Topic: Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy – The Definitive Edition - out now

@JaxonH cancel culture has always existed, and @Ryu_Niiyama is right. It wasn't until the in-groups started experiencing cancel culture that it became an issue worth discussing.

I sort of agree with you. Although there absolutely exists jobs where your opinions might make you unsuitable. There's a fine line. In most cases people should be free to speak their mind without the fear of losing their job.

That fine line used to be identity markers beyond our control. If you were gay, trans, black, native, etc your chances of getting a job or an opportunity to express yourself at all was quashed. We've now reached a point where people get cancelled for what they do and say, not who they are. That's progress, even though we still haven't reached the ideal society. Things like this take time. We're heading in the right direction.

I've never seen a site so obsessed with cancel culture, human rights etc but only in the most meaningless ways. Do people really, REALLY care about not being able to see someone in a confederate army flag that much? They were losers!

Looks like the EU version will be requiring a download after all. Retailers have started to update their listing with image similar to the US version. Had my hopes up with Nintendo publishing the game. Imagine when Nintendo themselves are being a cheapskate about using the 32GB cards why do they expect 3rd party companies to pioneer this trend? Now 64GB cards is a whole different story lol 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

@jump "Cancel culture" is a misnomer, it should be called by what it is: harassment culture. But it's not the topic of this thread.

The problem with censoring a mostly inoffensive (especially in the time period the games are set in) thing like a confederate flag in a game that is all about difficult adult topics raises alarms about possible censorship of some of the more controversial parts and story beats in the game. And why would you play GTA if you're easily offended? That's like going to the butcher for a vegan meal. So yes, the t-shirt texture is a big deal, as silly as it may be spun as.

I am a big proponent of "don't like it, don't play it rather than ruin other people's fun just to suit your egotistical needs".

Consider this: I really, really feel uneasy about gore and especially scenes with lower intestines. But I am not going to demand that Netflix censors zombie horror or Saw movies or operation scenes in The Good Doctor just because I am upset, because I am considerate of other people not caring or liking that kind of content.

@SmaggTheSmug
I take it you’re not American, but I wouldn’t be surprised if you were. This isn’t about censoring something so that it does not offend someone.

I’m from the West and am living in the West, and lived in America most my life. There is an entire cultural log jam of meaning that was and always has been extremely offensive. More importantly, and more than ever, part of what is called “the big lie”. That means something different today, but it matters more than ever.

This isn’t about you. Get it? It’s not about offending or not offending anyone. It’s about the stance they’re taking on it.

I am a white American and am not someone who is political. As far as I’m concerned a great man once said “patriotism is a virtue of the vicious”. But this isn’t even about what happened it’s about what is happening.

Again, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out your self centered take on this is coming from an American, but I feel like you are completely ignorant as to why it was removed.

It wasn’t about you.

@BlueMonk Whatever stance you think they're making is completely invalidated by the context of the game. Yes, I know where it came from. I am aware of the things that happened last year in the US. I also think this is an overreaction and lying to yourself about your own past. In fact using that symbol in conjunction with the character (a gun nut that pretends to be a veteran while brewing explosive moonshine) makes the message stronger IMO, it ridicules people who would wear it. If they made a new game with the same or a similar character set a few years later they should give the guy a certain red hat. And make him even more divorced from reality.

@SmaggTheSmug
I am not saying you should understand it any deeper than I understand intricacies of other cultures and their internal struggles (unless you’re an American).

With all do respect: it’s absolutely clear you don’t understand what it means; where it comes from; why it’s been used for the last 150 years, or why it’s being considered so strongly now.

I mean, you’re not even in the ballpark of what it means and how it’s being used today. You don’t know what it’s history actually means.

To be … insulted?… they removed it, is just a none issue for you. I would hazard a guess and say most of what you think you understand about it, comes from American film.

Fundamentally, it’s a flag of genocide.

