Topic: Achievements?

Sakurai does achievements right, they actually unlock stuff in-game. Stuff like what you see in Steam are just...there...and kinda pointless.

Who cares if they are present if you can hide them? I don't care about achievements on the PS4 or XB1, so I literally never look at them. They affect me in no way whatsoever.

If other people enjoy unlocking them, what is the actual point in being against their existence?

I'll answer that for you, there is none. There is logically no reason to be completely against achievements. They can be ignored entirely, they do not affect game development time, and some people enjoy them.

It's completely selfish to advocate against an additional optional feature that many people enjoy because someone doesn't want to know they exist. Same goes for the Nintendo fans who speak out against voice chat in online games (oh lord was that an exciting time on NL..).

It's not hurting or affecting your experience in any way, so who cares if other people enjoy them?

Edit: This is mostly rhetorical as I have been down this road a million times on this site over the past decade. I understand there's nothing I could possibly say to make people on this site not believe the devil himself sent achievements to cause the destruction of gaming.

@shaneoh
That's not what I was talking about at all. I meant in terms of what Nintendo's "achievements" would be (Sony has trophies, Microsoft has, well, achievements or Gamerscore) in terms of label and general vibe.

I would hope there are some sort of Achievement system. Hate the way Xbox just gives you a number. I rather see something like PlayStation's trophy system. But instead of trophies you earn coins. Bronze, Silver and gold.

@rallydefault
Whoops, completely misread it, my bad

I'm sure the people spamming music down the mic are saying the same thing.

@shaneoh I understand where you're coming from and I completely agree with you mate - but I guess it really depends on what kind of gamer you are. If you have an obsessive side (in a nice way) then it must be frustrating to have an "higher authority" that tells you that you apparently have only completed, say, 29% of the game - even though you got to the end credits.
Luckly I don't love videogames nearly enough to have a problem with achievements. Sometimes I like the game and I feel like doing these little chores just for the sake of it. Other times I can't be arsed and I can live with that just fine.

What about in-game collectibles though?! Like the Smash trophies or those toy capsules you could buy in Shenmue?! Do you hate them too?!

You can turn off voice chat in just about every game ever made.

I get it, you're a Ninty hipster. It's cool to applaud Nintendo for avoiding optional features because then they'd be like the other companies.

The user names change over the years, the illogical arguments don't.

I'm trying to be like that, but it's difficult at times

The smash trophies I definitely dislike and find them a chore if I lapse and start trying to do them. Haven't played Shenmue, but looking on the game's wikia it sounds tiresome, sort of like the toys in Minish cap.

Still have to make the effort to turn it, some games don't allow it, or you have to do it each round, and some you have to go through a list and find the offending party. Please tell me how that isn't affecting the experience?

I disagree so I have to be a hipster...
Considering I'm typing this message from my gaming PC, I'd say this isn't the case. I don't want Nintendo to be like the other companies, I don't want any of the companies to be like each other, because as it is, games and hardware are stagnating.

If you have a problem with the way games handle the mute function, be mad at the mute function.

Instead, you're asking everyone with an online game (ie. Splatoon) to have no way of communicating with their team or friends because you're inconvenienced by turning off an optional feature.

You're not a hipster for disagreeing, you're a hipster for intentionally advocating against features other people would enjoy because they would make your precious console more similar to another. It's completely illogical and selfish.

Or I could have a problem with people abusing the system. It's the way the world works, someone abuses a privilege, it makes it harder for the rest of us to enjoy it.

By the time the generals are done coordinating their attack, the 3 minutes will be up

Wow, this has really got your knickers in a twist hasn't it? My "precious console?" Lol. Well Ninty are really making it optional, you're going to need a smart phone if you want to utilise the chat system. It does sound like a better idea to me if it's only limited to your friends. It would be like using mumble.

Lol claiming the other person is mad, right out of the pre-adolescent guide to internet arguments.

People abusing voice chat makes no difference when you can turn it off. For like the hundredth time now. If it is an optional feature you can turn off and not be bothered with, it does not affect you. You can take issue with how some games handle muting other players, but being inherently opposed to having an option to speak with others makes no sense whatsoever.

