Topic: Current Switch 2 line-up not good enough?

Going on the evidence of how I have previously called you out, you can savely assume that I do not see much good-faith coming from you. In whatever language you want to couch it.

I honestly have little to no strong opinions on what anyone thinks of the Switch 2 lineup either way. Especially as a Wii U owner, so I had plenty of reasons to be less invested than some on those early releases n Switch (2018 had little of interest to me outside of Smash Bros tbh). But I also didn't buy a Switch near launch at all, because I didn't see the need and I had other games to play.

I really can't imagine caring much, even when I would strongly disagree. Like Nintendo is the one putting out 70 dollar games and that puts a different context to this. Why spend 70 dollars for something that's a risk I might not enjoy it? Why wouldn't there be concern Metroid Prime 4 could be compromised to be more successful, considering Zelda did the same (not just because of that, but I'd bet real money that was relevant to discussions, that open world games are popular and a good selling point)? Why wouldn't there be concern if one game costs that much in general that you might've wasted 70 dollars? Or that Gamefreak might screw over fans from getting a high quality experience because delays are scary to them, when that has obviously happened already. Or that you might feel pressured to support games from series that might be gone forever if you don't. It's also silly in general to expect everyone to be into every game people like. As someone who was meh about most 7th gen shooters, and argued with the entirety of the internet that niche Wii games in 2009 were actually better, I get that one. (even if I usually do like games that other people like)

Though on the other hand, I feel like a huge portion of the Switch 2 owners don't have to care that they might've wasted their money (which even that a extreme opinion arguably since Switch 2 will be around for a good long while). So I also don't care that they wasted their money all that much. I'd genuinely feel a lot more sympathy for people where Switch 2 and the bundle and two other full priced games was a majority of their entertainment funds for the year, and it hasn't worked out. Like...ok...you have plenty of other things to enjoy, see you in a year I guess? Why would I have any strong feelings about that? At most it'd earn either an eyeroll or an unironic "good for you" because Nintendo is being greedy so I'm mildly rooting against them right now. (emphasis on mildly, because they could be (insert any western AAA game company here) instead)

It kind of feels like Air Riders in 2025 is a side effect of Prime 4 being delayed. Considering how the Prime 1-3 book is used for marketing Prime 4, we can deduce that Prime 4 was going to be close to the original June release of the Prime 1-3 book. The kind of original 2025 plan that comes to mind is:

• January - DKC Returns HD
• February - Prime 2+3
• March - XCX Definitive Edition
• April - The rumoured Kirby Planet Robobot remake (Kirby is usually early on in the year)
• May - Galaxy 1+2 (Galaxy 2's 15th anniversary is in May)
• June/July - Prime 4
• September - Switch 2, MK World, Welcome Tour
• October - Drag x Drive, Legends Z-A
• November - DK Bananza
• December - Age of Imprisonment

Then you'd have Air Riders, Star Crossed World and Jamboree TV as 2026 releases.

Well I used to have a bad addiction to buying games, but if I'm 100% honest I have only bought one Switch 2 game since launch and that's Fast Fusion (because it was cheap and I was curious about that switch 2's capabilities). For whatever reason I have not seen one single game I thought was worth picking up for the price they were asking at this point. So I'd have to give it an F so far. If you look at the big two 1. I have never liked Mario Kart and it's rubber banding better to be in 2nd or 3rd place until the finish line gameplay 2. While I love DK, the new DK game looks like it's AI procedurally generated levels with particles flying everywhere to please short attention spans. I have hopes that future games will be better, but up till now it's been pretty bad.

@kkslider5552000 I'm in that position — Switch 2, MKW and Bananza were ~80% of my entertainment budget for the year. Not that I can't spend more, but that's based on setting aside $100 every month for entertainment — which is what I want to spend on frivolous things, the rest goes into various savings and necessities.

I don't mind that much — it's not like I'm bitter or anything. I don't spend that much time playing games anymore anyway, but it's still a disappointing situation particularly in terms of MKW. But I've definitely learned my lesson, so it's all good. I'll spend significantly less on Nintendo going forward until I see something that looks truly interesting, rather than assume my instinct is wrong because historically Nintendo has had more hits than misses in total.

huh? I have a fairly good memory, you're just gaslighting everyone here. Everything you say is just a contradiction of whatever you've said previously. And I feel like I'm going crazy reading what you say because I remember the ludicrous stuff you've said previously. Except that.... this is a forum, and the history is recorded, so we can see the receipts