@BlueMonk It's ironic that clearly you don't understand it. It's not a flag of genocide. The confederates didn't intend to murder they slaves, they wanted to keep them. After the war it was used by people who wanted to show their allegiance to southern lifestyle and rebellion against the federal government. It was everywhere, from Dukes of Hazzard to Muppets Show. It wasn't until last year or so that someone decided to declare it a purely racist symbol. The reason for the southern states to rebel was racist at its core, but the symbolism behind the flag is far broader.

And again, the game wasn't praising the flag. The guy wearing it was an insane, alcoholic gun nut who claimed to be a veteran despite never being in the army (as I understand stolen valor is a big deal for Americans). You couldn't find a better character to wear the flag, point at someone wearing it today and say "this is you". Context matters!

@BlueMonk Please don't tell me that it is also ok to censor swastikas in Wolfenstein games (for example) because some people think it is a sign for genocide?

All of those modern "taking a stand for something" are laughable and unnecessary.

Game coming in 10 days.. and psysical in December.

It seems GTA Trilogy will be 1080p on Switch (presumably 720p handheld).

Switch Screenshots

@JaxonH Yeah, that looks like GTA to me. I think the nicest way to describe it is 'more faithful to the originals' than the next gen versions hehe.

@GrailUK
I mean, it looks identical to the next gen versions of the trilogy (which is really just a PS4/X1 version played via BC). The only difference being 1080p vs 2160p, and perhaps a 30fps framerate cap.

I think it looks fantastic. If you go to Youtube and watch raw footage of the originals (not graphically enhanced GTAV mods) it’s a night and day difference. In fact, the original footage looks so bad it’s honestly hard to watch.

Obviously the games’ PS2 roots show, but these are very good looking for having released on such dated hardware. And with GTAV aiming and driving mechanics incorporated (with gyro aiming on Switch) as well as better asset textures (just look at the trees, or the cars, for example) and HD resolution, these games look very playable for not being full remakes. And they’ll look even better on a smaller handheld screen.

The Switch is getting hit a bit for sure. I'm a bit less sold on it than I was when it was originally announced. The fact that we're forced to buy into the bundle and the price point they're going for make it a bit rough. $80AU on the eShop, no vouchers available for it as you'd expect and also there doesn't appear to be any aggressive day1 discounts for the cartridge (cheapest is $70AU)

If I could pick up Vice City on its own for ~$25AU? I'd be into that. I'd even be ok with the slightly lower quality of lighting you can see in the Switch screenies given it's going to be portable. Still way better than the original which I do already have on Steam (although looks like it was taken down?). As it is.... I'll wait to see what pricing on Steam is like or if the game gets split apart

@JaxonH On that first image the remastered version looks like the Toy Story version of Ken

Am I the only one?

@skywake
I don't think the lighting is notably different. I think we're just seeing the difference between screenshots taken in a well lit area where shadows aren't as noticeable (see the row of street lamps? Those continue which means they're in front of the character also, shining on his face) vs carefully choreographed screenshots in the marketing reveal trailer.

Looking at the city, it's virtually identical, shadows and all. And in several shots the light is clearly reflecting off the road.

So ya, I just think it's difference between where the screenshots are taken. I'm sure there'll be small differences but, at a glance I'm not seeing anything jump out.

That doesn't address your other concerns, but that's a separate issue. I have no issue buying a collection. $60 for 3 Remastered games beats $20 a pop for PS2 originals, the price on the PS4 store.

@Zuljaras
Ken with an Attitude. Love it

@Slowdive I'll go for San Andreas I think. I've only ever had a couple of goes on it.

@Slowdive Not sure if I’ll buy it on Xbox Series X or Switch so can play on my travels. But I have fondest memories playing Vice City most. Though unfortunately I feel like a lost of the music that won’t be in the new trilogy.

I really want to know the details about the Switch physical version. I have never played GTA 3 and San Andreas for more than 20 minutes each so if they both are on the cartridge it will make me buy it.

From the rumors it seems that Vice City will be the one left out from cartridge

I plan to start with GTA VC, and save San Andreas for later.

Except, someone convinced me in the Switch thread to maybe give GTA3 a try. I was originally going to skip it but, I may do that.