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JaxonH

@Joeynator3000
Sounds like you just need a different extractor.

The one I linked to the guy above is easy and reportedly works for Switch. HDMI from Switch to extractor. HDMI from extractor to TV. And the extractor has audio out to your soundbar. If your soundbar has HDMI in, use that with an extractor that has HDMI out. If it has Optical, get one with optical out.

I’m fairly certain if you ordered 2 different extractors for $25 each, tried them, at least one would work. Send the other back to Amazon.

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Joeynator3000

...To me it sounds like I rather just use the splitter that I already have...and like I said...when I do get surround sound working, the audio like "disables" or something whenever it detects silence in the audio for a second (which happens a lot in gaming), and then it takes like a second for the audio to turn back on...it's highly annoying.

Also, optical won't do anything with surround sound on Switch.

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JaxonH

@Joeynator3000
Right, but that’s with whatever you have. Different extractors have proven to work fine. If you really want the problem solved, I’m just trying to present you with solutions that have worked for others.

As for optical, actually I think your right. Because while it can carry a 5.1 signal, I believe it must be encoded with Dolby, which Switch doesn’t do. PCM raw signal is too large. Fair point on that. Perhaps some extractors encode it with Dolby before outputting? Worth looking into. Otherwise, just skip Optical and go straight for HDMI out from the extractor. Yes, I know your current thingymabob doesn’t work right, but it is possible with other devices.

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JaxonH

@NintendoDad
Joey just helped me realize that Optical can only carry a 5.1 signal when it’s compressed in Dolby format. I don’t think Optical can carry a raw PCM 5.1 signal. And since that’s all Switch can output, HDMI is the only way to carry the surround and maintain the signal

So I’m not sure there’s a way to get surround from Switch if your soundbar doesn’t have an HDMI input.

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NintendoDad

@JaxonH

+1

Yes. I was recently reading about the bandwidth issue with optical.

If the Switch outputs an uncompressed stream, then the 5.1 won't get through the optical.

What I don't know (and going to try to test) is if the uncompressed stream can get through the coaxial digital cable. (My surround sound system has both digital coaxial and optical inputs. The coaxial digital-in is currently connected to my DVD player, but I can swap it around so I use the optical cable for DVD and assign the coaxial cable to the "CD" input on the amplifier and use that for Netflix, Disney+ and the Switch.) (I just had the coaxial cable hooked up to my DVD player because I had misplaced my optical cable. I thought I had lost it long ago. And I had an RCA cable lying around.)

But lots of unknowns.

1. Confirm the Switch is outputting an uncompressed 5.1 stream. (NOTE: I actually read a post on another site that the poster swears that when they put their Switch into Stereo mode, a Dolby Digital stream started coming out. I find that hard to believe. But maybe I could test for that with the extractor I am getting. ? )

2. Is my TV the culprit by stripping 5.1 down to 2 channel when going through the optical cable? I have my daughter's PC hooked up to the HDMI TV via HDMI. I have the optical-out from the TV hooked up to the optical-in of the surround system. When I play "The Matrix" with the Netflix Windows App, it only shows my 2.0 audio options. Not sure if Netflix is outputting uncompressed. Or a form of 5.1 that my sound system doesn't understand, and thus it selects Linear PCM and thus gets 2.0 channels. When reading, I thought it would have been Dolby Digital Plus?

3. Does coaxial have more bandwidth than optical? If so, maybe it can handle an uncompressed 5.1 surround sound stream? I don't know.

So a few things I want to test out.

Is my TV the bottle neck? Is the optical cable the bottle neck? Or is my 21+ year-old surround sound amplifier just too old to understand the 5.1 surround streams coming out of the Switch, Netflix and Disney+?

For $30 (CDN, so not even real money), I have the potential to test this out.

I didn't want to spend a lot. But I got one with both optical and coaxial digital out in hopes that that would let me test this out. LOL.

And as I pointed out above, even if none of this works, I still have a use for an HDMI audio extractor to stereo out (3.5mm analogue) on my work computer. LOL.

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Joeynator3000

Also, it's not just PCM, it's LPCM, from what I've figured out that's even worse to deal with. I also found out that newer TVs that have eARC can handle that...don't think my TV has it, go figure. TwT

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JaxonH

@Joeynator3000
Linear PCM, ya. I guess LPCM tends to refer to multichannel whereas PCM refers to 2 channel.

eARC is where it's at. I made sure I bought a TV that had an eARC HDMI port, as well as having all HDMI 2.1.

