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ThomGee

@BigYellow Are 2D platformers with 3D models included in this?

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GoldenGamer88

I'd second the mention of Vexx. I haven't played it in well over a decade so I won't, or rather can't go into many details but I remember really diggin it as a (roughly) 10 years-old on GameCube.

Jett Rocket is one that also went by with little fanfare despite good reviews and me liking it quite a lot as well. It may be a bit on the short side and the replayability is low but the levels and gameplay are varied and fun.

Blinx is also quite an underrated game. Never understood why it, or Blinx the character, was so disliked. The time mechanic was creative and fun. But again, don't remember much since it's also been ten years or so.

It may not be as underrated as the ones I've mentioned or others have mentioned and will mention, but I've always loved DK64. The levels, the weapons, the collectibles, the boss battles and especially that multiplayer. No idea how anyone could dislike this game.

Well, it may not be a ranking on my part mostly as there are very few underrated 3D platformers I know and have played recently. Having played Yooka-Laylee as well as Mario 64 and Tooie (my internet was gone for like a week so what is there to do besides watch tv, read a good book and play the old classics?), I gotta say it's definitely more frustrating than I remember. Or I just grew less patient as I grew older. Overall, not a genre I've played much the past few years due to the obvious lack of releases.

Maybe the Rare games as an option for next time?

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WarioIsTopTier

@Nintendoer Hmmmm, I dunno, I think they're considered different genres by the masses. It's cool with me, but maybe have it as an honorable mention or a separate list.

@LuckyLand I thought Unleashed on the Wii was pretty good. I remember always wanting to play the HD versions as a kid, and then a few years later I found it ran at like 6FPS so I guess I'll leave it be.

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Krull

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Haven't played that many 3D platformers, as I don't think the Sony consoles have been as well served for that genre as Nintendo, but I'll make a shout for Daxter. This was one of the best PSP titles. Bright, colourful and fantastic mini games inspired by, among others, The Matrix. Not sure it counts as underrated though - probably more underplayed.

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RR529

Really, the only 3D platformers I've played are mostly big names, being either Mario, Sonic, or Crash, so I'll have to skip out on this one.

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crimsontadpoles

I've not played a lot of 3D platformers lately except for the big names like Mario. So for this list, I'm going to have to try to remember back to when I played lots of platformers back in the PS2 days. It was so long ago now, so my opinions might be affected by nostalgia and rose-tinted goggles.

  • 1: The Hobbit (PS2): Still one of my all time favourite games. It had plenty of exploration and hidden items to find, interesting environment, plenty of puzzles and great music and story.
  • 2: Pac-Man World 2 (PS2): Another game that I loved back in the day. It had a great variety of levels and a solid gameplay, and plenty of hidden items to find. Some parts of the game were frustratingly hard.
  • 3: Wallace and Gromit in Project Zoo (PS2): It had charming characters, and lots of well hidden items. Gameplay was rough round the edges and some parts could get annoying.
  • 4: Whiplash (PS2): I liked the goofy characters and dialogue, but gameplay could be tedious.
  • 5: Fur Fighters: Viggo's Revenge (PS2): It had a wide array of large areas to explore, and it was I liked how you had to constantly switch characters in order to overcome the puzzles.

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Tyranexx

Yeah, I'm gonna have to sit out on this one as well. 3D platformers are a genre that I haven't been able to touch much outside of the Mario series (and I still haven't played Sunshine or most of 64). The ones that I want to play the most are unfortunately owned by Rare/Microsoft.

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WarioIsTopTier

Right, I'll get my list out there now. I won't order them like before though, this topic is generally a little trickier to rank. This isn't best to worst or anything, just a literal list.

1. Donald Duck: Quack Attack - This might be more of a nostalgia thing than an actual underrated game, but I loved this game as a kid. I have revisited it once and it actually held up okay. It's basically a shorter and easier Crash Bandicoot, with differences being you can take two hits, the chase levels are unlockable levels, and the bosses actually being good. It's a pretty good game and if you find Crash too difficult I would genuinely recommend this.

2. Donkey Kong 64 - Someone mentioned this already, but I really feel this game is almost on the level of SM64 and Banjo-Kazooie. The big problem for me is the Tag Barrel, if you could switch Kongs on the fly, this game would go from great to amazing. Still a brilliant game, just terrible to 100%.

3. Ty the Tasmanian Tiger - I think this might be more of a case of 'underplayed' than 'underrated', similar to Psychonauts, as the game is very popular on Steam, but you don't hear about it anywhere else for the most part. Still, this game really holds up for me. It plays well, has an amazing soundtrack, and awesome levels. Haven't played Ty 2 yet though.

