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Topic: Rumor: New Switch model coming in September or October with announcement soon, new Metroid on the way this year

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jump

@Zeldafan79 I doubt it wouldn’t sell, Switch is already selling well so a deluxe/super/pro version would be at least as in demand as the Switch and probably more so since it can also be sold to the existing Switch users too.

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Kaori-chan

@Zeldafan79 Have you tried playing some Switch games in handheld mode? There's a clear market there for people who want to play games like Xenoblade on the go above 378-540p. A lot of other games also look blurry in handheld. Also, don't forget that a lot of people that have the Switch already have those consoles you mentioned. The selling point for a lot of them being Nintendo's exclusives and the ability to play wherever you want, with multiple control options. When it released, the Switch's slogan around here was "Play anywhere, anytime, with anyone", so it was kind of the main selling point. Having full-sized console experiences on a handheld console has been something a lot of people have wanted for a long time, if some titles that are not possible on the base model come to a "Pro" revision, I can see quite a few people waiting to buy that one, and double-dipping. Happened with the 3DS with people getting multiple systems because of all the different models, and potentially there would be even more reason to upgrade now if it's true that it'll support things like DLSS and have an OLED 7 inches screen.

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skywake

Zeldafan79 wrote:

I never bought a PS4 Pro just like i won't be buying any so called switch pro if anything of that sort even exists. The base systems are just fine thank you very much! I'd rather wait for the next generation successor than to blow another wad on a stop gap machine.

Why are you so sure there will even be a next generation? Just look at the approach Microsoft is taking now, the XBox Series isn't really a traditional "new generation" of console. It's in the name, it's another hardware platform in the "Xbox Series". It has it's exclusives and it has some titles from the previous "generation" it can't play (it doesn't support Kinect) but for the most part it's the same platform.

If you walk into a store and pick up an XBox Series title odds are you can play it on an XBox One. If you buy an XBox One title odds are it'll run on XBox Series but at a higher resolution & framerate. This is the death of the concept of console generations and it is undeniably a good thing for consumer. If this Switch Pro is what it sounds like it's going to be Nintendo is heading down that same path.

Zeldafan79 wrote:

If you really can't stand that the switch isn't getting all the games released on other hardware because it's too weak then get those other already available systems.

What makes you think it's purely about multi-platform titles? I mean it'd be nice if there was the option to play something like Shadow of the Tomb raider on a portable console. That's certainly part of the appeal. But so is the prospect of BotW2 running at a locked 60fps. Or playing Metroid Prime 4 on an OLED panel with deep blacks and full HDR. There is plenty of room between a PC with a 3080 and the Switch as it currently exists, it's not a question of one or the other. The Switch can slide up that scale a tad

Zeldafan79 wrote:

We don't need a slight upgrade to the switch. It wouldn't sell and would become obsolete as soon as Nintendos next gen system got announced.

What would a "next gen" system actually have? Define what "next gen" means. Because I'm doubtful you'll come up with much other than a generational leap in performance. And if you're into the idea of that why aren't you into the idea of a generational leap in performance without the baggage of platform change?

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jump

@Slowdive I wouldn’t even say the key factor is software. The New 3DS sold well despite having a handful of exclusives that weren’t even really popular.

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skywake

Based on the current rumours I'd argue it'll sell well by being the SKU people buy when they want to play Switch games on their TV. It'll be the "Switch Pro" and the Switch Lite on the shelves, the regular Switch will be phased out. Really, the Switch is currently selling faster than all other platforms combined so I don't think sales will be much of an issue

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Octane

@GrailUK They did it with Xenoblade on the new 3DS, right?

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GrailUK

@Octane Well, you are right there mate Gah, if they do announce something exclusive, I'll want one even more! O...M...G...Xenoblade Chronicles X? DAY ONE!*

(*Thing is, I can't think of anything they could re-release that wouldn't work on the Switch OG. So I'm inclined to think stuff will just look better.)

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jump

Slowdive wrote:

@jump It sold well probably because people were expecting more in the long run. Nintendo cannot afford such an approach anymore, especially when you already have such a huge install base of overall dedicated gamers.

But the install base (the OG owners) aren't the same people who buy the Switch Pro though.

