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Magician

And here I was so certain Nintendo and NVIDIA would opt the Xavier SoC for the next Switch.

Seems as though rumors of Orin are gaining traction.

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revowp

@StuTwo I agree. However, I don’t want any upgrade that renders my current game collection obsolete, barring the current Switch. Which, I would imagine Nintendo will do.

Which, for me, not Nintendo for obvious reasons, the Pro Upgrade makes more sense. Looks like it won’t happen that way tho.

Thanks for everyone’s input

revowp

StuTwo

@revowp I'm not sure why you think that a next generation Switch will render your existing collection obsolete.

I think most people expect that the Switch successor will be backwards compatible - almost every Nintendo handheld has been natively backwards compatible with the software of the one before (with the exception being the Switch itself not being compatible with the 3DS library). Likewise most Nintendo home consoles have been natively backwards compatible with the software of the one before it (again the Switch itself is an exception). I'd be astonished if the next Nintendo console doesn't play Switch games (although Nintendo does occasionally astonish me).

Aside from that though - your Switch games won't become "obsolete" anyway - they will remain fun to play for decades to come on your existing Switch even if you can't play them on a successor device. They don't stop being fun just become a new console has been released!

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Matt_Barber

@Magician I wouldn't totally rule out a Xavier based Switch Pro. The X1 was already a couple of years old when the Switch launched and I don't think it's the Nintendo way generally to go with bleeding edge technology.

I'd think that Orin offers so much more that waiting for it makes sense though. Certainly if they want to stay at around 5W power draw when handheld but also able to deliver a convincing 4K experience via DLSS when docked, that's about the only way they're going to get it. Again though, I can't see it being among the first flush of devices to use it.

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scannerdarkly7

I think it would even be disappointing if the big N did drop a Switch Pro. It'd be like trying to buy a PS5 at the moment, having to wake up early with the aid of Twitter bots to try and get one. I mean if I couldn't buy an Amiibo, I doubt I'd have any luck getting a new console at the moment.

I think game releases would also be left in an even worse state of performance, with Switch Pro users having something that runs well, while base model scrubs would be left with a slideshow.

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SKTTR

Nintendo wouldn't release a big online game like Splatoon 3 for Switch if there's not at least one year of life left in the console upon Splatoon 3's release.

I predict at least one more year of Switch support after Splatoon 3 is out in 2022.
2023 is the closest date that I can expect a successor.

Btw, what happened to the other big Switch online game Knives Out?

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VoidofLight

@SKTTR That.. truthfully means nothing. Splatoon 3 doesn’t mean the switch only has a year left to live. It’s an online game that has to be supported many years after release.

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SKTTR

@VoidofLight I said at least 1 year extra lifespan. Minimum not maximum.

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revowp

The disappointment I have levelled at Nintendo isn’t because I want a successor to Switch. That’s something that never crossed my mind.

Nintendo cut costs to bring out the Switch. ‘Decent’ hardware at the time of release but hardly cutting edge… It was a great move because they hit a good price with innovative design, whilst still making a profit on the hardware. They also sell software at a similar price to their ‘non’ competitors making the console even more profitable for Nintendo.

I keep mentioning Apple’s approach but it’s even more successful (or profitable, depending how you view these things)… They don’t redesign they create an upgrade path… Slightly better processor, more memory, missing features… but yes… at a premium. They don’t (generally) break the software that you use with these upgrades and pretty much once you are in, your in. I’m not saying I’m a fan of this approach but you don’t have to upgrade all the time, you have a choice…

Like it or loathe it, these companies are in this game for profit… they may have different cultures but it all boils down to the same thing… money.

If/when Nintendo release a ‘successor’ to the Switch… who can say if it will be successful… it may well be the Wii U of the next generation. Who knows…

The Switch Pro that was rumoured… not promised… could’ve addressed many issues with the Switch that have been mentioned just in this post… there’s plenty more online if you fancy googling it… but it’s still a great console, I want it to remain successful… I don’t like re-buying all my games over and over when a new console arrives…

I know someone will say that Nintendo isn’t like that, they think of their fans… but they think about profit more… I’m at an age where I have seen all the console wars and seen some great consoles wither and die at the hands of inferior machines… I’ve also seen some of the underhand tactics employed by the Big N in the past to maximise their profits… I still like them though 😎

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VoidofLight

@revowp Yes, they think about profit, and wouldn’t want to split the userbase so they can maximize profit.

