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Madao

@BrazillianCara Sure they will add more games, but judging by the nes and SNES libraries, it will be a slow trickle, probably even slower for this one since the N64 library is not as rich.

In terms of dlc, I doubt they will add more. I think they just added this one because they know their offering is weak. Even if they add more though, you don't even get to keep them after the sub runs out.

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kkslider5552000

I do agree with the suggestion I heard elsewhere that this might be Nintendo's excuse to pay more for good 3rd party licenses (which is likely what lead to Sega Genesis being on it in the first place). I'm pretty certain that's why NES/SNES has been so lacking beyond their own games, because they didn't think it was worthwhile to pay that much to 3rd parties, so a lot of them didn't bother (and to be fair, some of them wouldn't regardless).

That being said, after a few hours, I feel 100% confident in saying that based on what the service is right now, none of you should pay for it on your own. Get the family plan or don't get it at all, is my suggestion based on what we know of it.

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Pizzamorg

Holy *****, the price increase and the Animal Crossing inclusion... just a bonkers move. At least Nintendo made damn sure I wouldn't even be tempted by this. Saving me money, by charging such absurd amounts.

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@Pizzamorg £10 (or maybe even a bit less) could get you in on a family group for a year though. All those NSO games, plus access to the Animal Crossing DLC, for £10 as part of a group seems alright to me.

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skywake

Madao wrote:

In terms of dlc, I doubt they will add more. I think they just added this one because they know their offering is weak. Even if they add more though, you don't even get to keep them after the sub runs out.

When NSO launched there was just NES. Since then they added SNES, Tetris 99, Pacman 99, Mario 35 (limited), Game Vouchers and exclusive items on the Nintendo Store (which didn't exist at launch). This expansion pack was anounced a couple of weeks ago, they've already added this New Horisons DLC

I agree that if they don't add anything further it's a pretty poor value. It's also a rational position to buy into this only if the content on it is worth it to you right now. However I would be pretty suprised if nothing further was added. Feel free to quote me a few months ago if this isn't the case but

Lastly, the fact that you "don't own" the games? I mean for the N64 titles that sucks but is kinda understandable because that's the model. But for the DLC? I don't know about you but I don't expect DLC to extend the life of a game forever. So the fear of "losing" of DLC isn't something I'm worried about.... except if the amount of content here grows significantly. And if it did grow significantly it'd mean it's a valuable service worth continuing to subscribe to so

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Xyphon22

@skywake Thank you. That's the same thing I said about cloud gaming. Exactly how long into the future are you planning on still playing the same game? Of course it would be better to actually own it, but it's no skin off my back if it's essentially nothing more than an extended rental because I'll be done with it long before it expires.

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skywake

Another thought, lets say theoretically this had launched in 2017 and theoretically all first party Nintendo DLC fell under this banner. In theory what could end up happening going forward. So Breath of the Wild, Splatoon 2, Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, Sword & Shield, Pokken Tournament, Captain Toad, Luigi's Mansion 3, Hyrule Warriors and Smash. DLC available to purchase at the same price but if you have NSO+ you get that content for free while your subscription was active

Would anyone who is against it now change their mind in that scenario? Because honestly I think that's approximately what this is going to end up being. For me? If that scenario had been around they would've probably got more money out of me via the subscription. Of the above I only got the Smash and BotW DLC. But also I wouldn't have felt THAT ripped off because I would've probably jumped back into Pokemon, Splatoon and Luigi's Mansion

Remains to be seen how much DLC falls under this banner but if it's all or at least the majority of Nintendo first party DLC? I'd continue to subscribe to it. No hesitation

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Grumblevolcano

@skywake It came to mind that the expansion pack may be the way Nintendo works around the infamous "dividing the playerbase" issue that's introduced with multiplayer DLC. Most companies nowadays scrapped multiplayer DLC in favour of free content updates + microtransactions like having maps, modes and weapons being free for everyone in a FPS meanwhile cosmetics are part of a battle pass.

Meanwhile perhaps Nintendo keeps microtransactions away from their full priced titles and instead has it that there's multiplayer DLC packs like in the past but they're also a part of NSO expansion pack to reduce the amount of players that only have access to the base game content. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe especially comes to mind here, it's very rare you get the first DLC announced for a game around 5 years after launch but you can see that the game is still insanely popular with it still being the best selling Switch game.

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Madao

@skywake Thing is, the original service to me also had no value. The only reason I pay for it is because it is ransom for my save files since I can't back them up any other way, but at least it was cheap.

Now this extra service is no longer cheap and it is close to what the competition charges for (more expensive than xbox gold if you have a family plan like I do). Aside from all the stuff that were always missing (messaging, voice chat, etc) you now also get a much worse offering in terms of "freebies". Not only is it DLC, which means you need to have the game to make use of it, you also don't own it. Meanwhile the competition is giving multiple whole games away for free every month, ~~that you get to keep forever~~ (didn't realise this has changed since the 360 days, so I am wrong on that). I like to own my games, I buy everything physical, so yes to me it is important to own the DLC. People that don't understand this, I hope they at least resell their games after they are done playing them, I don't.

