Topic: Current Switch 2 line-up not good enough?

@OmnitronVariant
I think you just need to count the games. Pretty simple.

I would wager most people who aren't like us hanging out in forums day in and day out probably do, so if we want to mirror what most people are thinking... the Switch 2 has a boat load of games.

A broad sweeping generalisation which you present as fact but then go on and base on slice of life anecdotal evidence. Are you even for real?

Not sure where you are getting those numbers. The actual Nintendo website has a list of 155 games which don't work on Switch 2. Some of those games won't even load, some have other major issues. There is also another smaller list of games they have already figured out how to fix the issues in but have not put out the patch for yet. These games are all marked in the eShop and won't let you even buy them on the Switch 2 eShop. Unfortunately, these lists aren't complete because Nintendo only did pretty basic testing on older (especially smaller) games; I've had to call Nintendo support about games not working on Switch 2 multiple times and obnoxiously the support people don't seem connected to the people who make the compatibility list so they just shrug and offer to refund broken games rather than adding them to the list. For example Klonoa, a fairly major game, works in some regions and in physical form, but not digital in some regions and Nintendo doesn't acknowledge there is a problem even after several people reported it (by not work I nean the game won't even open on Switch 2).

I agree with your point that most Switch 1 games work on Switch 2 (almost definitely over 95%) and that a decent chunk of the ones which work, work better than on Switch 2, but it's not quite as rosy as you are claiming.

Considering the amount of games on the eShop, there are definitely well over 10,000 games which run well on Switch 2 and over 50 games come to the eShop every week. So... there are definitely games 😆

Edit I think the list of '6 games which can't be used on Switch 2' indicates software which can't even be patched in theory — either it uses the IR too much which Switch 2 doesn't have or (like Crunchyroll) it would need a complete Switch 2 version and maybe a new a legal agreement. The other couple hundred games (plus games which didn't make the list) could definitely work fine if they get patched, although whether they will get patched is an open question.

@OmnitronVariant
Even if they don't spend a ton on games, what I'm saying is that there's still a ton to pick from.

These are people who don't care about game key cards, eShop-only, Switch 2 enhancements, etc. They bought a Switch 2 (or whatever console, really), they look at the games that can run on it, and they buy what they can buy.

So, yea, there's a ton of stuff out there for Switch 2.

And if you wanna talk the anecdotal stuff about people who are pretty much always a generation behind... I don't know how those people are relevant to a discussion like this? We're talking about people who are likely to buy a new console within its first year or so, which it sounds like those friends/family you're talking about are highly unlikely to do regardless of console.

I wasn't replying to you, I was replying to the comment from @Bolt_Strike and you inserted yourself into it. @Bolt_Strike was arguing that the only games which count for Switch 2 are Switch 2 exclusives. I brought up the Steam Deck and the fact that it not having "exclusives" did not impact how great a piece of hardware it was to highlight the absurdity of that position

That what I was saying doesn't align with your tangential interjection is not my problem

Interesting. A couple of things. Firstly what you're saying here kinda goes against any argument I would have for why PC broadly is a compelling platform. It lacks exclusives, it's generally more expensive. Also because on PC hardware adoption has to come first platform novelty isn't really a thing on PC. You can assume Keyboard, Mouse and maybe a generic modern controller but that's about it. No, PC gaming is compelling because it's open, that's about it. All of the things you listed here are PC gaming's weaknesses

In any case, most people, as in average real world people. Not talking forum dwellers and the hyper online gamer types. Most people will buy at most 10 games per generation. Many will buy maybe 5 or so. If we're doing anecdotes, I expect most Switch 2 gamers will be somewhat like my sister. She's picked one up already for Mario Kart and Fantasy Life. I expect she'll pick up Layton and Rhythm Heaven next year. Mostly though she's just waiting for the next Animal Crossing. On the topic of this thread? For me personally, I think there's enough on Switch 2. There's certainly enough for someone more like my sister