4. Sonic Lost World (Wii U) - This the only Sonic game I really consider underrated, and the only 3D Sonic other than Colours and Generations I consider top-notch games. It's a really fun game once you learn the mechanics and how to go maxspeed whenever possible, but that's the big issue. The game does a horrendous job of teaching all it's mechanics, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if at least half of the people who played this game never knew you could do an infinite Spin Dash. Also, the Wisp usage and the bosses were poor. Otherwise, really fun game.

5. Conker: Live and Reloaded - This game improves upon the original in almost every way, as much as I love Conker's Bad Fur Day, after that hilarious first playthough you realize the gameplay itself isn't that thought out. The remake fixes so much, the shooting segments in War and Heist are so much better, the swimming sections were less obnoxious, bosses which dragged on now take less hits, the music and audio sounds brilliant, it looks amazing for an Xbox game, and the controls as a whole were vastly improved. One strange change they made was censoring a lot more words in the dialog with the 'bleep' sound, and for some people, this is enough to completely dismiss the game. It's completely bonkers, it doesn't make the game any less funny, so why do people make it out to be such an issue? Some people take censorship a bit too seriously. Sure, the less the better, but it doesn't make any major difference.

That'll do for now, if I think of anything else I'll mention it later.

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LuckyLand

Can Castle of Illusion remake be considered a 3D game? It has 2D gameplay for the most part but sometimes it gives you a little more freedom or change perspective. If yes then I would put it on par with Sonic Unleashed (first place), despite the fact that unfortunately it is good only on PC. On consoles (at least on PS3) the framerate is so ugly that completely ruins the game at the point that it feels like you were playing a completely different (and far worse) game

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@LuckyLand Honestly 3D or not if it's an underrated platformer might as well give it a mention. It's good to let other people know about these kinda games.

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Snaplocket

Do the Sonic Adventure games count? Those games were pretty great, even if they aged.

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ThomGee

Well, in that case, I recommend Super Panda Adventures. I got it for less than a dollar on Steam, and it's a surprisingly good Metroid-like platformer.

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StuTwo

@GoldenGamer88 I really disliked DK64.

It was straining at what the N64 could do.

The controls definitely needed another couple of face buttons ('hold Z and press c-down') and a camera stick (seriously). It would certainly have controlled much better on the GameCube.

That's the least of the games problems though. The character swapping mechanic is awful design. DK64 isn't the only game that abuses it but it is one of the worst offenders. I hate seeing red bannanas that can only be collected by Doddy when I'm playing as Tiny.

I also hate the sheer size of the worlds. Don't get me wrong - I appreciate the appeal - but the worlds have to be intelligently designed and fun to navigate. They aren't in DK64.

Leaning in on half baked (often difficult to see) mini games was another bad design choice.

I even disliked the visual style. I'd gone in hoping for a 3D version of the DKC games (which had a gorgeous naturalistic style) and the cartoony style of DK64 was a disappointment.

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WarioIsTopTier

@Snaplocket Maybe, I'd consider the original Dreamcast Sonic Adventure kinda underrated, as it's far more polished and less buggy than Sonic Adventure DX. SADX is an utter catastrophe and it's a shame it's what most people have played.

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@GoldenGamer88 @StuTwo It'll never happen realistically, but DK64 could really do with a remaster. Just the ability to change Kongs on the go and a few refinements to the minigames would really make a difference. Even a romhack could do the job.

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I hate seeing red bannanas that can only be collected by Doddy when I'm playing as Tiny.

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GoldenGamer88

@StuTwo All fair and understandable points and I admitedly haven't played through it in well over a decade. I do have it on WiiU so I might play through it again if I find the time. Still that multiplayer, though.

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Snaplocket

@BigYellow Sonic Adventure DX really wasn't that bad. I've played it all the way through and the Gamecube version included Game gear games.

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StuTwo

@BigYellow I can appreciate that there's loads of good ideas in DK64 - a remaster and a coat of polish would address a lot of problems.

However changing characters on the fly might break parts of the game and there's no singular focus in the game. Addressing the underlying problems with the game would mean you'd end up with a completely different game.

Oh and you can have Doddy King but 'Toils', Tails' hard working cousin, is mine!

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WarioIsTopTier

@Snaplocket It's a good game sometimes but lacks some serious polish. The gameplay is mostly fun, but that's it really. I find the Tails and Knuckles stages great fun, but everything else is either boring or a glitchy mess. Half the Sonic stages I'm scared to go fast cause I'll bug through a wall.

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Snaplocket

@BigYellow Am I the only one who really liked Amy's stages? (Big's were relatively harmless but meh overall)

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