I wouldn't mind seeing the Rise of Skywalker in theaters (I'm more of a casual fan, so don't have particularly strong feelings either way about any of the films, though admit the first trilogy feels the best), though as I'm not a big fan of large crouds I'll probably wait until the home release.
Anyhow, I started up the single player mode of Star Wars Battlefront 2 this morning.
It looks absolutely stunning & is suprisingly difficult (though that may be due in part to the fact I don't play too many shooters, and am playing in 3rd person), though a bit glitchy (on many occasions enemies would go in and out of walls, one of which was responsible for one of my deaths, when I thought I had cleared a room I was suddenly being shot at again & before I died I found an arm sticking out of a wall shooting me).
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That Finn and rose thing was never going to work. That kiss looked so awkward and forced anyway. There was clearly no chemistry between the two. As for the lesbian kiss I'll just say really? Whatever floats your boat!
I have just seen it, and I have to surprisingly say that I enjoyed it.
I thought the ending made it into a ROTJ reboot, which is ironic as TFA was a reboot of Ep4, but I think JJ Abrahams done well with what he was left with. If I now look at all 9 Films as a group, Episode 8 is the Film that doesn’t belong.
Hopefully in the future there will be a re-cut Version (The Last Jedi - The JJ Abrahams Cut, ala Richard Donner Cut with Superman 2).
A New Hope was originally a considered to be bad, but was re-cut before releasing. It’s a shame that wasn’t done with Ep8.
When George was still in charge of star wars during the prequel era nobody wanted him near the franchise anymore. Now that disney has it the bashing has shifted from him to them and everybody wants george back.
The scenarios are opposites. George was the architect and he had a plan for the prequels. The problem was he was the only one making the calls and had a bunch of yes-men not questioning any of the bizarre choices he made in execution. While the underlying plot of the prequels (especially that of Palpatine, which was the true prequel star, IMO) was good, the execution fell flat in a lot of places. It was a coherent story, but I feel like if George had stayed as the overall creative and story writer and editor, but handed off the actual directing and dialogue/script to other people they could have been vastly better.
These new sequels have the opposite problem. They had no overall plan or coherent story. No single captain steering the ship. Instead, they just brought in whatever names they could to direct and come up with a story on the fly. They should have had one person in charge of keeping continuity and coherency while all these other people were just going with whatever fan fiction they were dreaming up and running with.
I think the problem of the sequels is the worse one, because at least I can follow and like the plot of the prequels (again, mainly the Palpatine manipulations and plotting).
The combination of these scenarios makes me wonder what could have been - had Disney used and stuck to George Lucas' original outline and ideas for the sequels, but used fresh directors and script writers.
I watched Rise Of Skywalker yesterday, while I think it’s an improvement of TLJ, there are two many ideas that are introduced into the final film. If I look at the final trilogy as a whole my reaction is that it’s disjointed, Lucasfilm under Disney clearly didn’t have a plan or an overall story arc for all three films. To me it makes the TLJ standout even more as the film that doesn’t belong.
I think elements of the first half of the film could have made it into episode 8, with the last half of this film staying intact and more fleshed out.
It’s been well documented that George Lucas had submitted his idea for the final trilogy and that Disney didn’t want to go along with it. Maybe they should have done, continuity wise it would have been better than what we got.
Hopefully I’ll like the Mandalorian, but Disney+ is yet to make it to the Uk.
@Farmboy74: I agree that parts of RoS could have been in TLJ. I, too, watched it last night. I enjoyed it. I also felt that Disney was in certain ways responding to criticisms of the previous 2 films. We see things that are supposed to explain certain previous questions, good things are enhanced, less-favorable things are dialed back. If I knew how to spoiler, so people wouldn't see, unless they clicked, I would type specifics.
Those Last Jedi haters are nuts! They clearly saw a different movie than what i saw. Everything in that movie seemed pretty star warsy to me. Guess I'm just a bigger fan with a more open mind. Only the Ewok movies and that christmas special are the truly worst things to come out of this franchise.
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@Zeldafan79 “ Those Last Jedi haters are nuts! They clearly saw a different movie than what i saw. Everything in that movie seemed pretty star warsy to me.”
Just because i didn’t like TLJ, why does that make me nuts?
The below video pretty much sums up why I don’t like it.
Can I ask why you like it ?
jump No, it's just further proof that they had no idea where they were going to go with this trilogy.
It's always been the case Star Wars has been made up on the fly, Return of the Jedi is a different movie to what was on the script to make it happier for toy sales.
@Gerald
Well i thought Mark hammil was really good in TLJ and his more grumpy personality was actually pretty funny. I liked when he trolls Rey with the piece of grass telling her that's the force! The space battle at the beginning was pretty exciting, Chewie trying to eat the porg while the live porg was staring at him looking traumatized got plenty of laughs! Rey and Kylo's team up with the praetorian guards was the coolest thing I'd ever seen and totally unexpected! Luke showing up at the end to mess with kylo only to be later revealed he wasn't even there and just using force projection!
