Topic: What 5 games must Nintendo launch the NX with?

@Bolt_Strike Dude, Twilight Princess HD would most certainly be a Wii U game.

@arronishere: Can you actually form an argument instead of stubbornly (and stupidly) disagreeing with those who are putting together realistic and logical opinions or is that asking too much? Releasing the 5 biggest games of the NX's life in the span of a few months makes no sense from any perspective. It's not realistic, the games would cut into each others sales, and console sales would stagnate when the following years have nothing but small games. No one is advocating that the NX should get no big games in its launch or first year like you are wrongly thinking we are. Spacing them out across the life of the NX is the best way to go and don't say that it is what the Wii U did that because it didn't. Launching with Zelda U and having a 3D Mario coming out later in its first year would be great, but having every big Nintendo IP release in the launch window or first year is unrealistic and makes no business sense.

I don't think that would be smart at all. The Wii U is on its way out, and we've already had 3 Zelda remakes this gen. There's no sense in blowing through more remakes at the end of the console's lifespan, they should save one or two for NX.

What a difference a day makes.

@Bolt_Strike: They could choose non-Zelda HD remakes for NX so for example Sunshine or F-Zero GX. Assuming Zelda U is being moved to NX it would not be wise to anger the Wii U audience further, plenty of them will have bought a Wii U just for that game with other games like Smash, MK8, Splatoon, SMM, etc. being nice extras.

That's not a safe assumption actually. If anything, Zelda U will be a dual release, with the game either launching simultaneously with the NX or being ported later.

@Bolt_Strike: They could just go the remaster route and have Zelda U Remastered on the NX. Might yield a better result in framerate plus they can then say that Zelda U is still Wii U exclusive.

@Bolt_Strike:
The problem is that there isn't much on your list that couldn't exist on the hardware we already have. I mean you can argue that the Wii U is on the way out so Twilight Princess would be a waste but.... what would make Twilight Princess HD better on NX? Or a 2D Metroid for that matter. And the same deal with the third party stuff, people who want to play that stuff already have hardware for it. Why would they buy NX?

To be fair a 3D Mario could always do with better hardware, a new IP is vague enough that it could be anything. Also if it's a portable then Pokemon with slightly improved tech is inevitable. But even so, your list reads like a pile of stuff we can already get.

That's what I was thinking for a port anyway.

Just because they're reusing an IP doesn't mean it's something they could do on a previous console, it's how they use those IPs and what kinds of ideas they have for them that matters in terms of utilizing the hardware. Gamers definitely want to see the IPs themselves show up in some form though.

@Bolt_Strike:
I wasn't saying they need new IP. If anything I'm coming from two different places at once. Of course when they release new hardware you'd hope that they have a range of their successful franchises available. Zelda, Mario, Metroid and so on. But I wonder what is the point of new hardware if it's not immediately obvious why that content couldn't have been done on the platforms before it. And not a lot on your list goes to that latter point.

As I said, 3D Mario and new IP could do that on a new home console. So would any game that's either way bigger than you'd think the Wii U could handle. Also anything that takes advantage of some new "gimmick". But HD Remakes, 2D games and the newest Assassin's Creed? This is stuff that would be nice but it's not stuff that justifies new hardware.

You're not listening. Yeah, we don't know what the hardware does and so it's harder to predict specific ideas, I wouldn't do so until we know what the console actually is. But I didn't list those particular games to say that those are the exact games I expect to see early, rather I was illustrating a broad point about lineup diversity. If they have a good idea to utilize the hardware, go for it, but at the same time they need to avoid alienating a particular group of gamers by making too much of one type of game.

Also, I'd be willing to bet that after this gen the concept of a console generation would carry an entirely different meaning and would be less rigid thanks to diminishing returns in performance making it less necessary to have a shiny new device every 5 years or so, so I wouldn't worry too much about justifying new hardware.

Well diminishing returns is precisely why it's going to be hard to justify a new home console. But they have to justify it with new software, that's the main purpose of the first year of software releases. All I'm saying is that in order to convince people that they need a new home console if that is indeed what the NX is? They're going to have to do a lot better than Twilight Princess HD, Assassin's Creed 8 and a 2D Metroid. It's going to have to have more behind it than that.

Now if this thing is reasonably powerful and is maybe more of a 2017/18 release? Then they can potentially impress on specs alone and get away with just releasing shinier versions of the same stuff. Come out with the first genuine 4K capable console for example. But if it's earlier than that or if they're not pushing the spec? Then they'll need something else. And even then I'm yet to be convinced that it'll be enough.

If they would come out with a 4k console, it would really just be marketing BS, since most people can't see any difference between that and 1080p, either because they have a too small TV or they have bad eyesight.

Being able to use advanced shaders in 60Hz in 1080p is a better target.

@Therad: Well sure, some people will buy into the marketing and the only benefits will be in their head. On the other hand I'm sure some people with fantastic vision will indeed get massive screens as they continue to rapidly drop in price. Either way, it will definitely be possible for a console to drive 4K with reasonably demanding but well optimised games by 2018.

My point though was that if they're pushing the spec that far they don't really need to do much to convince us. It'll be obvious how it's better. But if Nintendo release something that's not that much of a leap in power? If for example it is a home console that comes out as soon as some expect? Well they'll need to do quite a bit more to sell it.

The NX isn't even a new home console. There isn't going to be a Mario Kart 9 or any of that, because the current games we have are already current generation games, and there isn't any reason to release a new console. The current information that we have about NX, based on development kits, is that it is more like the Kindle Fire TV and other mini home consoles like PS Vita TV.

It is possible that they might let us stream or crossplay select games from the Wii U or 3DS, but anything exclusive to the console, won't be absent from Wii U, because it has more powerful hardware. Anyone who knows Wii U's hardware capabilities wouldn't think that a new home console is happening until a 9th generation is close for all the consoles.

@SCAR: Your theory that it's a micro console has as much merit as mine that it's a portable. Which in turn has as much merit as the more popular theory that it's a PS4 clone. I think the only thing that's certain is that whatever it is Nintendo will eventually release some hardware that replaces the Wii U and also some hardware that replaces the 3DS.

If people want to talk about the NX as if it's a Wii U successor then that's fine by me. Because one way or another that hardware is coming eventually.

@SCAR - why would Nintendo build up all of this hype for a Kindle Fire TV type device? And why would they even make a device like that when they are going into the mobile market?

I think everyone on this forum loves the Wii U, but there is no denying that it is a failure and Nintendo probably wants to get away from it as soon as possible. Nintendo needs something big to stay in the game, and there is no way they would gamble on a Kindle Fire TV type device. That would mean they would have the Wii U, 3DS, mobile, and then the Kindle Fire NX all going on while developing a Wii U and 3DS successor. Not gonna happen.

@brooks83: Building hype? I think the gamers and the fans are doing that. Nintendo hasn't said much about the NX yet. The Wii U makes a profit iirc, but much, but they aren't losing anything. They can easily sit this out for another two or three years if they wanted.

Where have you heard those rumours? As far as I know, we know nothing about the specs of the dev kits?

I have a hard time seeing a micro-console. Nintendo would need to develop for 4 distinct platforms (3ds, Wii U, NX and Mobile).

If NX comes out next year. 1. zelda. 2. A 2nd tier series like excite or f-zero. 3rd party support ( i know its more than 5 games, but a COD, Sports games (NBA, Madden etc) 4. The mini game that shows off system quirks and features like wii sports. 5. Huge VC update with GC, Wii, Wiiu games announced.