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Topic: Switch Pro Upgrade Disappointment

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revowp

The thing is, the most popular console of this generation seems to be the Switch. It’s not a traditional console but a ‘mobile’ hybrid device, much like an iPad or Android Tablet… which can also be played on the Tv. It’s a brilliant concept, and probably the reason it is so successful.

The problem arises with the fact it is old technology. Games had/have to be dumbed down to play on the system… well to a certain extent anyway. Exclusive games can be played on a PC using emulation and in full HD. (I’m not condoning this, just saying it’s possible), so hardly cutting edge stuff.

All console systems only truly shine 4-5 years in as developers start to push the power of a console, add Nintendo’s uniqueness and that’s why the older systems came alive then (imho).

The Switch was underpowered on release… it’s a ‘mobile’ system and as such sits in a different category to PS & XB… it needs a refresh, not a cosmetic refresh, but a full and true upgrade… not one that excludes those with earlier models but encourages developers to push the system further…

Not that I would buy it anyway… but why does Switch get Legacy Editions of FIFA et al…

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VoidofLight

@revowp People said the same about the Wii, Wii U, and 3Ds, failing to realize that Nintendo has never been on the technologically heavy side of the market. Just because the switch is underpowered doesn’t mean they’re switching to a new “mobile” market strategy. It just means that they’re doing yet another underpowered console.

You boast about how switching to a mobile strategy would be good, but all it would do is frustrate the people who can’t afford to buy a brand new switch every year in order to enjoy games as they’re meant to be played. Most people hate apple because they make a new phone every year that’s more expensive, yet barely any different than the last.

Edit: The switch gets legacy editions from EA, since EA is a crappy company that refuses to actually try on Nintendo platforms.

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SwitchForce

revowp wrote:

The thing is, the most popular console of this generation seems to be the Switch. It’s not a traditional console but a ‘mobile’ hybrid device, much like an iPad or Android Tablet…

Let's get Facts straight it's a Hybrid Console not a mobile device. This is how people trying to dismiss the Switch.

revowp wrote:

which can also be played on the Tv. It’s a brilliant concept, and probably the reason it is so successful.

These are the replies that missed the mark totally and why the Switch is a success. Comments that have no logic behind it.

SwitchForce

revowp

@VoidofLight whilst my post does suggest moving to an Apple type strategy, it really isn’t what I meant. I just think that 4 years into the lifespan of this type of console would’ve been a good time to release a more robust upgrade, one that will see through another 4 years.

The fact that Nintendo has indeed done what we have talked about already, but missed the trick of upgrading the power… We have the Original (mine, not exactly day one, but a couple of weeks after release), the upgrade to better battery model, the Switch Lite, the new upgrade to a better screen model… hmmm… seems quite clear that the Big N is following that strategy without giving anything, really, in return.

At least with Apple (and Samsung tbf) you get an uplift in processor power… and mostly… all the games you bought before still work… 😎

revowp

Snatcher

I don't need a switch pro, and there really is no handheld console that could replace it for me as no matter what the console is, will I be able to play pokemon? how about mario? legend of zelda? no I wouldn't.

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revowp

@SwitchForce I’m not sure I get your meaning… I apologise in advance if we are misunderstanding each other…

The Switch is a mobile device… not a mobile phone… a mobile device… like an iPad, a kindle, a 3DS… all mobile devices. It was dismissed because it can’t compete with the power of PS or XB… but we all know power isn’t everything.

The fact that it ‘Switches’ is (imho) the reason it’s successful. I haven’t bought a handheld console since the original gameboy, and I had no desire for one. However, the appeal is the fact I have a choice… with the same console… Tv or Handheld (still rarely use it this way, but still like the option).

It is a unique machine (for now) that is successful because it caught on… my reason for buying is the reason I’ve listed 😎… it’s not Nintendo’s name because the Wii U wouldn’t have failed if that was the case.

I like games on my IPad… but it misses (or I miss, should I say) an actual controller… you can buy one now but the game has to support it and not all of them do.

The Switch ‘Pro’ that was proposed seemed to be a good compromise… a bit more power… not enough to break older games, and a good enough excuse to replace my four year old Switch. Shame really…

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VoidofLight

@revowp Smaller revisions are always made in secret with most consoles, to either save money or improve upon the original. Things like the OLED and Lite are effectively your XL and lite models for their other handhelds.

Also, please don’t group the 3Ds with mobile devices, or ipads, as that’s not what it is. It’s a handheld gaming device, like the psvita or switch.

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Snatcher

@VoidofLight I really don't get what people don't get, the OLED was never meant to be your switch pro, not even a little, its an option they give you, just like the 2ds and such.

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VoidofLight

@Snatcher exactly. This is literally just a “Nintendo Switch XL”, except the bezel was removed since they can’t make the screen any bigger without making new joycons that only work on that switch model.

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Sisilly_G

The more Nintendo delays a new console, the better the end product is likely to be (specs-wise, anyway; drift and other QA issues notwithstanding), so I would much rather wait for something better than to have a negligible mid-generation update considering Nintendo's history with such revisions (fewer games seemed to take advantage of the New 3DS than the DSi back in the day).

