@Grumblevolcano Yeah, the combination between supply chain issues and inflation have put Nintendo in an awkward position because if Nintendo releases hardware before PS5 and Series X/S sales start leveling off, they will be crushed by Sony and Microsoft this generation. HOWEVER the same thing might happen if they wait too long and Switch sales drop off a cliff. Basically Nintendo missed their opportunity to release new hardware under a favourable market and now have to release it at a very specific point in time "when both PS5 and Series X/S sales slowdown and before Switch sales crap-out".
@Grumblevolcano I simply just don't think it's meant as a launch title for new hardware. People keep boasting about how it is, but the switch has yet to have it's own 3D Zelda made directly for it. I also just can't see them abandoning the current switch any time soon either.
"It is fate. Many have tried, yet none have ever managed to escape it's flow."
@VoidofLight This too. The ONLY reason Wii U didn't have its own exclusive Zelda game was because it was a COLOSSAL commercial failure, the Switch on the other hand is extremely successful.
Even if Nintendo were considering doing something dumb like that, my previous post pretty much explains why they wouldn't at this point.
@westman98 It's not the only option but it's most risk-free option as 3D Zelda has a 100% success rate for launching new hardware (Twilight Princess on Wii and BotW on Switch).
@Grumblevolcano
Let's be completely real: Wii would have still been a huge success without Twilight Princess as a launch title because most people were buying it to play Wii Sports and Wii Play.
The message isn't "new hardware must launch with Zelda games to be successful" - it is "new hardware must launch with compelling software to be successful". For Wii, that compelling software was Wii Sports/Play. For Switch, that compelling software was indeed Breath of the Wild.
@TowaHerschel7
PS5/Xbox Series will hit their peaks in 2023/2024 and start leveling off in 2026/2027 (when the PS6/the next Xbox are likely expected to arrive). There is no chance Nintendo will wait that long before releasing new hardware.
Nintendo literally has no choice but to release their next hardware platform during the peak years of PS5/Xbox Series...which is totally fine. The Switch itself released during the peak years of PS4/Xbox One and was a huge success.
@westman98 I mean, they may be forced to release around 2025 and 2026, given the shortage is still a huge thing and doesn't seem to be ending any time soon. Not to mention the switch itself is still going strong numbers wise.
"It is fate. Many have tried, yet none have ever managed to escape it's flow."
With the current energy and economy crisis here in Europe, I'm more than happy to wait a couple more years for the Switch's successor to release. It's a great device and keeps getting awesome games being made for it. I don't see a need for a new Nintendo console right now.
Also, somehow people think that a more powerful Switch would mean more third-party support. I hate to break it to you, but that's not going to happen. If Nintendo's next console remains a hybrid device, it'll be less powerful than the competition by a vast amount. Maybe it'd be able to play PS4-era games more easily, but not the current gen games without a huge decrease in visual fidelity.
2024 is the absolute earliest I could see a Switch 2 happen, but like @VoidofLight I wouldn't be surprised we'll have to wait until 2025 or 2026. And I'm perfectly fine with that.
Nintendo isn't waiting another 3 or 4 years to release Switch 2. You can't just sit on finished hardware for that long without pissing off component suppliers, assembly manufacturers, development partners, and retail distributors.
@westman98 Twilight Princess acted as the traditional launch game. Yes the big draw was Wii Sports but having something for existing Nintendo fans was still extremely important.
@westman98 Who's to say that they're even able to get the parts from component suppliers? Also, I'm pretty sure assembly manufacturers are just fine assembling normal switches. Doubt the product being more powerful or less powerful will effect them, as they're just assembling and producing the hardware itself. As for development partners, of course a few of them will probably end up moving away, but Nintendo has been without third party support in the past, and they've done perfectly fine. The 3DS had pretty minimal 3rd party support after a while, yet Nintendo still did well banking on their own exclusives.
It would be foolish for Nintendo to make a new console that no one could even get their hands on. A console they don't even have the parts to produce enough for the consumers. The manufacturing issues are still an ongoing thing in the industry, and last time I checked 2025 is when it's projected to clear up. I can't see Nintendo realistically trying to make a new console any earlier than that, given that they'd be sitting in the same position Sony and Microsoft are sitting in at the current.
"It is fate. Many have tried, yet none have ever managed to escape it's flow."
@Grumblevolcano Even then, it doesn't mean BotW 2 will be a launch title for a new console. Not all new Zelda games were timed with console launches. Spirit Tracks, A Link Between Worlds, Majora's Mask. Those games weren't tied to a brand new console's launch.
"It is fate. Many have tried, yet none have ever managed to escape it's flow."
@Grumblevolcano
Sure, but a bunch of games (Mario Kart, 3D Mario, Metroid Prime, etc) would appeal to traditional Nintendo fans as well. Wii could have launched with Metroid Prime 3 Corruption instead of Twilight Princess and it would have still been a massive success, because most people were buying it to play the new blue ocean experiences like Wii Sports/Play/Fit.
@VoidofLight
Huh? Component suppliers are definitely capable of procuring and delivering components - how else do you think Sony, Microsoft (or any other consumer tech companies) are able to sell hardware? PS5 is narrowly tracking behind PS4 while Xbox Series is outpacing Xbox One sales launch-aligned despite the shortages, so components are clearly available and being used. Also, assuming Nintendo is still producing hybrids, they would be utilizing far smaller PCBs with much less and smaller components than Sony/Microsoft, so they would be the least impacted by shortages among the 3 console manufacturers.
And no, assembly manufacturers would not be perfectly fine with 3/4 years delays, and Nintendo will absolutely not be happy with a bunch of 3rd party devs/publishers "moving away" from their platform due to massive delays.
@westman98 Well, all I know is that Playstation 5's are still extremely hard to come by, so given the way the industry is working at the moment, so would the "Switch Pro". I'm going to drop this now. You guys have fun speculating about an expensive games console that'll be near impossible to get because bots will beat you out!
"It is fate. Many have tried, yet none have ever managed to escape it's flow."
@westman98 It's not the only option but it's most risk-free option as 3D Zelda has a 100% success rate for launching new hardware (Twilight Princess on Wii and BotW on Switch).
@VoidofLight
And yet the PS5 has sold well over 20 million units. If it had only sold ~5 million units or so, then you would have a saliant point about shortages being so severe that Sony would have been better off just delaying its release, but that's clearly not the case.
I'm not suggesting the Switch Pro/2 is launching anytime soon, but 2025/2026 is a long, long time from now.
@westman98 You do realize that includes scalped consoles too right? There's a good chance that less than half that number are owned by actual gamers. The main problem is the production is limited due to the chip shortages so there are much fewer consoles than there would otherwise be which allows the scalper bots to end up with the lion's share of the consoles which the scalpers mark-up in price and sell for a HUGE profit...
Also iirc Sony had already produced 20+ million units before the chip shortages became an issue. So most of the units out there were manufactured before the pandemic created this supply chain nightmare...
@TowaHerschel7
Scalped consoles represent at best maybe 4-5% of all hardware units sold.
The idea that Sony produced 20 million PS5 units prior to it's launch is laughable, c'mon now. Manufacturers and/or retailers aren't going to sit on 20 million units of yet-to-be-sold hardware in their warehouses.
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