Also, most people, most average people. Most people are pretty tech illiterate, even amongst gamers. I personally think that Switch 2 is a reasonable leap in performance over Switch 2 but, honestly, most people won't notice or care. They'll see it loads faster and generally can look better. But they likely won't set HDR properly and almost surely won't notice many of the technical gripes people such as yourself seem to be hung up on. I'm generally picky about this kind of stuff, even I'm nowhere near as picky as you seem to be. I'm sure that Average Joe won't even care even if you pointed it out. They'll just know the Switch is the one that's also a portable and this is the second one because it says 2 on the box

And eventually the same will be for Switch 2. You're just describing the same cycle of hardware that has been happening since the 80s. New platform comes out, old platform gets cheap. Earlier adopters living on the bleeding edge pay a premium for the newest thing. Laggards are able to clean up on discounted hardware and used software

@FishyS Yes, that was the "relatively short list" I was referring to with differing issues that are currently in the process of being worked out. And 155 (even with some currently unacknowledged ones) out of 10.000 to 15.000 overall is a very small percentage indeed. Those other 5 are the only ones that are 100 % out. I also had games like Portal 2, Tricky Towers or Alien: Isolation that didn‘t work at first, but now run perfectly. All others in my 250+ S1 games collection no issues at all, but maybe I‘m just lucky.

@jfp That's fine; I was just clarifying because saying only 5 (by which I assume you mean the 6 listed on Nintendo.com) don't work is pretty misleading; plenty of other games won't even open on Switch 2. Might they get fixed in months or years? Maybe, although my personal interactions with Nintendo support has made me a bit pessimistic.

And yes, it seems like you were fairly lucky with your collection. My collection is somewhat larger but I ended up with games both on the compatibility problem list and games not on the list which don't work as of right now. Humourously, a surprisingly large number of games on my wishlist are also on the bad list; they still show up on my wishlist in a special category saying I can't buy them.

Anyways, I agree the percentage of problems is small — it was only the number 5 I was objecting to.

@FishyS Sorry, that was not my intention. I didn‘t want to counter the generalisation of a certain someone with another generalisation. Still most S1 games run even better on the new console and it‘s a big part of my enjoyment of it.

Hope there will still come fixes for a lot of the games in your collection and on your list!

Going on the evidence of how I have previously called you out, you can savely assume that I do not see much good-faith coming from you. In whatever language you want to couch it.

I honestly have little to no strong opinions on what anyone thinks of the Switch 2 lineup either way. Especially as a Wii U owner, so I had plenty of reasons to be less invested than some on those early releases n Switch (2018 had little of interest to me outside of Smash Bros tbh). But I also didn't buy a Switch near launch at all, because I didn't see the need and I had other games to play.

I really can't imagine caring much, even when I would strongly disagree. Like Nintendo is the one putting out 70 dollar games and that puts a different context to this. Why spend 70 dollars for something that's a risk I might not enjoy it? Why wouldn't there be concern Metroid Prime 4 could be compromised to be more successful, considering Zelda did the same (not just because of that, but I'd bet real money that was relevant to discussions, that open world games are popular and a good selling point)? Why wouldn't there be concern if one game costs that much in general that you might've wasted 70 dollars? Or that Gamefreak might screw over fans from getting a high quality experience because delays are scary to them, when that has obviously happened already. Or that you might feel pressured to support games from series that might be gone forever if you don't. It's also silly in general to expect everyone to be into every game people like. As someone who was meh about most 7th gen shooters, and argued with the entirety of the internet that niche Wii games in 2009 were actually better, I get that one. (even if I usually do like games that other people like)

Though on the other hand, I feel like a huge portion of the Switch 2 owners don't have to care that they might've wasted their money (which even that a extreme opinion arguably since Switch 2 will be around for a good long while). So I also don't care that they wasted their money all that much. I'd genuinely feel a lot more sympathy for people where Switch 2 and the bundle and two other full priced games was a majority of their entertainment funds for the year, and it hasn't worked out. Like...ok...you have plenty of other things to enjoy, see you in a year I guess? Why would I have any strong feelings about that? At most it'd earn either an eyeroll or an unironic "good for you" because Nintendo is being greedy so I'm mildly rooting against them right now. (emphasis on mildly, because they could be (insert any western AAA game company here) instead)

