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WarioIsTopTier

Huge thanks to @Meowpheel and @Tsurii for suggesting this idea, It's something I should've done from the beginning of my whole games ranking fiasco but nonetheless it's here now.

Instead of just making a new thread for ranking games within their series whenever the old topic starts to get quiet, I'm just gonna have one thread where I'll change the topic every now and again.

I'm open for suggestions on what the next game series to discuss should be, it certainly doesn't have to be a Nintendo series, but don't suggest anything too niche, I'd like to have as many people as possible involved and that's hard when no one knows the game series up for ranking.

If there's a series or game you'd love to talk about but there aren't many games in that series to rank, don't worry! Ranking things within a game is cool too. (e.g. ARMS characters, Tracks of a certain Mario Kart, Team Fortress 2 classes, ect.)

If there's a way to set up a poll to choose the next topic, that would be awesome, but as far as I know there's no way to do that on Nintendo Life. If that's the case I'll just use an external program and post the results here.

Right, the first set of games up for ranking from worst to best are the Mainline Pokemon Games. It would be best to rank them by generation, but X&Y and ORAS could be an exception, as there's enough differences to warrant separate rankings.

If you have the time please give reasoning for your rankings, you don't have to by any means as I know that could take some time, but it's easier to start a discussion the more reasoning you have.

That's all there is to say, so happy ranking!

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Cynas

Instead of ranking by generation, I'm just going to lump the remakes and the originals together. This is also coming from someone who hardly uses the online features at all, so that won't be affecting my ranking.

7. Pearl/Diamond/Platinum
This one is the least memorable in my opinion. I thought maybe because it's currently one of the least relevant since it came out a while ago and hasn't had a remake, but I played it recently and my opinion still stands. The Pokemon are among the least memorable in the series and the story is bland even for a Pokemon game. Rivals are also a huge part of the game in my opinion, and Barry is among the worst.

6. X/Y
X and Y were pretty decent games, and it was nice to have 3D models in the core series for the first time but it suffers from the same problems as Diamond and Pearl. It's just really forgettable. There were too many "rivals" so it was hard to become attached to any of them since the character development was spread out among each one, although their personalities were pretty shallow anyway to be honest. None of them really felt like rivals either. It gets points for having some interesting locations and a somewhat interesting plot near the end of the game, but altogether it wasn't that great.

5. Red/Blue/Yellow/FireRed/LeafGreen
Once you take off the nostalgia glasses, the original Pokemon game was pretty bland. Which makes sense, since it was the first game of the series, but judging all of the games together it just falls flat. Compared to any of the other games it doesn't hold up as well over time. I have a hard time placing it any lower since Pokemon Yellow was my first pokemon game, many of the Pokemon from the first game are still on my team today, and Gary is such a great rival (probably the second best).

4. Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald/ORAS
This was the first game which had a noticeable difference between it's pair game. The 2 villain teams played a huge part of the game and it was really enjoyable overall. The main flaw is the amount of water in the game. Caves and water are 2 of the most annoying things in Pokemon games because of all the random encounters. Sure there's repels but I shouldn't be forced to use repels to enjoy the game. The part that the legendaries played in the game was really well done, the introduction of double battles was nice, and diving underwater was pretty interesting despite the encounters. The extra post-game story in ORAS was probably my favorite part of any Pokemon game, so it gains points for that too.

3. Black/White/Black 2/White 2
N is possibly my favorite character out of any Pokemon game. He didn't really work as a rival, but I love his personality and theme song. It also had one big cohesive story that was interesting from star to finish. The enemy team wasn't as typical as it usually is so it was a bit of a refreshing change too.

2. Sun/Moon
This game really changed up the formula, and for the most part it was all great changes. The typical "beat gyms then beat elite 4" was getting kinda old, so it was nice to see such a big change. The totem Pokemon fights were really interesting, I loved how they finally got rid of HMs, and it had an interesting story to boot. Unfortunately the story doesn't really kick in until about half way through the game so it's pretty slow initially. Some of the trials were a little too basic for me, and to be honest I wasn't too fond of the whole ultra beast thing, but overall I loved the game.

1. Silver/Gold/Crystal/SoulSiver/HeartGold
I hate to be cliche about this, but it really is an amazing game. You're essentially getting 2 games in 1. You get to beat the entire Jhoto and Kanto region, and the fight at the end versus Red is just so iconic. Silver is also my favorite rival in the entire series. He's enough of an arrogant megalomaniac that you feel compelled to constantly beat him, and you can see him slowly change throughout the game. This game also has one of the most memorable gym fights with Whitney's Miltank. Overall I had a blast with this game, and even going back to play SoulSilver today it holds up very well.

Watch the language please...-Joey

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Octane

@Xaldin Not just the remakes; the original Gold, Silver and Crystal hold up pretty well too IMO.

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Cynas

Octane wrote:

@Xaldin Not just the remakes; the original Gold, Silver and Crystal hold up pretty well too IMO.

Yeah I'm sure the originals do as well. There wasn't that many differences between the original and the remake. I'm just mentioning SoulSilver because the internal battery of my copy of Silver died a while ago so it's been quite some time since I've played it.

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WarioIsTopTier

@Xaldin Pretty similar to my opinions really, I'll get them up in a bit as I'm a little tied up right now. Gold and Silver are fan favourites and I'm a big fan myself.

If I had any issues it'd be that while two regions was awesome I wasn't the biggest fan of Jotho itself and that while HGSS is fine in this regard, the Gen 2 meta sucks and isn't really fun to play considering how stall-based it is. That's only really an issue if you're a big Pokemon Showdown player like myself though.

