@Rambler Murakami get accused of misogyny a fair bit but it's mostly down to he's very bad at writing female characters, which is odd as I've seen him write about spaghetti for three pages likes it's poetry so you'd think a few women wouldn't be too hard to write. Plus there's been a few subplots of underage sex in some of his books.
Yeah Gaiman is LGBTQ friendly, I seem to remember non-binary and trans were in his books long before the idea was mainstream but I was thinking more of his satire of religion. He portrayed Lucifer as sympathetic in The Sandman (a bit like in Wreck It Ralph where you're forced into the position of being the bad guy even if you don't want to be), American Gods (an amazing book btw) and Good Omens are both very heavy on religion.
Fight Club was my introduction into the idea of nihilism which has pretty much stuck with me ever since so maybe I am wrong and books should be banned for their dangerous ideas. lol
@Eel In fairness some people don't want things like "gay" on their search history or on their phone in fear exposure as well as those smaller communities where libraries are so important are often the ones with the worst internet connections. There's a comedian I like and he talked about growing up dirt poor so as a teen he would go to the library to use their internet as that was the only he could access the internet and just spend the entire day researching various topics.
The sad thing is the smaller communities that will burn/ban the gay literature are probably the ones that need it the most. As confusing as the idea of being non-binary, trans or just plain gay is to the pitch fork wielding book burning townsfolk it's just as confusing (probably more so) to the young adults going through those realizations and without that kind of understanding it can lead to self-loathing, depression or suicide especially if they fear talking about it to anyone about it.
@Rambler Actually, Fahrenheit 451 HAS been challenged, banned, burned, and censored (via Wikipedia, with relevant sources in the footnotes of the book's article).
In Apartheid South Africa the book was burned along with thousands of banned publications between the 1950s and 1970s.[78]
In 1987, Fahrenheit 451 was given "third tier" status by the Bay County School Board in Panama City, Florida, under then-superintendent Leonard Hall's new three-tier classification system. Third tier was meant for books to be removed from the classroom for "a lot of vulgarity." After a resident class-action lawsuit, a media stir, and student protests, the school board abandoned their tier-based censorship system and approved all the currently used books.[79]
In 1992, Venado Middle School in Irvine, California, gave copies of Fahrenheit 451 to students with all "obscene" words blacked out.[80] Parents contacted the local media and succeeded in reinstalling the uncensored copies.[80]
In 2006, parents of a 10th-grade high school student in Montgomery County, Texas, demanded the book be banned from their daughter's English class reading list.[81] Their daughter was assigned the book during Banned Books Week, but stopped reading several pages in due to what she considered the offensive language and description of the burning of the Bible. In addition, the parents protested the violence, portrayal of Christians, and depictions of firemen in the novel.[81]
@TheJGG Do you want folk to guess or are you actually worried about typing it?
I'd say The Satanic Verses? I've listened to a few podcasts about it and I was tempted to read and ask a few Muslim friends about the various blasphemies but all the Muslims I know drink, eat pork, have tattoos etc so I don't think they would even know.
@Rambler It probably works better with how I normally use it when I apologize for being condescending only to then mansplain the word. Mansplaining is when I have to explain things to people who know very little.
@jump It is a joke but at the same time there is an element of truth to what I mean. I don't think that if I mention The Satanic Verses I'd get abducted but you never know... but yeah, that's it!
@Rambler NOW I worry about my safety! Wouldn't want to choke to death on my own sick now...
The problem with The Satanic Verses is that it's false advertising. With a name like that you'd think it would be the story of a metal band writing songs about the devil and rockin out, I picture it being like Metalocalypse in novel format. Too bad Salman Rushdie was not into Slayer!
Currently, finished reading the ebook of the first Dune book. It's really amazing. 😀
having seen the movie, it was a bit sad that they couldn't do a 1-1 feel matching the books and all the rich context of the culture, but the movie was fine too overall, I'm waiting for the 2nd dune movie.
also, I'm wondering if there are any illustrated physical dune books worth purchasing. 🤔
@markmarkmark
There is a short story collection called Eye that covers most of Herbert's career up to that point, so has a lot of non-Dune stuff in it (mostly great). However the excellent Dune story in it is illustrated.
The collection also has a good introduction where he details how Star Wars ripped him off.
wait, star wars ripped off frank herbert? 😅
well this I must see, thanks for the recommendation, I'll go look that up, even if it's non-dune. 😋
well this I must see, thanks for the recommendation, I'll go look that up, even if it's non-dune. 😋
I know!! Who knew!! 😄
If you've not read his other stuff, it can be a bit of an eye-opener - he has a bit of a one-track mind. Whipping Star refers to that sort of whipping...
what whipping? 🤔 also, what do you mean by one track mind? 😅
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