Topic: Nintendo 64 (Switch Online)

For the Game Boy and GBA being on NSO, do you think they will put Pokémon Gen 1-3 on them along with Pokémon Stadium on N64 app? If so I am definitely getting the upgrade.

@Don
I personally wouldn't count on Pokemon but I'm open to being pleasantly surprised. And N64/GB connectivity seems like a bit of a stretch. Again, I'm open to being surprised

I will say, its slightly bizarre to see people hold up unofficial N64 emulators as a superior example of emulation when they were a consistent pain to deal with for various reasons. I did three N64 Let's Plays back in the day (among playing other games on my own time), and all of them ultimately had issues that were sometimes obnoxious to deal with (doubly so with my previous laptop). Not to mention weird graphical flaws not in the actual games (what do you prefer, broken transitions and occasional graphical issues in Paper Mario, or a grid appearing in the sky of Megaman 64? :V).

I have to assume the people who said that are either not at all knowledgable about N64 emulators or are TOO knowledgeable about emulators. That's why these re-releases tend to do well even if they have issues (though we'll see with this one) because official sources are generally just easier to deal with. Convenience is always a massive selling point for these, and if nothing else, this is convenient.

It is however worth noting that there were only 21 games on the Wii VC for N64 and the same number for the Wii U VC and 26 across both. Excluding Japan only titles NSO for N64 has 16 games announced of which 3 weren't on the VC. If all the games that made it to the Wii U/Wii VC return on NSO we get to 29 games. Include Rare titles which is likely but excluding the two with tricky licencing (one of which being Goldeneye) and that goes up to 36. Which puts us basically at 38

If the above happened that would mean the remaining games were:
1080 Snowboarding
Bomberman Hero
Cruis'n USA
Mario Party 2
Ogre Battle 64
Pokemon Puzzle League
Smash Bros
Wave Race 64
Donkey Kong 64
Excitebike 64
Harvest Moon 64
Banjo Tooie
Blast Corps
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Diddy Kong Racing
Jet Force Gemini
Killer Instinct Gold
Perfect Dark

plus two more....

@skywake Pilotwings 64 and Rocket Robot on Wheels please

@GrailUK
huh, how about that. I never noticed that. Pretty unusual that one of the two launch games for the N64 was never released on the VC. Also unusually one of the only Nintendo first party titles from the N64 that never made it to the VC, the other being Animal Crossing. Very highly likely it'll make it to NSO I'd think

@skywake It's easy for me to notice because I adored Pilotwings 64 So much so, I had to grab the other Paradigm games;
Beetle Adventure Racing
F1 (and I hate F1!)
Duck Dodgers (underrated)
and a fighter plane game whose name escapes me at the mo lol.

If the list was ordered by alphabetically with English name, surely OoT and MM would be further up the list with them sorted under "T" or "L" (if "the" is ignored in the sorting), not "Z"?

@Grumblevolcano It's probably ordered by the Japanese names.

That would put Zelda no Densetsu right at the end, at any rate.

@GrailUK

F1 World Grand Prix and F1 World Grand Prix II were the only Formula One games on N64 that were on par with F1 on PS1. And that makes them two of the best racers on the system. They're kind of underrated and forgotten, which is weird as they were not only the best F1 games, but they were also published by Nintendo just like Pilotwings 64.

The Paradigm game you don't remember the name of is Aerofighters Assault.

Since the names are alphabetical for Japan I bet there's no Mario Party 1.

There is Mario Party 2 at #14, Mario Party 3 at #15, and then Mario Story (Paper Mario) at #16.

@SKTTR YES! THANK YOU!

Here's what I've got so far.

01 Banjo-Kazooie
02 Bomberman 64
03 Bomberman Hero
04 Cruis'n USA
05 Dairantou Smash Bros. (Super Smash Bros.)
06 Donkey Kong 64
07 Dr. Mario 64
08 Excitebike 64
09 F-ZERO X
10 Harvest Moon 64
11 Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
12 Mario Golf
13 Mario Kart 64
14 Mario Party 2
15 Mario Party 3
16 Mario Story (Paper Mario)
17 Mario Tennis
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26 Ogre Battle 64: Person of Lordly Caliber
27 Pokémon Puzzle League
28 Pokémon Snap
29 Sin and Punishment
30 Star Fox 64
31 Super Mario 64
32 Ten-Eighty Snowboarding (1080° Snowboarding)
33 Wave Race 64
34 Win Back
35
36 Yoshi's Story
37 Zelda: Majora's Mask
38 Zelda: Ocarina of Time

I filled them out with the N64 games that are released on Wii and Wii U Virtual Console (because they are the most likely) and the second wave of N64 NSO.

