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Topic: Rumor: New Switch model coming in September or October with announcement soon, new Metroid on the way this year

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Bolt_Strike

@Octane No, you're not getting what I mean by iPhone business model. Smartphones release models every year and support multiple of them. iPhone 12 is the latest last time I checked, but they're still supporting past iPhone models all the way back to like... iPhone 7 or something.

Now I don't think Nintendo will go that extreme, but something where games could be compatible with the Switch and Switch Pro for another 4 or 5 years (although unfortunately third parties would probably insist on Switch Pro exclusivity, but Nintendo would probably make most of their games compatible with both), then release a new model and phase out the current Switch and retain the Switch Pro and the next Switch model. Then after another 4 or 5 years, phase out the Switch Pro and retain the newest models. Again, the main hurdle here would be communicating which models are compatible with which games, but if they can find a way to make that clear to gamers, that might be the way to go here.

skywake wrote:

Well the Switch has already been out for as long as the Wii U was before the Switch launched so it's not exactly less time. And even if it was, while our monkey brains can't stand the FOMO the reality is the console model cutoff is objectively worse. You're talking about 4-5 years of life for hardware before being cut out of some titles via incrementally better but compatible hardware? The console model is 5-6 years of life for hardware before the doors slam shut on the previous hardware.

If you were a Wii U owner who didn't pick up a Switch at launch? Within the first year you missed out on Super Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2, Mario + Rabbids and Xenoblade Chronicles 2. These games, for the most part, could've existed on Wii U. And on the other side people who picked up the Switch and didn't have a Wii U? They'd have to wait for ports of Wii U games if they wanted to play them on their new hardware.

The console model isn't great for consumers.

This too. The console model really doesn't make a lot of sense for consumers, especially since hardware improvements have been experiencing diminishing returns to the point where I haven't been able to tell the difference between a past gen game and a next gen game since like... the 360 and PS3. Having these arbitrary cutoff dates when console manufacturers stop supporting hardware is very anti-consumer, if you had more of an iPhone model there's less pressure to get the newest model and you would just upgrade when your old model is naturally incapable of running newer games. I see this as a win-win for gamers and developers, developers can sell more models, capitalize more on collectors, and can develop higher end games without having to arbitrarily wait until the manufacturers decide they want to release their next gen hardware, and consumers can hold onto their devices and only upgrade on an as-needed basis.

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Bolt_Strike

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Octane

@Bolt_Strike I mean, if they can assure that ALL games will be compatible with the OG Switch until at least the Switch Pro 2 comes out in, say, 2025, then I have no problem with it. But Nintendo has pushed mid-gen exclusives before with the new 3DS, so I'll probably have to buy their consoles more often if I want to be guaranteed I can play all their games. The way I see it is just an additional 300 purchase every couple of years. So it really depends on whether there are exclusives from day one or not.

Octane

gcunit

This idea of exclusive games is pony. Monster Hunter Rise has just reached 7mill. If it had released as an exclusive to the new Switch iteration it would be sitting around 1-2mill. tops.

There might be exclusives, but I doubt they'll be the big hitters.

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Bolt_Strike

@Octane That's not a realistic expectation. You can probably expect MOST first party game will be, Nintendo will want to make sure their games are accessible to as much of the Switch userbase as possible. The third parties though? They'll probably consider the older models too weak for what they want (they already are with the Switch, they'd probably consider the same with the Switch Pro in 2025) and you'd have to buy in on the frequent upgrades to get the third party support.

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GrailUK

@Octane Don't you have a PS5? Play stuff on that? It's more likely AAA games anyhoo. No way Nintendo is going to make exclusives. That's crazy talk. Maybe in a couple of years time, more in line with your timing to prod folk over to the upgrade lol. I only have a Switch and will upgrade in a heartbeat. One obvious boon is Nintendo have a business model that can react quicker to competitors wanting some of the Nintendo pie (which they will be. They always do without 'getting it'.)

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PSVR_lover

Lets face it, the switch is due for an upgrade. I’m so looking fwd to it.

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SwitchForce

PSVR_lover wrote:

Lets face it, the switch is due for an upgrade. I’m so looking fwd to it.

The NintenDoomed fandom would like you to think otherwise.

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Grumblevolcano

I think recent 1st party games shows even Nintendo's struggling with the Switch hardware specs at times. The old stuff runs well like the old content in ports and remasters but recent new content and new games are rather rough for framerate like Bowser's Fury and Age of Calamity.

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GrailUK

@Slowdive One better be a BotW edition!!!

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Eel

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skywake

@Octane @Bolt_Strike
Back on this discussion, it's worth noting that on an ecosystem like IOS there are different kinds of "incompatible". There's the kind where the performance isn't quite up to par but it is possible to run the code. Then there's literally incompatible in the "it won't even load" sense. And, to play devil's advocate, on an ecosystem like IOS Apple can just decree that new application submissions must drop certain legacy IOS compatibilities. They'll say for security reasons but it's definitely a thing.