It kind of feels like Air Riders in 2025 is a side effect of Prime 4 being delayed. Considering how the Prime 1-3 book is used for marketing Prime 4, we can deduce that Prime 4 was going to be close to the original June release of the Prime 1-3 book. The kind of original 2025 plan that comes to mind is:

• January - DKC Returns HD
• February - Prime 2+3
• March - XCX Definitive Edition
• April - The rumoured Kirby Planet Robobot remake (Kirby is usually early on in the year)
• May - Galaxy 1+2 (Galaxy 2's 15th anniversary is in May)
• June/July - Prime 4
• September - Switch 2, MK World, Welcome Tour
• October - Drag x Drive, Legends Z-A
• November - DK Bananza
• December - Age of Imprisonment

Then you'd have Air Riders, Star Crossed World and Jamboree TV as 2026 releases.

Well I used to have a bad addiction to buying games, but if I'm 100% honest I have only bought one Switch 2 game since launch and that's Fast Fusion (because it was cheap and I was curious about that switch 2's capabilities). For whatever reason I have not seen one single game I thought was worth picking up for the price they were asking at this point. So I'd have to give it an F so far. If you look at the big two 1. I have never liked Mario Kart and it's rubber banding better to be in 2nd or 3rd place until the finish line gameplay 2. While I love DK, the new DK game looks like it's AI procedurally generated levels with particles flying everywhere to please short attention spans. I have hopes that future games will be better, but up till now it's been pretty bad.

huh? I have a fairly good memory, you're just gaslighting everyone here. Everything you say is just a contradiction of whatever you've said previously. And I feel like I'm going crazy reading what you say because I remember the ludicrous stuff you've said previously. Except that.... this is a forum, and the history is recorded, so we can see the receipts

Your earliest posts on here last month you were trying to argue that Nintendo's games were too expensive. Your story was that you had picked up the Mario Kart bundle, played 15 hours of Mario Kart and had listed your Switch 2 for sale. Literally

No follow through there apparently. But also the angle you were going for at the time, given it was early August, was how bad DK Bonanza was and how it wasn't worth the price. Specifically how you weren't buying it at that price because:

But apparently now not only did you not sell your Switch 2, despite all the noise, but you went and bought DK. Even more absurd given that, apparently, your budget for gaming based on the maths above is ~$1100AU a year. But you spent ~$700AU on new hardware this year and you got a Deck a couple of years ago so at least another ~$600AU back then, likely closer to ~$800AU because the 64GB model was a bit silly. And then have the audacity to come into this thread which is a thread complaining about the lack of games

Nintendo releasing more exclusive games for the Switch 2 will not resolve your issue. Your issue is that you're blowing all your gaming budget on hardware. Apparently hardware that you don't research at all before getting and are buying at launch. Honestly, I don't see how Nintendo having more compelling Switch 2 system sellers would help you. Especially given that apparently your MO is to buy them not to play, but so you can complain about how bad they are. This is a budgeting and impulse control issue on your part, it's not a Switch 2 problem

FWIW I also have a "gaming" budget I try to stick to. It's technically more of a "non-essentials" budget. I allocate myself ~$2700AU/year in this budget. Last year I got to the end of the year and had enough left over to pick up a Steam Deck OLED. This year I'm well over it .... but mostly because fibre internet rolled through and I spent money on new access points, network switches, new router and also hiring an electrician to run new network and power points. And also Switch 2 hardware. And also technically the residual impact of the Deck late last year on the rolling average. I haven't been great this year

But the thing about this kind of budgeting is, it doesn't really leave space to be able to make the kinds of complaints some people in this thread are making. I look at the outline above that @Grumblevolcano is dropping, I could comfortably blow a hole in my budget here getting everything I want on that list. Especially in a console launch year. The thread topic is basically circling around whether or not there's enough content on Switch 2 at this point. Man, there's too much content on Switch 2. I don't have the time or money to keep up with the content that's releasing for it. And even if I did there's stuff like Pikmin 4 which I skipped over because when it released I didn't have the time or money to keep up with the content they were releasing

Switch 2 lacking games is not the bottleneck, the bottleneck is my lack of time and money to budget for the games releasing on Switch 2. Games which I would include multi-platform and cross-gen titles because, all things being equal, I couldn't care less what category a game is in. I just want to play the game

@skywake There's a personal aspect to this for sure, but some people here are wondering why there's MULTIPLE people negative/positive to the lineup, so that's where we need a macroeconomic analysis here.