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WarioIsTopTier

@GoldenGamer88 Cor, your lists are always a treat to read, really the kind of stuff I'm glad to have here.

I'll finally get my list done, although my reasons for where I rank each game are fairly unorthodox. I'm a big fan of Pokemon Showdown and the battling aspect of Pokemon, so my enjoyment of each game is heavily affected by the 'meta' and mechanics of each generation. The main games play a huge part of course also, I can't count that out, Pokemon is still a childhood fave.

Also, I haven't played Sun and Moon, played loads on Showdown, and the meta is insanely fun, but I'll have to leave it out considering I haven't touched and of the story. I'll prolly get to it someday, my girlfriend has Sun so maybe I'll have a little look there.

7. Gen 6 (X&Y) - Mechanically, these games are brilliant, Megas were an awesome edition (with a few stinkers), the weather wars of Gen 5 were over, and Fairy type was a welcome edition. While there weren't many new Pokemon, the ones that were there were really solid in design. The game as a whole however, was a big step down from B&W2 for me. The regoin wasn't that intresting, the pacing was awful, a bad evil team and story, cool new ideas were underutilized, not many memorable characters, a dreadful postgame and no challenge whatsoever. The entire game was a cakewalk and felt pretty rushed as a whole. Not bad by any means, but not a game I'll revisit.

6. Gen 4 - Pearl was my first Pokemon game, and as much as I loved it, It hasn't stood the test of time for me. It has a few of the issues early gen 6 has, but has a lot more poor Pokemon designs, and the meta wasn't very fun. Spikes were cool, but Stealth Rock is just dumb, too much reward for very little effort. Besides that, the generation as a whole is pretty great. The physical/special split was a godsend, the game offered a good challenge, had a decent postgame, had awesome new evolutions for old Pokemon, and while Diamond and Pearl don't do much for me, HGSS is INCREDIBLE.

5. Gen 1 - I have no nostalgia for gen 1, the original games are very flawed and have aged poorly, and the game is really slow paced. However, gen 1 has one redeeming factor, the meta is BONKERS. Sure, status sucks, sure, there's like 15 viable Pokemon, but oh my god, competitive gen 1 is soooo much fun. It's anyone's game, you could be 4-1 down and suddenly get 5 crits in a row and win. It really saves Gen 1 for me and has to be seen to be believed.

4. Gen 2 - Gen 2 is kinda the opposite of Gen 1 for me, the games are so much more complete and enjoyable, but the meta is really boring. Rest+Sleep Talk is everywhere, Snorlax is everywhere, and my excitement is out the window. Still, there's no denying just how good the base games are, and the meta is a small price to pay for a real gem of a game.

3. Gen 5 - Similar situation to Gen 2, except instead of being awesome games with a bad meta, it had REALLY awesome games and a bareable meta. White 2 was one of my favourite games growing up, and with a good challenge, a cool story and a metric ton of things to do post game, Gen 5 holds a place in my heart. I've never played the original Black and White, but they don't seem as good to me, so that's a factor.

2. Gen 3 - The region of Hoenn alone sells Gen 3 for me, the games themselves were a joy to play though, with awesome locations, a decent evil team, a good challenge and some of my favourite Pokemon designs ever. The meta was really fun too, although not quite as good as Gen 6 or 7's to me. Also the Battle Frontier is just the icing on the cake for me, hours of fun to be had.

1. Gen 6 (ORAS) - They took my favorite region and made it even better, took my favorite meta and threw that in too, add in new Megas, the Delta Episode, Dexnav, and a more fleshed out story? Well this one just answers itself.

Okay we lost the Battle Frontier but overall it was worth it.

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WarioIsTopTier

It's great to see people putting so much effort into these, really makes a difference and shows these games clearly mean a lot to people.

Any suggestions for what series to cover next? It won't change for a while more, but I'm curious what you guys'd like to discuss.

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GoldenGamer88

@BigYellow How about Zelda? I'd have a lot to rant about Twilight Princess and of how the HD version is worse.

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WarioIsTopTier

@GoldenGamer88 That was one I had in mind, I've never actually played Twilight Princess, my mate got the HD version and I don't think he talked about it once less than a few days after he got it.

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GoldenGamer88

@BigYellow Oh, it's just ugly to look at and dark for the sake of being dark (as a response to the fan outcry about Wind Waker). But that's just scratching the surface.

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WarioIsTopTier

@GoldenGamer88 Agreed on how it looks, the darker tone was an interesting change but the visual style is taking it too far, you'd find more colour in a Game Boy game. Also taking the 'just enhance the textures and put it in HD' route was lazy, it worked for Wind Waker, but not here. If you emulated the original on a PC in 1080p it would look almost identical.

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gcunit

I do wish I'd played some Pokemon back in the day. I never had a portable as a kid, and the whole Pokemon phenomenon completely passed me by.

I bought my first portable (N3DS) in 2015 and the first game I got was Pokemon Y as I had to see what the big deal was. Played it for 6 hours, beat the first gym, but hadn't found it especially engaging. I get that it evolves, but after 6 hours of play it wants to get a move on in my book.

You guys had me at blood and semen.

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WarioIsTopTier

@gcunit Fair enough, Y is a rough one to start with, it really takes it's time getting anywhere. It also doesn't help the whole game is baby time in terms of difficulty.

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gcunit

@BigYellow Funnily enough my decision to start with Y was based on comments in these very forums...

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Octane

@gcunit That's what you get if you don't listen to me, I told you to start with Gold and Silver

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WarioIsTopTier

I remember when my friend asked what Pokemon game to start with as a joke I told him to buy Pokemon Dash. But then we went to a game store and he actually picked it up.

I was very close to not stopping him.

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