Topic: Coronavirus outbreak

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@ThanosReXXX @Heavyarms55 @Maxz I will admit I was frustrated when I wrote that initial comment. Now looking back at it, It came out very brutish and stupid, and I apologize.

@Zeldafan79 I don't want to be rude, but maybe you should take time to think twice about the stuff you write. For example, what about the people that have works to do that are necessary to society during this crisis and have no other choice but to be exposed? Many of them have to attend lots of people. There are other cases too, like the people who are about to lose a business and are torn between following instructions or searching how to keep their work alive to provide the basic items for their families and I know all that stuff is up to debate (and I'm not trying to begin one) but I think that you get the point. Either way, you win nothing by saying that kind of stuff and it certainly looks weak from your part. Honestly, this isn't the time to talk about "natural selection" and you should consider that many different users facing many different circumstances can read this stuff.

@MortalKombat2007 Stay safe mate.

@ogo79 Glad you approve. So, what did I win?

@MsJubilee No need to apologize, far as I'm concerned. There's tons of stuff that I'd like to do as well, and we're all going stir crazy, what with all these restrictions, so it's understandable that people get grumpy or speak their minds from time to time. Long as we don't actually DO all these things that we'd like to, it'll be fine.

@MsJubilee I appreciate your saying that and your understanding.

In their general (but not specific) defense, California really doesn't seem to have that big a problem with the virus. Their per capita death rate is absolutely tiny, which is especially noteworthy when you consider the fact that they're home to one of the most influential international cities, with very high population density.

There are definitely some huge missing pieces to the puzzle. It might just be a climate issue. Maybe the virus just doesn't spread very much in the California temperature. In which case, the lockdown is largely unnecessary.
(obviously those dummies don't actually know any of that though. If they're right, it's completely by accident)

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Although it probably isn't surprising, Prime Minister Abe and the people who organize the Olympics agree that it is very unlikely that we will see the Olympics next year either. Furthermore restrictions in Japan are being pushed out another month. Personally I'll be "working" from home for most of the month, coming in once a week as part of a "skeleton crew" preparing homework and stuff to send home to the kids.

In other news, it appears that the strain of COVID-19 in Japan is more closely related, genetically, to the one found in Europe, rather than the initial strain from China. Japanese experts think that the current spread in Japan can be traced to European tourists, rather than the original Chinese origins because Japan shut down travel with China pretty early but waited longer to shut down travel with Europe. At this point Japan is not allowing almost anyone in. (In fact I got warned that if I left for any reason, I could kiss my residency goodbye) http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13336912

Even though the numbers here aren't terribly high experts are still warning that the spread resembles the rates seen in Europe as well and warning that in the Japanese government doesn't extend and even increase restrictions, those numbers are going to start shooting up.

So far Japan has only had limited shutdowns and restrictions. Partly because the Japanese national government doesn't actually have the authority to order it unless under very specific circumstances. There's even talk of amending the constitution to give the government the power to do so now and in possible future crises.

On another note, I have lost faith in the effectiveness of shutdowns and social distancing. Largely because I no longer believe enough people are following the rules. From both what I have seen and what I have read, large numbers of people just are not cooperating with the rules. Here and in the US. Not sure about Europe because I haven't followed it as closely. And with large parts of the population just ignoring the rules, that seems as though the virus is just going to keep spreading and getting worse.

@ThanosReXXX @Dezzy You know that's a small percentage of California's that are against lockdowns just like everywhere else. And just like the Media they take that small percentage of people and make it out like the whole state.

I live in California and where I am at there are no protests or people refusing.

You want to point at the states look at the dumbasses in Florida and South Carolina running to beaches and such. California is nothing like that.

@Tasuki Yeah, but it's the small groups that tend to be the loudest. And the media never talks about people following the rules or areas or issues were things are going as expected. They report on things that break the norm or are problems. It's that way for everything. You only hear about things that are bad, really bad, nightmarish or things that are really, mind blowingly, good. little to nothing in between.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/27/california-be...

I believe Korea just reported our first day with no new cases. While that’s obviously great news, I am a little worried that people are starting to get too lax. All it takes is one person, then it can blow back up again.

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Where do I get one?

@Tasuki It's always relatively small groups, but if you look at the video, it's still quite a crowd of people, and each and every idiot is one idiot too many, so as a Californian myself, I definitely feel ashamed to be coming from that same state, even though I'm living in Europe now. There's no such protests or large gathering of idiots in most countries over here, by the way. You only see it in America, and some countries in the Middle East, but other than that, people just keep their mouths shut and do as they're told. As they should.

And the most annoying and dangerous part of it all is that it only takes a handful of these idiots, to infect potentially hundreds of others, so in that respect too, it doesn't really matter that it's only a small group.

@ogo79 Ah, a vegan peanut butter jelly dog. People are certainly getting creative in these annoying times...

@ThanosReXXX

But California doesn't have a very big problem with it.

I'm not claiming to know the answer, but I don't think we can know for sure that a full-on shutdown in places like that is definitely the right response.

That may be doing a lot more harm than good.

@Dezzy Regardless, that doesn't excuse idiots to carry on as if nothing is going on in the rest of the States, or more specifically: the surrounding states. With their irresponsible behavior, they could still serve as carriers to areas where people ARE more susceptible to the virus.

The rules are there to PREVENT people from getting it, not to inhibit/restrict people that already have it.

@ThanosReXXX

There's no limiting principle to this though. The logic of what you're saying essentially goes all the way to justifying shutting down the entire world until there's a vaccine.

That would be a cure that's worse than the disease, in terms of the poverty and suffering that would be caused by the economic crash.

@Dezzy No, you're not getting me. My point is that these people are the extreme opposite of what is necessary. I'm not in favor of complete lock-downs at all. I live in the Netherlands nowadays, and over here, there's no mandatory face masks, and no complete lock-down either. Just social distancing and doing other things keeping other people in mind, such as limiting visits to people and places that you may need to go to, like super markets, and so on, and all of that works just fine.

The death toll is lowering, as are new patients on the ICU, the numbers of which are going down with every new day. So, it CAN actually work, but for it to work, ALL people need to abide by these rules, whether they're in a less vulnerable area or not.

@ThanosReXXX

On quite a few of those beach examples, people probably are social distancing though. I assume the groups are just people who live in the same household, and therefore don't need to distance from one another anyway.

Are you just saying they shouldn't go to a beach at all?