As for the cross gen games and why they do/don't "count" if you have the past console, the issue is that there's a low opportunity cost in skipping the console if you want those games. Because you already have a device that can play it.

Also TotK is a poor comparison to MK8D because MK8D has actual content additions whereas TotK is just graphics and an unnecessary tracking app on mobile. There are better S2Es to make that comparison like Mario Party, Kirby, and presumably Wonder when it releases.

@Bolt_Strike
My thoughts, there are multiple people negative about it because the environment is different. The online tone in 2017 was far less combative and conspiratorial just generally

Also back then if you had a negative view towards Nintendo's output it was easy to dismiss or disregard the Switch. It wasn't a threat to your "team", it wasn't particularly provocative to say you thought it was bad or doomed. It was a follow up to the Wii U. It didn't matter. This time around? Switch is the default dominant gaming platform. Saying Nintendo is doomed is the contrarian take. It's clickbait central, drama, provocative. Certain people gravitate towards that

Lastly it's 2025. There was a huge global inflation spike between 2022 and 2024, an inflation spike that is a foreign concept to pretty much anyone who isn't over 60 or so. An inflation spike that gaming was sheltered from because standard game pricing doesn't move day to day. An inflation spike that's also coinciding with a new console generation and, in the US, raised import taxes. It's pretty obvious why people are worked up

Doesn't mean it's reasonable. Doesn't mean that the average game buyer is particularly fussed. Certainly doesn't mean that there's, as alleged, not enough content to justify the existence of Switch 2

Lastly in terms of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe not being analogous to the Switch 2 Editions of TotK/BotW. This is the kind of needless game categorising nonsense I was getting at. They're both the same game with enhancements. It's the same stuff. The equivalent of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, New SMB U Deluxe, 3D World + Bowser's Fury or BotW being on both Wii U and Switch is a Switch 2 Edition. This is a positive difference between these two generational transitions

@OmnitronVariant
Righto. So it's so bad, such a waste of money and DK was so bad and derivative that.... you withdrew the sale of your used console because you couldn't make your money back and then doubled down buying DK anyways. Despite you now being down 80% of what you are willing to spend on gaming this year on just these two purchases. As I said, it seems to me your issue here is a lack of financial responsibility not the price Nintendo charges

Ehh, this doesn't really follow. Sure maybe for a bit the Nintendoomed crowd thought the Switch was irrelevant, but the Switch's sales quickly became too much to ignore. If that were true we'd have seen the Switch be criticized after the first few years, not wait until the Switch 2 8 years later.

There is a sense of tribalism here, but what's going on here reminds me of a tendency in other types of tribal realms like sports and politics. In those areas, when one team/party is winning, everything is going fine and they're happy. They think their side is great and not doing anything wrong. But then when they lose, they start to put everything under a microscope and find cracks. They point fingers at various sources and heads roll. And doom and gloom pervades until they win again. So there's a saying in American football about this (and possibly other sports too), they say winning cures all ills. This is what I think is going on with Nintendo, they look at the games and don't like what they see, so that is like Nintendo "losing" to them. And that brings out the negativity and finger pointing.

That's certainly a factor, but is that really that the economic situation is making people hostile to ALL games or is it just making them pickier?