I added Mario Party 3 since nothing else fits in there and Mario Party 1 is likely out of the question.
And I assume Custom Robo doesn't leave Japan.

So, there's still a massive gap from #18 - #28 (I snugged in Ogre Battle 64 and the two Pokémon games there) and the one at #35 that shouldn't be hard to figure out. Shame it cannot be Wetrix or Yuke! Yuke! Troublemakers, but it could be Worms Armageddon or Wild Choppers (Chopper Attack).

As for the massive gap, games that could fit in there are Perfect Dark, Pilotwings 64, Rayman 2, Resident Evil 2, Ridge Racer 64, Rocket: Robot on Wheels, Shadowgate 64.

That said, it's weird that some games like Zelda are refered to their Japanese names while others (Tsumi to Batsu: Hoshi no Keishousha aka Sin and Punishment) are not.
And with stuff like this in place I'm not sure where to put games like Bokujou Monogatari 2 aka Harvest Moon 64.

There's obviously also the chance that not all N64 games we got on Wii and Wii U will come back.
So if one of the Bomberman's or Cruis'n USA won't be on NSO, it would make space for stuff like Banjo-Tooie.

Funny how the lists are kind of in an alphabetical order but it's a mix of Japanese and English titles. The N64 list has Ocarina of Time in the last row because it starts with the word Zelda in Japanese despite all the other games being ordered by their English title. The Mega Drive list also follows English titles but Streets of Rage 2 and Castlevania: Bloodlines use their Japanese names. As does Puyo Puyo but that's a given. The Japanese titles are also following English alphabetical order and not Japanese "fifty sounds order".

Just found it interesting. I was first looking at the thing thinking it was ordered by the Japanese title and had a moment wondering if they were really going to add 8 more games starting with Mario since Dr. Mario 64 starts with the word Mario in Japanese. Could also mean some other games might take a different spot than what would make the most sense.

I've watched some videos and the input lag in Ocarina of Time looks pretty bad. I'm surprised they charge so much extra money for this.

If they want to make the price somewhat worthwhile they should fix the issues and create a LARGE library of games fast. Although to be fair, that's a bit difficult given that there aren't that many N64 games...

@SKTTR I think #32 might be the Shindou version of Super Mario 64, I doubt it'll stay exclusive to the delisted 3D All Stars.

This list is crushing some dreams, I know. No room left for GoldenEye, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Diddy Kong Racing, Jet Force Gemini, Killer Instinct, Blast Corps, not even Banjo-Tooie! Unless many of the Virtual Console releases drop out.

What makes you think that? If it's not 1080° it must be Super Smash Bros.
And alphabetically Shindou comes before Super.

Also, the 3D All-Stars version comes with all the features of Shindou Super Mario 64 but it also has hi-res textures and sprites, and is available in all languages, and comes with 1080p versions of Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy. If Shindou Super Mario 64 is going waste one of the slots on N64 NSO it would be inferior to the 3D All-Stars version.

Of all the technical things people have complained about I'm the least convinced about the input lag. Curious if people are recording while being in online mode or if it's a like-for-like comparison in terms of display. Because I certainly didn't notice any significant input lag in the games I've played.....

Yeah I haven’t noticed anything like that either.

Ocarina of Time plays like it’s always done.

i played Mario 64 and there...might be a slight input delay. Very slight and subtle, and I'd have to check with the original game again (I'd have to go to my dad's place to use a CRT TV though lol). I mean, if I think it might just based on what I played, and it fits in with what others have said, yeah its probably an actual thing.

I'd compare it to play control when going from a 60 FPS to a 30 FPS version of a game, if even that. But unless you're incredibly familiar with these games, you're probably not gonna notice or care. Especially by comparison if they add enough of the less polished, more dated N64 games.

Literally every half-defense of this I should just put a disclaimer saying that these issues should be fixed and you should probably avoid paying 50 dollars a year. Like literally any positive thing I say will not negate those two things.

@kkslider5552000
If it's that subtle it's likely smaller than the upscalers you'd have to go through to put native N64 content on a modern TV anyways. And certainly smaller than the input delay added by online play. Or what we had playing on the Wii U gamepad (which also added noise and softened the image)

Also if we want to properly test input lag we should compare to other titles on the same Switch and same TV. Not N64 titles played on a CRT

But yeah, I think it's been overblown a bit. Although admittedly my only significant experience with N64 is the VC service and very, very casual use of emulators in the early 2000s