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VoidofLight

@revowp Also, apple’s approach only works for phones. Game consoles are an entirely different beast, and going the apple route would only make game development more messy. It would split the userbase between upgrades, and if they did forego generations, then none of the games can take advantage of the new hardware, given they’d have to run on the old hardware too.

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kkslider5552000

@revowp Wow this take is bad enough and assumes every business model will work exactly the same as each other, no other context needed....

...You would fit in great at a tech site!

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VoidofLight

@kkslider5552000 Agreed. This guy doesn’t get that phones are entirely different than consoles, and how game development might suffer due to this..

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revowp

@kkslider5552000 @VoidofLight I actually do fully understand how different the markets are… the point I was making was that upgrading the hardware doesn’t necessarily break the software… there are some issues with the Switch which will obviously be a part of that experience for 7 plus years then… forget upgrade paths… and release a new console which may or may not be successful for Nintendo… but we’ll always have the memories…

I didn’t mention Mobile Phones… I mentioned Apple… but then again IPads may well be big Mobile Phones… and yes they are markedly different… however, like all businesses they need to compete… Apple will venture into Nintendo territory if it sees big profits. Nintendo has a great future, but it needs to take the right steps… the Wii U nearly ended all that following the domination of the Wii… History does repeat itself…

I seem to recall some great hardware from Sega some years ago… hmmm…

revowp

VoidofLight

@revowp Nintendo won’t go the way of Sega. Console upgrades would hurt the industry more than you take into account. Recycling the same device means nothing can actually be innovative, and games can never actually never get better.

Yea, upgrading hardware doesn’t break software, but it also means that the software can’t take advantage of said new hardware, given it needs to run on the original system too. This means that if a console has an upgraded SSD, the world design won’t be able to take advantage of that SSD, due to needing to be able to run on the original hardware..

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revowp

@VoidofLight I agree… although I don’t believe Nintendo have been particularly innovative with their software… but then again… maybe that’s not a bad thing either… (on the Switch btw not overall).

I’m just searching for the perfect all rounder… the Switch is/was close but just fell short (imho)… an upgrade may or may not have addressed those issues for me… seemingly not for others.

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rallydefault

Discussions like this are mostly academic. For starters, you're debating against (probably) like-minded enthusiasts on an internet forum; everyone here has taken the time to find this website, sign up on it, read articles and posts, etc.

The vast, vast majority of consumers don't do this. The Switch userbase is dominated by families and kids and people who just use the system and play games. And guess what? They've spoken with their wallets, and the Switch continues to sell incredibly well no matter how powerful it is. And guess what? The OLED is gonna sell incredibly well, too, even though it isn't any more powerful than the current model.

Nintendo has zero - ZERO - reason to jump to a more powerful SOC at this point. Don't fix what isn't broken. Meanwhile we, the "elites," can continues to sit here and complain about the atrocities Nintendo has committed until the cows come home, but it's not how most people feel.

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SViper

When I see this thread name in newest I think of this: when did they had time reveal another model when they recently reveal OLED model which is just design upgrade not hardware upgrade even better screen could be kinda considered hardware upgrade, so.

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Punisher67

Switch pro would seem obvious but it’s not an easy one. Huge install base of switch and no imminent slow down suggests a switch pro creates potentially more problems than it solves from Nintendo’s perspective and I can see their point (and I am firmly in the camp that the switch is dating badly)

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SwitchForce

A Switch Pro or Super Switch doesn't create problem-people are just imagining this. A lite came out and it cause no issue so how does a GPU upgraded Switch cause problem? Software developers just program their games to match the GPU and nothing will be different. It's not just a GPU upgrade that matters it's the software developers they are constantly or every so often doing updates so a updated to take advantage of a updated GPU is all it takes. From Nintendo perspective a updated GPU will increase likelihood of more higher performing games comes to Nintendo leading to more revenue. How can they pass up on this incentive to make more money with higher performing games and gamers buyer a Super Switch to play them. Alot of people are making a hoopla for nothing here.

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