is healthy for the system in general.

@Ralizah Buying games for supporting the console might be useful, if the install base is small.
But in general the publishers want to make money. So if you have a console with a sizeable installbase and one of your games doesnt perform, youir reaction wont be: Let's never make another game for this console!
But lets publish another game that people like more.
So on a healthy console i think buying games even though you dont like them might be counter-productive.

Devs are going to look at numbers to decide if they want to continue support. I'm middle of the road on the whole thing. I am double dipping on a few games and buying games that I don't buy on the regular(I don't buy FIFA every year but I'm getting 18 to show support...and its portable). I would never advocate buying random games for the heck of it but if you are sorta on the fence and you feel you might enjoy it go for it I'd say. (although this year is so packed with games it's hard to really decide what to buy)

@Wichtel My thoughts exactly. If you know that the game is bad, but you buy it because you want to support the developers to make more games for a particular console, you're encouraging them to make worse games than before.

Good games always sell, no matter who develops them.

I don't buy games I don't like just to show support for a developer. I do however have a wide and varied taste in electronic entertainment of all genres (except for mobas as I don't actually know what a moba is or idd means lol)...so the devs usually win!

@KirbyTheVampire Definitely agree on all points. People should only buy games that interest them. With that said, I tend to agree with @JaxonH that we need to be the change we want to see in the world. For me, that means nabbing retail third party games I'm interested in at or close to release as opposed to waiting a year or so for them to go on sale as a show of support. It's not an altruistic thing for me, as I'd rather play those games on a hybrid than be tethered to a TV or monitor when I play them.

Also means I won't be getting NBA2K, WWE2K, etc. at all as I don't like sports and don't care if more of those sorts of games come to the system. I do hope they perform well, of course, as that'll make for a healthier ecosystem on the Switch, but I'll leave support of those up to people who would actually enjoy them.

I've already said somewhere I want the 3rd party games more so then 1st right now. I can always get Mario later and it won't make a difference but getting Skyrim week one might have more of an impact. It tells not only Bethesda that we want these games but other 3rds as well will take notice.

Let's face it, this is Nintendo we are talking about here. They need all the 3rd party support they can get to draw more people to the Switch outside of the fan base. For those saying that a certain type of game not selling well would just mean they bring a different type of game haven't been playing Nintendo games for long. If a certain type of 3rd party game doesn't sell well other 3rds take notice no matter what it is and become cautious. Can't blame them because Nintendo doesn't have the same relationship with 3rds that the other 2 do.

Now I would never say buy a game just to support, that's stupid. However, we as the consumer need to buy what we ask for. Nintendo fans know they aren't getting the best versions of these games but they are getting the best the system can handle in most cases. The rest is on Nintendo.

@Spoony_Tech I'll buy whatever will get me the kind of fun I seek. I've even held off on Xenoverse 2's Steam deal for 25 to buy it for the full 59,99 to support the Switch and play with friends. I've bought third-parties on Nintendo whenever I could, and I've got more third-parties than Nintendo games now, ironically. They have good IP, but also very broad ones, so there's very different appeal to say XC2 compared to Mario Odyssey.

But of what I understand, it's on Nintendo to sow the seeds of interest, and that's usually when the thirds follow-up on that (I'd say fighting games have a good home on Switch right now)

@Spoony_Tech This is one of the smaller reasons I chose Metroid Samus Returns over Mario + Rabbids (will buy later). Mario + Rabbids would do well enough because Mario whereas the Metroid franchise is on life support (if Samus Returns doesn't do well enough then 2D Metroid is dead and if Prime 4 doesn't do well enough then 3D Metroid is dead).

The main reason was that I like the looks of Samus Returns more.

@Grumblevolcano That's good because you're choosing the game you think is more important and we all aren't @JaxonH and can buy whatever game we want. 😉 Sometimes 2 of the same game.....😨

Has the Nintendo Switch recently changed most of the nay-sayers' minds? Your comments, please.

I feel like I've started a whole page of chat about buying games you don't want, but that's not what I was getting at. I bought XCX for a number of reasons and wanted the game, but the state of the Wii U in the market, and the lack of other games being released, contributed to me buying it Day 1, instead of, for instance, waiting until now when it can be had for half the price.

Fast forward to now, and I wouldn't buy XC2 anyway, because it looks so like original XC to me, but if Switch was really struggling and needed a good news story then I'd feel a modicum of guilt that I'd be letting Nintendo down by not supporting the games they published. I want Nintendo to do well, as do others here.

But now that so many other games are being released and Switch seems to have started well, I don't feel any onus is on me at all to support it. I don't care if it crashes and burns like it deserves