@LinkSword Those three have their own tournaments during the event, and ARMS comes out the day after. Anything more than being part of a reel with the likes of Rayman or Dragon Ball is overkill, in my opinion.
I agree that it is overkill. That won't stop them from doing it, though.
Why announce Pokken a week before then? Plus it's an old game that we've played before. Plus Arms and Splatoon already have had lots of press, plus the invitational tourneys. I can't see more than a mention for them.
Isn't it obvious that Falco Lombardi is actually a parrot?
Why announce Pokken week before? Because they have the tournament and because if it had been announced in the Spotlight video people would have been disappointed. Now they are disappointed / indecisive / positive about it as it is just a new game and not part of one of the biggest showcases in the industry.
Now they can justify couple of minutes of the new fighters etc. in the spotlight video because it's a game coming out this year and that is what they have said to focus on.
@MarcelRguez Honestly I think it was revealed outside the main event because we would've got the announcements before E3 anyway due to Corocoro leaks and so an official announcement a week before E3 is better than leaks a few days before E3.
We may very well get a disapointing E3 but lets not make that influence our perception of the Switch as a whole. If all they show at E3 is extended gameplay of Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2, Arms, Zelda DLC and Xenoblade 2 with release dates shown, thats means we are still getting some very exciting games coming in 2017!
However there has never been an E3 by Nintendo without at least one surprise so it would be silly to think we wont get one. My bets on Retros game showing up, whatever that may be.
Thinking that Nintendo doesn't play by anyones expectations is just wrong.
Of course they think about expectations and the market and the consumers etc. They have their own way of doing things but to think that they plan without thinking about the consequences, marketing etc. is just silly.
@Timppis How woukd showing Mario Odyssey, Arms, Splatoon 2, Zelda dlc and Xenoblade 2 with release dates, with a likely surprise in the form of Retro studios new game be horrible? I dont understand your logic dude. Thats some glass half empty shizz right there!
We may very well get a disapointing E3 but lets not make that influence our perception of the Switch as a whole. If all they show at E3 is extended gameplay of Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2, Arms, Zelda DLC and Xenoblade 2 with release dates shown, thats means we are still getting some very exciting games coming in 2017!
I agree. Regardless of what I expect from this E3, as far as I'm concerned the lineup for 2017 and even the upcoming year is really promising already. Any surprises would be sugar on top, although then again I don't expect any that'd blow me away.
I meant that I agree that E3 shouldn't determine our view on the Switch and the games that we are going to get.
Having ARMS and Splatoon 2 that we have already had a dedicated Direct of taking a bulk of what still is the most influential stage on the industry is not good.
There is no reason to think that we would see what Retro is working on. Why should we? Because we haven't in a long time? How come that is a reasoning on this?
As I said before I am not pessimist or half glass empty kinda guy. I simply assess what I see. All signs point to lackluster E3 that will create negativity towards Switch and Nintendo will then need to work harded to make it a success, which it has a great potential for.
You are right that your average mom or dad who buys Switch and games for the offspring won't watch E3 but the media most certainly does as do the retailers. And if there is no hype for Switch (or there is lack of actual units for a long period of time) then there will be smaller portions dedicated to Nintendo in their magazines and their shops.
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Again, I disagree with you. And what media? The mainstream NBCs, CNNs and CBSs? They might do a "cute" little news story about "the gamers" but that'll be it. And again, retailers don't make decisions based on hype. They make them based on previous sales and sales projections. They don't look at leaks or other things and think to themselves "Oh, cool, a new Metroid game? That'll sell millions of Switches." I cannot stand this whole "hype" argument. Hype is fluff when you don't really have anything to deliver. Again, look at Sony's conferences the past few years. "Oh boy, they're so HYPE!!!!!!!" but half of the things they announce don't even release until years later. Stop getting hyped, people. It's fine to get excited, but hype just leads to the snowball effect; it gets bigger and bigger until it gets out of control.
@Timppis Most business investors don't buy on hype. The see projected profits, get in while the price is low and sell high for maximum profits. These people are mostly suits who could care less about gaming. They see dollar signs from increased sales. That's why they buy.
I will bake a cake (delicious) that will say that I was a massive jackass and I humbly apologize to all if Xeno 2 is released this year. This I promise.