Your earliest posts on here last month you were trying to argue that Nintendo's games were too expensive. Your story was that you had picked up the Mario Kart bundle, played 15 hours of Mario Kart and had listed your Switch 2 for sale. Literally

No follow through there apparently. But also the angle you were going for at the time, given it was early August, was how bad DK Bonanza was and how it wasn't worth the price. Specifically how you weren't buying it at that price because:

But apparently now not only did you not sell your Switch 2, despite all the noise, but you went and bought DK. Even more absurd given that, apparently, your budget for gaming based on the maths above is ~$1100AU a year. But you spent ~$700AU on new hardware this year and you got a Deck a couple of years ago so at least another ~$600AU back then, likely closer to ~$800AU because the 64GB model was a bit silly. And then have the audacity to come into this thread which is a thread complaining about the lack of games

Nintendo releasing more exclusive games for the Switch 2 will not resolve your issue. Your issue is that you're blowing all your gaming budget on hardware. Apparently hardware that you don't research at all before getting and are buying at launch. Honestly, I don't see how Nintendo having more compelling Switch 2 system sellers would help you. Especially given that apparently your MO is to buy them not to play, but so you can complain about how bad they are. This is a budgeting and impulse control issue on your part, it's not a Switch 2 problem

FWIW I also have a "gaming" budget I try to stick to. It's technically more of a "non-essentials" budget. I allocate myself ~$2700AU/year in this budget. Last year I got to the end of the year and had enough left over to pick up a Steam Deck OLED. This year I'm well over it .... but mostly because fibre internet rolled through and I spent money on new access points, network switches, new router and also hiring an electrician to run new network and power points. And also Switch 2 hardware. And also technically the residual impact of the Deck late last year on the rolling average. I haven't been great this year

But the thing about this kind of budgeting is, it doesn't really leave space to be able to make the kinds of complaints some people in this thread are making. I look at the outline above that @Grumblevolcano is dropping, I could comfortably blow a hole in my budget here getting everything I want on that list. Especially in a console launch year. The thread topic is basically circling around whether or not there's enough content on Switch 2 at this point. Man, there's too much content on Switch 2. I don't have the time or money to keep up with the content that's releasing for it. And even if I did there's stuff like Pikmin 4 which I skipped over because when it released I didn't have the time or money to keep up with the content they were releasing

Switch 2 lacking games is not the bottleneck, the bottleneck is my lack of time and money to budget for the games releasing on Switch 2. Games which I would include multi-platform and cross-gen titles because, all things being equal, I couldn't care less what category a game is in. I just want to play the game

@skywake There's a personal aspect to this for sure, but some people here are wondering why there's MULTIPLE people negative/positive to the lineup, so that's where we need a macroeconomic analysis here.

As for the cross gen games and why they do/don't "count" if you have the past console, the issue is that there's a low opportunity cost in skipping the console if you want those games. Because you already have a device that can play it.

Also TotK is a poor comparison to MK8D because MK8D has actual content additions whereas TotK is just graphics and an unnecessary tracking app on mobile. There are better S2Es to make that comparison like Mario Party, Kirby, and presumably Wonder when it releases.

@skywake Hey how about including the posts where I said I tried to sell it, but there were so many Switch 2’s for sale second hand (in Norway) that the price is pushed below nearly half of what I paid and it just did not sell? At which point I cancelled because it’s too much of a loss and I might as well keep it around for future releases?

I did then buy DK because said friend had it digitally (I mentioned this too if you want to do the sleuth work) and they kept speaking highly of it. My rationale was then that since I’m stuck with the thing, might as well give the second big hitter a go. Contrary to what you might believe I don’t want to dislike things I buy. I don’t “hate buy” if that is even a thing.

And I did just also post that I have more than enough games in my existing library (including PC/Deck) where having used that much of my yearly budget for entertainment already on something I don’t enjoy is annoying, given my existing library of games (and many other hobbies I might add), I don’t mind that much, and I’ve learned my lesson.

If you were interested in understanding and not just cheap jabs, none if this is contradictory.