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GrailUK

@Slowdive I wouldn't mind games being $10 more expensive using those as I can see where the money is going.

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jump

@Slowdive Well Ninty are predicting 20ish million Switch sales this FY and it will be at least half way through the year by the time it comes out plus Lite will still be on sale making up some of those numbers. That's leaving out a far bigger chunk of their users than Pro players.

I'm still in the camp it will be an enhanced version of the Switch rather than a successor so I'm not expecting many new exclusive games from Ninty. Nintendo based on the past with the 3DS actually toned down their games like the 3D effect wasn't used as much in Zelda to make sure it was still accessible to those players.

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WoomyNNYes

@Slowdive Oh, that's right. Seeing that reminds me, OLEDs actually turn pixels off for blacks, which helps save power. (correct me if I'm wrong).

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GrailUK

@Slowdive Wowsers! Much better clarity!

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skywake

@WoomyNNYes
Think of LCD panels as a series of tiny tinted shutters with a backlight behind it. Black on an LCD panel is like a bright white light shining at a closed window. You're still shining a bright white light at it so you don't save any energy and some of the light gets through so it's a bit more of a grey than black.

OLED is more like a bunch of tiny coloured lights. If you want black you just don't turn the light on. You can't get darker than a light not turned on so black on an OLED panel is really black. And because the light isn't turned on you're not using power, because the light isn't on.

Of course it's slightly complicated by the fact that the backlights on higher end LCD panels are typically brighter than OLED. And that higher end LCDs are able to turn the backlight on parts of the panel off in dark scenes. But in general, OLED panels use less power and have better blacks.... and lower latency

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SwitchForce

OLED is coming regardless it's how it's implemented and have to remember it does have a lifespan as LCD/LED does so nothing last forever. But if the QC is good then it will last long to come and then we can buy and DIY display when it comes without have to get a complete new SSNS down the pipe.

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WoomyNNYes

@SwitchForce OH YEAH. That reminds me. I wonder if the Pro will have a plastic screen like the Switch, or tougher glass like on modern phones/tablets? I guess we'll find out.

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SwitchForce

WoomyNNYes wrote:

@SwitchForce OH YEAH. That reminds me. I wonder if the Pro will have a plastic screen like the Switch, or tougher glass like on modern phones/tablets? I guess we'll find out.

That's a good one to know as well. If it's glass I'd pay more just to have it but then again those screen protector makers might not like this. lol

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ophone

@Slowdive
I'm glad I'm not the only one having messed up with the screen protector. xD

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Bolt_Strike

@skywake Yeah, I really feel like the idea of a "next gen" console has really been watered down to the point of becoming fairly arbitrary. Like, I can barely tell the difference between the graphics and there's often very little that changes that gives me the impression of "this is a definitive step forward for gaming". Then again, I'm less performance conscious than most gamers seem to be.

Now Nintendo does like to use new generations to experiment with new controller types, but they don't really need a new generation for that anymore. They've already been selling experimental control types, such as Labo and Ring Fit, mid gen so they can keep experimenting whenever they have an idea. And even for primary controller types, since the "main" part of the Switch is literally just a screen and the Joycons are detachable, they can create whatever type of new Joycon or control type they want and just have it attach to the screen. The Switch is actually brilliantly futureproofed so they can update the different parts of the console on an as needed basis instead of having to start from square one every 4-8 years. And frankly I think it would be better this way since past Nintendo consoles have tended to reinvent the wheel with their controllers and throw out features that actually benefitted gaming. I want Nintendo to create innovative new control types that add to what we already have, not replace it.

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Grumblevolcano

@Bolt_Strike The next gen consoles at the moment pretty much paint the picture of "Look at all these games that ran like trash on the previous consoles, they actually run well now". As new hardware approaches, the focus becomes the new hardware and older hardware owners either get left behind completely or get games running poorly on the older hardware.

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Bolt_Strike

@Grumblevolcano Again, I can't even tell that much, hardware manufacturers adding more pixels or making the framerate slightly smoother goes largely unnoticed to me. So it really feels more like new hardware for the sake of getting an extra couple hundred bucks to keep playing games. Also part of the reason I tend to be more of a Nintendo gamer, because they tend to do more with their consoles than just a largely unnoticeable bump in performance.

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