No. I won't believe them about this particular game because of the franchises history and Nintendos (good) policy of polishing their main line games instead of releasing them as scheduled.
It's rare to find someone debating like this on the internet that is willing to apologize if proven wrong. It's refreshing to see, good on you! It also makes the debate more interesting
As for Xenoblade, yeah that's what Miguel assumed you were basing it on as well. Given the history that's a fair reason, but it doesn't appear to apply in this instance. XC1 was an experiment they didn't even intend to localize outside Japan until NoE cambered for it and said they'd pay 100% for localization. NoA did the whole back channel GameStop Exclusive deal. It was a mess of a game Nintendo thought had no Western appeal. The problem with XCX is it was announced WAAAAY too early because they didn't understand WiiU development (at all) at the time, which ultimately was 1/3 of what went wrong with WiiU overall. They had NOTHING to show. Most of it was a pre-rendered trailer. They basically did a Sony-style announce of "some game for the future" without even having a working HD engine for it. XC2 they're giving it the AAA treatment, used it as a major launch trailer for a new console launch, and showed us a running game back in January. That left almost another YEAR for development to make the 2017 release, and that's with Nintendo actually spending proper budget on it as a major title rather than treating it as a localization of a Japan game. Regardless of what happens, XC2 is getting a whole different treatment than the prior two did, so the situation isn't comparable.
"And if there is no hype for Switch (or there is lack of actual units for a long period of time) then there will be smaller portions dedicated to Nintendo in their magazines and their shops."
If there's no hype, yes. If there's no actual units, there's clearly hype. A successful product that flys off shelves the moment it arrives is precisely the product that will be covered in magazines and shops. Everyone wants to sell/write about a fast selling popular product....the "Cabbage Patch Doll" of the modern age that forms lines outside the store at opening, and generates constant phone calls and drop in visits to stores. Nobody wants to write about or promote in store products that sit on store shelves. Right now the situation is the latter. The press and retail industry LOVE products so popular you can't get them without persistence.
@KryptoKrunch The funny thing is the E3 that's most praised by Nintendo fans is the one that they pulled a Sony and announced a reel full of games that were years away. And everyone wants such an "Awesome" E3 from them again and is disappointed when they don't get it. That includes the Sony style reveal of XCX that was barely even into development when they announced it. And Tokyo Mirage where they hadn't even figured out what genre of game it was going to BE! They still thought it was going to be an SRPG at that point!
E3 fans are a weird bunch. Don't tell me about games I WILL get in the next 8 months. Tell me about games I MIGHT get in the next 8 years!
@Timppis I suppose there's definitely an audience that likes that....but that's also the thing that leads to most of the disappointment. XCX, BotW, Tokyo Mirage had no place being revealed in 2014, they weren't close to ready, and all the grumbling from fans for so long was because even though everyone wanted to hear about games early, the next year they were upset to hear about the previous year's games. That's the tradeoff to hearing about them early. Same for Square with HK3 and FFVII:2. And Sony with....well pretty much everything. MS hyped Scalebound years in advance, and it was all wasted hype, the game was cancelled.
Nothing wrong with enjoying it if you enjoy it, though. People just need to keep expectations in check when they're viewing things years out in advance: In a few years, if it exists at all, you'll see it presented again as the new thing.
@NEStalgia 2013, not 2014. XCX, SMTxFE (this became TMS#FE), Yoshi's Woolly World and a tease about their plans for BotW were in the infamous January 2013 Direct.
I was thinking about the "ever so awesome and epic and amazing E3 2014 that everyone likes to go on and on about that was a bunch of hollow reveals of these games.
But you're right, we'd seen them before at that direct. That's even worse. Months after the WiiU launched, and we didn't get the last of those games until the last 6 months of the console.
(Still better than Last Guardian though.....a console debut game that finally came out mid-way through the NEXT console.... )
@NEStalgia I loved E3 2014. And I don't think they showed off too many games that were too far off. The only ones that didn't come within a year were Xenoblade X and Zelda. Splatoon came out the next May, Hyrule Warriors in September. ORAS that winter. Smash that fall and winter. I don't mind seeing one or two games that are somewhat far off. I hope they do that this year. Sony's problem is they show off games like Death Standing that doesn't even have anything to play yet, and that's typically all they show.
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