Now will Nintendo add more? Maybe, but they never promised more. With the original service they promised "exclusive offers" which is what the vouchers and Nintendo store stuff are (giving them money to get the opportunity to give them more money is laughable though).

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1UP_MARIO

@Madao join my family group and pay only 10 pounds for the year. Let me know. I have 3 spaces.

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skywake

Madao wrote:

Now will Nintendo add more? Maybe, but they never promised more. With the original service they promised "exclusive offers" which is what the vouchers and Nintendo store stuff are (giving them money to get the opportunity to give them more money is laughable though).

Well they've technically already added the Animal Crossing DLC to the service so there's that. We're still in the "before release" period though where nobody has handed over any money yet but still.

And in terms of the base NSO, the game vouchers aren't exactly laughable. The original site where Nintendo outlined what NSO would have mentioned "exclusive deals". I'd call the game vouchers basically the definition of a deal. They're not game changing but generally when used they bring reduce the price of games enough that they're $5-15AU less than retail prices. When you take advantage of that maybe 3-4 times a year on games you would've still brought? It basically pays for the service

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Madao

@1UP_MARIO Cheers, but I have stacked for a few years now though when it was on offer at shopto!

@skywake Sorry I wasn't clear, I was just referring to the my nintendo store exclusives as laughable. The vouchers are a good deal for people that go digital. I would argue that the competition does much better offers though when they do sales, while Nintendo games get very low discounts if any. Still vouchers are good for release day buying.

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hypnotoad

I was undecided about the N64 pad for Switch.... until I got an email from Nintendo telling me it was available for pre-order.
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kkslider5552000

So instead of a 10 or so dollar N64 service, this is instead for people who specifically want to play N64 and Genesis games and also want the New Horizons DLC (a follow up to a 3DS spinoff a lot of people were completely indifferent towards) but are ok with not necessarily owning it in the future. I guess.

This is a specific audience Nintendo is after, is what I'm saying. I'm mostly that audience, but it says something that even I was convinced to go with the family plan in hours after years of not wanting to do anything like it. And now I'll be paying less for NSO and getting more. Good for me, questionable for Nintendo.

This whole thing is just kinda bewildering PR, at the very least.

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Eel

@kkslider5552000 😅talking about that, are you receiving my emails? I’ll be using that to organize the group.

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Eel wrote:

😅talking about that, are you receiving my emails? I’ll be using that to organize the group.

yeah

it would be weird if i didn't

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rallydefault

It's like anything: either you like the stuff and it's worth it for you, or you don't like the stuff and it's just not worth the cost for you.

People are overreacting and it's ridiculous, as usual. 50 bucks a year. 5 bucks a month. Less than that, really. Chill.

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skywake

@hypnotoad, this is probably a better thread for your question

hypnotoad wrote:

What have Nintendo got against WaveRace 64 ?
It's their best arcade racer and arguably THE BEST arcade racer of the '90's and yet it's not been included in the online expansion pack. WHY ???

At this point in time there are 16 games announced for N64 on NSO (18 in Japan). There were 21 games for N64 on the Wii VC over the entire life of the service. I would expect the list of N64 games to expand over the life of the service and WaveRace 64 is a game that appeared both VCs so it's a fairly safe bet

For completeness, this is the list of games that were on the Wii or Wii U VC but aren't on N64 NSO+:

  • Wave Race 64
  • 1080 Snowboarding
  • Ogre Battle 64
  • Bomberman Hero
  • Cruis'n USA (Wii only)
  • Pokemon Puzzle League (Wii only)
  • Super Smash Bros (Wii only)
  • Harvest Moon 64 (Wii U only)
  • Donkey Kong 64 (Wii U only)

And these are the games that are on NSO+ that were never on the VC:

  • Winback
  • Custom Robo (Japan only)
  • Banjo Kazooie

The N64 list on NSO+ will expand like the other services before it did. When it does I think the first party games that appeared on both Wii and Wii U VC would be the most likely to appear. So Wave Race and 1080. Then probably after that the games Rare were involved with given we're getting Banjo. Donkey Kong 64 and Diddy Kong Racing being the easiest two. From there it probably gets a bit trickier

But yeah, Wave Race is probably right up the top of the list of wave 3 N64 titles to come out I think. There are potentially some issues with the advertising banners they may have to work out but they got around it before so I'm sure they can do it again. I expect those advertising banners are part of the reason why it's not day 1

Going through the list of N64 games I'd say these ones are potentially on the horizon. Although I'm sure some people have a better understanding of licencing issues than I do so take this with a grain of salt:

  • Banjo-Tooie
  • Blast Corps
  • Excitebike 64
  • Killer Instinct Gold
  • Mario Party
  • Pilotwings 64
  • Diddy Kong Racing
  • Perfect Dark
  • Conker's Bad Fur Day
  • Jet Force Gemini
  • Snowboard Kids

Beyond that.... I think we're starting to wish for stuff. Potentially Rayman 2 given Nintendo's relationship with Ubisoft. Potentially they could put out the N64 version of Animal Crossing on there as a novelty. Then there are some games that won't happen even with strong Nintendo relationships because of the existence of re-releases. Eg the Star Wars games & Doom. Also I wouldn't hold my breath for Goldeneye.....

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