@Bolt_Strike
My thoughts, there are multiple people negative about it because the environment is different. The online tone in 2017 was far less combative and conspiratorial just generally

Also back then if you had a negative view towards Nintendo's output it was easy to dismiss or disregard the Switch. It wasn't a threat to your "team", it wasn't particularly provocative to say you thought it was bad or doomed. It was a follow up to the Wii U. It didn't matter. This time around? Switch is the default dominant gaming platform. Saying Nintendo is doomed is the contrarian take. It's clickbait central, drama, provocative. Certain people gravitate towards that

Lastly it's 2025. There was a huge global inflation spike between 2022 and 2024, an inflation spike that is a foreign concept to pretty much anyone who isn't over 60 or so. An inflation spike that gaming was sheltered from because standard game pricing doesn't move day to day. An inflation spike that's also coinciding with a new console generation and, in the US, raised import taxes. It's pretty obvious why people are worked up

Doesn't mean it's reasonable. Doesn't mean that the average game buyer is particularly fussed. Certainly doesn't mean that there's, as alleged, not enough content to justify the existence of Switch 2

Lastly in terms of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe not being analogous to the Switch 2 Editions of TotK/BotW. This is the kind of needless game categorising nonsense I was getting at. They're both the same game with enhancements. It's the same stuff. The equivalent of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, New SMB U Deluxe, 3D World + Bowser's Fury or BotW being on both Wii U and Switch is a Switch 2 Edition. This is a positive difference between these two generational transitions

@OmnitronVariant
Righto. So it's so bad, such a waste of money and DK was so bad and derivative that.... you withdrew the sale of your used console because you couldn't make your money back and then doubled down buying DK anyways. Despite you now being down 80% of what you are willing to spend on gaming this year on just these two purchases. As I said, it seems to me your issue here is a lack of financial responsibility not the price Nintendo charges

@skywake My entertainment budget is for entertainment and I’m a busy individual with many other interests, so it’s perfectly normal for me to not even spend all of it in a year, and so I took a chance on DK because I have been wrong before about my gut feeling on games — rarely, but it happens. BotW was a big one. Why wouldn’t I want to be wrong when I already have the console and a friend loves the game..? What can I say, I’m human. Other people’s joy affects me.

You’d do well being a bit less antagonistic by the way.

Ehh, this doesn't really follow. Sure maybe for a bit the Nintendoomed crowd thought the Switch was irrelevant, but the Switch's sales quickly became too much to ignore. If that were true we'd have seen the Switch be criticized after the first few years, not wait until the Switch 2 8 years later.

There is a sense of tribalism here, but what's going on here reminds me of a tendency in other types of tribal realms like sports and politics. In those areas, when one team/party is winning, everything is going fine and they're happy. They think their side is great and not doing anything wrong. But then when they lose, they start to put everything under a microscope and find cracks. They point fingers at various sources and heads roll. And doom and gloom pervades until they win again. So there's a saying in American football about this (and possibly other sports too), they say winning cures all ills. This is what I think is going on with Nintendo, they look at the games and don't like what they see, so that is like Nintendo "losing" to them. And that brings out the negativity and finger pointing.

That's certainly a factor, but is that really that the economic situation is making people hostile to ALL games or is it just making them pickier?

Is it "needless categorization" though? New content additions are an easier sell than performance upgrades. Performance upgrades are hard to notice nowadays due to diminishing returns and high specs are an expensive luxury. Nintendo really tends to avoid this audience so there's probably not many of these people in their fanbase. YOU seem to be one of them and are arguing that you can re-release the same game all over again in 4K and that's a compelling enough reason to repurchase/replay it, but again it seems like this is a false consensus fallacy. What we've seen in regards to sales trends with Nintendo implies that the performance upgrades are probably not the reason people would buy a port, it's likely more people that either never played the original or are diehard fans of the game and would happily replay it 10 times over. New content that the player has never played before it definitely what sells, we've seen this time and time again.

@Bolt_Strike
It is needless categorisation. And I'm not suggesting that people pay full price for remasters. What I'm saying is that Switch 2 Editions are indisputably better for us as consumers in this cross-gen period than the traditional approach of entirely seperate releases on two incompatible platforms. And my main argument in this thread is that, ultimately, what matters to the end user is the availability of games not what tally of titles fit into some arbitrary definition of "games that count"

Really, I would describe the gaming utopia as one where purchasing hardware wasn't even required. One where exclusivity didn't exist because you'd just buy the games. Unfortunately that isn't reality. But in the absence of that utopia any mechanism that brings us closer to that is a good thing. Switch 2 Editions, Switch 2 updates, backwards compatibility, cross platform releases. These are all mechanisms that bring us closer to that

In terms of the Switch 2, in my mind it's just the unavoidable requirement to deliver said software. And, frankly, if I was to design my own piece of hardware for playing games it wouldn't be far off what Switch 2 is. Dockable portable, large high refresh rate screen, power efficient SoC. Obviously others will have different ideas of what makes the ideal and clearly Switch 2 isn't perfect. But in my mind Switch 2 is the closest we have to my ideal