Is it "needless categorization" though? New content additions are an easier sell than performance upgrades. Performance upgrades are hard to notice nowadays due to diminishing returns and high specs are an expensive luxury. Nintendo really tends to avoid this audience so there's probably not many of these people in their fanbase. YOU seem to be one of them and are arguing that you can re-release the same game all over again in 4K and that's a compelling enough reason to repurchase/replay it, but again it seems like this is a false consensus fallacy. What we've seen in regards to sales trends with Nintendo implies that the performance upgrades are probably not the reason people would buy a port, it's likely more people that either never played the original or are diehard fans of the game and would happily replay it 10 times over. New content that the player has never played before it definitely what sells, we've seen this time and time again.

@Bolt_Strike
It is needless categorisation. And I'm not suggesting that people pay full price for remasters. What I'm saying is that Switch 2 Editions are indisputably better for us as consumers in this cross-gen period than the traditional approach of entirely seperate releases on two incompatible platforms. And my main argument in this thread is that, ultimately, what matters to the end user is the availability of games not what tally of titles fit into some arbitrary definition of "games that count"

Really, I would describe the gaming utopia as one where purchasing hardware wasn't even required. One where exclusivity didn't exist because you'd just buy the games. Unfortunately that isn't reality. But in the absence of that utopia any mechanism that brings us closer to that is a good thing. Switch 2 Editions, Switch 2 updates, backwards compatibility, cross platform releases. These are all mechanisms that bring us closer to that

In terms of the Switch 2, in my mind it's just the unavoidable requirement to deliver said software. And, frankly, if I was to design my own piece of hardware for playing games it wouldn't be far off what Switch 2 is. Dockable portable, large high refresh rate screen, power efficient SoC. Obviously others will have different ideas of what makes the ideal and clearly Switch 2 isn't perfect. But in my mind Switch 2 is the closest we have to my ideal

Even so, as far as I'm concerned it's little more than a new bit of hardware in the direction I want to see new hardware go. And also not hamstrung in the way that Switch was. And it has software support. Does it have all the games pushing the hardware to it's limit? No. It's new. Buying a console at launch is dumb. But broadly, there's more than enough here and upcoming to have more games releasing than I can buy and play. Which is good enough. Especially given the games which are, unfortunately, exclusives on it are from Nintendo and their partners. Who are pretty clearly world class, or at least I think so

So to me I see little reason for the doom and gloom

@OmnitronVariant
You created an account on a literal fan forum to, by your own words, criticise the topic of the fandom. You have done nothing on this site since you created your account but criticise the target of this forums fandom

So much so that when I make a point saying that the Steam Deck is a worthwhile platform in spite of it's lack of exclusives you inject yourself into the discussion to talk about how boring and derivative a game DK Bananza is. Perhaps you should look at your own behaviour here before accusing others of being antagonistic

To aid you in your sleuth work: I called you out for constantly bashing the game while only having watched your friend play it and suggested borrowing it for a day from him, which Switch 2 allows you to do with digital game cards.

So now there are 3 possibilities:
1. You‘re averse to sound advice and have no impulse control when it comes to your spending. 2. Your friend does not like you, as he won‘t hand you the controller or lend you the game for a day. 3. You are constructing a narrative.

Which is it?

I stated my views on the topic at hand. That there is more content available on Switch 2 than any reasonable person could get through. And what label we choose to apply to a game is meaningless because, ultimately, the hardware is just a vessel to play games

I'm not gatekeeping your opinions. All I did was bring up the openness and generally non-exclusive nature of PC gaming as a means to highlight that platform exclusivity is not something we should be wanting. And that a hardware platform can be compelling without them.

You don't have an opinion on what I'm saying. What you did is interject yourself into that point to use it as an excuse to antagonise. All I've done since is highlight this behaviour

I'm not sure what more you want from the Switch 2 line up.

It released in June, so in roughly six months we would've got:

Mario Kart World (now I'm seeing people thrilled with the changes Nintendo made)
DK Bananza (an amazing game)
Hollow Knight Silksong
Hades 2
Kirby Air Ride
Pokemon Z-A
Metroid Prime 4
Age of Imprisonment
Cyberpunk 2077, Star Wars Outlaws etc.

https://opencritic.com/browse/switch/2025

You can see how many great titles have released on Switch 1 and 2 this year - there's nearly 80 games with a rating of 80 and above.

I think we're spoiled.