With the move from 3DS -> New 3DS the incompatibility was mostly of the "performance" kind. Even where content was locked to the New 3DS we can pretty confidently say it was because of performance. The New 3DS wasn't a trivial jump, it was about 2X the CPU clock speed, 2X the core count, 2X the RAM and slightly under a 2X GPU clock bump. So having some content exclusive made sense, I expect a "Switch Pro" will be similar.

But here's the core of the discussion. Are we ok with the current model where console makers continue to sell us hardware that's significantly less powerful than they could be? Burning late adopters with unnecessarily underperforming hardware with a short lifespan and burning early adopters with a small library? Or would we rather a continuous improvement of the hardware available at the cost of edge case software incompatilities for luddites who refuse to upgrade?

Personally, I prefer to be able to walk into a shop and being able to buy a thing on the shelf having a fair idea this year's model has at least 4 years in it. Or being able to recommend hardware to someone without really having to worry that the next thing is going to immediately leave them out in the cold.

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GrailUK

@skywake If the base unit is going to be Xbox 1ish level, and dlss can boost it to XBox1X, then I reckon it has a good 4 years in it, easy. But I have no idea what performance the rumours are thinking it will be lol.

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Matt_Barber

Grumblevolcano wrote:

I think recent 1st party games shows even Nintendo's struggling with the Switch hardware specs at times. The old stuff runs well like the old content in ports and remasters but recent new content and new games are rather rough for framerate like Bowser's Fury and Age of Calamity.

While it'd be nice to think that a couple of recent games were slipped out with sub-par performance in the knowledge that new hardware would soon arrive to bump them up, you've only got to look at Xenoblade 2 in handheld mode to see that this isn't exactly a new thing, and that such compromises go right back to 2017.

That said, at least they're now in a position where the technology might be available to fix them. While I'd think it unrealistic to expect native 4K rendering, 120fps and HDR from the Switch Pro, there are a heck of a lot of games where just getting a steady frame rate without resolution scaling could make all the difference.

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skywake

While we're talking about specs it's worth noting that the Switch Lite and 2019 Switch revisions were already higher spec than the launch Switch. Not a significant bump, about a 20% GPU performance improvement, but a performance bump all the same. It just had almost no fanfare around it so people have been able to carry on as if it didn't happen.

I think this is also part of why some people are clinging onto their doubts about the Switch Pro. There have been leaks of Switch revisions since not long after the Switch launched. The thing is a lot of the leaks around 2018/19 were about that 2019 Switch revision. Which happened, but people understandably forget or don't realise it happened. And then in 2020 we started getting leaks about the Switch Pro which is going to happen but people are primed to doubt leaks now.

If you were only partially paying attention you might conclude that "there are always leaks about Switch revisions and none have happened yet". Which isn't that wrong. Because the 2019 revision didn't feel like a hardware revision and, because of the multiple revisions, there have been leaks of new revisions since day 1

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Atomic77

The Switch Lite is all ready a pretty big revision. I could imagine the Switch Pro or what ever its called when it does actually come out will have to be something totally radical beyond the power of the switch and switch lite if it is to catch on and do well.

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jump

I don’t expect first party exclusives but I wouldn’t be shocked if the “Pro” is just so they can get GTA5 and COD to run on the Switch. I can see the addition of those games selling the Pro itself.

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Zeldafan79

I never bought a PS4 Pro just like i won't be buying any so called switch pro if anything of that sort even exists. The base systems are just fine thank you very much! I'd rather wait for the next generation successor than to blow another wad on a stop gap machine.

If you really can't stand that the switch isn't getting all the games released on other hardware because it's too weak then get those other already available systems. If you're so eager to shell out for a switch upgrade then do it. They already exist.

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MarioBrickLayer

jump wrote:

I don’t expect first party exclusives but I wouldn’t be shocked if the “Pro” is just so they can get GTA5 and COD to run on the Switch. I can see the addition of those games selling the Pro itself.

I think you're right. If you had GTA5 + COD + Madden + Assassins Creed Valhalla type games then I think the pro model could equal the sales of the original Switch.

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jump

Zeldafan79 wrote:

If you're so eager to shell out for a switch upgrade then do it. They already exist.

What exactly do you mean by that? The small almost invisible increase they did to the base model?

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Zeldafan79

@jump
I mean if you want a more powerful system then why don't you buy the ones that already exist? PS4/PS5 or whatever. You don't wanna miss out on certain games because the switch is too weak to run them well There's your solution. We don't need a slight upgrade to the switch. It wouldn't sell and would become obsolete as soon as Nintendos next gen system got announced.

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