Even so, as far as I'm concerned it's little more than a new bit of hardware in the direction I want to see new hardware go. And also not hamstrung in the way that Switch was. And it has software support. Does it have all the games pushing the hardware to it's limit? No. It's new. Buying a console at launch is dumb. But broadly, there's more than enough here and upcoming to have more games releasing than I can buy and play. Which is good enough. Especially given the games which are, unfortunately, exclusives on it are from Nintendo and their partners. Who are pretty clearly world class, or at least I think so

So to me I see little reason for the doom and gloom

@OmnitronVariant
You created an account on a literal fan forum to, by your own words, criticise the topic of the fandom. You have done nothing on this site since you created your account but criticise the target of this forums fandom

So much so that when I make a point saying that the Steam Deck is a worthwhile platform in spite of it's lack of exclusives you inject yourself into the discussion to talk about how boring and derivative a game DK Bananza is. Perhaps you should look at your own behaviour here before accusing others of being antagonistic

@skywake There’s no prerequisite nor rule that says I have to only post praise. And I have written quite a few posts and comments about other topics, including positive ones.

Also I responded with my comment about DK in context of this topic. Did you forget?

You are not a moderator, but you act like a gatekeeper of opinions. Why?

To aid you in your sleuth work: I called you out for constantly bashing the game while only having watched your friend play it and suggested borrowing it for a day from him, which Switch 2 allows you to do with digital game cards.

So now there are 3 possibilities:
1. You‘re averse to sound advice and have no impulse control when it comes to your spending. 2. Your friend does not like you, as he won‘t hand you the controller or lend you the game for a day. 3. You are constructing a narrative.

Which is it?

I stated my views on the topic at hand. That there is more content available on Switch 2 than any reasonable person could get through. And what label we choose to apply to a game is meaningless because, ultimately, the hardware is just a vessel to play games

I'm not gatekeeping your opinions. All I did was bring up the openness and generally non-exclusive nature of PC gaming as a means to highlight that platform exclusivity is not something we should be wanting. And that a hardware platform can be compelling without them.

You don't have an opinion on what I'm saying. What you did is interject yourself into that point to use it as an excuse to antagonise. All I've done since is highlight this behaviour

I'm not sure what more you want from the Switch 2 line up.

It released in June, so in roughly six months we would've got:

Mario Kart World (now I'm seeing people thrilled with the changes Nintendo made)
DK Bananza (an amazing game)
Hollow Knight Silksong
Hades 2
Kirby Air Ride
Pokemon Z-A
Metroid Prime 4
Age of Imprisonment
Cyberpunk 2077, Star Wars Outlaws etc.

https://opencritic.com/browse/switch/2025

You can see how many great titles have released on Switch 1 and 2 this year - there's nearly 80 games with a rating of 80 and above.

I think we're spoiled.

@skywake
@OmnitronVariant isn't gonna flex, man. They're just gonna keep saying (ironically) they're being persecuted... in a gaming forum lol And now they're on a high horse kick of accusing everyone else of being "mean" or something like that, I don't know. They accuse you of gatekeeping, but there is literally no gate to even keep around here. It's a free public forum.

And @Bolt_Strike is just doing the usual "the way I think is the way everyone else thinks... except for you, but I've decided to not like you" fallacy, and they seem pretty committed to the bit, so... yea. I just don't think you're gonna get very far with either of them right now.

@bixente
How dare you come here with facts and stats. Begone! (lol sorry j/k)

I wonder if the real issue isn’t so much the lineup itself, but the lack of a clear incentive to see the Switch 2 as a huge leap over the original. And that's what's bleeding into the general impression of the console.

Whenever new hardware launches, I think we all expect to be a little wowed, but the Switch 2’s upgrades feel pretty modest so far - a bigger screen, a nicer tactile feel. The rest such as game chat, webcam features, mouse mode, etc comes off more like gimmicks that don’t add much in practice. I can totally see the comparisons to Wii U here in the sense it's really not the big evolutionary jump we expected.

Ultimately, Nintendo will probably need to start phasing out support for the original Switch if they want the new system to stand on its own, but for obvious reasons that’s easier said than done.

@rallydefault
That be how it be. I just have a bit of a habit of being fairly chill, broadly optimistic but blunt and prone to simplifying problems. Which serves me well in the real world..... but seems to infuriate those who like to create forum drama to no end

Switch 2 is a huge leap over the Switch in terms of hardware power. I've seen it most actually with the third party ports - Star Wars Outlaws an open world adventure with Ray tracing! Cyberpunk 2077, another terrific port. Compare WWE 2K25 with WWE 2K18 on Switch -