That said, Switch audio doesn't work using eARC passthrough from TV to soundbar. You have to run it into the soundbar and use eARC HDMI port on the soundbar to pass through the video to the TV. All other systems will worth running into the TV with eARC passing audio to the soundbar OR running into the soundbar with eARC passing video to the TV.

So for Switch, you want eARC on your actual soundbar. At least one HDMI in port on the soundbar and an eARC HDMI port to pass the video onto the TV. However, before eARC released there was just normal ARC, and normal ARC, though it doesn't have the bandwidth to pass through Dolby Vision to the TV (if running through soundbar) or Dolby Atmos to the soundbar (if running through TV) but Switch uses neither. And normal ARC is perfectly capable of handling whatever signal Switch throws at it.

So all you really need is a soundbar with an ARC HDMI port

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Joeynator3000

....Not sure what you mean about the normal ARC...because surround sound on Switch doesn't work with normal ARC. I've tried, constantly...even messing with the TV's settings and nothing worked. Really the only thing that works is plugging it in directly to the sound bar, and even then it gives me weird issues.

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JaxonH

@Joeynator3000
Again, Switch doesn't worth with TV ARC. You have to use ARC on the soundbar to pass video through to the TV.

ARC on TV X
eARC on TV X

ARC on soundbar ✔
eARC on soundbar ✔

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Joeynator3000

Well that doesn't work in general...I have to use the HDMI splitter setup and use like 3 HDMI cables.

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JaxonH

@Joeynator3000
Takes what it takes. Use however many HDMI cables is necessary.

If you have ARC on soundbar you don't need an extractor. Just run HDMI from Switch into soundbar. Run HDMI from ARC on soundbar into TV.

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Joeynator3000

Like I said, ARC simply doesn't work on the Switch for me...in general. Both my TV and sound bar has it, but it refuses to work with the Switch.

EDIT: ....What in the actual F...it's actually working now? Seriously? I tried everything before to do this with the sound bar's HDMI In and my TV simply wouldn't give me a signal from it.

Well anyways, now if only I knew how I can keep the audio from cutting out constantly. >.>

You know what? No...I'm not going to bother with this again and ruin my whole day...it's impossible to find any info on this issue and I'm apparently the only being in existence that has the problem. Surround sound on Switch is a waste of time...I hate PCM...why does Nintendo have to be so greedy? Put Dolby support on the stupid thing...

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JaxonH

@Joeynator3000
PCM is actually preferable as it’s uncompressed- you’re getting the full signal. There’s just some quirk where it doesn’t pass through ARC on a TV.

Read this

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/potential-fix-to-all-sounbar...

And this

https://speakersmag.com/vizio-sound-bar-keeps-cutting-out/

Could be interference. Try powering off your router and devices with a signal. See if it still happens.

Then update your tv and soundbar firmware.

Then clean your soundbar with compressed air, and feel how hot it is when it’s cutting out. Could be overheating and shutting down the amplifier as a built in protection.

Would also try new HDMI cables. I had video cut in and out and once I replaced my cables it stopped happening. Cheap ones from Amazon. $25 should get 3 new cables. Good to have as backup either way.

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Joeynator3000

Yeah it's none of that, I've tried everything constantly in the past and nothing works, it's HDMI IN and nothing else. But yeah, can't tell you how many times I've done factory resets on the sound bar, updating via the phone app, different cables, it's just the bar itself and for whetever reason only happens with HDMI IN.

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JaxonH

@Joeynator3000
Sounds like a bad HDMI in port. I’d call and see if warranty can cover it.

I had an HDMI port go bad on my old Hisense TV. In fact, iirc the audio would crackle once in a while, then it went out entirely.

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Joeynator3000

I think it's Vizio in general, my older bar worked a lot better but still had the weird issue. I tried talking with them and they were no help at all.

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JaxonH

Played some Ghosts of Tsushima today and the visual experience was incredible on the OLED with HDR.

I then compared audio of the Ambeo and sub with standard 5.1 surround to the 800S headphones with 3D audio. Both sound amazing, of course. The Ambeo and sub performs really strongly, even without object based surround. The “Ambeo” mode essentially virtualizes it. There’s just no substitute for the soundstage of actual speakers. And the bass… wow. No headphone can challenge a real subwoofer.

That said, the 800S provides more intimate immersion wirth directional audio the Ambeo just can’t replicate. The imaging is precise and clear. Different sounds are separated, as if they’re coming from distinct sources.

Overall, it’s hard to say which I prefer more. They’re both excellent. I do think the sound from the Ambeo is much more dynamic, richer and of course, immense soundstage. But that immersive directionality of headphones, particularly the 800S, lends itself perfectly to gaming.

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