I think that about covers my favorite moments! Okay so maybe nuts is harsh but the haters are clearly not that into star wars or they'd try to have a little fun instead of going all disney bashy and my childhood was ruined and all that! Star wars has been goofy nonsense since the beginning!
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@Zeldafan79 I’m glad you liked it.
I personally think the comedy moments are OTT & misplaced, and made it too much like a Marvel Film (with Marvel it works, but not for me with Starwars)
The whole killing off Snoke was a big let down. I doubt it was intended to bring Palestine back in Ep9, but where else could the Story go ? (I guess this is what happens when there is no story outline for all 3 parts from the beginning - failing to plan = planning to fail).
The fight seen you refer to was awful, looking at I would expect that was done in 1 take, you could clearly see the.guard’s attack were no where near Kylo & Ray. I’ve seen better choreography in a School play (my opinion).
The story plot of a slow space chase, waiting for rebels to run out of fuel. WTF, really?
But the part (although a minor point) that totally killed for me was Princess Leia flying though space. I personally could not get over this when i see it at the Cinema.
Having watched it last week for a 2nd time, although I was more tolerant due to the surprise/shock factor not being present, it was still ridiculous.
I guess all of the above has been stated before, and this rant sounds like a broken record, but this is the “different” Episode 8 I watched compared to you.
There are some ridiculous Force ideas in Episode 9 also (I won’t mention in case of spoilers), but I think there were a lot less gripes than Ep8 for me personally.
This is all opinion of course.
It baffles me that critics are saying Ep8 is better than Ep9. I read that purely as Critics scoring the Films on political and “issues of the world today” content, for which Ep8 would the best film in the Series.
It's always been the case Star Wars has been made up on the fly, Return of the Jedi is a different movie to what was on the script to make it happier for toy sales.
You mean they just changed wookies into ewoks? That hardly changes how the story proceeds though.
Yes, they largely made the original trilogy up as they went along. But the crucial difference was that it was the same people making the calls with each movie, so it feels consistent and believable because it's coming from the same person who had a set idea for the sort of thing he was going for.
If you get someone who's never seen the original trilogy and make them watch the whole thing, there's no real way they'd know that Vader being Luke's father was invented after the first movie was already out. It actually fits incredibly well with the first movie, because Obi-wan talks about Luke's father a lot and looks very awkward when Luke asks how he died. Seen retrospectively, it looks like foreshadowing.
And you definitely wouldn't know that the Emperor being the "Dark Lord of the Sith" was invented between movies too, and he was originally just supposed to be a corrupt human politician. These reveals are all handled incredibly well.
@Gerald
I thought the leia flying through space thing was rather magical! I actually enjoyed it as do many other people I've talked to! How else were they gonna show us Leia using the force? Luke said in time she would learn to use it as he had. Now a bunch of space teddy bears fighting off the empire with sticks and logs. That's totally not rediculous! As for the not having a set plan from the start thing. How do you guys know this? Were you in the meetings when things about this trilogy were being decided on? I've seen concept art from TFA that looks an awful lot like palpatine. There's a picture of a hooded character with a messed up face holding vaders charred helmet. If this wasn't the plan all along where did that come from? Look at the hooded figure on the second row.
@Dezzy George actually wrote a ton of stuff for Star Wars, way more than he ever used. Just groundwork of the entire world, so there was always something he could lean back on, and it wouldn't feel out of place because it was always there anyway. I mean, New Hope was foreshadowing The Emperor; Darth Vader was still alive when the credits rolled. Sure, the ending was conclusive, but I don't believe he never planned to make a sequel. Of course, that depended on whether the first one was successful, but I think the intention was always there.
@Zeldafan79 We see Star Wars differently, and that’s ok, Each their own.
The Princess Leia flying through space is still ridiculous and comical at the same time. It looked like the Statue of Liberty flying through space, and also the Laws of Gravity changing from leaving and getting back to the ship - That is pi$$ poor, why even bother. Jedi’s are not Magician’s or Super Heroes
As I said, each their own
It's always been the case Star Wars has been made up on the fly, Return of the Jedi is a different movie to what was on the script to make it happier for toy sales.
You mean they just changed wookies into ewoks? That hardly changes how the story proceeds though.
Yes, they largely made the original trilogy up as they went along. But the crucial difference was that it was the same people making the calls with each movie, so it feels consistent and believable because it's coming from the same person who had a set idea for the sort of thing he was going for.
If you get someone who's never seen the original trilogy and make them watch the whole thing, there's no real way they'd know that Vader being Luke's father was invented after the first movie was already out. It actually fits incredibly well with the first movie, because Obi-wan talks about Luke's father a lot and looks very awkward when Luke asks how he died. Seen retrospectively, it looks like foreshadowing.
And you definitely wouldn't know that the Emperor being the "Dark Lord of the Sith" was invented between movies too, and he was originally just supposed to be a corrupt human politician. These reveals are all handled incredibly well.
There were a lot of other changes to it than just that. Solo was meant to be killed early on to make you unsure who would survive as the movies goes on, Leia fails as a leader, Luke abandons everyone, the Rebels are gone etc. One of Lucas' key producers quit because of all of the changes.
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