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SKTTR

revowp wrote:

I just think that 4 years into the lifespan of this type of console would’ve been a good time to release a more robust upgrade, one that will see through another 4 years.

So you literally want the next Nintendo console, NOW!
You want to undermine Switch's success so that the next console can eat into the current Switch's sales.
A lifetime span of 5 years is expected at the very least.
If a console can't even last for 5 years, then why develop such hardware in the first place?

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TheAwesomeBowser

@PoliticallyIncorrect You are correct; the Wii went on for about six years, and the PS4 and Xbox One each had seven years as the flagship console. I expect at least three more years for the Switch's lifespan.

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Matt_Barber

While rumours of the imminent arrival of a Switch Pro should always be taken with a healthy pinch of salt, this article is a good read as to why there would be much to gain for Nintendo if they put it back another year or so:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-Lovelace-to-feature-in-n...

So, late next year at the best. Any later than that, and it'll probably be pitched as the next generation machine rather than a refresh though.

Matt_Barber

revowp

SKTTR wrote:

So you literally want the next Nintendo console, NOW!

No. Not the ‘NEXT’ console. A refresh of the current console. Adding in more power. I know I keep quoting Apples business model, which is not what I think it needs, but it’s an example of refreshing hardware without breaking the software.

The technology was shaky, and cheap, for Nintendo to produce at release… 4 years in to the cycle and it is clearly struggling to handle some games. This is a fickle industry, the Switch is a fantastic console, but companies are catching on.

revowp

Snatcher

@revowp Catching on? to what? nintendo was never in the race to begin with, There going to come out with whatever there going to come out with in like 4 to 2 years.

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Grumblevolcano

Microsoft killing off console generations is only partially true. Let's look at the Xbox Game Studios games for console released since Series X|S launch:

  • Gears Tactics (launch title) - crossgen
  • Flight Simulator (July 27th) - Series X|S console exclusive
  • Psychonauts 2 (August 25th) - crossgen
  • Forza Horizon 5 (November 9th) - crossgen
  • Halo Infinite (holiday 2021) - crossgen
  • As Dusk Falls (2021) - crossgen
  • CrossfireX (2021) - crossgen
  • Everything releasing 2022 or later - Series X|S console exclusive

So in a sense isn't much different from how some 3rd parties treat console generation transitions (1 year of crossgen and then go next gen exclusive). The big difference is the introduction of cloud versions, later this year you'll be able to play Series X|S console exclusives on your XB1 via xCloud much like how you can play Hitman 3 and Control on the Switch (but unlike the Switch situation, xCloud is connected to a subscription rather than purchasing individual cloud versions of games).

Given the Switch is already delving into cloud versions, Nintendo may go a similar route. A Switch with a power upgrade gets released and the existing Switch gets supported more via cloud versions meanwhile the new Switch gets native ports.

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revowp

Snatcher wrote:

Catching on?

- To what makes the Switch successful. Yes Nintendo games also sell the system but it’s the innovative hardware that has made the Switch the success it is. Nintendo can’t compete at those levels because they make profit from Hardware AND Software. Sony, MS and Valve et al produce hardware at a loss and expect profit on Software.

@Grumblevolcano Great reply. It does make sense, even though Nintendo seem to be wary of Online. Think Piracy and how they would make profit from cloud gaming would be key to their decision making though. Microsoft will be heavily involved in that research and it looks like they are more open with Nintendo these days, or is it the other way round. Who knows…

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VoidofLight

@Grumblevolcano Honestly, Microsoft claiming to get rid of gens is just a marketing stunt, which they’ll follow through to a year, and then drop after people have long forgotten, since the games will suffer being developed for both platforms.

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StuTwo

revowp wrote:

The technology was shaky, and cheap, for Nintendo to produce at release…

I disagree - the technology was (and remains) less powerful than that in other home consoles but it was hardly "shaky" or cheap. At the time it was released it was probably the best balance between power and energy that could have been realised at the price point they needed to hit.

Maybe they could have done some things differently to give a better experience - that's always possible but it comes at the cost of pricing yourself out of the mass market. Nintendo was right not to do that.

4 years in to the cycle and it is clearly struggling to handle some games.

Like Monster Hunter Rise?

"Some games" will always struggle to run on hardware - however good that hardware is. That's not anything new. Yes the "impossible" AAA ports of games designed to look good on the PS5 and XBSX look increasingly pale on the Switch by comparison but these are just a handful of the games released on the Switch (and even there I'd suggest that it's often a cost balance between further optimising for Switch and the expediency of having a playable version of the game with "good enough" performance).

Would Animal Crossing have sold more copies last year if the Switch was more powerful? Did the console hold that game back in any way?

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None of which is to say that I wouldn't personally buy a Switch Pro if one were available (I would), I also personally think that Nintendo should have planned for an ongoing bi-annual update schedule.

But I don't think it was ever necessary and at this point now - 4 and a half years in - a Pro revision probably makes no sense. A more comprehensive leap forwards in 2022 or 2023, supported by a fresh slate of Nintendo first party games, is definitely more attractive and more likely to be successful.

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