Especially if it's a feature that can be turned off once, and it never automatically turns back on. It makes sense (to a reasonable person) that giving thousands of people an additional option to speak online is preferable to eliminating the opportunity entirely for the sake of saving some people a couple seconds of turning off an optional feature.

Of course you're not that person, and would prefer people not have the option entirely for the sake of your convenience.

In response to your 'all hardware is the same comment': it makes sense to replicate things that have been successful and people have enjoyed on other platforms. What doesn't make sense is intentionally avoiding enjoyable additions for the sake of being unique.

Nintendo could literally take away existing features (that are shared with other platforms) and you and nearly the rest of the site would applaud them for being unique. Why that is I'll never understand.

Tbh i never paid any attention to any achievement on both ps4 and xbox, i like to finish games that i do enjoy and i never bothered do a single mission many times in order to get an achievement. Unlike many of my friends who keeps bragging about platinum trophies, i dont think i even have one and i dont care. Hopefully nintendo keep it simple and focus on other issues like online multiplayer and chats rather than trophies or achievements

Right up there with name calling. I'm still laughing about being called a "Ninty Hipster."

I'm happy if they want to use a 3rd party app, like Mumble, but it's inclusion isn't a necessity. I can think of few games that truly need it. It's unnecessary bandwidth whether you hear it or not.

And you're arguing the opposite for the exact same reason.

Do everything the same because there'll never be a better way. Gotcha.

The failure to include an ethernet port was a ridiculous decision.

It's not about 'doing everything the same'. In literally every industry, companies take ideas from others and try to utilize or expand upon them for their own audience.

Nobody is asking Nintendo to exactly replicate trophies from the PS4. Does it make sense for Nintendo to use the concept of trophies to provide a new feature that their fans may enjoy? Absolutely. Someone previously mentioned little cosmetic rewards for completing games. That's not 'doing the same thing' and its a feature a lot of people would enjoy while hurting no one.

Same goes for online voice chat. Does Nintendo need to exactly replicate Xbox Live? No, nobody is asking for that. Should they provide an optional service for friends or team members to communicate in some form? Absolutely. It can be limited to people added to a group, or turned off from the start. How it's implemented is another discussion. But providing the option (especially now that people are paying to play online) makes sense.

With your line of thinking, the first platform out to market with an online service should have been the only one. Since any console afterwards would have been 'doing the same thing' in some form.

It's possible for the Switch to be unique while borrowing or improving upon concepts taken from other consoles. This is the fundamental belief that this community has always struggled with.

Looking at consoles as they are at the moment, what is it that they are doing differently? Everyone is strapping a screen to their face doing "VR," the controllers are essentially the same but with a different layout, and hardware is just increasing in power, not potential. Hardware stagnates because everybody is utilising what everyone else has done, which means game potential is stagnating. The first Nintendo console I owned was a Wii, it attracted me because the controller was so different, an amazing new way to play, the Wii U was underutilised but had that potential as well. Kinect I'll give credit to, they tried a hands free approach, but they weren't committed to backing it 100%. They've taken everything they can from each other, there is no expanding, just stagnation.

It also wouldn't hurt to have those cosmetic features available to those who don't want to participate. It wouldn't hurt anyone either.

How it's implemented is my issue. It's all tied to the game. If Nintendo are taking a mumble approach and have the chat independent of the games, that's fine, I'm happy with that.

You've officially lost me. I only know of one console with VR.

Seeing as how your 'the sky is falling, everything was better back in my day' tirade is moving us further and further away from the original point of the thread, I'll drop it here.

If you'd like less features for the sake of uniqueness, have at it. You're off to a good start without the ethernet you mentioned.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Much like Alex, I struggle to really grasp why everyone is so vehemently against having achievements (in some form or another) on a Nintendo console. First of all, they are optional. You have the option of whether or not to take part in a small service provided. Even the achievement showcase you posted on the previous page to proved a point, is optional to showcase on your profile. Playstation, Xbox and Steam all have means of hiding any notifications that pertain to the completion of achievements.

Just because a service provider wants to include a feature to cater to a selection of its audience, doesn't mean you have to be a part of that.

@Aviator
You're wasting your time typing, man. I don't get it either, but it seems most people around here have a pretty skewed idea of what "optional" truly means.

Thanks for your concern, but I've been around the block.

Microsoft and Sony require achievements in every game