Topic: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

@Ralizah @Haru17 thank you ,very helpful. i wish the Witcher 3 or next Witcher come to switch ,,,

...annnnd there goes Ralizah killing my hype. I seek true adventure (with good controls), not RPG stats. What's the next best adventure game after BotW ?

same question i have.i think the Witcher 3 is same genre with skyrim,but i didn't really like Skyrim as much as the Witcher 3,,also i played Skyrim just for 3 or 4 days,

@gcunit I wouldn't let one persons opinion kill your hype. Skyrim is an amazing game. Ive literally played every release because....I have issues.. and its just pure fun. on controls, this version has the best controls so far in my opinion. the motion controls work like a charm, if you are a fan of the aiming in BOTW with bows and such, I think youll find skyrim to be just as good.
As for stats.. lots, if not most open world adventure games have a leveling system. seems pretty standard.

@gcunit I love the Elder Scrolls games but they're definitely different then BotW. They're a lot more involved as far as crafting, finding dungeons to explore and side quests. I also think the combat in Zelda is better to a extent. This one while more straight forward with combat it allows for many ways to kill your enemies. There's just so many things you can do in this game though to just get lost in it's world.

@Haru17 Aonuma even referenced Skyrim as an influence in BotW specifically (and is probably one of the reasons Nintendo courted Bethesda specifically for this game.)

@Soroush2023 The big thing is the two are completely different genres. As @ralizah said, it controls horribly with sloppy combat, but keep in mind Zelda is, at its heart, an action-adventure game. Skyrim is a core RPG in a long lineage of RPGs, rooted in some very, very old DOS games that established the baseline of the battle system, inheriting mostly pen and paper/dice based systems, as it was ripping PnP D&D at the time (in the 80's.) The controls aren't supposed to feel fluid like an action game.....there's hidden dice rolls going on behind the scenes (more or less.) And as Haru said, it doesn't develop characters and immediate story. It's a WRPG/CRPG, not a JRPG. It's always been about self exploration of the world around you more than an overarching narrative. That doesn't mean there's not tons of story, dialog, and scripted events....it's just that you have to seek them out by interacting with the world (and the stories don't involve you, they involve other people in the world, your character is just a bridge between real you, and their world (like Link originally was.) The best comparison would probably be Etrian Odyssey if you're used to Nintendo/Japanese games, which is fully in the Western motif. Only with a LOT more story and dialogue than EO.

Each to their own. I find Skyrim far more involving and immersive than BoTW. It feels like a real world whereas BoTW to me seems quite generic and empty. I also prefer the RPG elements to straight adventure. I’m probably not a typical Switch owner though. I bought it because it was getting Skyrim, LA Noire, RE and other third party games. These beat the games I can play on my iPad!

@Soroush2023 I'd love to see TW3 on Switch, but the hard reality of the situation is that the game's performance was rough even on the Xbone/PS4 before those versions were extensively patched, sort of like BotW's performance at launch. It's a demanding game even for more powerful hardware, so I don't see how they could pull off a Switch version without significantly compromising the experience.

@gcunit I think Skyrim is probably worth trying. It's a fun game, and I played it for almost as long as I played BotW when I first got it back in 2011. One thing I've found is that people react very differently to the "jank" of Bethesda games: some people can't stand it, others either don't notice or don't mind it. I just don't want people to be disappointed because they played BotW and expect to find a similar level of polish in the in-game physics, controls, etc.

I'll tell you how I played it when I first got it: I started out as a mage specializing in fire magic, and shot streams of fire at people from a distance for most of the game, but I also gradually built up my stealth and archery skills. I eventually got to the point where I could crouch in the front of a room and kill everyone in the room in a few seconds thanks to the damage perks you can get from stealth kills. For the few times I encountered stronger enemies, though, I could also switch over to fire magic and take enemies out that way in closer-quarters combat.

Skyrim is filled with stuff to loot. Like, everywhere. You can run into a dungeon and come out carrying pretty much everything that wasn't bolted down and re-sell it.

It's also filled with all sorts of weird quests to accomplish. Some of these are really extensive and can change your character's in-game path overall.

If any of that sounds appealing, then get the game. You'll lose hundreds of hours in it, regardless of any reservations you might or might not have about the in-game physics or actual exploration and combat controls.

Of course, if you're hesitant to drop a lot of money on it, I'd expect the game to drop in price over the next year or so.

I have no idea what the people in this thread are smoking, but it must be some powerful stuff, because Skyrim is absolutely an adventure game as well as an RPG, except it does the adventure part way better than Breath of the Wild.

I legitimately felt like I was exploring a living, breathing world when I played Skyrim, and I felt like that with BoTW as well...for the first 20 hours or so. When I realized how dull the world and basically everything in it aside from the shrines was, I was way less motivated to explore, and I felt no motivation to talk to anyone either, because all they did was spout fluff. There was never anything interesting to find in towns or people's houses or anywhere else. It was basically just a puzzle game with cool combat and a big, empty world to run around in and fool yourself into thinking you'd find something that wasn't a fetch quest or a Korok seed.

If you want an adventure game, Skyrim is a much better choice, because cool and unique things actually happen in Skyrim, and that's not really the case in Breath of the Wild. It's still a great game of course, but aside from the puzzles and combat and some other aspects of the gameplay like the physics engine (which everyone seems to love for some reason, but I got quickly bored of messing around with it), Skyrim does everything else much better.

WOO-WOO! I'm back on the train

Kinda.

I don't think combat controls will bother me too much, especially if motion-controlled archery works ok.

@Ralizah As you know, my big thing with BotW was the moment to moment movement around the world. I get that in Skyrim you can't climb (at all?) but that most places you can see are accessible, so what's it like to move around the land? I imagine it's quite clunky, but hope to be convinced otherwise...

@gcunit You can run and jump, which works 100% fine when you're not climbing mountains. If you are, you basically just run and jump up those too, which works fine for the most part except for when you find a really steep section, in which case you'll probably have to walk sideways along the mountain until you find another route.

There are also paths up the mountains, which removes any difficulty you might have in getting up steep sections.

@KirbyTheVampire Is there much fun in the writing, or is it all gloom and doom grimness?

Very few characters have much of to say of any gravitas in BotW, but I found a lot of the writing to be very humorous, which satisfied me. I don't normally want to stand around talking to strangers much, and if all they're going to do is whine about their lot in life and hope that I'm going to help them.... well... **** 'em

@gcunit One warning: the game was designed to be played in first person. Everything looks ridiculously awkward if you switch to the third person camera (especially jumping, which has a terribly awkward looking animation when you're actually watching your character). With that said, normal movement is... normal movement. Like most other first person Western AAA games.

There's no climbing. You jump up everything. Including mountains. It's ridiculous and awkward, but you'll eventually get used to it. I don't recall finding too many surfaces I couldn't clip my character onto by running forward and pressing the jump button enough.

Melee combat is... well, there's no real substance to it. You wildly flail your arms at an enemy and damage them. There's a reason I chose to play as a mage/archer even though I usually like to play as a brute force sort of character.

Otherwise, it's fine. Archery is a lot of fun, especially, like I said, once you level up your stealth and get sneak attack perks.

There's some dark humor in the game, but I don't recall finding too many actually light-hearted moments or bits of dialogue. Certainly not to the degree that these were present in BotW.

@gcunit There are absolutely some funny quests in there, although it is a game that takes itself seriously, so I wouldn't go in expecting a light-hearted romp. Think of it as how it would be to explore a world like Middle-Earth from Lord of the Rings. While it largely takes itself seriously and isn't exactly a comedy, there are some light-hearted and funny moments in there.

I wouldn't say the game is grim (although some parts of the game are, which is honestly just a good thing if you want to tell a compelling story), it just doesn't put a super large emphasis on humor. It is there, but you're not gonna be finding stuff like cartoonish people making noises like "PooaUGHHHH!" like you would in Zelda.

@Snaplocket I didn't feel that way at all. Its world felt like it had about as much substance and interesting stuff in it as any free, generic MMO. It is more polished, yes, but polish is only so much of a draw when the game is not that interesting. Running between shrines through empty areas, maybe finding the occasional monster camp with the same couple enemies over and over, is not my idea of a very compelling world.

And that's another thing. I understand why people don't particularly care for the melee combat in Skyrim, but at least you were fighting tons of different enemies with different attack patterns and whatnot. In Breath of the Wild, you were always just fighting the same few enemies over and over. Pretty dull.

And what habits or thoughts did I question? The smoking thing? That's just an expression, man. Don't take it seriously.

Mountains and hills are no match for horses, no matter how steep.

@Snaplocket I'm not stating them as facts. I just find it incredibly tiresome to have to slap "IMO" all over every single post. You'll notice Ralizah is doing the same thing, yet you didn't call him out. Not that I have a problem with what he's saying at all.

@KirbyTheVampire BotW's combat is fantastic. There are so many factors to consider in a battle, from the reach and durability of your weapon, to dodging and parrying, to considering how to use the environment to your advantage in a battle... it's the only Zelda game where I actually felt like I needed to stop and consider how the environment was laid out and prepare beforehand instead of just blindly rushing in to fight a group of enemies.

In Skyrim, there's no skill or strategy involved. It's easily the worst aspect of the game. You're just flailing your arms at them until they're dead if you're going for melee combat. Otherwise, you strafe and shoot fire/arrows/whatever.

EDIT: IMO.

EDIT 2: @Nekoo77 Horses indeed suck in both Skyrim and BotW. They're definitely more useful in Skyrim, though, thanks to no hang-glider and generally decreased mobility on foot.

@Snaplocket I can't see any justification for that last sentence of yours in your second-to-last post. Please keep those thoughts to yourself.

Can we all just assume when people write something, they're just giving their opinion. It is indeed tiresome and unnecessary to qualify each post as opinion.

@Ralizah Oh they suck for sure, but they are good for mountain climbing